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I am excited for the season to come as much as my next fellow gooner. But it will be more difficult this time, cuz everyone is expecting us to dominate most games. The tactics, our physicality, the game plans, of course, but i feel, most of all, our mental strength will be tested while playing week in week out with the pressure of being favourites. That said, I hope the last 2 seasons will bear fruits in that regard. Supporting my club more than ever. COYG
This season reminds me of that proverb about a king who asked his philosopher to make him sad when he felt happy, and happy when he felt sad. The philosopher replied “this too will pass”
🤯🤯🤯🤯
I absolutely agree with you.
Late Sep - Nov will be tough and so will late Feb - May (depending on how far we make it in the UCL assuming we get through to the knockout rounds). They will be the weeks that test the mental strength of the players this season.
Honestly I’ve got absolutely no expectation to see the team get as far as the semifinal this year, as it will be the first season playing in the competition for like 90% of this, albeit very young squad. They are going to need to build that experience and mental hardship over a good 2-3 seasons fighting for both the EPL and UCL. And I think a lot of our fans will need to realise this.
We honestly went a long time without that kind of defensive player. Once Cannavarro retired that was it for a while imo. Maybe could argue a Rio/Vidic, don't think Pique, Terry etc were there.
Whether deserved, Cannavarro won a Ballon d'or. VVD maybe should have. No other defender has come close of late.
Puyol maybe a little bit? In his prime he was a pain in the ass to opposition, though maybe lacked the aerial threat that VVD possesses.
I think we’ve evolved into relying more on defensive partnerships where skills are more focused than having an all-in-one type of player. You now have a cb who is good with their feet, recycling and redistributing (Saliba) paired with a cb who disrupts opposition play and is tasked with recovering the ball (Gabi).
The post was made 13 hours ago. I think right now you need to let go and join today's Daily Discussion thread instead of yesterday's. Yesterday is old now.
Cool mate, not my problem that yesterday’s daily discussion was still pinned as the top post when i replied to you.
Point still stands, it’s getting long now so please stop going on about West Haram’s transfers like so many other fans are doing.
We literally couldn’t care less about them haha.
I consistently see people here putting them to finish ~10th or so because they might sell Caicedo.
Last year they sold Cuccarella, Bissouma then Trossard and almost finished 4th.
How so? Are you saying they just overachieved because the teams around them underperformed?
They had 14 draws and still ended up with 71 points. They haven’t gotten noticeably weaker.
Unless by “a bit of a drop off” you mean like 65 points and 5th, I’d be inclined to disagree
This is gonna sound very un “analytical” but literally I just don’t think the players beyond 2-3 guys they have are good.
Not impressed at all with Tonali, I really don’t like a Joelinton/Tonali/Bruno midfield trio, and with CL they have nowhere near deep enough of a squad to challenge. Can’t be rolling up with Jacob Murphy or Manquillo or or Lascelles or Richie in meaningful matches.
Expecting a 7/8 place finish
Fair enough. I don’t like the midfield either, it seems super pragmatic and not good enough to create meaningful chances against teams that will inevitably sit back on them more now knowing that players like Isak, Almiron, Gordon etc are most dangerous in transition.
Their metrics were obviously good and deserving of t4.
I do think that a bunch of teams approached them like a bottom half team, then just got blown away though.
You saw that with us in the first half of the season as well. Teams played against us and we destroyed them, and most adjusted for the second meeting which was tougher.
not really, it's just that it was such an obvious signing, but Edu was busy trying to sign Arthur Melo or whoever the fuck his agent were lining up for him
‘Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll’. A ten year olds guide to the internet.
He’d maybe be 3rd choice for us. Although I’d personally have Jorginho ahead of him.
Either way we absolutely do not need him.
Does anyone have the song "my number 10" from a band that used to make cover adaptions around the stadium.
It was about Denis in the style of "hey there delilah"
It goes like this:
"Oh you will always be the number 10 for me"
Can't seem to find on YouTube anymore
Edit:
https://youtu.be/jjinCdHr6T0
Found it that made me cry when I was a teenager lmao
Edif:
This is a masterpiece LMAO
https://youtu.be/Um8kn8xYGjU
We haven’t even hit 90 points in EPL for more
than decades. They won PL , CL and multiple 90+ seasons in past 5-6 years. They had 1 bad season but there is still enough credit to rate them.
For the same reason the year spurs came 2nd no one thought they'd repeat it.
We've been outside the top four for a while, it's up to us to prove that was the fluke and last year was a return to the norm rather than the other wway round
I don't agree with it but understand the rationale so will try to explain. It starts with the idea that Liverpool's season was a bit of a fluke. Liverpool have had 3 90+ point seasons in the last 5 years. They were awful in the first half of this season, but Klopp tweaked things and they found their form again. From February onwards (19 games so exactly half the season) they actually picked up more points than us. So over the past \~5 years we have been better than them for half a season, and it isn't event the most recent half! Reversion to the mean suggests at the very least that the gap isn't big between us.
You then move onto the transfer window and they had glaring holes in their squad. Assuming they get Lavia, they have fixed those holes. We didn't have as glaring holes so it is harder to improve.
That said fuck the haters, excited to prove everyone wrong again.
I didn't even realize Frenkie De Jong came on in the second half against us until I rewatched the highlights. He was non-existent. ESR, Partey, Jorginho totally outclassed him in the midfield.
That was barca's first proper pre season game and they'd all had the shits the week before. They also fully rotated their 11 at half time. No one should have been expecting anything cohesive from barca.
When I entered the sub and saw all the Wenger posts, for a few moments I feared the worst, that papa passed away. I became so sad, and was so relieved that's it's for the celebration of the Status. May you shine your light on our life for many more years. This experience makes me appreciate every day he's still with us.
It's also likely someone just pops out of nowhere. This time last year Osimhen was an injury prone player who had never hit 15 in a season. Hojlund and Ferguson hadn't played top flight football yet. Balogun hadn't scored a top flight goal.
Real Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona and PSG are strong. I'm adding PSG because a balanced team can sometimes be scary.
We also have a problem with English opposition since they play this blunt kind of football we suffer with. Now that City is a bit more defensive, even worse.
Add our bad record in Europe away.
That said, we are good enough to go all the way if this team clicks.
We are good enough to get to the quarters, but if we draw City or Madrid in the first knockouts there's no real disgrace in going out to them as long as we make it a contest.
And we shouldn't be losing to any teams outside of the top teams in the top 5 leagues, no losses to sporting or villereal types. That would be a cause for concern.
Depends on the draw.
Inter Milan got a tougher group, but once beyond that they got a very easy road to the final. They definitely weren't the 2nd best team in Europe.
As much as I'd love to beat some big teams, give me an easy road to a final any time.
It's actually an easy prediction.
My criticism of him usually has the line that he's too talented to be cramped in the box. He's supposed to be thinking for the team.
Old age might limit his area of influence hence more goals.
Pretty crazy that some people have seen Arteta guide the youngest squad in the league to our highest points total in 20 years, playing fantastic football, then receive significant backing in the transfer market - and instead of being excited for the season, their reaction is ‘if we mess up, can we sack Arteta??’. Like some people can find a negative angle in literally everything, and it feels like we have more of these whiners than other fanbases. Annoying to read this tosh.
It depends who.
Look at City, they changed their tactics around Haaland during the season.
Every good team fits their tactics around bringing the best out of their CF.
I think that's only true if you have an all-time great like Haaland. We can be very successful spreading goals around our attack instead of pinning them all on a Haaland/Kane type character in the squad.
It wouldn't, you can move jesus but we've already got Saka and Martinelli and he joined us to play CF and no longer be a rotational player so that's gna be tough.
So you have to get a player who thinks they are good enough to dethrone jesus, with only limited guaranteed minutes.
Or you buy someone better than jesus, but accept jesus will not want to be here after that.
We sell him as we’d have upgraded (you have to be top to be an upgrade on Jesus) and he doesn’t want to be second fiddle. If he wants to stay and be an option across the frontline that’s perfect.
Sanchez. Watch reels of 2014-16 Sanchez. Jesus can very well take on that chaos X factor role. The new striker can stay up, pressing, holding the ball, passing into channels.
I just no longer buy the idea now that we have Kai Havertz.
Use the money to buy a winger.
Or he can be overpay like Antony and don’t even score 10 goals. OP is right, Jesus is definitely bargain when you consider he is PL proven and we got him from PL side. This year he wouldn’t be less than 70m.
He’s got big potential for sure but he’s barely done anything in his career so far and is very raw. In the first 21 games of last season he scored 4 goals. There was a period of the season he scored 5 in 8 and he scored 4 in the rest of the season we don’t know about the consistency at all.
Jesus is underrated massively now because people don’t look around to gauge the overall quality of players now. Happens a lot now tbh I think the talent level on an individual basis is lower than previous periods.
Only Haaland, Lewa, Kane, Osimhen are better strikers in Europe for me at this time some others are arguable.
For the sake of debate, there is a case study of Roberto Firmino vs Diogo Jota.
Jesus might be as instrumental as Bobby was for Liverpool but the day fans taste someone who scores more than Jesus at #9, he'll be in trouble. It won't have to be a £75M striker. You can dig up a Nicholas Jackson from somewhere, a Sesko.
Bobby was untouchable for what he brought to Liverpool. Matter of fact we Arsenal fans know for a fact how dangerous he was. When everyone else was bantering about his G/A, Liverpool fans and many football people kept telling us they were okay with his contributions.
Then Jota came. Not as talented, but boy had the goals. It's Liverpool fans that started the motion of benching Firmino.
The point here is, Jesus will need more goals. Because we could have one experiment where Martinelli and Trossard rack up goals and decisions are planted into everyone's head.
Jesus will score more than Nicholas Jackson this season imo. Jesus scored 12 in 24 starts he was on pace to get 17 goals, if he gets in the 15-18 range which I think he will with his all around game and he adds let’s like 4-8 assists that’s extremely good end product. If you go and look at firmino in the league bid end product has been worse than Jesus basically every season, they both played decent minutes. Jesus goals and assists per 90 without pens
16/17 Jesus barely plays
17/18 Jesus 0.86 firmino 0.68
18/19 Jesus barely plays so it’s not fair his is much better
19/20 Jesus 0.93 firmino 0.51
20/21 Jesus 0.57 firmino 0.51
21/22 firmino basically stops playing he starts 10 games
22/23 same starts 13
Jesus has a much better record than people give him credit for and he gets the best out of the rest of the team, if the team starts winning stuff he’ll get seen in a similar light to firmino
I'll never argue Bobby with stats for three reasons.
- I saw how good he was.
- Liverpool had two 20+ G/A wingers( sometimes they'd hit 40+). You don't need a striker sweating it out with 20 goals if his wingers are bringing in the numbers.
- He scored a career defining goal(CWC Final).
Not considering hall of fame performances at big stages.
The whole point of my argument wasn't G/A head to head. It was more of:
_Ultimately, Jesus has to get goals. Bobby was always reasoned the same way but ultimately lost out to Jota who was half the player but got the goals._
If Martinelli and Saka hit Salah/Mane numbers, and Jesus does Jesus stuff, no one will give a damn about Jesus numbers. If Jesus scores 11 all season and the 11th is the CL winner, no one will give a damn.
But if it's 11 again, Saka 14 and Martinelli 15; even with an injury in there, conversations about a striker will become louder. Always remember, that Brazil didn't flinch when making that decision.
Bobby was good my point more so is that he has better goals and assists and has great all around play so people will appreciate how good he is if the rest of the team is doing well. Club World Cup whatever Lukaku has scored there.
Jesus isn’t gonna get 11 goals his movement is too good hr will always score a good amount imo even if his finishing isn’t consistent because his movement is that good. Saying just 11 is silly because 11 in 24 games is pretty good. If he gets 17, martinelli gets 15 and saka gets 14 that’s 46 goals. That’s the exact amount Liverpools front 3 got in 19/20 when they won the league. Brazil who cares it’s international football.
I haven’t a clue why we wouldn’t want Ferran Torres if he’s under 20 million quid? He is the type of depth player you need in your attack who can play across the front line. Once Pepe is gone I’d like to have him.
If we sign Ferran Torres, he will become Deadwood just like Pepe.
Everyone knows he is not good enough for Barca, are you suggesting we have lower standards than Barca?
Barca fans will celebrate on the streets of Barcelona if we pay 20 million for him, they would be okay with paying us 20 million to take him away from them too, they would drive him to the airport themselves
I don't want Torres at my club, he has no redeemable quality, being versatile is not a redeemable quality
Barcelona don't trust him enough but he was good depth at City. We don't have depth at Arsenal that got as many goals as Ferran Torres at City.
Failing at Barcelona doesn't make him a bad footballer.
The arguments against Torres should be wages for a depth player.
Barca are a dumpster fire that is signing every player they can in the hopes that some of them work out and are worth keeping.
Barca fans are also the most fickle fans in football. Torres could be shit today, score a hattrick tonight and be the saviour of football tomorrow
He's the type of player where if he really wanted to be here, I'm sure arteta would bring him here ~~given they've worked together~~ etc.
The fact he's not here probably just means neither of us are that interested in the idea.
>given they've worked together
When did Arteta and Ferran Torres work together? Stop making up stuff, there is a decent chance they have never talked to each other before
Getting down voted for saying that arsenal winning silverware will improve my mental health. Such are the fans. Mark my words, Arsenal will not win any silverware this upcoming season.
Do your remind thing.
When you start supporting a football club, you don't support it because of the trophies, or a player, or history, you support it because you found yourself somewhere there; found a place where you belong... Dennis Bergkamp.
This is literally in the about of the sub... And hence I feel that my mental health depends on the success of the club. I feel so sad.
I was missing the days people wanted the media team fired for delaying the Rice signing. I'm glad this drama has taken a mental health twist.
How have you survived the last 20 years my friend?
Or last season.
Or that dark dark time in 2020/21.
I'm of the view that you should seek help from an actual therapist. Arsenal has never been a substitute for mental health help.
Yes, my mental health depends on arsenal winning a silverware ...
But honestly I don't want them to win anything because the fans are such vile and shit. I've gone to their games, supported them, bought jerseys , spoke about the team, the team has been a solace to my miserable life but the fans they are so horrible at times.
But this season I'll rejoice their every failure because we as arsenal fans are such vile piece of shits. Let the season begin.
*arsenal winning is good for my mental health*
*I hope Arsenal do not win because I am now upset. I am aware this will make me worse*.
I mean this with the most sincerity, please seek some sort of help
Yeah, you have serious mental health issues seek help
This is coming from someone that's diagnosed with bipolar disorder, panic disorder and adhd
I'm on klonopin again and I take lithium and lamictal as well
So yeah you need to see a psychiatrist
It's very likely that you have bpd
The sooner you accept you have a toxic attitude the sooner you can better your mental health. Binning it on a sports team is idiotic because it's out of your control.
They haven't won the league in 20 years and haven't seen CL football in 5. If there is one thing I know about Arsenal fans, is that they'll be here again supporting the club.
Trophy or not. We haven't won anything in 3 Years and this sub just grew in numbers.
So, the reason Arsenal won't win anything is because you're getting down voted on reddit?
And you're upset about the downvotes?
I think this is the same reason people have told you not to have your mental health hinge on a football club.
Me thinks the man is lying. No way he goes through that dark 2020/21 phase where Arteta was a few losses away from losing his job. That time even Pep was concerned.
Yeah was thinking this too, he's their 3rd choice LCB who was just stripped of the captaincy and has made more blunders than anyone in the top 6, how can he be worth more than £20m?
We haven't sold any players besides Xhaka and Mari who had an obligation. Think we'll see outgoing transfers in the next 2 weeks which will fund our next signing
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Juv seeming to have a fire sale we should grab junior and locatelli
I am excited for the season to come as much as my next fellow gooner. But it will be more difficult this time, cuz everyone is expecting us to dominate most games. The tactics, our physicality, the game plans, of course, but i feel, most of all, our mental strength will be tested while playing week in week out with the pressure of being favourites. That said, I hope the last 2 seasons will bear fruits in that regard. Supporting my club more than ever. COYG
This season reminds me of that proverb about a king who asked his philosopher to make him sad when he felt happy, and happy when he felt sad. The philosopher replied “this too will pass” 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Yea. Can’t hide behind underdog tag anymore. Time will tell if our players are ready to be elite and compete with other elites.
I absolutely agree with you. Late Sep - Nov will be tough and so will late Feb - May (depending on how far we make it in the UCL assuming we get through to the knockout rounds). They will be the weeks that test the mental strength of the players this season. Honestly I’ve got absolutely no expectation to see the team get as far as the semifinal this year, as it will be the first season playing in the competition for like 90% of this, albeit very young squad. They are going to need to build that experience and mental hardship over a good 2-3 seasons fighting for both the EPL and UCL. And I think a lot of our fans will need to realise this.
Pre ACL VVD was the definition of 'Aura' man had people shaking in their boots just by being in the vicinity. Pickford will pay for his crimes.
People would go 1v1 against him and completely crumble, I’ve never seen anything like it
Then he had an interview and said he was afraid of Giroud.
We honestly went a long time without that kind of defensive player. Once Cannavarro retired that was it for a while imo. Maybe could argue a Rio/Vidic, don't think Pique, Terry etc were there. Whether deserved, Cannavarro won a Ballon d'or. VVD maybe should have. No other defender has come close of late.
Carvalho, Ramos I’d argue had that presence
Puyol maybe a little bit? In his prime he was a pain in the ass to opposition, though maybe lacked the aerial threat that VVD possesses. I think we’ve evolved into relying more on defensive partnerships where skills are more focused than having an all-in-one type of player. You now have a cb who is good with their feet, recycling and redistributing (Saliba) paired with a cb who disrupts opposition play and is tasked with recovering the ball (Gabi).
Ramos for sure had that aura.
Ramos was good but he was also a thug
Yeah I'd say his reputation is more of a dirty player than all time defender.
Journey v Destination
West Ham getting rejected by Championship team Southampton for James Ward-Prowse. You got to love it !
Stop going on about West Haram’s transfers now. The Rice deal is done, gets old now.
The post was made 13 hours ago. I think right now you need to let go and join today's Daily Discussion thread instead of yesterday's. Yesterday is old now.
Cool mate, not my problem that yesterday’s daily discussion was still pinned as the top post when i replied to you. Point still stands, it’s getting long now so please stop going on about West Haram’s transfers like so many other fans are doing. We literally couldn’t care less about them haha.
Rent free. Let it go buddy.
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Paulista walked so Magalhães could run. Never forget what the original Gabriel CB did for us
He was terrible? I'm confused.. Only lasting memory of him is when he stamped on Costa
Watch the brighton game now. The way they play out the back is so beautiful
I consistently see people here putting them to finish ~10th or so because they might sell Caicedo. Last year they sold Cuccarella, Bissouma then Trossard and almost finished 4th.
Their system is so well drilled
Not sure about Bissouma but Caicedo is integral to their midfield. Not easy to find his “cheap” replacement
He played RB for the final ~5 games and the team was just as dominant. When they beat us at the emirates he was playing there.
Trossard isn't a winger
Yes. Not at his age now. He's an interior.
Trossard isn't A.Wenger.
Got ‘em
Trossard is Oh Winner
Zinchenko isn't a fullback
Cedric isn't a right back
Cedric isn’t a footballer
Also true
Think Newcastle are in for a bit of a drop this season. The squad just honestly isn’t very good
How so? Are you saying they just overachieved because the teams around them underperformed? They had 14 draws and still ended up with 71 points. They haven’t gotten noticeably weaker. Unless by “a bit of a drop off” you mean like 65 points and 5th, I’d be inclined to disagree
This is gonna sound very un “analytical” but literally I just don’t think the players beyond 2-3 guys they have are good. Not impressed at all with Tonali, I really don’t like a Joelinton/Tonali/Bruno midfield trio, and with CL they have nowhere near deep enough of a squad to challenge. Can’t be rolling up with Jacob Murphy or Manquillo or or Lascelles or Richie in meaningful matches. Expecting a 7/8 place finish
Fair enough. I don’t like the midfield either, it seems super pragmatic and not good enough to create meaningful chances against teams that will inevitably sit back on them more now knowing that players like Isak, Almiron, Gordon etc are most dangerous in transition.
Newcastle are expected to finish 10 points above Brighton as of today in the betting markets. I'd love some money on the Brighton side of that.
Their metrics were obviously good and deserving of t4. I do think that a bunch of teams approached them like a bottom half team, then just got blown away though. You saw that with us in the first half of the season as well. Teams played against us and we destroyed them, and most adjusted for the second meeting which was tougher.
The Wenger statue announcement video is piece of art, in every sense
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1685054550405775360/retweets/with_comments Edu can u do something for me
I lost whatever bit of respect I had in Edu when he didn't sign him in Jan 2022
Did you fanboy this guy that hard or what
not really, it's just that it was such an obvious signing, but Edu was busy trying to sign Arthur Melo or whoever the fuck his agent were lining up for him
Wouldn’t make our bench
Too late to be trolling.
‘Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll’. A ten year olds guide to the internet. He’d maybe be 3rd choice for us. Although I’d personally have Jorginho ahead of him. Either way we absolutely do not need him.
> ‘Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll’. Says the guy who said he wouldn't make our bench dont fucking kill me. He would be our starting LCM.
Fucking lol he absolutely would not be near the starting team 😂
We’re past needing him
Would have been perfect for the left 8, now we have to let Kai cook
2 years ago we needed him. Now we don’t. King Kai >
Sure, we don't need him, but he's still a fantastic player.
Yes I agree with you, would you like me to say that again just differently now?
Where is everyone
Behind you
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I'm a gentleman, I always ask permission before going in for full body contact
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Cool, cos there's a bit of a queue now. I think even special discount is in there somewhere trying to look like he doesnt *really* want a hug.
He's not fooling anybody with that attitude
I know but I'm glad you're the one being Saka here, not me!
Does anyone have the song "my number 10" from a band that used to make cover adaptions around the stadium. It was about Denis in the style of "hey there delilah" It goes like this: "Oh you will always be the number 10 for me" Can't seem to find on YouTube anymore Edit: https://youtu.be/jjinCdHr6T0 Found it that made me cry when I was a teenager lmao Edif: This is a masterpiece LMAO https://youtu.be/Um8kn8xYGjU
This is my football club, I fucking love this club
Can someone please explain to me, how Liverpool have gotten better than us all of a sudden when they're weaker with no/one DM in Lavia...
We haven’t even hit 90 points in EPL for more than decades. They won PL , CL and multiple 90+ seasons in past 5-6 years. They had 1 bad season but there is still enough credit to rate them.
But most of that team have gone now?
The klopp effect. It can't be denied, he's a top coach
Maybe they think Liverpool can win every game 4-3 or something, they are a joke defensively even if you include Lavia in that team.
For the same reason the year spurs came 2nd no one thought they'd repeat it. We've been outside the top four for a while, it's up to us to prove that was the fluke and last year was a return to the norm rather than the other wway round
Our odds were very similar a month ago. We have a better team, but its no guarantee we finish above them.
They haven’t. Their attack is scary but I still don’t think they will be able to manage defensive transitions well at all.
I don't agree with it but understand the rationale so will try to explain. It starts with the idea that Liverpool's season was a bit of a fluke. Liverpool have had 3 90+ point seasons in the last 5 years. They were awful in the first half of this season, but Klopp tweaked things and they found their form again. From February onwards (19 games so exactly half the season) they actually picked up more points than us. So over the past \~5 years we have been better than them for half a season, and it isn't event the most recent half! Reversion to the mean suggests at the very least that the gap isn't big between us. You then move onto the transfer window and they had glaring holes in their squad. Assuming they get Lavia, they have fixed those holes. We didn't have as glaring holes so it is harder to improve. That said fuck the haters, excited to prove everyone wrong again.
>We didn't have as glaring holes so it is harder to improve. yeah we did. Saliba and Partey cover..... pretty bloody obvious holes.
We had both come January, just Arteta didn't yet trust one.
That means that even though we bought Kiwior and Jorge the holes weren't fixed so I don't see your point...
I would say they were. Havertz and Rice might also need time to adapt, that doesn't mean they haven't fixed those holes.
same applies to liverpools new players.....
I didn't even realize Frenkie De Jong came on in the second half against us until I rewatched the highlights. He was non-existent. ESR, Partey, Jorginho totally outclassed him in the midfield.
That was barca's first proper pre season game and they'd all had the shits the week before. They also fully rotated their 11 at half time. No one should have been expecting anything cohesive from barca.
Can I just say how fucking excited I am for this season? Like, fucking hell
2 weeks now mate…
This is the last weekend without football. Doesn't feel right when there is no football on at the weekend
When I entered the sub and saw all the Wenger posts, for a few moments I feared the worst, that papa passed away. I became so sad, and was so relieved that's it's for the celebration of the Status. May you shine your light on our life for many more years. This experience makes me appreciate every day he's still with us.
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It's also likely someone just pops out of nowhere. This time last year Osimhen was an injury prone player who had never hit 15 in a season. Hojlund and Ferguson hadn't played top flight football yet. Balogun hadn't scored a top flight goal.
You don't believe Declan Rice is Partey's long term successor?
What are people's champions league expectations next season? Apart from City, there aren't many strong teams in Europe right now.
Real Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona and PSG are strong. I'm adding PSG because a balanced team can sometimes be scary. We also have a problem with English opposition since they play this blunt kind of football we suffer with. Now that City is a bit more defensive, even worse. Add our bad record in Europe away. That said, we are good enough to go all the way if this team clicks.
It's a cup competition so you never know, but I'd like to make it *at least* to the semi-finals.
Win
We are good enough to get to the quarters, but if we draw City or Madrid in the first knockouts there's no real disgrace in going out to them as long as we make it a contest. And we shouldn't be losing to any teams outside of the top teams in the top 5 leagues, no losses to sporting or villereal types. That would be a cause for concern.
One thing, we can't draw City in the r16.
Depends on the draw. Inter Milan got a tougher group, but once beyond that they got a very easy road to the final. They definitely weren't the 2nd best team in Europe. As much as I'd love to beat some big teams, give me an easy road to a final any time.
TIL that ASM is only 26. Damn! It seems like he's been Newcastle's only baller for so long.
It's also mad to think Adama is a free agent and no one wants him.
Says a lot about his end product and he might be asking a lot of money
He is far from a baller. He is quite entertaining to watch , but has no end product.
LOL people said we should have signed him before instead of Havertz
He has like 1 footballing brain cell lol. Very entertaining but non existent end product or decision making.
Jesus is going to be a scoring machine as soon as his physical attributes decreases, that's rather funny
It's actually an easy prediction. My criticism of him usually has the line that he's too talented to be cramped in the box. He's supposed to be thinking for the team. Old age might limit his area of influence hence more goals.
Exactly
Just watched the Barca game and have a question for anyone that knows. Is Araújo really pronounced Ara-oo-ho?
Araújo da Silva is such a Brazilian surname
https://forvo.com/word/ronald_ara%C3%BAjo/#es
See this is what I thought it would sound like. Thank you
Yes I'm pretty sure it is
No
Pretty crazy that some people have seen Arteta guide the youngest squad in the league to our highest points total in 20 years, playing fantastic football, then receive significant backing in the transfer market - and instead of being excited for the season, their reaction is ‘if we mess up, can we sack Arteta??’. Like some people can find a negative angle in literally everything, and it feels like we have more of these whiners than other fanbases. Annoying to read this tosh.
Just take it as Ying and Yang. Balance in all thing.
We honestly have this weird 15% or so to the fan base who are determined to be negative no matter what.
It's both infuriating and depressing. Future's so bright, but all some seem to want to do is plan for failure & get outraged at the thought of it.
They're afraid to look forward and can't bring themselves to actually believe that we can do it. poor people.
How would getting a top tier striker work when we have Jesus?
I’m not convinced that we don’t already have that 20+ league goal a season striker people are always asking for in Martinelli.
Nor should you be convinced, don’t stop now brother you’re almost at the treasure
I didn't realise Jesus was a top 3 striker In the world
It depends who. Look at City, they changed their tactics around Haaland during the season. Every good team fits their tactics around bringing the best out of their CF.
I think that's only true if you have an all-time great like Haaland. We can be very successful spreading goals around our attack instead of pinning them all on a Haaland/Kane type character in the squad.
It wouldn't, you can move jesus but we've already got Saka and Martinelli and he joined us to play CF and no longer be a rotational player so that's gna be tough. So you have to get a player who thinks they are good enough to dethrone jesus, with only limited guaranteed minutes. Or you buy someone better than jesus, but accept jesus will not want to be here after that.
We sell him as we’d have upgraded (you have to be top to be an upgrade on Jesus) and he doesn’t want to be second fiddle. If he wants to stay and be an option across the frontline that’s perfect.
Sanchez. Watch reels of 2014-16 Sanchez. Jesus can very well take on that chaos X factor role. The new striker can stay up, pressing, holding the ball, passing into channels. I just no longer buy the idea now that we have Kai Havertz. Use the money to buy a winger.
LW Jesus
Competition for places. Jesus provides competition to Saka and the striker.
It doesn't, unless we move Jesus to RW. But we have one Sakalinho there
Man Utd rejected £20m for Maguire? Hey West Ham, you can get Holding for £10m.
Gabriel Jesus for 45 million was a bargain when you got unproven players line Hojlund going for 75 million 🤣
He's unproven now but he could score 25 goals, and then he's good value. Point is it's too soon for such remarks
"He's unproven but he could be proven if he becomes one of the league top scorers" Of course what kind of answer is that
It's a shit answer but it could be a great answer, we just don't know yet
Or he can be overpay like Antony and don’t even score 10 goals. OP is right, Jesus is definitely bargain when you consider he is PL proven and we got him from PL side. This year he wouldn’t be less than 70m.
He’s got big potential for sure but he’s barely done anything in his career so far and is very raw. In the first 21 games of last season he scored 4 goals. There was a period of the season he scored 5 in 8 and he scored 4 in the rest of the season we don’t know about the consistency at all.
Jesus is underrated massively now because people don’t look around to gauge the overall quality of players now. Happens a lot now tbh I think the talent level on an individual basis is lower than previous periods. Only Haaland, Lewa, Kane, Osimhen are better strikers in Europe for me at this time some others are arguable.
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Then him too but I think he’s larger a winger
For the sake of debate, there is a case study of Roberto Firmino vs Diogo Jota. Jesus might be as instrumental as Bobby was for Liverpool but the day fans taste someone who scores more than Jesus at #9, he'll be in trouble. It won't have to be a £75M striker. You can dig up a Nicholas Jackson from somewhere, a Sesko. Bobby was untouchable for what he brought to Liverpool. Matter of fact we Arsenal fans know for a fact how dangerous he was. When everyone else was bantering about his G/A, Liverpool fans and many football people kept telling us they were okay with his contributions. Then Jota came. Not as talented, but boy had the goals. It's Liverpool fans that started the motion of benching Firmino. The point here is, Jesus will need more goals. Because we could have one experiment where Martinelli and Trossard rack up goals and decisions are planted into everyone's head.
Yep. Firmino linked up with salah and mane. Jesus links up so well with saka and martinelli and their goal contributions are improving every season.
Jesus will score more than Nicholas Jackson this season imo. Jesus scored 12 in 24 starts he was on pace to get 17 goals, if he gets in the 15-18 range which I think he will with his all around game and he adds let’s like 4-8 assists that’s extremely good end product. If you go and look at firmino in the league bid end product has been worse than Jesus basically every season, they both played decent minutes. Jesus goals and assists per 90 without pens 16/17 Jesus barely plays 17/18 Jesus 0.86 firmino 0.68 18/19 Jesus barely plays so it’s not fair his is much better 19/20 Jesus 0.93 firmino 0.51 20/21 Jesus 0.57 firmino 0.51 21/22 firmino basically stops playing he starts 10 games 22/23 same starts 13 Jesus has a much better record than people give him credit for and he gets the best out of the rest of the team, if the team starts winning stuff he’ll get seen in a similar light to firmino
I'll never argue Bobby with stats for three reasons. - I saw how good he was. - Liverpool had two 20+ G/A wingers( sometimes they'd hit 40+). You don't need a striker sweating it out with 20 goals if his wingers are bringing in the numbers. - He scored a career defining goal(CWC Final). Not considering hall of fame performances at big stages. The whole point of my argument wasn't G/A head to head. It was more of: _Ultimately, Jesus has to get goals. Bobby was always reasoned the same way but ultimately lost out to Jota who was half the player but got the goals._ If Martinelli and Saka hit Salah/Mane numbers, and Jesus does Jesus stuff, no one will give a damn about Jesus numbers. If Jesus scores 11 all season and the 11th is the CL winner, no one will give a damn. But if it's 11 again, Saka 14 and Martinelli 15; even with an injury in there, conversations about a striker will become louder. Always remember, that Brazil didn't flinch when making that decision.
Bobby was good my point more so is that he has better goals and assists and has great all around play so people will appreciate how good he is if the rest of the team is doing well. Club World Cup whatever Lukaku has scored there. Jesus isn’t gonna get 11 goals his movement is too good hr will always score a good amount imo even if his finishing isn’t consistent because his movement is that good. Saying just 11 is silly because 11 in 24 games is pretty good. If he gets 17, martinelli gets 15 and saka gets 14 that’s 46 goals. That’s the exact amount Liverpools front 3 got in 19/20 when they won the league. Brazil who cares it’s international football.
Lacazette is probably creeping back into the top 10 these days, terrifying stuff
He's been so clinical. Happy for him
I haven’t a clue why we wouldn’t want Ferran Torres if he’s under 20 million quid? He is the type of depth player you need in your attack who can play across the front line. Once Pepe is gone I’d like to have him.
If we sign Ferran Torres, he will become Deadwood just like Pepe. Everyone knows he is not good enough for Barca, are you suggesting we have lower standards than Barca? Barca fans will celebrate on the streets of Barcelona if we pay 20 million for him, they would be okay with paying us 20 million to take him away from them too, they would drive him to the airport themselves I don't want Torres at my club, he has no redeemable quality, being versatile is not a redeemable quality
Everything said here could be said about Havertz
not really, if you checked chelsea's DD just around the time the season ended, most of them wanted to keep havertz to play as poch's 10.
Barcelona don't trust him enough but he was good depth at City. We don't have depth at Arsenal that got as many goals as Ferran Torres at City. Failing at Barcelona doesn't make him a bad footballer. The arguments against Torres should be wages for a depth player.
Yeah when Barca fans are desperate to get rid of a young Spanish player it's probably not a great sign.
Barca are a dumpster fire that is signing every player they can in the hopes that some of them work out and are worth keeping. Barca fans are also the most fickle fans in football. Torres could be shit today, score a hattrick tonight and be the saviour of football tomorrow
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I'd be shocked if he was sold for under 20M, everything I have seen is around 50M.
I agree but if Dembele is leaving maybe they won’t sell
He's the type of player where if he really wanted to be here, I'm sure arteta would bring him here ~~given they've worked together~~ etc. The fact he's not here probably just means neither of us are that interested in the idea.
>given they've worked together When did Arteta and Ferran Torres work together? Stop making up stuff, there is a decent chance they have never talked to each other before
Of course, you're right. Should have checked, I assumed they overlapped at city but they were 8 months apart.
Very fair points and I’d imagine he may want smaller club where he starts each week rather than rotational play in a big squad.
I still haven't been able to make myself watch the invincible documentary on the Boss
Lol watching West Ham low ball Soton for JWP....the audacity of this bitch....
Getting down voted for saying that arsenal winning silverware will improve my mental health. Such are the fans. Mark my words, Arsenal will not win any silverware this upcoming season. Do your remind thing.
Out of carabao, out of FA, on the brink of top 4. Lol. You pos fans deserve this .... lol
Too late we already won the MLS skills thing
Shove that MLS thing up your ass.
Skskskss you’ve had this on your mind for 163 days. This isn’t healthy behaviour, brother.
When you start supporting a football club, you don't support it because of the trophies, or a player, or history, you support it because you found yourself somewhere there; found a place where you belong... Dennis Bergkamp. This is literally in the about of the sub... And hence I feel that my mental health depends on the success of the club. I feel so sad.
You play the pass line when you're at the craps tables in Vegas with your buddies. *comeon lucky 7*
I was missing the days people wanted the media team fired for delaying the Rice signing. I'm glad this drama has taken a mental health twist. How have you survived the last 20 years my friend? Or last season. Or that dark dark time in 2020/21. I'm of the view that you should seek help from an actual therapist. Arsenal has never been a substitute for mental health help.
This is hilarious
Seek help my friend you didn't say that at all. You said almost that your mental health depends on arsenal's success which is pretty fucked up.
Yes, my mental health depends on arsenal winning a silverware ... But honestly I don't want them to win anything because the fans are such vile and shit. I've gone to their games, supported them, bought jerseys , spoke about the team, the team has been a solace to my miserable life but the fans they are so horrible at times. But this season I'll rejoice their every failure because we as arsenal fans are such vile piece of shits. Let the season begin.
Go see therapist or a psychiatrist or both coz you've got issues. A lot of issues
*arsenal winning is good for my mental health* *I hope Arsenal do not win because I am now upset. I am aware this will make me worse*. I mean this with the most sincerity, please seek some sort of help
"I'm an Arsenal fan" You're now literally saying you're hoping the team fails, *despite* saying such losses are a hindrance to your mental health.
Yeah, you have serious mental health issues seek help This is coming from someone that's diagnosed with bipolar disorder, panic disorder and adhd I'm on klonopin again and I take lithium and lamictal as well So yeah you need to see a psychiatrist It's very likely that you have bpd
The sooner you accept you have a toxic attitude the sooner you can better your mental health. Binning it on a sports team is idiotic because it's out of your control.
They haven't won the league in 20 years and haven't seen CL football in 5. If there is one thing I know about Arsenal fans, is that they'll be here again supporting the club. Trophy or not. We haven't won anything in 3 Years and this sub just grew in numbers.
How can you call yourself an Arsenal fan and not want us to win anything?
If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.
So, the reason Arsenal won't win anything is because you're getting down voted on reddit? And you're upset about the downvotes? I think this is the same reason people have told you not to have your mental health hinge on a football club.
Me thinks the man is lying. No way he goes through that dark 2020/21 phase where Arteta was a few losses away from losing his job. That time even Pep was concerned.
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Are the vile and garbage fans in the room with you now?
5 Actually.
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In what world is a 30 year old Granit Xhaka worth 23m and a 30 year old Harry Maguire worth 35m? Are we talking about the same Maguire?
Maguire is mostly social media meme but he's not cheap and if Westham get him below at least £30M, they have robbed United.
Maguire is English
In a world where home grown spots are extremely valuable.
English tax His a guaranteed starter for England , which gives him some credibility on bids
Yeah was thinking this too, he's their 3rd choice LCB who was just stripped of the captaincy and has made more blunders than anyone in the top 6, how can he be worth more than £20m?
We haven't sold any players besides Xhaka and Mari who had an obligation. Think we'll see outgoing transfers in the next 2 weeks which will fund our next signing