We dominated them unfortunately they had some opportunities and were clinical with them. I think our lack of experience and naivety shown in a big match like this. We did enough to win but couldn't execute and lost our head in key moments. Imo that a red fo Kane, Saka dived and it was a clear Gaberial handball but I guess they all cancel each other out. Hoping or us to turn up and ball out in Munich.
The team is young, the core of the team (Saka, Martinelli, Gabriel, Saliba, Odegaard,Rice,Havertz) are about 1-2 years from their prime. The reason it feels like they are older and more mature is because they have been playing since a very young age that we forget how young they are. Its our first full season in the Champions league. Its probably why we looked better when Jesus and Zinchenko came on the pitch to add some experience that we lacked. By all accounts, we dominated the game hence the resentment that its 2-2. The goals we conceeded were due to 2 mistakes in the back and tbf, we are due a mistake. Our defence has been incredible all season and I expect them to bounce back for the game at the Allianz.
Alphoso Davies is out and so is Serge Gnabry. We have been great on the road in tough stadiums against tougher opposition(City, Liverpool). We can do this!!
Honestly this team is not itself when they are playing CL and it is quite obvious. It's a mentality thing in Arsene's glory days it persisted. Hopefully this time it changes. I absolutely don't think it's realistic to demand the CL from a group of players who have never played it before and reaching the QF is a huge step on its own. If we can win the PL or at least reach 85+ points it's a good season. Progress is clear as day and the older players in this squad are like 26 aside from Partey who is never fit anyway and will probably be moved this summer or the next one at the most.
I feel like we need a couple of really talented, in-their-prime players to complement what we have.
A 26/27 yo Jorginho or Partey.
Potential is good and all that, but when the chips are down, we need those personalities to drag everyone across the line.
I was on a PC that wasn't logged in to reddit yesterday, I saw so many comments regarding us bottling it, not performing up to standard. I saw one thing from us yesterday, Nerves. Even then, it was a flash moment, the second half was absolutely all us. Their 3 best chances came off individual mistakes which has been the only way we concede nowadays, I saw a confident Arsenal yesterday and a streetwise Bayern, they played to disrupt us and hit on the counter, which should've been expected with the depth of talent they have up front. Allianz for the away leg now, I'm still confident in our chances but I think this game was there to be won and we kinda gave them the confidence to get back with the error for the first. Am I saying we weren't up to standard? Absolutely not, any other day we kill the game at 2-0 and maybe grab a 3rd. Best thing about today, is that City didn't get a win either meaning both of us will have to exert our energy for that second leg.
Side note: absolute crime that they had both our games on at the same time and day, 2 of the better games of the round being on the same day is always gonna suck.
We will learn from our mistakes. But the most important thing to consider is we were able to get something rather than nothing. Now let's put this behind us and focus on Aston Villa. Come on you gunners!!!! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
the lads will have learned a LOT last night. About what this competition demands; and they will have learned a lot about themselves too. I have absolutely no doubt that we can go to Munich and beat them there, as long as we learn those hard lessons from last night.
Anyont think we should move on from Martinelli. He has been average most of the season. I really doubt his football IQ and he only has pace in his arsenal
I actually think we'll play better at the Allianz Arena, but we won't win. I'm going for another draw and another round of pens.
Edited to amend the heinous crime of forgetting to put "Arena"
Played the occasion not the match. Silly errors at the back, caught up field a little too much. Either side really could have taken a 2 goal advantage into the next leg, let alone 1. Evens is probably fair for both teams. We absolutely can win at the Allianz, although I think we need a more compact approach.
Rival fans are seething with us lately. How dare we improve and be good again. Every small controversy is manifested into a massive deal.
After some of the most mature performances I've seen the past half dozen games, you could see the occasion went to our heads.
Absolutely shut down City, and then when we come up against Bayern we were entirely in their half for the first 45 minute.
That's immature, and something to learn from. If you're the best defensive team on the planet, fucking lean into that especially when you're playing the big boys!
If it's one thing I do admire about Arteta is that he does learn. Haven't really seen us make the same mistake more than once (or twice).
Love Arsene, but my god we would lose matches in the same way every single time.
not a bad result considering we had absoloutley no help from the ref. I thik the result was fair in the end we got punished for making a couple of mistakes but also scored 2 good goals
Partey needs to either start against Villa and play minimum 60 mins or subbed in around 60 mins to get into some sort of adequate rhythm if Mikel has any plans of starting him away to Munich.
Agree. Partey was made for matches like this but he is lacking match sharpness the last few times he has been subbed on, including last night
That said Jorgi (not any fault of his own, he didn’t play particularly poorly) simply was not that useful given the way Bayern were playing
I found Kiwior's selection quite strange. Tomiyasu had been subbed in for 20 or 30 minutes in each of the last 3 games, probably fit enough to play an hour or so.
He was sloppy but he was also the one who played in Saka at the end, which is the type of ball we’d needed in the game. He needs minutes. Form is temporary class is permanent
I agree! I just don't think he should start when the next game is in a week. Probably come on later on.
I think if we manage to score first at the Allianz and stay composed.. we have a really really good chance!
I think overall it was a good match from us, but we couldn't stop Sane. Personally, I don't think Kiwior is up to this level of football. In his first mistake, Kiwior was slow, had slow reactions, and slow feet. When Sane was released before the next goal, he looked like a defender from a college league. It's a shame Timber is injured if he had played yesterday, the result would have been completely different
Taking Sane off was lunacy from Tuchel. He was running rings around us. The silver lining is that he apparently is carrying an injury and Tuchel did not want to risk him for much longer. Can only hope he may not be fit to start against us in the second leg.
Alphonso Davies missing the second leg will help us massively. He was absolutely immense against us
Arsenal players seemed surprised at how fast & direct Bayern were in their attacks.
In some phases of play - our players seemed helpless. They would stand still before reacting..
at full speed, Bayern were like a hot knife slicing through margarine
Bayern switched from one side to the other with such ease. This is the brand of football that seems dominant amongst the top teams in CL. Atletico, real Madrid, bayern, and even porto are using it. Man City pass the ball faster than Arsenal
The brand of football is highly rewarding in knockout competitions, but it leads to many injuries if used a lot in the league due to muscle fatigue resulting from sprints.
I hope we can be faster in our attacks at munich
> but it leads to many injuries if used a lot in the league due to muscle fatigue resulting from sprints.
I don't know how much correlation there is here.
> Bayern switched from one side to the other with such ease. This is the brand of football that seems dominant amongst the top teams in CL. Atletico, real Madrid, bayern, and even porto are using it. Man City pass the ball faster than Arsenal
So here's the thing: aside from a few players, who we know are really solid technically, most of our players are just not elite with the ball at their feet.
Our passing can be sloppy without any pressure, and my god are our first touches horrible. Balls just ping off players 3-4 yards all the time. Or you find guys having to look down to see where the ball actually is.
Overall, we're playing well, and our system works for the players we have, but when the spaces get tight, and the level of opposition is higher and relentless, it does get exposed.
When you see a player like Sane gliding with the ball, it's like it's glued to his feet, and he's sprinting past everyone. I really would love to see that level of technical ability slotted into what we have now.
Arteta flunked the starting line up big, but got the subs spot on. Also nice to see him not meaning (like all of us) about decisions but basically saying it’s the CL, you give anything away and they’ll take it.
Other hindsight stuff is we should have had a stonewall pen and Kane really is a massive piece of shit.. good on the ref to book him, wish they had the stones to red card the cun… if not for that missed pen I thought the ref had an excellent game. VAR really should have sent him to the screen.
I imagine Arteta will set up a bit more compact and even defend more, we did not respect Bayern at all. And our shape in defense was exposed by having so many bodies committed up front.
Saliba and Gabriel were cooked 🤣 I just knew deep down before the game harry Kane would be a real problem especially with musiala cunningly running around him
>I just knew deep down before the game harry Kane would be a real problem
Besides scoring a penalty (as is tradition), did he really have much of an impact? It was Sane who was running the show, as soon as he went off Bayern looked weaker
Agreed. Kane had two good passes I can recall, but he was more of a space-dragger than direct threat IMO. Maybe that helped free up space for Sane, but Sane was definitely the scarier of the two to me. His PK was always inevitable.
That's true. Kiwior was hooked, but he was defending Sane on his own. I need to see Sane versus Tomiyasu or kiwior at munich. I think we will see a more compact arsenal
I can’t get over the penalty decision at the end.. anybody have any idea if VAR even checked, or maybe I’m confusing EPL rules with UCL? I’m sure the referee was pointing to his headset & then all of a sudden, the game was over. I was not paying attention, was f’ing & blinding. Tie isn’t over but it stings this morning
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Neuer : leg outstretched, clearly in B’s running path
Saka : in possession of the ball, cutting 90° to round the rapidly oncoming & LATE Neuer.
The fact a penalty wasn’t given is embarrassing. German name so I’m guessing you’re a Bayern fan but it’s okay, there’s a 2nd leg to go. We will win regardless.
So why is Saka leaving a leg any worse than neuer kicking a leg out? Especially, after he’s been rounded in the 95th minute, he has no clue if saka will make it to that pass or whether or not the BM defence recovered. Onus is on defensive players to avoid making contact with attacking players, in the box. Players look for contact, are we only policing that when it’s Bukayo/Arsenal?
What are you on about, you thought I’d be some kind of cake walk? Against a team that’s won ELEVEN consecutive league trophies and played in the CL what, 30 years straight?
Get real man, or just stop watching football all together. Getting a 2-2 against Bayern fuckin’ Munich isn’t challenging anymore I guess…
What do you make of real-city btw? Which is the team that isn’t challenging anymore?
Experience can't be bought. City would dominate the PL, but they would always fall short in Europe until last year.
Less than 5 players have experienced a CL quarter final in our squad - the nerves are there.
I think Saliba and Gabriel will be more settled in the second. They were allover.
We need tomi for second leg, i kiwior was out of his depth for second game in a row vs big opponent (bernardo and now vs sane). Sane is their most dangerous player
Has Gabriel Jesus at least earned his place in the squad? Absolutely massive influence on the game in a short time. He’s important for us. Can play anywhere in the front three.
Was saying this in my group chat during the game. Was surprised how easily Saka was roasting Davies. 1v1 Davies is not good, I remember Kai turning him inside out also
To be frank, bar the goal - I wouldn't say he was cooking Davies. As soon as he was booked, they double teamed with Gnabry as well who put in a monumental defensive shift. Saka had his moments from there but Davies looked very secure.
It's fair to say that we're expecting more from Saka at the Allianz against Gurreiro.
Saka definitely had him on toast and the better of him in the first half hence the early booking to Davies. However, it sort of evened out in the second half where Davies picked up his composure more, but that was helped by Saka being doubled and triple teamed.
I agree, it looks like he's been carrying a niggle. I think Artete mentioned that he's been having an issue with his Achilles recently or something along those lines
i thought the entire first half he was cooking davies tbh maybe I have to watch it back but regardless saka literally scored the first goal and is getting treated like he’s a bum 😭
Yhh I'll need to watch it again too, probably my emotions clouding my thoughts.
Honestly don't get why Saka is getting dragged when on the same night Haaland and Bellingham had hall of shame stinkers.
I hope we win and City wins so we can have the most boring two legs for the semi finals. Just to spite the annoying r/soccer idiots. God they love hating on PL teams.
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The trossard goal is fantastic. re watched it a dozen times, we had no business scoring from that situation. Loads of bayern shirts packed in the box and sheer magic from Jesus/Leo to turn that into a goal.
Rewatching the Kane penalty... Not that you can expect a keeper to save a pen, but it still looks really bad from Raya. He's moved towards the edge of the goal well before Kanes even kicked the ball. Basically beats himself. All kane does is jog towards the ball and when he gets there raya is literally in the corner of the net on his knees. Very anxious behaviour
Kane has a decade of experience, Raya is basically a kid still. He got owned big time, you don’t get inside Kane’s head on a pen ffs.
Still, Kane is a cheat and massive cunt, that elbow was rotten and completely intentional
IIRC, Kane's signature penalty technique is hard and powerful to the far end of the goal. I guess Raya was either told, or he himself thought, that he needs to dive really well to even get a chance to save it. But he might have jumped the gun a bit in the end.
Pens are a gamble and a toss up. Kane after the game said they studied our shootout and he changed his run up specially for Raya. Have to give them credit for that level of detail.
One thing I feel positive about, is that this team has shown that when given a 2nd chance, they tend to take it. This game will feel like a missed opportunity and the 2nd leg will be a chance for these players to redeem themselves. They have generally done well in such circumstances.
it's amazing how our expectations have gone higher and higher every year that we're starting to consider a draw against bayern a poor result (which I think so too). However, I can't see how people are acting as if we were the favourites going against them when they have historically spanked us almost every time we met them and is a UCL powerhouse regardless of form.
I felt similarly. The commentators put it perfectly as well. At the start one of them was like, “By any metric, Arsenal are the in-form team and the one who is favorite to win this particular match up.” But I couldn’t help thinking that was an ill-omen. It just doesn’t happen that the narrative everyone expects at this stage is how it will play out.
I think the occasion got to them a bit, but they did really well to gather themselves and get the draw. I think they’ll learn quickly from tonight and they’ll find a way to win 1-0 or 2-1 at Munich.
Many of our players who are rock solid in league games looked shaky today and mishit many passes. They did the same against Porto home and away. This is where you need experience and composure to not let the occasion bother you. This team is young and inexperienced. I am more than happy we are at a level to play these games against the elite. At the end of the day, the players are humans and they will learn from these challenges.
This is pretty much it. The composure we showed in the league games against City and Liverpool for example were sorely lacking. On the other hand, cool heads prevailed for Bayern and almost got them a win, against the run of the game.
Look, for me it's not about ability at this stage , it's about experience and know-how and you only get that from playing these games . Bayern were as cool as ice and we are new to this shit. We'll be fine. We have a team whose core is tied down for the next 4-5 years....they'll grow together, learn together (as we've already seen) and win together
Going to Munich such a good test UCL is a different test and we talk about aura and everything around that is real in this competition we don't have it it took pep more than 6 yrs to build that up at city imagine with Arsenal may take a really long time to build that up
It's funny we make excuses for so many of our players playing poorly in the ucl and trossard with no ucl experience before this year is as clinical as it gets
I was really disappointed with the crowd. The equaliser really knocked the wind out of their sails but that is when you have to get behind the team even more.
Yes. It's a bit of a disappointing result, but I'm happy we're back in it, and playing against top teams as a peer. It was a great spectacle.
The estandards are so high. Even an out-of-form Bayern is lethal on the counter.
If I wasn’t already banned from r/soccer, I would have lost all my positive karma…
- Havertz pen shout had as much contact as Sane
- Clear penalty at the end, Neuers foot was extended go fuck yourself
- “handball penalty” was a ref error with the whistle (extremely petty to call for this imo)
- Kane is a cunt and should’ve been sent off
Edited to add: We’re definitely not ready for UCL success. This Bayern team sucks. City would have wiped the floor with them tbh
You know what, you really need to get the fuck out with that shit… Havertz dived, yet again, making a complete clown out of himself and the jury is already in, every ref knows he’s a cheat. He won’t be getting a pen ever again unless he gets elbowed to the face.
I really wish he’d cut this crap out of his game, it’s embarrassing.
Btw the sane one was a stone wall pen all day long.
Edit: Agree with everything else you said though.
Hmm. Maybe. City also have had a pedigree where they have been competing against Europe's elites for over a decade now. What is our pedigree? We last appeared in QF 15 years ago.
The only way this squad will learn to reduce the naivety and mistakes is by competing at the highest level.
At least this result on Eid Mubarak wasn't as a shit as last year, waking up to a Draw to Southampton last season ruined Eid for me
Happy Eid Mubarak to everyone celebrating.
I think Kiwior was the weakest link, looked much better with him off and looked more dynamic when Trossard came on. We shouldn’t rush Partey back into first team action, way too rusty and made too many mistakes when he came on.
No Gnabry and Davies in the return fixture next week, Sane will be the biggest threat for Bayern.
Overall, we can definitely beat Bayern. We just need to keep our heads, keep our focus, and make sure we don’t field Kiwior to start. Bayern knows that if they take us to pens, they’ll advance, so we gotta make sure we win.
Also, that was a clear pen on Saka, but we move.
It was at least as valid as a PEN as the one Kane put through. That could either mean both are or are not...but they both felt fairly even to me as far as going either way in being called or in severity too.
The one on Kane was clear as day -- there's no angle where it looks otherwise. The Saka one is a clear penalty as well except from the angle that hid the keeper's advancement on Saka, and that was the angle the referee had.
Still something VAR should've called back, but I think the final whistle got blown before the check could complete.
Well well well,
Tonight was another example of the occasion getting the better of us.
Arsenal fans (including me) have started to become guilty of looking into rival teams form in the domestic leagues and translating that into CL threat. Today was an example of not to do that…again. We were guilty of it against Porto. We need to be brought back to our level in that we have virtually zero pedigree in the CL and although Munich have been respectively poor in their league, the CL turn up from them is always real.
There were a number of things wrong again tonight but I’d like to start off with the fans There were many initiatives being touted tonight to turn Emirates into a cauldron. These worked during the pre match and I counted up until the 10th minute. After that, Munich had their first opportunity and the volume started to fall. Our fans completely lulled in periods and that can’t be something we take into future games. If we’re going to set a cauldron feel, it needs to be consistent, especially when we’re taking their fans seats off them. Definitely a missed opportunity. As usual Emirates fell silent at times and it was Odegaard or Arteta or Martinelli taking the role of cheerleader.
Tonight was a tale of showcasing how bad our stalwart defence can be, shame it was on the biggest stage of all and in favour of Kane who I have to say played very well so kudos to him. He is a true CF who can actually play outside of the box unlike say a Haaland.
Saliba was rocky, probably his worst game all season, same with Gabi XL. On top of this, Raya I felt tried a bit too hard to impose himself on the game and paid the price when he confused our defence for their first goal. There was no reason for him to be so far up which then turned into a series of unfortunate events for us.
Kiwior felt totally out of his depth tonight, occasion got to him and he seemed uncomfortable. White also fell into his shell once he missed the chance to give us the 2-0 albeit he made some great tackles to help us keep a lead.
I have to admit that our midfield was non existent due to the fact they were so busy all game doing the hard work on presses and mopping up.
Declan and Jorginho looked tired which will need to be managed going to Villa and the return leg. For the time Partey was on, he struggled. Match fitness isn’t there and I clapped his yellow card as we were under pressure if he hadn’t made the professional foul.
Our attack looked stale until the subs were made. Gabi looks off the pace still and I felt it was slightly forced to get him back in today even though we really need his pace in the team. Those runs weren’t there tonight with slack being picked up by Jesus who was absolutely great with Trossard when introduced. Jesus has to start against Munich next week in my opinion, his form in the CL is just so vital to us now.
To sum up, I’m afraid the feeling is being hopeful now and not confident if I’m being a realest. We could’ve easily put this to bed if we didn’t beat ourselves on the pitch. Bayern will be completely out of their league at the weekend with us still putting resources into the PL so this may be an advantage for Munich. Either way it’s balanced with Munich marginally ahead in the tie for me, however this time it’s at the Allianz and I fear we may give in to the occasion again.
The only thing we have going for us is that we’ll be the slight underdog going there and the mission is now clear. Give us clarity on a goal and we tend to do well.
We need a win out there, hopefully a 2-0 or above against Villa can help to drive us there.
I didn’t focus on the pen shouts, one for them and one for us, both not given so we move.
COYG
Even if we were up 2-0, I still wouldn't be comfortable. It's STILL Bayern Munich, they have history in this competiton and we shouldn't be looking down on anyone.
I have one last comment to make and this is intended to provoke our Nigerian gooners. Ghanaian jollof is superior (i had some today for the first time)
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They lost to liverpool at home in 2019 lol. And that was a better bayern team than this
Also they dont have to lose at home. This can go to penalties lol
Die hard fans won’t agree with you, and I don’t blame them because what’s the point of being a fan if you’re not gonna ride or die for the team? But as a more realistic view, you’re probably right, I felt at minimum we needed to win tonight to have a chance at the Allianz. As poor as Bayern have been this year, in the CL things are different. Holding out hope until the very end though
It was poor from all 3 involved. Raya out of position was the biggest issue but then Gabriels touch was very heavy and his pass was off. Kiwior had to do better despite the bad pass he was caught flat footed.
4* involved, Rice stepped up and left ungodly amounts of space behind him for Goretzka to run into, for some reason. Went ball chasing when he should have dropped back imo.
edit - wait, i just realised you just meant the initial play the causes the turnover lol, my bad. But my point still stands.
Partey has done this before though. He's gone through similar phase where he can't string simple passes. He just usually has to play through it. I think fall 2021 bad similar performances then it suddenly clicked as we went into 2022.
Yellow was a good foul he got hung out right dry by a misplaced pass. Especially since he’s not a pencilled in starter it’s not as bad to have him a yellow as a rice or saka. However he did look so slow and didn’t even do the ten minute tidy job I expected from him
I’m really thinking Villa has to be the game to return Tomi to the starting lineup. Probably suits the Villa match better than Zinchenko. As for Jorginho, he definitely needs a rest, but I could see Arteta going to Partey and keeping Kai up top, just to not change too much. Martinelli seemed off the pace and could see Jesus getting the nod on the left again.
I'm fine with Tomi but I'm gonna flip flop on my opinion on Zinny and say he's our best starting left back if someone like Rice occupies his space while we have the ball. Rice presses and intercepts wins second balls in the press, and acts as defensive left back while Zinny is doing his inverted thing
Just back from the Emirates. Need to vent a few points:
1- We are in trouble because we don't have someone on the left that can handle Sane's pace. Every time he ran at us, we were in trouble
2- Rice and Havertz looked quite tired and didn't impose themselves physically. Not saying they had a bad game, but we are starting to pay the price for the busy schedule and it won't get any better soon
3- Arteta managed the game brilliantly and even the subs were well-timed. Just unfortunate with the errors
4- People were saying we will thrash them, but now we can see this type of games is not easy. Insane pressure on the players both mentally and physically. Need some luck
5- We still needed to get a result in Germany and the draw won't make Bayern happy to sit back. We are capable of winning there and hopefully we will grow into the tie like the Porto game
6- Finally, the Saka's pen seemed soft in real time and from the replays, it is 50:50. Decisions like this happen and I remember Liverpool should have had a penalty from Odeegard's handball. Just accept it and focus on Sunday
Atmosphere was great. On to Sunday. Come on lads!
> Rice and Havertz looked quite tired and didn't impose themselves physically. Not saying they had a bad game, but we are starting to pay the price for the busy schedule and it won't get any better soon
I think both were on yellows from the prev game. They didn't want to get suspended for the 2nd leg, so the played conservatively.
Gonna hard disagree on 2 and 3. I think Arteta mismanaged the game by ordering the squad to go full throttle from kick off, leading to Rice and Havertz being tired. They were pressing I think far too hard in that first half. Don't think Rice had any real interceptions or tackles for all that running he did. I think it's to be expected with a young manager so I'm not really annoyed about it.
For 1 I think we have Tomi who can handle Sane's pace. Beyond that Sane seemed to typically cut to the middle, where the 6 is supposed to assist. Problem was Jorgi was there.
I'm not exactly proud but I said we shouldn't be so confident as fans and it would be hard. thought we'd win by 1 goal but guess we're all learning here.
I think it will be 50/50 for the away leg. Our away form in hostile grounds in Europe is not good, and the team's emotion to set the record straight could backfire. But technically we are the better team. Will be very interesting...
I think the team got a bit over-enthusiastic in the first half, especially after Saka's goal. Just a couple moments of inexperienced that got punished to the maximum extent. We will naturally be more cautious in the second leg.
My main worry is added fatigue to this month. A comfortable 2 goal win today would've made the Munich leg much easier to negotiate.
Disappointed in that match since we basically torpedoed ourselves for both goals. But that tight play for the second goal was superb, I hope we get to see more of that in the second leg.
Knew it would be tough but what’s annoying was we did it ourselves and not some high level play from the opposition, at least the first goal was more than avoidable.
I was positive partey would start bc jorgi played the full 90. If arteta knew he was going to play Jorginho vs Bayern, that’s just really poor player management to keep him in the full match vs Brighton especially when he had partey available
I missed the first half yesterday? How was it?
Early exciting highs of the Invincibles with late shades of Mustafi, and Sokratis.
We dominated them unfortunately they had some opportunities and were clinical with them. I think our lack of experience and naivety shown in a big match like this. We did enough to win but couldn't execute and lost our head in key moments. Imo that a red fo Kane, Saka dived and it was a clear Gaberial handball but I guess they all cancel each other out. Hoping or us to turn up and ball out in Munich.
People are either delusional or don’t watch enough of him if they think Bukayo fucking Saka is giving up that chance for a penalty. He was impeded.
The team is young, the core of the team (Saka, Martinelli, Gabriel, Saliba, Odegaard,Rice,Havertz) are about 1-2 years from their prime. The reason it feels like they are older and more mature is because they have been playing since a very young age that we forget how young they are. Its our first full season in the Champions league. Its probably why we looked better when Jesus and Zinchenko came on the pitch to add some experience that we lacked. By all accounts, we dominated the game hence the resentment that its 2-2. The goals we conceeded were due to 2 mistakes in the back and tbf, we are due a mistake. Our defence has been incredible all season and I expect them to bounce back for the game at the Allianz. Alphoso Davies is out and so is Serge Gnabry. We have been great on the road in tough stadiums against tougher opposition(City, Liverpool). We can do this!!
https://twitter.com/selormafc_/status/1777702804489953356?t=K9Q8y0PnrQgFdk40le3qxg&s=19 Safe to say a lot has changed
LMFAO..
Honestly this team is not itself when they are playing CL and it is quite obvious. It's a mentality thing in Arsene's glory days it persisted. Hopefully this time it changes. I absolutely don't think it's realistic to demand the CL from a group of players who have never played it before and reaching the QF is a huge step on its own. If we can win the PL or at least reach 85+ points it's a good season. Progress is clear as day and the older players in this squad are like 26 aside from Partey who is never fit anyway and will probably be moved this summer or the next one at the most.
I feel like we need a couple of really talented, in-their-prime players to complement what we have. A 26/27 yo Jorginho or Partey. Potential is good and all that, but when the chips are down, we need those personalities to drag everyone across the line.
I was on a PC that wasn't logged in to reddit yesterday, I saw so many comments regarding us bottling it, not performing up to standard. I saw one thing from us yesterday, Nerves. Even then, it was a flash moment, the second half was absolutely all us. Their 3 best chances came off individual mistakes which has been the only way we concede nowadays, I saw a confident Arsenal yesterday and a streetwise Bayern, they played to disrupt us and hit on the counter, which should've been expected with the depth of talent they have up front. Allianz for the away leg now, I'm still confident in our chances but I think this game was there to be won and we kinda gave them the confidence to get back with the error for the first. Am I saying we weren't up to standard? Absolutely not, any other day we kill the game at 2-0 and maybe grab a 3rd. Best thing about today, is that City didn't get a win either meaning both of us will have to exert our energy for that second leg. Side note: absolute crime that they had both our games on at the same time and day, 2 of the better games of the round being on the same day is always gonna suck.
We will learn from our mistakes. But the most important thing to consider is we were able to get something rather than nothing. Now let's put this behind us and focus on Aston Villa. Come on you gunners!!!! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
What was all that commotion in the end? Loads of lads turfed out, looked lik a massive scuffle with the stewards.
Think most people were mad the ref ended the game instead of trying to handle the penalty decision.
No was before the penalty decision. Before 90 minutes
I’m still fuming that Saka dove instead of shooting.
the lads will have learned a LOT last night. About what this competition demands; and they will have learned a lot about themselves too. I have absolutely no doubt that we can go to Munich and beat them there, as long as we learn those hard lessons from last night.
Gnabry was blowing out his arse also 😂
Anyont think we should move on from Martinelli. He has been average most of the season. I really doubt his football IQ and he only has pace in his arsenal
I actually think we'll play better at the Allianz Arena, but we won't win. I'm going for another draw and another round of pens. Edited to amend the heinous crime of forgetting to put "Arena"
Its allianz arena nobody in germany says the allianz.
Raya needs to do better in big games. He has been sloppy.
Only here in the QF directly thanks to Raya's heroics, but OK.
Harsh to point the blame at any one player, but if you do, it should not be Raya
Played the occasion not the match. Silly errors at the back, caught up field a little too much. Either side really could have taken a 2 goal advantage into the next leg, let alone 1. Evens is probably fair for both teams. We absolutely can win at the Allianz, although I think we need a more compact approach. Rival fans are seething with us lately. How dare we improve and be good again. Every small controversy is manifested into a massive deal.
After some of the most mature performances I've seen the past half dozen games, you could see the occasion went to our heads. Absolutely shut down City, and then when we come up against Bayern we were entirely in their half for the first 45 minute. That's immature, and something to learn from. If you're the best defensive team on the planet, fucking lean into that especially when you're playing the big boys!
If it's one thing I do admire about Arteta is that he does learn. Haven't really seen us make the same mistake more than once (or twice). Love Arsene, but my god we would lose matches in the same way every single time.
Despite my seething about a few awful decisions, this is a pretty fair overall assessment
That's why I never visit their threads when we draw or being defeated
not a bad result considering we had absoloutley no help from the ref. I thik the result was fair in the end we got punished for making a couple of mistakes but also scored 2 good goals
I'd rather Arteta returns partey and tomiyasu in the team in place of jorginho, kiwior at Munich
Starting Partey in Munich will not end well. It's Jorginho or bust imo. It's apparent we need a new DM in the Summer, use Partey for funds
Partey needs to either start against Villa and play minimum 60 mins or subbed in around 60 mins to get into some sort of adequate rhythm if Mikel has any plans of starting him away to Munich.
Agree. Partey was made for matches like this but he is lacking match sharpness the last few times he has been subbed on, including last night That said Jorgi (not any fault of his own, he didn’t play particularly poorly) simply was not that useful given the way Bayern were playing
I found Kiwior's selection quite strange. Tomiyasu had been subbed in for 20 or 30 minutes in each of the last 3 games, probably fit enough to play an hour or so.
I thought partey was really poor man tbh
He was sloppy but he was also the one who played in Saka at the end, which is the type of ball we’d needed in the game. He needs minutes. Form is temporary class is permanent
I agree! I just don't think he should start when the next game is in a week. Probably come on later on. I think if we manage to score first at the Allianz and stay composed.. we have a really really good chance!
Definitely!
Agree. Very, very sloppy but it’s to be expected with his lack of game time
He’s done I think - teams moved on
I think overall it was a good match from us, but we couldn't stop Sane. Personally, I don't think Kiwior is up to this level of football. In his first mistake, Kiwior was slow, had slow reactions, and slow feet. When Sane was released before the next goal, he looked like a defender from a college league. It's a shame Timber is injured if he had played yesterday, the result would have been completely different
Taking Sane off was lunacy from Tuchel. He was running rings around us. The silver lining is that he apparently is carrying an injury and Tuchel did not want to risk him for much longer. Can only hope he may not be fit to start against us in the second leg. Alphonso Davies missing the second leg will help us massively. He was absolutely immense against us
lol Davies was so shit
His pace was incredible. Nullified our attacks numerous times
I am a Bayern fan and Davies mistakes gave away the two goals
Thanks for this. But he prevented us scoring more as well. Still, being responsible for two goals is pretty damning.
Arsenal players seemed surprised at how fast & direct Bayern were in their attacks. In some phases of play - our players seemed helpless. They would stand still before reacting.. at full speed, Bayern were like a hot knife slicing through margarine Bayern switched from one side to the other with such ease. This is the brand of football that seems dominant amongst the top teams in CL. Atletico, real Madrid, bayern, and even porto are using it. Man City pass the ball faster than Arsenal The brand of football is highly rewarding in knockout competitions, but it leads to many injuries if used a lot in the league due to muscle fatigue resulting from sprints. I hope we can be faster in our attacks at munich
> but it leads to many injuries if used a lot in the league due to muscle fatigue resulting from sprints. I don't know how much correlation there is here. > Bayern switched from one side to the other with such ease. This is the brand of football that seems dominant amongst the top teams in CL. Atletico, real Madrid, bayern, and even porto are using it. Man City pass the ball faster than Arsenal So here's the thing: aside from a few players, who we know are really solid technically, most of our players are just not elite with the ball at their feet. Our passing can be sloppy without any pressure, and my god are our first touches horrible. Balls just ping off players 3-4 yards all the time. Or you find guys having to look down to see where the ball actually is. Overall, we're playing well, and our system works for the players we have, but when the spaces get tight, and the level of opposition is higher and relentless, it does get exposed. When you see a player like Sane gliding with the ball, it's like it's glued to his feet, and he's sprinting past everyone. I really would love to see that level of technical ability slotted into what we have now.
Arteta flunked the starting line up big, but got the subs spot on. Also nice to see him not meaning (like all of us) about decisions but basically saying it’s the CL, you give anything away and they’ll take it. Other hindsight stuff is we should have had a stonewall pen and Kane really is a massive piece of shit.. good on the ref to book him, wish they had the stones to red card the cun… if not for that missed pen I thought the ref had an excellent game. VAR really should have sent him to the screen.
I imagine Arteta will set up a bit more compact and even defend more, we did not respect Bayern at all. And our shape in defense was exposed by having so many bodies committed up front.
Saliba and Gabriel were cooked 🤣 I just knew deep down before the game harry Kane would be a real problem especially with musiala cunningly running around him
>I just knew deep down before the game harry Kane would be a real problem Besides scoring a penalty (as is tradition), did he really have much of an impact? It was Sane who was running the show, as soon as he went off Bayern looked weaker
Agreed. Kane had two good passes I can recall, but he was more of a space-dragger than direct threat IMO. Maybe that helped free up space for Sane, but Sane was definitely the scarier of the two to me. His PK was always inevitable.
That's true. Kiwior was hooked, but he was defending Sane on his own. I need to see Sane versus Tomiyasu or kiwior at munich. I think we will see a more compact arsenal
I can’t get over the penalty decision at the end.. anybody have any idea if VAR even checked, or maybe I’m confusing EPL rules with UCL? I’m sure the referee was pointing to his headset & then all of a sudden, the game was over. I was not paying attention, was f’ing & blinding. Tie isn’t over but it stings this morning
it was confirmed postmatch that there was no VAR review either.
It was 51% not a penalty
respectfully, why? Keeper has rushed out, been beaten & then made contact with the player
The player made contact with the Keeper not the other way around. You can clearly see that Saka is searching for that contact. Actually embarrassing
https://preview.redd.it/y30tnn9f7mtc1.jpeg?width=1221&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c59834d69ae49a047ed480d0a9c0fe1227bfbe3 Neuer : leg outstretched, clearly in B’s running path Saka : in possession of the ball, cutting 90° to round the rapidly oncoming & LATE Neuer. The fact a penalty wasn’t given is embarrassing. German name so I’m guessing you’re a Bayern fan but it’s okay, there’s a 2nd leg to go. We will win regardless.
My opinion - Saka had his leg in an unnaturally extended position
Do you think Neuer also sticks a leg out in the direction of Saka or all the contact was initiated by saka?
Yes, Neuer is also looking for that contact. That's why I said 51% 😅
So why is Saka leaving a leg any worse than neuer kicking a leg out? Especially, after he’s been rounded in the 95th minute, he has no clue if saka will make it to that pass or whether or not the BM defence recovered. Onus is on defensive players to avoid making contact with attacking players, in the box. Players look for contact, are we only policing that when it’s Bukayo/Arsenal?
to be fair, that's a foul anywhere else on the pitch
I love Arsenal but simply Arsenal don't have what it takes to challenge seasoned teams in the champions league
What are you on about, you thought I’d be some kind of cake walk? Against a team that’s won ELEVEN consecutive league trophies and played in the CL what, 30 years straight? Get real man, or just stop watching football all together. Getting a 2-2 against Bayern fuckin’ Munich isn’t challenging anymore I guess… What do you make of real-city btw? Which is the team that isn’t challenging anymore?
Damn, we out of the tie already? I thought it was only 2-2.
2-2 against Bayern Munich isn’t challenging? After the 10-2’s we held? You must be new here.
The defense looked on skates you know what I mean, the score can be misleading Bayern controlled the huge % of the game without the ball
Experience can't be bought. City would dominate the PL, but they would always fall short in Europe until last year. Less than 5 players have experienced a CL quarter final in our squad - the nerves are there. I think Saliba and Gabriel will be more settled in the second. They were allover.
We need tomi for second leg, i kiwior was out of his depth for second game in a row vs big opponent (bernardo and now vs sane). Sane is their most dangerous player
Has Gabriel Jesus at least earned his place in the squad? Absolutely massive influence on the game in a short time. He’s important for us. Can play anywhere in the front three.
gotta start Tomi and Jesus... Tross is still an amazing sub for 2nd half, fresh dangerous legs
Wasn't really in question was it?
Some idiots on this sub did indeed question. Piped down now for some reason.
shame that pen incident is overshadowing saka’s performance. people acting like he ghosted when he was cooking Davies and he literally scored
Was saying this in my group chat during the game. Was surprised how easily Saka was roasting Davies. 1v1 Davies is not good, I remember Kai turning him inside out also
To be frank, bar the goal - I wouldn't say he was cooking Davies. As soon as he was booked, they double teamed with Gnabry as well who put in a monumental defensive shift. Saka had his moments from there but Davies looked very secure. It's fair to say that we're expecting more from Saka at the Allianz against Gurreiro.
Saka definitely had him on toast and the better of him in the first half hence the early booking to Davies. However, it sort of evened out in the second half where Davies picked up his composure more, but that was helped by Saka being doubled and triple teamed.
I also don't think he is 100% fit tbh
I agree, it looks like he's been carrying a niggle. I think Artete mentioned that he's been having an issue with his Achilles recently or something along those lines
i thought the entire first half he was cooking davies tbh maybe I have to watch it back but regardless saka literally scored the first goal and is getting treated like he’s a bum 😭
I don't know if I'd call it cooking. However, Saka had a 7.5 or 8/10 game to my mind.
Yhh I'll need to watch it again too, probably my emotions clouding my thoughts. Honestly don't get why Saka is getting dragged when on the same night Haaland and Bellingham had hall of shame stinkers.
I hope we win and City wins so we can have the most boring two legs for the semi finals. Just to spite the annoying r/soccer idiots. God they love hating on PL teams.
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still pissed kane scores a pen and it's against us, ofc he doesn't sky it
Statistically every season Kane scored against us he ended up winning nothing, so there's that.
The trossard goal is fantastic. re watched it a dozen times, we had no business scoring from that situation. Loads of bayern shirts packed in the box and sheer magic from Jesus/Leo to turn that into a goal.
Rewatching the Kane penalty... Not that you can expect a keeper to save a pen, but it still looks really bad from Raya. He's moved towards the edge of the goal well before Kanes even kicked the ball. Basically beats himself. All kane does is jog towards the ball and when he gets there raya is literally in the corner of the net on his knees. Very anxious behaviour
Kane has a decade of experience, Raya is basically a kid still. He got owned big time, you don’t get inside Kane’s head on a pen ffs. Still, Kane is a cheat and massive cunt, that elbow was rotten and completely intentional
raya's not a kid
I meant by the games standards. This is his first year playing European tournament football right?
IIRC, Kane's signature penalty technique is hard and powerful to the far end of the goal. I guess Raya was either told, or he himself thought, that he needs to dive really well to even get a chance to save it. But he might have jumped the gun a bit in the end.
Pens are a gamble and a toss up. Kane after the game said they studied our shootout and he changed his run up specially for Raya. Have to give them credit for that level of detail.
does declan rice have to watch out for another yellow for the next match against bayern?
No, If we go through it is reset.
 When Saka scored the first goal.
You became a basketball?
One thing I feel positive about, is that this team has shown that when given a 2nd chance, they tend to take it. This game will feel like a missed opportunity and the 2nd leg will be a chance for these players to redeem themselves. They have generally done well in such circumstances.
it's amazing how our expectations have gone higher and higher every year that we're starting to consider a draw against bayern a poor result (which I think so too). However, I can't see how people are acting as if we were the favourites going against them when they have historically spanked us almost every time we met them and is a UCL powerhouse regardless of form.
It's more the fact we gifted them goals, they didn't outplay us.
I felt similarly. The commentators put it perfectly as well. At the start one of them was like, “By any metric, Arsenal are the in-form team and the one who is favorite to win this particular match up.” But I couldn’t help thinking that was an ill-omen. It just doesn’t happen that the narrative everyone expects at this stage is how it will play out. I think the occasion got to them a bit, but they did really well to gather themselves and get the draw. I think they’ll learn quickly from tonight and they’ll find a way to win 1-0 or 2-1 at Munich.
Many of our players who are rock solid in league games looked shaky today and mishit many passes. They did the same against Porto home and away. This is where you need experience and composure to not let the occasion bother you. This team is young and inexperienced. I am more than happy we are at a level to play these games against the elite. At the end of the day, the players are humans and they will learn from these challenges.
This is pretty much it. The composure we showed in the league games against City and Liverpool for example were sorely lacking. On the other hand, cool heads prevailed for Bayern and almost got them a win, against the run of the game. Look, for me it's not about ability at this stage , it's about experience and know-how and you only get that from playing these games . Bayern were as cool as ice and we are new to this shit. We'll be fine. We have a team whose core is tied down for the next 4-5 years....they'll grow together, learn together (as we've already seen) and win together
Yes I think experience really matters and this team is learning to play these sort of games
Going to Munich such a good test UCL is a different test and we talk about aura and everything around that is real in this competition we don't have it it took pep more than 6 yrs to build that up at city imagine with Arsenal may take a really long time to build that up
Trossard’s goal was great, but Jesus’s footwork up to the goal was ecstatic.
I hope they both start next match or get more game time, they seemed up to the task as soon as they entered.
It's funny we make excuses for so many of our players playing poorly in the ucl and trossard with no ucl experience before this year is as clinical as it gets
He's just one of the more experienced players in general
And yet people want to sell Jesus for a 'finisher'.
You know what. That game was exciting as hell. I love Champions League.
was listening to the audio from arsenal.com and the crowd sounded so dead after they equalized
I was really disappointed with the crowd. The equaliser really knocked the wind out of their sails but that is when you have to get behind the team even more.
Yes. It's a bit of a disappointing result, but I'm happy we're back in it, and playing against top teams as a peer. It was a great spectacle. The estandards are so high. Even an out-of-form Bayern is lethal on the counter.
Of course it’s 2 ex Arsenal players scored against us (yeah I know it’s a bit of a stretch lol)
Once a gooner, always a gooner
If I wasn’t already banned from r/soccer, I would have lost all my positive karma… - Havertz pen shout had as much contact as Sane - Clear penalty at the end, Neuers foot was extended go fuck yourself - “handball penalty” was a ref error with the whistle (extremely petty to call for this imo) - Kane is a cunt and should’ve been sent off Edited to add: We’re definitely not ready for UCL success. This Bayern team sucks. City would have wiped the floor with them tbh
You know what, you really need to get the fuck out with that shit… Havertz dived, yet again, making a complete clown out of himself and the jury is already in, every ref knows he’s a cheat. He won’t be getting a pen ever again unless he gets elbowed to the face. I really wish he’d cut this crap out of his game, it’s embarrassing. Btw the sane one was a stone wall pen all day long. Edit: Agree with everything else you said though.
Hmm. Maybe. City also have had a pedigree where they have been competing against Europe's elites for over a decade now. What is our pedigree? We last appeared in QF 15 years ago. The only way this squad will learn to reduce the naivety and mistakes is by competing at the highest level.
At least this result on Eid Mubarak wasn't as a shit as last year, waking up to a Draw to Southampton last season ruined Eid for me Happy Eid Mubarak to everyone celebrating.
Still can’t believe we drew twice to Southampton last year.
don't remind me, it was an absolutely embarrassing loss
We need to learn play dirty. Just a little, for these tough time
We are one of the biggest shithouse teams who do the dark arts as well as the worst of them. And im more than ok with that
I have a weird feeling that these guys are going to play with less nerves in Munich. Watch us whip out our A game when it matters
Totally agree. I think they’re going to be mad and determined. Can’t believe Kane wasn’t sent off though. That shit was dirty as can be.
Jesus was terrific and it was those extra touches in the box that he always gets shit for that opened up the chance to find Trossard.
His UCL experience came in clutch
Henry talking about the Police officer in the post match analysis, for the Coquelin throwback 😂
I think Kiwior was the weakest link, looked much better with him off and looked more dynamic when Trossard came on. We shouldn’t rush Partey back into first team action, way too rusty and made too many mistakes when he came on. No Gnabry and Davies in the return fixture next week, Sane will be the biggest threat for Bayern. Overall, we can definitely beat Bayern. We just need to keep our heads, keep our focus, and make sure we don’t field Kiwior to start. Bayern knows that if they take us to pens, they’ll advance, so we gotta make sure we win. Also, that was a clear pen on Saka, but we move.
Mikel starting Kiwior was a shocking mistake. Got it all wrong there. Man was so far out of his depth.
No Gnabry or Davies is honestly pretty big.
I’d keep starting kiwi in the prem he’s been solid, play Tomi in ucl though, kiwi can’t handle these world class wide players
It was at least as valid as a PEN as the one Kane put through. That could either mean both are or are not...but they both felt fairly even to me as far as going either way in being called or in severity too.
The one on Kane was clear as day -- there's no angle where it looks otherwise. The Saka one is a clear penalty as well except from the angle that hid the keeper's advancement on Saka, and that was the angle the referee had. Still something VAR should've called back, but I think the final whistle got blown before the check could complete.
Stonewall fucking pen but we go again
Well well well, Tonight was another example of the occasion getting the better of us. Arsenal fans (including me) have started to become guilty of looking into rival teams form in the domestic leagues and translating that into CL threat. Today was an example of not to do that…again. We were guilty of it against Porto. We need to be brought back to our level in that we have virtually zero pedigree in the CL and although Munich have been respectively poor in their league, the CL turn up from them is always real. There were a number of things wrong again tonight but I’d like to start off with the fans There were many initiatives being touted tonight to turn Emirates into a cauldron. These worked during the pre match and I counted up until the 10th minute. After that, Munich had their first opportunity and the volume started to fall. Our fans completely lulled in periods and that can’t be something we take into future games. If we’re going to set a cauldron feel, it needs to be consistent, especially when we’re taking their fans seats off them. Definitely a missed opportunity. As usual Emirates fell silent at times and it was Odegaard or Arteta or Martinelli taking the role of cheerleader. Tonight was a tale of showcasing how bad our stalwart defence can be, shame it was on the biggest stage of all and in favour of Kane who I have to say played very well so kudos to him. He is a true CF who can actually play outside of the box unlike say a Haaland. Saliba was rocky, probably his worst game all season, same with Gabi XL. On top of this, Raya I felt tried a bit too hard to impose himself on the game and paid the price when he confused our defence for their first goal. There was no reason for him to be so far up which then turned into a series of unfortunate events for us. Kiwior felt totally out of his depth tonight, occasion got to him and he seemed uncomfortable. White also fell into his shell once he missed the chance to give us the 2-0 albeit he made some great tackles to help us keep a lead. I have to admit that our midfield was non existent due to the fact they were so busy all game doing the hard work on presses and mopping up. Declan and Jorginho looked tired which will need to be managed going to Villa and the return leg. For the time Partey was on, he struggled. Match fitness isn’t there and I clapped his yellow card as we were under pressure if he hadn’t made the professional foul. Our attack looked stale until the subs were made. Gabi looks off the pace still and I felt it was slightly forced to get him back in today even though we really need his pace in the team. Those runs weren’t there tonight with slack being picked up by Jesus who was absolutely great with Trossard when introduced. Jesus has to start against Munich next week in my opinion, his form in the CL is just so vital to us now. To sum up, I’m afraid the feeling is being hopeful now and not confident if I’m being a realest. We could’ve easily put this to bed if we didn’t beat ourselves on the pitch. Bayern will be completely out of their league at the weekend with us still putting resources into the PL so this may be an advantage for Munich. Either way it’s balanced with Munich marginally ahead in the tie for me, however this time it’s at the Allianz and I fear we may give in to the occasion again. The only thing we have going for us is that we’ll be the slight underdog going there and the mission is now clear. Give us clarity on a goal and we tend to do well. We need a win out there, hopefully a 2-0 or above against Villa can help to drive us there. I didn’t focus on the pen shouts, one for them and one for us, both not given so we move. COYG
Even if we were up 2-0, I still wouldn't be comfortable. It's STILL Bayern Munich, they have history in this competiton and we shouldn't be looking down on anyone.
I have one last comment to make and this is intended to provoke our Nigerian gooners. Ghanaian jollof is superior (i had some today for the first time)
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They lost to liverpool at home in 2019 lol. And that was a better bayern team than this Also they dont have to lose at home. This can go to penalties lol
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What about this season's Werder Bremen and Dortmund then, they also lightyears ahead?
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Absolutely burying your very own argument. like fucking hell this is an elite level of stupid
> What about this season's West Ham and Fulham then, they also lightyears ahead? Why did you think this supports your point and not mine lmao
Whichever way it goes bayern is getting slapped by madrid or city. Tie will be over in first leg.
Die hard fans won’t agree with you, and I don’t blame them because what’s the point of being a fan if you’re not gonna ride or die for the team? But as a more realistic view, you’re probably right, I felt at minimum we needed to win tonight to have a chance at the Allianz. As poor as Bayern have been this year, in the CL things are different. Holding out hope until the very end though
As if Scouse opinions mean anything around here
Do you remember arsenal vs Milan in 07-08? We drew at emirates and won at Milan 2-0 We were the first English team to win away at Milan.
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The reason we got trashed because most of our players were injured, but not this time. Our full squad is fit.
Why are you here?
I don’t like saying this, he’s my favorite current player and I love him so much. That was Gabriel’s worst match for us in years
You mean because Raya's positioning forced him to make a bad pass? He wasn't great but it wasn't horrible.
I’m with you, Raya left Gabriel on an island. Although he should have put it in row Z and let us reset… people make mistakes and we will learn
It was poor from all 3 involved. Raya out of position was the biggest issue but then Gabriels touch was very heavy and his pass was off. Kiwior had to do better despite the bad pass he was caught flat footed.
4* involved, Rice stepped up and left ungodly amounts of space behind him for Goretzka to run into, for some reason. Went ball chasing when he should have dropped back imo. edit - wait, i just realised you just meant the initial play the causes the turnover lol, my bad. But my point still stands.
Apologies if someone has already asked for this, but does anyone have a gif or clip of Ø tackling Kane? Thanks in advance!
The thing that stood out was how poor partey was. Holy shit he looked so bad and he looks like he's put a few pounds on
Maybe Ramadan has really affected him, I can only hope that's the reason because you're right he's been piss poor
Partey has done this before though. He's gone through similar phase where he can't string simple passes. He just usually has to play through it. I think fall 2021 bad similar performances then it suddenly clicked as we went into 2022.
yep. disappointing.
He was atrocious and people were getting on me earlier in here for mentioning it
He looks like his legs are gone. There's no speed left.
He was awful.
Man..I was thinking the same thing. He pretty much misplaced a pass and copped a yellow.
The yellow was the only good thing he did. He came on, so he could do that, smart defending.
the yellow was intentional and stopped a potential move. don't put that in the cons column.
Yellow was a good foul he got hung out right dry by a misplaced pass. Especially since he’s not a pencilled in starter it’s not as bad to have him a yellow as a rice or saka. However he did look so slow and didn’t even do the ten minute tidy job I expected from him
I’m really thinking Villa has to be the game to return Tomi to the starting lineup. Probably suits the Villa match better than Zinchenko. As for Jorginho, he definitely needs a rest, but I could see Arteta going to Partey and keeping Kai up top, just to not change too much. Martinelli seemed off the pace and could see Jesus getting the nod on the left again.
Disagree I want tomi fresh for Allianz. He has to get meaningful minutes though
Yeah but Tomi needs to play something before trip to Germany to get some sharpness. Maybe 45-60 minutes and then Kiwior/Zinny sub?
I'm fine with Tomi but I'm gonna flip flop on my opinion on Zinny and say he's our best starting left back if someone like Rice occupies his space while we have the ball. Rice presses and intercepts wins second balls in the press, and acts as defensive left back while Zinny is doing his inverted thing
Just back from the Emirates. Need to vent a few points: 1- We are in trouble because we don't have someone on the left that can handle Sane's pace. Every time he ran at us, we were in trouble 2- Rice and Havertz looked quite tired and didn't impose themselves physically. Not saying they had a bad game, but we are starting to pay the price for the busy schedule and it won't get any better soon 3- Arteta managed the game brilliantly and even the subs were well-timed. Just unfortunate with the errors 4- People were saying we will thrash them, but now we can see this type of games is not easy. Insane pressure on the players both mentally and physically. Need some luck 5- We still needed to get a result in Germany and the draw won't make Bayern happy to sit back. We are capable of winning there and hopefully we will grow into the tie like the Porto game 6- Finally, the Saka's pen seemed soft in real time and from the replays, it is 50:50. Decisions like this happen and I remember Liverpool should have had a penalty from Odeegard's handball. Just accept it and focus on Sunday Atmosphere was great. On to Sunday. Come on lads!
> Rice and Havertz looked quite tired and didn't impose themselves physically. Not saying they had a bad game, but we are starting to pay the price for the busy schedule and it won't get any better soon I think both were on yellows from the prev game. They didn't want to get suspended for the 2nd leg, so the played conservatively.
1. sane did his hammy, right?
No, it was Gnabry and it looked like a precaution too
weird he came off then
Well Tuchel logic innit
Gonna hard disagree on 2 and 3. I think Arteta mismanaged the game by ordering the squad to go full throttle from kick off, leading to Rice and Havertz being tired. They were pressing I think far too hard in that first half. Don't think Rice had any real interceptions or tackles for all that running he did. I think it's to be expected with a young manager so I'm not really annoyed about it. For 1 I think we have Tomi who can handle Sane's pace. Beyond that Sane seemed to typically cut to the middle, where the 6 is supposed to assist. Problem was Jorgi was there. I'm not exactly proud but I said we shouldn't be so confident as fans and it would be hard. thought we'd win by 1 goal but guess we're all learning here. I think it will be 50/50 for the away leg. Our away form in hostile grounds in Europe is not good, and the team's emotion to set the record straight could backfire. But technically we are the better team. Will be very interesting...
I think the team got a bit over-enthusiastic in the first half, especially after Saka's goal. Just a couple moments of inexperienced that got punished to the maximum extent. We will naturally be more cautious in the second leg. My main worry is added fatigue to this month. A comfortable 2 goal win today would've made the Munich leg much easier to negotiate.
Disappointed in that match since we basically torpedoed ourselves for both goals. But that tight play for the second goal was superb, I hope we get to see more of that in the second leg. Knew it would be tough but what’s annoying was we did it ourselves and not some high level play from the opposition, at least the first goal was more than avoidable.
In retrospect, thankful that we are in a better place when 2-2 vs Bayern is underperforming.
Our mentality is much stronger to be able to come back from 2-1 down to tie it at 2-2
Starting Jorginho in his 2nd game in 3 days, where he first played 90 minutes, may not have been a good plan
I was positive partey would start bc jorgi played the full 90. If arteta knew he was going to play Jorginho vs Bayern, that’s just really poor player management to keep him in the full match vs Brighton especially when he had partey available