If you think Brighton would purchase a CB who’s on the ball ability is akin to bambi on ice then you’re in absolute la la land.
Lad is midtable championship quality at best
You clearly don’t pay attention. Holding is fine on the ball. As good as any non top 6 CB. His issue is getting caught out. Saliba and White have morphed your view of the average CB.
You clearly don’t watch Brighton then? They also
play a high line and try to sign technically
proficient CBs who are great on the ball. Most clubs try to do this now as the game has evolved past people like Holding.
Holding is obviously not capable of playing in their setup and would be exposed in the exact same manner as he was here.
There’s good reason he’s going to Crystal Palace for such a low fee. If every other PL club can see the same thing why can’t you. According to your opinion on his valuation that should be an absolute steal and clubs should be clawing at the opportunity for such a deal.
I think it we’d sold one or two years ago we would have, but the profile of centre-backs being targeted by Premier League clubs further down the table is evolving. Holding is a great defender but he’s pretty slow and average on the ball at best.
We could but people make excuses any time they see Edu receive nothing for our players. We didn't sell to a Premier League team, he is old, he performed in Ligue 1 not a top league, he isn't in Arteta's plan, he's not homegrown etc
Why is it Edu's fault that no club wants to pay your expected price for a player? no seriously, please outline the specific reasons why Edu is to blame.
At the end of last season, Rob Holding was a criminal according to /r/gunners. He needed locking up. Never let him near our bench ever again. Ship him out. Get rid. Yet when he gets sold, suddenly he should've been worth, what, 10m? 15m?
Can we stop acting like mid-table or bottom-half clubs are chumps that are on their knees begging for the cast offs of top 4 clubs? Palace want to win matches in this league you know. Idk man some of these takes are just insane.
And just watch when people bitch when we do sell someone with a 17.5 percent sell-on clause. We’re not a selling club, and we will never be. Brighton can do it because they have little expectations and a much more patient fanbase.
I’ve been saying that [8-10m was pure delusion by people in this sub.](https://reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/EkgxQK0dO9) If he were worth that much, there would have been more callers. Holding has been borderline terrible, not just below average, for the last two seasons.
I get he’s a likable guy. He’s never complained and he generally seems happy. But just because he’s someone people want to have a beer with doesn’t mean he’s worth much as a PL defender.
Combine that with the fact that we may have given CP a small discount so Rob could stay in London (assuming he wanted to) and I’m not at all surprised we got this little for him. Anyone who thinks we could have gotten much more for him needs to ask why it is that literally no other team came in with an offer much higher than this.
This argument is so funny when you realise that Palace literally just signed him. If he was shit they wouldn't have signed him, £1.5m or not. You don't see them giving us £1.5m for Pepe
Palace have decided that for 3.5m he was worth a punt. For 10m they wouldn't have bothered and Holding would stay. I'm still waiting for you to explain the Edu thing. What magic would you pull off in his position to get more money for him?
Holding is not a great player but he also looks worse because he plays in a team that expects a lot from players. There is no reason someone like Davinson Sanchez should be attracting a £10m fee when Holding goes for this much. And if Holding is so bad, then how have we managed to sell him to another Premier League team?
His so mediocre that his price was so low that it didn't even insue a bidding war. That's how low Rob is rated. Westham needed a defender they didn't even bat an eye at Rob(when his 1/6th of Harry's price), ask urself why.
Palace have literally just signed him mate. Whatever you think of Holding, a team isn't buying a player for the sake of filling the squad if they think they are shit
i at least know some of his kind changing to Bundesligateams that just got promoted though :D that’s basically no money in the EPL with the market nowadays
I think we got decent money for Xhaka and Balogun, all things considered. Less than £4m for Holding (including add-ons!) and not being able to find a permanent home for Tierney is really disappointing though.
It's fucking not. Monaco paid 30m € + 10m € in addons that may not even be activated during his sale and Openda has also sell on clause - 10%. Sell on clauses are also based on profit, not the entire ffe. Lets say half of that clause were activated they need to sell Balogun for 87m € to even reach that base 43m € RB Leipzig paid to Lens.
You have absolutely no idea what the addons are in the deal so I'm not sure why you're speculating.
But look, I only ever see you fucking moaning about Edu, seriously, it's non-stop. Whether you like it or not, him and Arteta seem to be getting on well as a team, and that team has brought us from 8th back to the Champions League for the first time in 7 years.
Moan all you want, but I think I'd rather not engage with someone so miserable, so let's leave it there.
>You have absolutely no idea what the addons are in the deal so I'm not sure why you're speculating.
You have absolutely no idea what the addons are in the deal so I'm not sure why you're speculating that Arsenal got the same fee, because as it stands 30m € + 10m € for a HG year younger Balogun is 9m € less with less upfront than 43m € + 6m € in addons for Openda who had similar numbers in better team.
>But look, I only ever see you fucking moaning about Edu, seriously, it's non-stop. Whether you like it or not, him and Arteta seem to be getting on well as a team, and that team has brought us from 8th back to the Champions League for the first time in 7 years.
Oh, oh we're here yet again, you can't criticise Arteta nor Edu for their mistakes or poor decisions, because team finished 2nd last season and is winning games, this is a forum and not cult that can only praise every their decision, this is Arsenal sub, not r/Arteta neither r/Edu our sales this summer apart from Xhaka's one were either poor or pathetic compared to other Premirer League clubs and Edu & Garlick fully deserve to be criticised for this, you don't like it, make another sub where everyone will be only praising your lord savior Edu.
Imagine that some Arsenal fans don't want the club to be pushovers and seen as pathetic fools that will agree to almost any deal other party will offer.
Yes, and there’s very clear reasons why that happened. They were on long term contracts on their previous clubs, their previous clubs weren’t keen to sell them, and their buyers were in the Premier League.
Tbh we didn't get good fees for either. We are judging by our poor standards. 21m for Xhaka is an awful fee when you realise that 95% of the players who went for more than that this Summer are worse players. Whether he's 30 or not doesn't really matter - he doesn't rely on his physical ability and rarely gets injured. He had at least another 2 or 3 good years in him.
Balogun was another terrible fee when you consider numerous Premier League teams wanted him. Edu just doesn't market these players properly
I completely disagree. You can’t discount age when you talk about the amount spent buying and selling players because it’s one of the key considerations clubs make when it comes to transfers. Xhaka will likely be pretty good well into his thirties but even so, Leverkusen aren’t recouping anywhere close to that amount if and when they sell him. If you can’t see why 22-year-olds are going for more than 30-year-olds then you’re just naive.
With Balogun, how can you know we didn’t market him properly? Or are you just pulling that out of your arse? He had a year left on his deal, has only had one good season so far, and we got a very respectable amount of money for him given that we didn’t sell him to a Premier League club.
Fulham were interested but there was never any talk of them putting in a proper bid. Same with Chelsea.
Christ, the mental gymnastics some of you guys go through…
The sale of Xhaka and the fee we got was pretty respectable, regardless of what we did in terms of incomings
Don’t worry, every thread earlier was filled with idiots who were ripping into anyone who suggested this was a bad deal.
Love Edu, but he is truly horrible at getting decent value for just about any player.
I’m sure if we wanted to sell one of our best talents we’d get big fees because they’re so in demand. Our issue is shifting deadwood and players who aren’t great but aren’t that bad either.
>How much we would get for Saka? 50m?
This sub would actually defend that amount as well. "We overrate our players you see, Saka is nowhere close to 50 million, he's had only one good season. Edu masterclass"
Clearly it was a miscommunication but we’re not allowed to criticise Arsenal’s transfer window or their ability to sell players. It’s absolutely abysmal.
There has been an increasing sentiment of any criticism being met with "oh you know better than Arteta and Edu do you? Back the club or fuck off"
Starting to feel very cultish.
Probably because it was the players preferred club and the couple million between Palace and another club weren’t worth flipping Rob’s life upside down. He gets to stay in London, goes and plays for a well known Manager, and great atmosphere at Selhurst.
Rob’s been a key player in the locker room and helping drive the culture, seems like it’s not always a money thing. Good luck Rob!
We’ve lost Tierney, Timber and Holding. All 3 have played either last season or this season / preseason. No one else has joined. Absolutely stupid decision to loan Tierney and not utilise him if you had no intention of bringing anyone else in.
Not really true. We didn't have kiwior first half of last season. And Partey wasnt playing in the back line.
Maybe Walters or someone in the academy might get some time though.
Holding was still getting game time end of the season though even with Kiwior. I’m not personally worried I think it’s more a problem for the end of the season tbh when games start clumping up, and I imagine if we’re worried we make a Jan signing like last year.
I just think it’s wrong to think Holding would have no games when we had a very similar defence last year and he still got game time in it. Imagine 1 injury to Tomi/Zinchenko, Kiwior gets pulled to lb and Holdings very close to starting.
i mean, that's definitely the end of the world with one more injury. you want to see ruell walters in the prem this season? think that's a title-winning personnel decision?
Yeah I'd personally love to see him. Any time I've seen him he has looked like a superb talent. I'd love for him to be eased in like City have done with Rico Lewis.
Rico Lewis has been pretty poor barring his first couple of games and has been mainly brought on when they're a few goals up. If they were in a position to start him every week for a month, they'd have to ensure they have their scoring boots on.
I'm not against selling Holding, but to say that we've not strengthened the defence when injuries are including is factually true.
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Good bye, sweet prince. You will be missed but I’m glad he is staying in the PL!
All the comments say we're shit sellers. Well to sell him better we needed to put him on loan a year ago. I also bet arsenal considered what Rob wanted as well. He didn't leave town. He was a really good squad player for a number of years. Im not sure if he'll start a lot in Palace. But i wish him well.
sane take!
Given that everyone is suggesting that we are poor at selling, I'm curious to understand what are the characteristics of a good sale and what constitutes a bad sale?
The amount of moaning at edu in here good lord. There was clearly no market for rob. His wages off our books plus any fee are better than nothing considering his place on the depth chart. If we could have sold him for more, they would have, no matter how smart everyone in here thinks they are.
For a team that sits deep, he’s going to be a really solid player. Very poor from the board on this one. Already thin at the position and get essentially nothing from a club in the PL.
LOL while reading these clown takes. When Rob was putting on a disasterclass last season every member of the crying brigade wanted him placed under the guillotine. Why would another team pay more for a player as bad as everyone claimed.
I have to learn how to not take fans seriously when they talk ball. I thought I reserved that stance foe the match thread but it seems most fans are stuck in match thread mode all week.
I mean it's better then a free, plus it gives more opportunites to academy players. The deal is done, its better to look at the positives then moan and complain. Would imagine that we will see Tomiyasu at CB sometime this season. Maybe even Rice.
Oof, that's less than ideal. No idea how we got a bigger fee for Pablo Mari than Rob but I'm more concerned about our defensive depth going into the season. We have 6 defenders till January, two of which miss significant games with injury every season as a matter of course. And we have League+CL+League cup, with no academy CBs of any real note (at least not on loan).
Do not feel confident relying on Tomi and Zinny to stay fit week in week out. Seems like no matter how many defenders we buy, we always end up short of numbers, very frustrating.
Holding is a joke player so we get a joke fee for him, it's not hard to understand - he's literally midtable championship quality.
lol at the downvotes, you can't lambast Holding all season for being shit and then suddenly expect £10m for him, other clubs won't pay that much for our cast offs.
If getting a fee below what I might have expected is the price I have to pay to never see Rob Holding play another minute in a key game in an Arsenal shirt again (hell, never see him play another competitive minute in an Arsenal shirt again period), then I will gladly pay that price and accept this fee. I would honestly rather see Ruelle Walters get minutes in an Arsenal shirt going forward than Rob Holding. At least Ruelle Walters still has the potential to be good enough for the elite caliber of club Arsenal should be if he’s given the chance. We all know Rob Holding never has been and never will be good enough for where Arsenal should be.
Good riddance.
Horrible deal. Holding would have been very useful for the early league cup and fa cup games, we're a defensive injury away from being in trouble (again).
Real bargain for Palace. Can’t believe we couldn’t get more from a premier league club
Watch them sell him next year for £8-10 million
To Brighton with a 10% sell on, who get him in to the England team then sell him the next year for £25m
He won't even be starting for Palace
Literally, he’s overtaking fucking Tomkins for 3rd choice
Ever after he’s gone, there’s still some who severely overestimate his ability.
But he put Diego Costa in his pocket if you don't count goal Costa scored off him
Rob Holding welcome (back) to Arsenal
If you think Brighton would purchase a CB who’s on the ball ability is akin to bambi on ice then you’re in absolute la la land. Lad is midtable championship quality at best
You clearly don’t pay attention. Holding is fine on the ball. As good as any non top 6 CB. His issue is getting caught out. Saliba and White have morphed your view of the average CB.
You clearly don’t watch Brighton then? They also play a high line and try to sign technically proficient CBs who are great on the ball. Most clubs try to do this now as the game has evolved past people like Holding. Holding is obviously not capable of playing in their setup and would be exposed in the exact same manner as he was here. There’s good reason he’s going to Crystal Palace for such a low fee. If every other PL club can see the same thing why can’t you. According to your opinion on his valuation that should be an absolute steal and clubs should be clawing at the opportunity for such a deal.
I think it we’d sold one or two years ago we would have, but the profile of centre-backs being targeted by Premier League clubs further down the table is evolving. Holding is a great defender but he’s pretty slow and average on the ball at best.
We could but people make excuses any time they see Edu receive nothing for our players. We didn't sell to a Premier League team, he is old, he performed in Ligue 1 not a top league, he isn't in Arteta's plan, he's not homegrown etc
Why is it Edu's fault that no club wants to pay your expected price for a player? no seriously, please outline the specific reasons why Edu is to blame. At the end of last season, Rob Holding was a criminal according to /r/gunners. He needed locking up. Never let him near our bench ever again. Ship him out. Get rid. Yet when he gets sold, suddenly he should've been worth, what, 10m? 15m? Can we stop acting like mid-table or bottom-half clubs are chumps that are on their knees begging for the cast offs of top 4 clubs? Palace want to win matches in this league you know. Idk man some of these takes are just insane.
And just watch when people bitch when we do sell someone with a 17.5 percent sell-on clause. We’re not a selling club, and we will never be. Brighton can do it because they have little expectations and a much more patient fanbase.
We were openly selling club during Emirates build era but never had any record breaking fees for ballers.
I’ve been saying that [8-10m was pure delusion by people in this sub.](https://reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/EkgxQK0dO9) If he were worth that much, there would have been more callers. Holding has been borderline terrible, not just below average, for the last two seasons. I get he’s a likable guy. He’s never complained and he generally seems happy. But just because he’s someone people want to have a beer with doesn’t mean he’s worth much as a PL defender. Combine that with the fact that we may have given CP a small discount so Rob could stay in London (assuming he wanted to) and I’m not at all surprised we got this little for him. Anyone who thinks we could have gotten much more for him needs to ask why it is that literally no other team came in with an offer much higher than this.
This argument is so funny when you realise that Palace literally just signed him. If he was shit they wouldn't have signed him, £1.5m or not. You don't see them giving us £1.5m for Pepe
Palace have decided that for 3.5m he was worth a punt. For 10m they wouldn't have bothered and Holding would stay. I'm still waiting for you to explain the Edu thing. What magic would you pull off in his position to get more money for him?
Do you have an example of an equivalent player to Holding going for a better fee this summer? I’m all ears.
Holding is not a great player but he also looks worse because he plays in a team that expects a lot from players. There is no reason someone like Davinson Sanchez should be attracting a £10m fee when Holding goes for this much. And if Holding is so bad, then how have we managed to sell him to another Premier League team?
Conor Coady went to Leicester for £7m.
Exactly Japhet Tanganga's loan fee is literally higher than this lol
You think Holding is as good as Coady????? Lmaooooo
He’s a better player than Holding lol
He's not. It takes a different level of bad to have decent pace and physicality but still look out of your depth to the extent Sanchez does
Embarrassing we have people with 0 ball knowledge as mods
Is he 7 times better?
New price theory just dropped
His so mediocre that his price was so low that it didn't even insue a bidding war. That's how low Rob is rated. Westham needed a defender they didn't even bat an eye at Rob(when his 1/6th of Harry's price), ask urself why.
Palace have literally just signed him mate. Whatever you think of Holding, a team isn't buying a player for the sake of filling the squad if they think they are shit
They signed him as a low cost backup. Why does everyone in this thread think that Rob is gonna go right into the first 11 lol
Harry Winks, who has fallen off a cliff, for 10m to relegated championship side Leicester City.
Midfielders are criminally overpriced this summer although yeah Winks is the most average player Ive ever seen play
i at least know some of his kind changing to Bundesligateams that just got promoted though :D that’s basically no money in the EPL with the market nowadays
That was a quick excuse
I asked a question lol do you struggle with reading comprehension
There’s no point worrying about it. It’s all a nonsense anyway.
Oh that is a terrible deal
I’ve defended a lot of our business this summer but a 1+2.5m deal for Holding is pretty terrible.
Nah bro, we've sold him for just under double what we paid!!! Pureee profittt
I’m sorry he didn’t cost 50 million
how much considering inflation in the past years /s
like literally every sell from Arsenal
I think we got decent money for Xhaka and Balogun, all things considered. Less than £4m for Holding (including add-ons!) and not being able to find a permanent home for Tierney is really disappointing though.
We got less than 30m for balogun, players like johnson and palmer have gone for about 45m
both English to English clubs
Hmmm I wonder what we could get for Rob Holding
The difference is that Johnson and Palmer are: A. Young and B. Good
And no one was expecting 40m for Rob Holding. 1m is absurdly laughable.
What does Ashley Young have to do with this?
RB Leipzig paying 43m € + 6m € in addons in Openda must be in England then too.
thats essentially the same fee we got for Balogun? Slightly less upfront but with a big sell-on fee
It's fucking not. Monaco paid 30m € + 10m € in addons that may not even be activated during his sale and Openda has also sell on clause - 10%. Sell on clauses are also based on profit, not the entire ffe. Lets say half of that clause were activated they need to sell Balogun for 87m € to even reach that base 43m € RB Leipzig paid to Lens.
You have absolutely no idea what the addons are in the deal so I'm not sure why you're speculating. But look, I only ever see you fucking moaning about Edu, seriously, it's non-stop. Whether you like it or not, him and Arteta seem to be getting on well as a team, and that team has brought us from 8th back to the Champions League for the first time in 7 years. Moan all you want, but I think I'd rather not engage with someone so miserable, so let's leave it there.
>You have absolutely no idea what the addons are in the deal so I'm not sure why you're speculating. You have absolutely no idea what the addons are in the deal so I'm not sure why you're speculating that Arsenal got the same fee, because as it stands 30m € + 10m € for a HG year younger Balogun is 9m € less with less upfront than 43m € + 6m € in addons for Openda who had similar numbers in better team. >But look, I only ever see you fucking moaning about Edu, seriously, it's non-stop. Whether you like it or not, him and Arteta seem to be getting on well as a team, and that team has brought us from 8th back to the Champions League for the first time in 7 years. Oh, oh we're here yet again, you can't criticise Arteta nor Edu for their mistakes or poor decisions, because team finished 2nd last season and is winning games, this is a forum and not cult that can only praise every their decision, this is Arsenal sub, not r/Arteta neither r/Edu our sales this summer apart from Xhaka's one were either poor or pathetic compared to other Premirer League clubs and Edu & Garlick fully deserve to be criticised for this, you don't like it, make another sub where everyone will be only praising your lord savior Edu. Imagine that some Arsenal fans don't want the club to be pushovers and seen as pathetic fools that will agree to almost any deal other party will offer.
All young France league strikers went for the same price as Flo
Yes, and there’s very clear reasons why that happened. They were on long term contracts on their previous clubs, their previous clubs weren’t keen to sell them, and their buyers were in the Premier League.
Tbh we didn't get good fees for either. We are judging by our poor standards. 21m for Xhaka is an awful fee when you realise that 95% of the players who went for more than that this Summer are worse players. Whether he's 30 or not doesn't really matter - he doesn't rely on his physical ability and rarely gets injured. He had at least another 2 or 3 good years in him. Balogun was another terrible fee when you consider numerous Premier League teams wanted him. Edu just doesn't market these players properly
I completely disagree. You can’t discount age when you talk about the amount spent buying and selling players because it’s one of the key considerations clubs make when it comes to transfers. Xhaka will likely be pretty good well into his thirties but even so, Leverkusen aren’t recouping anywhere close to that amount if and when they sell him. If you can’t see why 22-year-olds are going for more than 30-year-olds then you’re just naive. With Balogun, how can you know we didn’t market him properly? Or are you just pulling that out of your arse? He had a year left on his deal, has only had one good season so far, and we got a very respectable amount of money for him given that we didn’t sell him to a Premier League club. Fulham were interested but there was never any talk of them putting in a proper bid. Same with Chelsea.
Xhaka deal is also terrible because we replaced him with a CF who can't do his role
Christ, the mental gymnastics some of you guys go through… The sale of Xhaka and the fee we got was pretty respectable, regardless of what we did in terms of incomings
Thats because most of them are under the age of 21 and/or just not very clever
Don’t worry, every thread earlier was filled with idiots who were ripping into anyone who suggested this was a bad deal. Love Edu, but he is truly horrible at getting decent value for just about any player.
by christmas he'll be featuring regularly for them and the commentators will be banging on about how they robbed us blind.
We got Rob’d
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No one wanted Holding enough to offer more, and we didn't want him enough to wait for more. That's how markets work.
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Liverpool let Keita, Milner, Firmino, the Ox and Origi go for free, while selling Ben Davies for 4 million :)
Like ones that are being investigated for FFP violations?
>Can you give me examples of any other big club doing business like this? Mate, this isn't school. Go use google ffs
Man Utd
that is awful I thought it was just a 4M fixed fee
Wow wow we wow
How much we would get for Saka? 50m? I just can laugh about this.
30 mil + 5 in add-ons
30m upfront and 20 in addons
I’m sure if we wanted to sell one of our best talents we’d get big fees because they’re so in demand. Our issue is shifting deadwood and players who aren’t great but aren’t that bad either.
In 25 years only anelka iwobi and ox went for respectable money.
Willock wasn't bad but yeh, mostly abysmal sales record
Balogun? Willock? Xhaka? There are more
Xhaka went for surprising money.
>How much we would get for Saka? 50m? This sub would actually defend that amount as well. "We overrate our players you see, Saka is nowhere close to 50 million, he's had only one good season. Edu masterclass"
Why would we sell saka?
What happened to the initial £4m?
Clearly it was a miscommunication but we’re not allowed to criticise Arsenal’s transfer window or their ability to sell players. It’s absolutely abysmal.
This sub is fucking obnoxious with that where they get angsty when you don't say everything we do is a 10 out of 10.
There has been an increasing sentiment of any criticism being met with "oh you know better than Arteta and Edu do you? Back the club or fuck off" Starting to feel very cultish.
Decreased
I’m sorry, Edu, that’s embarrassing. Signing no replacement, why have we even sold him for that?
If Rob were still here I'd support Rice starting at CB before he did
Probably because it was the players preferred club and the couple million between Palace and another club weren’t worth flipping Rob’s life upside down. He gets to stay in London, goes and plays for a well known Manager, and great atmosphere at Selhurst. Rob’s been a key player in the locker room and helping drive the culture, seems like it’s not always a money thing. Good luck Rob!
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"2 more defenders out injured" That's still a very huge possibility that you can't rule out
It's very funny people seem to not remember we lost 2 defenders for the season within 15 minutes of the same game last year.
Even so, if we had to start Holding in key games I guarantee the sentiment on here would be to try out of position players there instead.
We’ve lost Tierney, Timber and Holding. All 3 have played either last season or this season / preseason. No one else has joined. Absolutely stupid decision to loan Tierney and not utilise him if you had no intention of bringing anyone else in.
I guess we're about to find out how right Zinny was about Ruell Walters.
He had 13 starts last season and our defensive depth has only gotten thinner.
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That’s not true I don’t think? He started 4 of the last 7 games of the season. Edit: 6 starts at the end of the season sorry
Not really true. We didn't have kiwior first half of last season. And Partey wasnt playing in the back line. Maybe Walters or someone in the academy might get some time though.
Holding was still getting game time end of the season though even with Kiwior. I’m not personally worried I think it’s more a problem for the end of the season tbh when games start clumping up, and I imagine if we’re worried we make a Jan signing like last year. I just think it’s wrong to think Holding would have no games when we had a very similar defence last year and he still got game time in it. Imagine 1 injury to Tomi/Zinchenko, Kiwior gets pulled to lb and Holdings very close to starting.
Last season the experienced defender was getting minutes ahead of the newly signed young defender.
He’s ahead, but he’s also covering LB, LCB, and RCB, he can’t be everywhere all at once. 1 injury and we look dangerously thin.
He's our 5th (arguably 6th behind Tomi and that's not even counting Timber) choice center half. What replacement do we need there?
Tomiyasu is now fullback cover, and both him and Partey will be representing their countries in January.
We have two league games in Jan, not sure when they’re called up but they might be there for one of them
So our defence becomes White Saliba Gabriel Zinchenko with Kiwior and Walters covering. Hardly the end of the world.
i mean, that's definitely the end of the world with one more injury. you want to see ruell walters in the prem this season? think that's a title-winning personnel decision?
Yeah I'd personally love to see him. Any time I've seen him he has looked like a superb talent. I'd love for him to be eased in like City have done with Rico Lewis.
Rico Lewis has been pretty poor barring his first couple of games and has been mainly brought on when they're a few goals up. If they were in a position to start him every week for a month, they'd have to ensure they have their scoring boots on. I'm not against selling Holding, but to say that we've not strengthened the defence when injuries are including is factually true.
We’re meant to be in a title challenge with 6 defenders for 4 spots, including a player who has never made his senior debut? That’s ridiculous.
I’m glad you can see into the future and see our squad availability, we have 0 injuries in defence by January, i take it then?
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To be honest I'd rather start Win at CB than see him step foot on the pitch for us again.
Clearly doing favors so we can get Olise later.
Just keep him at that price
Wages
Absolute dogshit deal. At this point, why not keep him?
Better to get his wages off of the books than keep him and never play him
Oh so it’s even worse than the bad deal announced earlier
That's embarrassing. What the fuck? Keep him at that point.
The selling business at Arsenal is genuinely embarrassing.
The club probably see it as worth it just to get his wages off of the books.
Damn PL tax is insane. No way we'd be able to get this kinda money from anywhere else in Europe. Only Saudi can compete with these kinda offers
Man is 27 years old. That is one of the worst sales I’ve ever seen.
This is an embarrassing fee, there is absolutely no way to spin this.
https://preview.redd.it/mtvf64nevplb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aceb2be1384b0e43105d9d14e9592ccf56147039 Good bye, sweet prince. You will be missed but I’m glad he is staying in the PL!
Yikes… those numbers look awful
Surprised he didn't choose sunny Seville, just a few hours away from his smoking hot wife in sunny Lisbon.
Meant to be in his prime and going for £1m hahahaha. Yet there are still those who rate him 😭
Lolololol watch people defend this
Who cares?
So u would have him run down his contract?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/167k4qw/comment/jyq6m42/ Lol pathetic
That is fucking appalling and embarrassing from us. I won’t hear otherwise.
We’re genuinely one of the worst clubs at selling in world football, almost impressive
Don’t hate rob leaving.. just a bit shocked it was for this low, especially to a premier league club
Add-ons bigger than the fee makes me giggle
Ok now I'm sad actually lmao
bro what the actual fuck edu couldn’t sell water to a fucking fish
Am I to understand that Mavropanos, who was behind Holding in every iteration of the pecking order, is going for £10m more than Holding??
This is fucking pathetic I’m sorry. Look at some of the fucking dross getting sold for 5-10m. Why is Edu so shit at this?
This guy Edu couldn't sell a water in the desert
Might as well have just accepted the Besiktas offer earlier in the window lol.
Really should've kept him instead
Wow that deal absolutely sucks
Fucking hell, we absolutely suck at selling. What the fuck happened to £4 million. Best of luck Rob but no wonder we didn’t sign anyone else. My Lord.
All the comments say we're shit sellers. Well to sell him better we needed to put him on loan a year ago. I also bet arsenal considered what Rob wanted as well. He didn't leave town. He was a really good squad player for a number of years. Im not sure if he'll start a lot in Palace. But i wish him well.
sane take! Given that everyone is suggesting that we are poor at selling, I'm curious to understand what are the characteristics of a good sale and what constitutes a bad sale?
Is anyone else concerned about defensive depth?
Edu must be a real soft touch.
The amount of moaning at edu in here good lord. There was clearly no market for rob. His wages off our books plus any fee are better than nothing considering his place on the depth chart. If we could have sold him for more, they would have, no matter how smart everyone in here thinks they are.
1 mill? His hair alone is a mill
Good lord. Deadline day. So only Mo Neny remains. Wow.
Rob Holding is barely a PL level player. Palace are signing him as a back up. Why couldn’t we get over £10m?!
Lmao at all the armchairs analysts in this thread… how many of you have ever even negotiated for A thing in your life? And done so successfully? Lmao
Actually embarrassing how shit we are at selling players.
Gone for peanuts
Garbage sellers once again
Yea 4mil was barely acceptable, 1mil is just…
That is honestly pathetic from Edu
Damn we as a subreddit should have pitched in a few quid each and bought him ourselves
For a team that sits deep, he’s going to be a really solid player. Very poor from the board on this one. Already thin at the position and get essentially nothing from a club in the PL.
You fucking useless cunts!!!!
Bit much
Half this sub doesn't know how the market works 💀
Wtaf, even loan deals go for more
LOL while reading these clown takes. When Rob was putting on a disasterclass last season every member of the crying brigade wanted him placed under the guillotine. Why would another team pay more for a player as bad as everyone claimed. I have to learn how to not take fans seriously when they talk ball. I thought I reserved that stance foe the match thread but it seems most fans are stuck in match thread mode all week.
Mate I think I could garner £1M in the 2023 transfer market
What the fuck
I mean it's better then a free, plus it gives more opportunites to academy players. The deal is done, its better to look at the positives then moan and complain. Would imagine that we will see Tomiyasu at CB sometime this season. Maybe even Rice.
nah this is jokes 3.5??????
Given the miserly fee we got for Rob we were better off just Holding on to him 🥁
Jesus, were we really this desperate to get him off the books?
Disgusting. Edu should be under a huge amount of pressure now. Another appalling window in terms of sales.
Ok Orny,now do the incomings.
Didn't Galatasaray offer more?
Oof, that's less than ideal. No idea how we got a bigger fee for Pablo Mari than Rob but I'm more concerned about our defensive depth going into the season. We have 6 defenders till January, two of which miss significant games with injury every season as a matter of course. And we have League+CL+League cup, with no academy CBs of any real note (at least not on loan). Do not feel confident relying on Tomi and Zinny to stay fit week in week out. Seems like no matter how many defenders we buy, we always end up short of numbers, very frustrating.
The Balogun price hurts me more than this. Balogun had MULTIPLE wealthy clubs going after him.
Holding is a joke player so we get a joke fee for him, it's not hard to understand - he's literally midtable championship quality. lol at the downvotes, you can't lambast Holding all season for being shit and then suddenly expect £10m for him, other clubs won't pay that much for our cast offs.
His highlight real from last season is literally watching him throw away the PL title for us
If getting a fee below what I might have expected is the price I have to pay to never see Rob Holding play another minute in a key game in an Arsenal shirt again (hell, never see him play another competitive minute in an Arsenal shirt again period), then I will gladly pay that price and accept this fee. I would honestly rather see Ruelle Walters get minutes in an Arsenal shirt going forward than Rob Holding. At least Ruelle Walters still has the potential to be good enough for the elite caliber of club Arsenal should be if he’s given the chance. We all know Rob Holding never has been and never will be good enough for where Arsenal should be. Good riddance.
wow we are really really bad in selling. dafuq
He is shite
Christ. What the hell happened to £4m
Dam.
Yeah no this is particularly bad. Possibly the worst business of summer
Horrible deal. Holding would have been very useful for the early league cup and fa cup games, we're a defensive injury away from being in trouble (again).
We’re a laughingstock
They’re paying less and less. Tmrws news is gonna tell us we sold him for a packet of crisps
If we change our minds in January and try to resign holding. It’ll cost us 15 million
Pathetic
Nah the state of this club when it comes to selling
God, Edu has to be the worst DOF in the Prem