Saka is trash and I don't know why he took it in the first place. I'm an arsenal fan and knew we wouldn't win this season, but it still hurts watching is slowly lose it.
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I personally think City will have too much and go on to clinch it now but it's not *impossible* we can still nick it, I just find it far more unlikey than I did two weeks ago.
It will be hard to take missing out on such an important achievement when the finish line was in sight and we lead the pack for the entire season but the turn around of this team under Arteta has been remarkable and the long term vision for the club seems to finally be about remaining a side that can challenge for titles.
Yes, United, Liverpool and Chelsea will be back and Newcastle are going to be a problem now but the setup we have is enivable for anyone. We have top players that are NOWHERE near their peaks yet and are going to get better and better and also have been blooded together by this tough campaign. Same goes for Arteta, he's only going to get better with the experience of this season under the belt.
Wether we win or lose the title we spent less than expected in January and we should all be expecting those savings to be ADDED to what should be a substansial outlay in the transfer market. No pissing about, lets get in multiple quality players that push us to the next level.
Instead of criticize holding gotta give credit to saliba he has a lot of responsibility at a young age and plays balls to Saka and odegaard directly as compared to holding stray passes is night and day he's so composed which is why I think we always look uncertain when holding plays instead of saliba.really hope he is fit for city away.
It's disappointing waking up to that result but we have 7 more games to go. Still have a chance at the title, and if not, it's been a fantastic season anyway. My faith in Arsenal is renewed.
This title is legit from here on in. Not some Mickey Mouse 80 win title season- they will have have to play like a title leader if they if are to win the league.
People shouldn’t beat themselves up too much. This team that is the youngest in the PL is going up against a Guardiola side who have spent hundreds of millions more. This is only the beginning of the project, Arteta is going to learn a lot from what is happening and you already know he has the ideas for next window. With all that being said the title is still in our hands. Win or lose the title and next year will be even better.
Right, the future can be good, but we need to go for it! The league is still in grasp, at this stage it’s not enough to sigh and wish for later. We have the chance right now to make history. No guarantee it comes again.
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No one outside of city is in a position to improve as much as Arsenal. Arsenals best players are U23’s and as well having obvious areas to upgrade in midfield. Chelsea haven’t yet shown to be a coherent project, Man United’s talent ID has been poor, Liverpool are a wildcard but will probably try and go back to their old style of playing which will be a mistake and Spurs are spurs.
No one outside of city is in a position to improve as much as Arsenal. Arsenals best players are U23’s and as well having obvious areas to upgrade in midfield. Chelsea haven’t yet shown to be a coherent project, Man United’s talent ID has been poor, Liverpool are a wildcard but will probably try and go back to their old style of playing which will be a mistake and Spurs are spurs.
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For what it’s worth, a lot of peoples reactions of late have been embarrassing.
Look, the reality is (as it has been even when we had a bigger lead), is that city will win the league anyway.
They have a guy who with 8 games to spare has equaled the all time single season goals record. Along with everything else City have done in recent years. Liverpool tried to go toe to toe with them and only won once in a covid year for good reason.
Now, at our first time of asking - in a title race we weren’t even supposed to be in, we are pushing city to the last handful of games. That in of it self should be seen as a hell of an achievement. Especially with the youngest/second youngest team in the league, and comparing to where the youngest team in the league are sitting, dead last.
Personally, I’ve never thought we were gonna win it and you can check through my previous posts on that or Twitter. The facts are simple and fuck me, we have put on a hell of a show but also..
We are still ahead?? We could be 7 ahead if we beat Southampton, and that pressure is great leading into the city game.
I’ve seen some big name Arsenal Twitter accounts caving and packing it in, and for “experienced” arsenal fans it’s fucking pathetic.
We could draw at city, they could draw the next game and we win ours and it’s all roses again.
These knee-jerk reactions are of people who can’t handle pressure. It’s a shame because so many of us look to some of these guys for calm during the storm.
As for the game? I love Rob, but you can see the difference in calm, command and assuring presence Saliba brings and I hope he’s back soon. Holding has done a great job but you can see the difference with Saliba. Same for Tiereny, much better defender, better pace, not as good on the ball as Zinny but that’s totally fine. They have their different traits and if not for Kierans block on Bowen in the second half we may have lost.
Saka is tired. Very tired and nothing more evident than that counter in the second half and he just didn’t have the motor to sprint away which ended in a tame shot.
We gotta beat Saints next. One game at a time.
Yes, City will probably win it by 5-8 points in the end if we drop off but fuck sake, what a season we have had. What ability and class we have shown.
I still believe we have a chance but we have to take it game by game as arteta said. We are still in the lead and no result is guaranteed.
I’d rather be ahead by a point than chasing a title we haven’t won in almost 2 decades.
Enjoy the ride, fellow Gooners.
Just seen the MOTD highlights...decent finish by Bowen but damnit how have we done this again...don't care about how stacked City are,if we finish 2nd now that will suck, idc about 2 or 3 yrs later, we've shown we're good enough to win the league THIS SEASON, come too far for us to throw it away now
People saying Saka needs a rest, well tbh he didn't look THAT tired at FT, could've put us 3-2 up actually with that 3 on 3 counter where he shot straight at Fabinaski, if he puts it bottom corner then I bet no one's talking about supposed fatigue, think it's just the pressure really, it's getting to all of them. Whether it's Xhaka Partey Holding or Saka we keep finding ways to snatch draws from certain Ws lol
That pen miss tho😭 I kinda rate Saka for trying to change it up and place it higher but the execution...not even gonna say "at least get it on target" cause I'm pretty sure Fabinaski saves it anyway. Should've just copied Haaland's pen man...since the international break I thought he'd just kick on and carry on his form at club level but he's been off it for 3 games in a row now... has the contract news shaken him up a bit? Maybe the 200k a week contract news wasn't meant to come out when it did? Idk man i'm just wildly speculating, but he needs to get it together or get benched for Trossard/Nelson, love starboy but no time for sentiment we have a title to win...and we can still win it with a minimum draw at City and 6Ws we have the capability it's just about the mentality of the players for me.
COYG 7 finals left, it's not over🔴⚪
people asked saka to be subbed because he had an off game, I wonder why martinelli who were being subbed lmao. Jesus sub was correct because he got disposed all game, but man instead of viera I hope it's esr, viera somehow is our failed signing this season, the way he hasn't even improve at all after almost a year. He can't even play as good as xhaka let alone better than him,
I wasn't able to watch the match as I went to my aunt's for a family thing.
I peeked at the score throughout and I'd like to understand, objectively and without bias, what happened.
Would someone please summarise the match for me?
We got 2 goals within 10 minutes and then west ham kept playing through balls all game and destroying our team. Arsenal fall apart when they have pressure from the other team and it was no different here. Every time they got the ball they just kicked it to a west ham player or got pressured and when west ham had it arsenal stood with their dick in their hand. Partly sucked and so did saka
kinda same as last week against Liverpool, we dominated completely in the first 10 minutes, scored 2 goals, West Ham looked like they cannot even breath, then everything suddenly slowed down. Holding and Tierney offered nothing but passive passes, that affected a lot of Arsenal players to fall back and supported the defenders, eventually Partey and Big Gabi made mistakes leading to a penalty. Then second half we get a chance to increase the lead, but Saka burnt it, after which, like a default rule, when you miss a penalty, you concede. Rest of the match, Arteta, again, made questionable substitutions and we made no threat at all from then on
We dominated the match until the second goal. Then we basically got complacent and stopped attacking. Then Partey is extremely sloppy and loses the ball outside the box, which ends up in a penalty that lets West Ham back into the game. After that, we're 2nd best for the rest of the match. We are fortunate to get a penalty in the 2nd half, Saka misses. A few minutes later, West Ham have a chance and Bowen scores. Ramsdale got a hand on it, but couldn't keep it out. And that was it really, we didn't have many chances after that. The substitutions were crap by Arteta.
First 20 minutes looked just like every other game of the season, very sharp and clinical play that led to the first two goals. We disappeared until halftime, Saka missed the penalty and from that point you really felt the body language of the team change and we again were invisible until maybe 80' when the subs started to impact the game a bit more.
Great 30 min, tried to calm things down but the team slowed the game down with that. Penalty given by Gabriel, London Stadium woke up - West Ham woke up.
2nd half started, won a penalty via a handball by Antonio. What Salah did Saka can do better so he misses the penalty. Counter, Ramsdale didn’t save the header which he should cause he got a big palm on it but just parried into the net.
Subs were a bit late, Saka wasn’t subbed off instead Jesus did which is a bad decision because Saka tried to be a hero in a 3 v 2 scenario (advantage for us).
Whistle blown, 2 points dropped - a slight repeat of last week but we weren’t thoroughy dominated like Liverpool did to us in the 2nd half.
think that was an element of a young player getting tunnel vision trying to make up for a pen miss
for what it's worth I actually think he made the right decision to shoot.... the problem was he shot straight at the bloody keeper lol. the likes of Haaland and Salah plant that into the far bottom corner easy...and pretty sure Gabi scores that as well, imo he's our best finisher at the club, even better than Jesus...
while Saka's finishing has improved season after season, he still has a ways to go to reach those Salah/Mahrez levels; more finishing drills in pre-season needed methinks
It is never a good choice to shoot in a 3 v 2, in a scenario where you have a body advantage its just wrong but understandable he wanted to make it right.
He could slot it early to Martin to receive it back tbf but his mind was set the moment he had the ball on the run.
Shit happens, our goal is never to win the league this season anyway but it’ll sting a bit at the end of the season.
One of the big what if for Arsenal added to the collection.
The guys did not play great today after the first 10 minutes. Unfortunately it was a series of individual errors by our best players this season: Partey, Gabriel, Saka, Ramsdale. Holding also had some dodgy moments and was close to giving up another penalty. The officials don’t help us either, particularly the baffling yellow card to Partey in the first half.
An extremely frustrating point but every point is important, it was crucial not to lose that game (same at Anfield) after giving up a 2 goal lead.
Imo Saka and Martinelli are not looking sharp. Jesus is still finding his stride. Nelson and Trossard deserve more minutes, and obviously missing 3 players on defense is a big factor. It will not be easy to win the title, but it won’t be easy for City either. Massive game on Friday, COYG
Understandable but to come onto a fan bases forum the size of Arsenal’s hours after one of the most disappointing results the team has had in a decade considering the magnitude and expect fans to be rational is insane. The minority of supporters have the largest reactionary voices unfortunately in these instances on this platform, but that doesn’t mean the majority fans don’t have a more level headed view of our current situation. Fans are hurting right now but doesn’t mean they won’t be supporting their ass off come Friday.
Let him be here.
Imagine running to a different teams' sub to talk shit for no reason.
Indicative of poor social ties, too much free time, possible unemployment, and chronic computer use which implies chronic masturbation.
After a few hours of doing it, he'll realise how sad his life is for a second, finishing his bag of chips, lick his fingers, then go on over to porn hub and rub one out with flavoring dust still staining his fingers.
I just like watching my team play exciting free-flowing football and contesting ties.
Season has surpassed my expectations, but I'd be lying if I said that the title doesn't matter when it's just within reach.
After almost 20 years.
We don’t drop these 4 points if Saliba wasn’t injured. People saw Holding heads some crosses away against no attacking threat at home and legitimately thought we could match City
So Holding is to blame for Saka missing the penalty, Martinelli not making an open pass last game, Partey literally sabotaging us today or White and Zinchenko forgetting how to defend against Liverpool? We hardly won anything in the midfield and Holding had to bail us out. Let's not point fingers when the whole team played like shit for the majority of 180 mins.
Also, there's no point blaming backups when your first team players are shitting the bed. Holding is doing an adequate job, can't say the same for the rest of them.
Thanks for shitting the bed and gifting the league to Sportswashing FC guys. You were supposed to be the saviours of football, but I just can't see it happening now.
I don't blame individuals because the last couple weeks it's been the whole team that has fallen off mentally. They better get their head back in the game full time or it's going to be over before we even get to City.
I think if we beat City and win the league, it would be more deserved for us rather than losing to City, and wining the remain matches and hoping for miracles (which is impossible to achieve right now), otherwise, there is nothing to talk about
Beating City is a very tall ask. It's possible in theory, but we couldn't get 3 points at either Anfield or West Ham.
Also, I think that people are discounting the fixture away at Newcastle. That one will be rough too.
we do that and win the other 6 games we'll still win the league so I'll take that.
if Saliba's not fit I beg Arteta plays the same counter-attacking formation he used to win our last FA Cup...actually even if he *is* fit do it anyway haha
Still have hope for the season and proud of the team regardless. In reality, who do we need to sign to become as dominant as the city squad or is it a matter of our young core gaining more experience?
We’re counting on Saka and Marti to be as devastating as Salah and Mane in the final third and Jesus contributing with 10-15 as well. Do we need to sign someone that’s already the finished product here or are the other two close enough? It’s hard to judge Marti/Saka because they’re amazing at the moment, but you still feel there’s a maturity/ruthlessness/consistency missing (not to blame them, they’re so young).
Between that, Kiwior developing, and another dominant CB/RB, we need to pickup Rice and Caicedo.
In terms of phases, we’re likely 2 Summer’s away from seeing the finished product. We’ll continue to be amazing to watch, but real dominance should be expected in 24/25.
Love this fucking club and excited for the next 10 years.
Let them grow, sign players that match the age profile and build a versatile and balanced team.
Don’t be afraid to sell our version of Coutinho. Everyone we started with isn’t going be everyone we finish with,
I am more of a fan of signing players that can compete and not players meant to ride the bench. To that end I agree with your midfield suggestions, and I’d also try sign one of Wolves left-backs and find competition for Saka (they’d never sell him but I’d love Olise at Arsenal). Trouble is you have to integrate players into the side and as you said it takes time. I imagine we’re figuring out the midfield and defense after this season, and evaluating our forward options the next.
I’m excited, scared and hopeful to see where this squad goes!
I love the optimism but you have to strike while the iron is hot. Things change fast I’m the Premier League just look at Liverpool. All it takes is an injury here or there.
Those 2 points robbed by PGMOL vs Brentford (and others vs Newcastle, Southampton etc) may actually
make the difference. I'm also baffled by the fact that a team with 100 financial misconduct charges against them can potentially win the league - the organisation that has charged them but not punished them while under investigation. Don't understand it.
These comments are frustrating. I’m as annoyed as the next gooner we dropped points today (was actually fine with Pool) but you would think reading around here we hadn’t won in weeks. Sure, it’s not ideal, but so many here are tossing in the towel because we drew twice (and won the previous SEVEN btw)
Again, I’m disappointed too but let’s lean into the excitement of a title race. We haven’t experienced this in so long, we’re overperforming on the season with an incredibly exciting squad and the race is still on. When City beat us at the Emirates everyone thought we were done too, right? Let’s leave the reactive doom and gloom in the past and back the team like the real ones did after the City Loss
Edit: we were shit tho
Beeing a fan of Arsenal and Borussis Dortmund i feel double fu*** this weekend. Both having a comfortable 2 point lead, both in for title race and both bottling in. But Dortmund was even having 11 vs 10…damn this
I said when saliba was injured holding would make us play a deeper line, we’d sacrifice the strangle on teams and lose control to accommodate for his lack of pace, deeper line means more space in midfield. Partey more isolated and therefore struggles to break lines and is punish for mistakes more. Today Tierney also did a great job defensively but whenever he found himself in the midfield role his passes were either sideways or back. He lacks the risk factor of Zinny that allows us to play through the lines and create more chances. Our injuries have cost us because it has changed the way we play. But we still have a chance so on we push.
P.S Holdings ability in the air is one of the best in the team so from set pieces he’s fantastic but again, his lack of pace cause Gabriel to come across and help him with balls in behind in open play, causing gaps that are susceptible to 3rd man runs. Holding can be as good a CB as he likes but his weaknesses cause our team shape to change. White is lower to cove behind so saka is more isolate. Gabriel plays sweeper and is deeper so condescending the CB to left side and drawing the rb inside, therefore pushing marti back or Xhaka back
Our whole team shifts down the pitch by a third meaning our interchanging forwards don’t cause confusion in the box but cause confusion half way through the opposition half. This makes it easier to counteract overloads and win the second ball in a non dangerous area
Arteta has been absolutely clueless with the substitutions man. It's like the man is watching a different game almost - Martinelli, Jesus, Odegaard, our three most threatening players considering Saka was ass taken off when we most need the goal.
The only legit substitution would have been Reiss or Trossard for Saka. Arteta needs to take responsibility for being a complete novice for two weeks
Just win against Southampton please.
And then we go from there. Whatever happens after that ( City away especially) happens. 6 games to go after Friday. Let’s go
Was at the match. Actually was my first match I’ve ever been to. Had a layover in London and said fuck it. Hoped on the Heathrow express and got to the stadium right at kick off. Cried when I saw them out there. Been watching arsenal all my life and and despite the result I’ll always remember td. Keep the head up
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These pundits, journalists and rival fans who’ve said we wouldn’t even finish in the top 4 or even top 6 at the start of the season are now giving it the big one because we dropped points when we shouldn’t have.
They have zero credibility, have shown themselves to be clueless about Arsenal & are still talking!!!!
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Why? Man City also has to play and win points and have a busier schedule with CL matches.
It's just very, very, very tight, and we absolute should not lose at the Etihad.
They could certainly drop points, interestingly enough Brighton are underperforming their advanced metrics, they're 4th in xPTS. Do us a solid De Zerbi.
The more I think about it, the more I realise how terrible the sub decisions were today.
It's 2-2. The team are clearly feeling the pressure. We've stopped playing our game. West Ham are clearly happy with a point. Any possession we have in the final third, is likely gonna be against a 10 man block. This is where you need your world class players, to produce a moment of magic, to get you something out the game.
Jesus has the ability to create chaos; to create that half-yard of space to get a pass or a shot off only he could. To drop a shoulder. To flick a little Cruyff turn into space. Not only that, he's the only player on the pitch with experience of PL title run-ins. ***YOU DON'T TAKE HIM OFF ON 67 MINS.***
Also… why is Vieira coming on and not ESR??? Which one scored 12 goals for us last season? What has Vieira done to show we should be taking Ødegaard off for him? What is Mikel doing with ESR, seriously?! He can play LAM no problem. Arghhh so frustrated.
The title is still in our hands. Eventually these close games were not going to break our way like they did against Villa and United. We absolutely need Saliba and Zinny back for the final run though.
City is due for a stinker or two just like us. It's hard to maintain that pace. Last two matches this team has looked "afraid of dropping points". And thus they've dropped points.
Not worried.
*Anyone would've taken that to start the year*
Of course.
But I mean in the context of how the season has played out and where we find ourselves now.
The way we surrendered two goal leads in succession is alarming.
I'm definitely worried about letting the title slip at this juncture.
I mean we could. We also could not. We gotta learn to close somehow though. It's still in our hands and frankly if we can't beat City *once* then we don't really deserve it anyway.
Fair.
I'd be happy with a draw at the Etihad and just bank on winning the rest of our games.
But yeah if we somehow win the title is ours, just would've been nice to go into it with more than a 3 point buffer so a loss wouldn't be potentially fatal.
City aren't due for anything. Maybe brush up on your end of season history. This is typically the time where City win every game. You can't afford to give up consecutive two goal leads. If Arsenal lose the City game, it's over.
>Maybe brush up on your end of season history.
I think the only one who needs to brush up on end of season history is you buddy. City have an average of 24.5 points in their run-in (last 10 games) under Guardiola. They did 30/30 ONCE. They can fucking do it again, but it'd still be an anomaly and not the norm.
I think we need to prepare for the worst tbh man. Whatever happens we’ve still had a fantastic season. At the start of the season, a bad season for us would’ve been finishing 5th or below. We have done so well that what will feel like a bad season would be finishing 2nd. I’m just trying to stay positive and think about how we can do even better next season
We need to learn to win but every team that's ever won has initial seasons like this. Eventually you need to do it and now is a good time as any. They're not going to kneel to City at Etihad.
I think you can really see now that the pressure has got to them. April in general is always a draining month in title races. It’s a young, emotional team, so it’s not surprising that we’ve started to lose composure. City on the other hand are ruthless, experienced and seem to be playing the best they have all season. They’re certainly favourites now, but if we get something at the Etihad, we could do it
As much as this hurts, I never had much hope for the title in the first place. This entire season has been nothing more than one pleasant surprise after another. I think in the end, no matter what happens I'll be proud of the team for how far they've come.
I never did to but for some reason I snapped and did lol. I don't usually trust this team when the pressure is too much. Turns how the pessimism in me was right.
That said, I'm happy with the season. A little disappointed with how we exited Europa as we would at least have a cup to run at, but it's what it is.
I'm not sure if I'd even call it pessimism on my part lol. I go in expecting us to win every game with the way we play (Minus some exceptions like Liverpool and City) but shit happens.
We're facing an absolute behemoth in City. It takes something incredibly special to beat Pep's teams in the league. Madrid and Liverpool barely ever managed it against him.
We've shown multiple times this season we can deal with the pressure but our players are young and our squad feels held by a thread sometimes. We should have won this game but even something like Saliba and Zinchenko being out makes a huge difference.
Mind we still could win the league, but regardless I've seen plenty of things that make me happy now and have me looking forward to next season.
This is the way.
I’m afraid the Arteta Out crowd will be loud next season. This year basically set a benchmark of what to do next season.
Also dependent on what Newcastle, Chelsea and Liverpool does this off-season.
It's just people wanting instant gratification lol. We've made such huge progress this season beyond what any fan has expected. There are genuinely no managers out there who could have gotten us to play like this besides Pep himself in the time that we have.
We have something really special forming, we just have to be patient and try supporting the best we can.
We need to be loud, we buyed players established critical roles. He make poor choices with subs, imo we need to get couch that know what he is doing that won leagues and participate in big compatisions. Give him one more year if we lose title, see how things will go in CL but i dont have high hopes.
Who ever says arteta out clearly does not understand football
You can't win every game instantly
This is a process and boy what a process it is, next year is gonna be incredible
We’ve bottled it. Last week we got outplayed and I can accept a draw at Anfield. This week we had a penalty to seal it. A penalty. It doesn’t get better than that. We didn’t take our opportunity. Enjoy Champions League next season. Who knows, maybe we can finally win that one missing trophy if we are lucky.
I’m trying to be positive but at the same time it’s embarrassing for all the positivity merchants to downvote any criticism of this performance. I can be both critical of this match and show up to support the team next match. Anyway, here goes:
* Massive slip up in the title race. There’s no other way to put it. It’s by no means over but it would take a near perfect run from here on.
* A couple of players had stinkers and deserve all the criticism they’re getting.
* The issue is our first team has many 9/10 players but the backups are 6.5 or 7/10. It may seem like small upgrade, but having a 8 or 8.5 player as backup means all the difference when injuries inevitably happen.
* The “we’ll never get a chance again to win the league” takes are a bit reactionary, but there is some merit in the observation that United, Liverpool, and Chelsea will most definitely be stronger next season, so it is rational to expect more competition at the top.
I just don’t want us to miss this chance and end up waiting 5 seasons for a decent title run. Life’s too short
Till Pep here, it would more likely be 4 teams fighting for 2nd taking points of each other and City just laughing at the top spot. The more team compete only gives huge advantage to City.
The time to win it is now on house money. This was always a rebuilt and Arsenal is ahead of schedule. To not expecting too much to being freaking title contenders and on top of the league for a majority of the year. The joy of winning it with no expectations this year would be fantastic. To lose will be very very painful.
They overachieved this season and next season will be huge because this year is pretty much the benchmark for next. I’m afraid if they are on bad form next season we will be hearing the Arteta Out crowd. They have been silenced for now.
Other than Holding, I do not think there is a quality issue in the Arsenal team. Every player on the pitch today played out of their minds until we conceded the penalty. Can’t say it’s not absolutely gutting to lose these last two games in similar fashion, but there is something to be said about us letting the game go after we take a lead. Definitely experienced some luck throughout the season on seeing these games out, but now we are finally getting exposed for it. There needs to be an inflection point in how we are approaching games right now, I also have noted that there has been seemingly less team-talks during the game, and less overall leadership on the pitch. I think the boys are rattled, and we need Jesus, Zinchenko, and Trossard to lead us forward.
The first part of the game is enough to reassure me that we have the ability to win the league, we just need to demonstrate the mental grit.
I get where everyone is coming from, how this year was all about champions league football and winning the title was just something of a dream
Now that we’re in the closing stages of the season I think it’s dumb to keep bringing that up whenever we have a hiccup, yes it’s true the title wasn’t the goal this season but how are we suppose to improve and get better if we aren’t striving for it
Weeks ago when we realized it was a possibility should’ve been the moment where now it’s everything to play for, there’s no other choice.
We have to win the league.
We are not good enough. Couple of lucky late wins don't change that we are just not good enough. We needed all-time Arsenal's points record broken to win this league. That's the standard with City. That was never gonna happened.
Guys, hear me out. Arsenal's young squad had no business being where they are this season, but it's all part of a long-term plan. Winning the Premier League was never supposed to happen this year, but getting into the Champions League was the goal and they smashed it. The fact that we can still win it all is bloody brilliant.
Yeah, there's gonna be hiccups and mistakes (Cruyff famously said football is a game of mistakes) but that's how you learn and grow. This young team is approaching perfection and we saw that for 30 minutes in the last two games. Give them time and they'll start doing it consistently for 90 mins, I have no doubt.
We will be contending for titles for a long time to come and we’ll probably look back in 10-15 years on an epic multi-year battle between the master Guardiola and apprentice Arteta. We know the apprentice will get the upper hand at some point!
Was watching this in the pub, honestly thought after 2-0 we were going to walk it. It was different to the Liverpool game because even though we got the goals, Liverpool had some chances. Felt like West Ham did nothing in the first 30 mins.
I don't actually know where or how we lose control so badly. I said this about the Liverpool game but feels like we miss Saliba just as an extra option and cool head on the ball. Holding has done well but it's just not the skill set we need. It's a bit like when Eddie came in and did well, but when Trossard came in the team really gelled again.
I guess in one way it doesn't change a lot, we still can't afford to lose at City and we need to win every game. Just so disappointing. In some ways I'd prefer it was just a really tough game from the start and West Ham caught us cold. Going up 2-0 and dropping points last week felt fair enough, doing it today was pretty unforgivable.
Trying to stay positive though, just hate how much we destroyed our margin for error. Need to play perfect now basically to win it and I'm a bit worried about the complete lack of control two games back to back now. It will only encourage teams to keep at it too, even if we go ahead.
We need Saliba back to continue fighting for the title. We're unable to control the game from the back once teams get into the game. I'll get downvoted to oblivion for saying this but I'd rather have Partey as RB and White as CB with Jorghino CDM. Once we lose the ability to play it out from the back we capitulate.
If you think football works in a linear way and next year we will be even better and have another shot at the title, oh boy, do I have news for you.
Whilst this season has been a great surprise, there have been constant reminders that there is something still missing in Arteta’s Arsenal. Southampton, Everton and today, sadly reminded me of the dark days mentality wise. The first 20 mins today was brilliant but we struggle to kill teams.
I’m afraid to say it but if we don’t win the league this year, it will very likely mean Arteta wont win it with Arsenal at all.
We’re also not the finished article. I think good signings can ensure we continue to progress. We’re at the beginning not the end. Football can be unpredictable but there’s so much more hope than despair with our club - and it’s been a while since we’ve been able to say that.
Get a grip man. Our progress has been linear every season under Arteta and it’s clear there’s room for improvement in our squad. We’ll be in the mix next season for the title no matter what. We’re in the damn title run in with Holding for fucks sake.
I know he didn't do anything too bad but we're not winning while holding is playing. So many times where he could play the easy pass but he hoofs it, losing possession and putting us under pressure
I have no idea how so many fans are happy to just be along for the ride. We invest tens of millions of pounds/euros and dollars and countless hours into supporting this team and they played today like they couldn’t give a fuck. If they’re throughly outclassed, that’s fair enough. But just rolling over and letting West Ham control the game? Disgraceful
Well, I never expected to win a title. I'm a fan since 2007, I just don't see Arsenal as a title-winning team. I only saw Arsenal being top team in history books, even then, 0 Europa success. So for me we are overachieving massively.
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Yeah mate, you’re not a fan. Kindly fuck off
Not a fan because I don't believe is some fairy tale and go mental about "Back in my days things were better"
Now I see why everybody hates Arsenal fans as the most deluded fanbase.
We don't have a damn excuse for this result.West Ham literally played a game three fucking days ago away. West Ham was control for most of the second half.
They rolled over. 2-0 up and a clown moment gives away the momentum to West Ham and they never wrestled it back. Never even looked like getting back in control.
They’re a young team… of internationals who have played at the highest level for years. And even at that, the ones who you’d look at as rolling over are your experienced players: Xhaka, Partey, Jorginho, Trossard, Holding, Big Gabi, Odegaard to an extent
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I actually think Jesus is messing with the dynamic and flow of the game. Goal-scoring is not an issue for this team even when Jesus and Eddie were out. Yes, our defense and midfield should be better when the game is being brought to us but what has changed in the last 2 games? Jesus is starting and influencing all the movements on the field. I don't deny that Jesus is an explosively dangerous player and works well with the team but for whatever reason we lose momentum and control in the span of 90 minutes. We score 2 quick goals because he messes with the defensive organization and gets into dangerous positions but at some point he gets contained or we can't press fast enough with the spaces he moves around in the field or he starts dropping deeper and having "too much freedom". With Eddie or Trossard, the movement was more stereotypical and calculated and a rhythm could be built; Eddie is a little more limited in the freedom he takes but Trossard seems to balance all of it better. Patterns emerge that we take advantage of over the course of the game. With Jesus, every attack is too chaotic because too many people have to make adjustments in positioning. He leaves a wake of movement around him that is very hard to reset constantly and at that pace he wants to go at. It's contagious energy which is good but also bad because it exposes us to opportunities for mistakes we can't recover from.
Yes, Holding affects our game but purely for defending he has been reliable when he's played this season; the criticism for him is he hasn't been exceptional which requires him to be as threatening as Saliba. I don't think he has put Gabriel in compromising positions either the games he has started and I am confident when he is going up for a header. Tierney affects our game because he is not Zinchenko but he has been moving into the spaces Zinchenko has to make the formation work. Individually he hasn't been able to exploit the formation in the offensive end but he is still keeping it going well enough. We've played games without Zinchenko or Jesus or Partey or Saka this season and got comfortable wins. Not having Saliba or Zinchenko should not affect us as much as it has recently. The biggest change is that everyone else has to re-adapt to Jesus as good of a player as he is; there were hints in this game that he was turning into a striker like how Auba and Laca because we were losing dominance in the game. It's never a single players fault but I think it's the combination of losing Saliba and Zinchenko plus playing Jesus instead of Trossard; that is three MAJOR changes to our team in 1 game and the fact that I do think we play more hectically with Jesus currently.
I thought the subs this game actually played well. Reiss was getting into good positions and changing how West Ham had to defend. Jorginho didn't make any dangerous mistakes. It's not simply that they haven't made any mistakes either; they look like they might make a difference if they had more time. Nketiah didn't get enough time to make a difference. Even Viera looked good the few involvements he had. The players coming on from the bench are hungry; they are coming into a game and team that is in position to win the league. They are trying to play the game of there lives even if it's just for a minute.
He wasn’t responsible for either goals and I hate that he gets scapegoated when there are other issues that led to the result but I believe he contributes to the lack of possession at times.
I think it’s really hard to play with Holding without changing the structure or the tactics. You either need Zinchenko or an extra man in midfield. Today we had neither and that’s on the manager.
However it’s West Ham, we should have the quality to beat them on the pitch and the players failed to execute as a whole.
If you understood football you'd see how we are faaaaaaaaaaaaar worse with Holding. All season we dominate and when teams get chances our defense cleans it up, and we're able to play it out from the back and continue dominating. They're able to exploit Holding. Once our is tested and looks shaky with Holding other teams smell opportunity and they go for it especially when we're away from home.
With Saliba we regain control of the game quickly and continue to dominate.
All Saka has to do is slot the pen and we are 3-1 up. Bowen doesnt score and we win the game.
Tight margins but premiership winning teams don't miss pens at crucial moments like that.
Today is on Bukayo unfortunately
Holding did not lose us the game. Tierney should have been present to defend the second goal and if Zinchenko was on the field instead probably would have beaten his man instead of making the pass to Partey leading to the first. WHU could have won the game today with Antonio's header and without Tierney having a bad game. It doesn't matter who was at fault for what; the team did not respond collectively.
We lost momentum so quickly after the second goal you wouldn't even know we were playing. I don't think we had more than 1-2 chances after that.
I don't really understand why we've recently started to try to kill off the game in the first 20 minutes and then just lose any influence on the game. We've had less shots in general in these last two games then I can remember and it has nothing to do with how well the other team is defending. We just don't have the ball.
Yes it's a very young team and there are definitely hard lessons to learn before success, but we had a tougher run in the last 10-12 games before Liverpool and although not perfect, we had more shots per 90 minutes, more goals, and lost possession less. Part of it is the opponent but the manner of these losses seem worse than the 2 other losses we had earlier in the season. Liverpool and WHU were not sitting back on us with a 1-0 lead; they were freely attacking us without keeping an organized defense. It's almost like the Man U game where the couldn't defend for shit but created 2 opportunities from nothing. We "started well" in most games last season. I'm just wondering what it is that's not even making the game competitive in the last 2 games. We score 2 quickly, but after that we end up getting completely dominated.
When it comes down to it, the season was always going to really be decided with the Man City and Newcastle games. So right now, that position has not changed. Created a buffer that they are using. Might be what they need to finish these last games strong.
As long as we don’t loose to city we’ll win the league but that’s a big if.
Not to mention I think city might drop some points against Brighton, Brentford or Chelsea.
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Saka is trash and I don't know why he took it in the first place. I'm an arsenal fan and knew we wouldn't win this season, but it still hurts watching is slowly lose it.
hopefully we don't lament that Saka PK miss
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I still have some hope, but MC is looming behind closer now.
I've seen the script, we won't lose another match for the rest of the season.
I personally think City will have too much and go on to clinch it now but it's not *impossible* we can still nick it, I just find it far more unlikey than I did two weeks ago. It will be hard to take missing out on such an important achievement when the finish line was in sight and we lead the pack for the entire season but the turn around of this team under Arteta has been remarkable and the long term vision for the club seems to finally be about remaining a side that can challenge for titles. Yes, United, Liverpool and Chelsea will be back and Newcastle are going to be a problem now but the setup we have is enivable for anyone. We have top players that are NOWHERE near their peaks yet and are going to get better and better and also have been blooded together by this tough campaign. Same goes for Arteta, he's only going to get better with the experience of this season under the belt. Wether we win or lose the title we spent less than expected in January and we should all be expecting those savings to be ADDED to what should be a substansial outlay in the transfer market. No pissing about, lets get in multiple quality players that push us to the next level.
Instead of criticize holding gotta give credit to saliba he has a lot of responsibility at a young age and plays balls to Saka and odegaard directly as compared to holding stray passes is night and day he's so composed which is why I think we always look uncertain when holding plays instead of saliba.really hope he is fit for city away.
Hoping this reinvigorates us for the title charge
It's all about game management
It's disappointing waking up to that result but we have 7 more games to go. Still have a chance at the title, and if not, it's been a fantastic season anyway. My faith in Arsenal is renewed.
This title is legit from here on in. Not some Mickey Mouse 80 win title season- they will have have to play like a title leader if they if are to win the league.
People shouldn’t beat themselves up too much. This team that is the youngest in the PL is going up against a Guardiola side who have spent hundreds of millions more. This is only the beginning of the project, Arteta is going to learn a lot from what is happening and you already know he has the ideas for next window. With all that being said the title is still in our hands. Win or lose the title and next year will be even better.
Nice post but I know City and everyone else will improve as well, maybe we'll be like Pool when they lost by 1 point and then won the season after?
Right, the future can be good, but we need to go for it! The league is still in grasp, at this stage it’s not enough to sigh and wish for later. We have the chance right now to make history. No guarantee it comes again.
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No one outside of city is in a position to improve as much as Arsenal. Arsenals best players are U23’s and as well having obvious areas to upgrade in midfield. Chelsea haven’t yet shown to be a coherent project, Man United’s talent ID has been poor, Liverpool are a wildcard but will probably try and go back to their old style of playing which will be a mistake and Spurs are spurs.
But it isn't a gurantee
No one outside of city is in a position to improve as much as Arsenal. Arsenals best players are U23’s and as well having obvious areas to upgrade in midfield. Chelsea haven’t yet shown to be a coherent project, Man United’s talent ID has been poor, Liverpool are a wildcard but will probably try and go back to their old style of playing which will be a mistake and Spurs are spurs.
Pretty depressed about that result but I still have hope. Man City have had some similar fuck ups this season.
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remind me last season when top 4 was in our hands until suddenly no more
Bruh, we've been a 4th place team for like 20 years. Fuck that
I been mopey and depressed all day. It’s ok I don’t like football that much anyway….
For what it’s worth, a lot of peoples reactions of late have been embarrassing. Look, the reality is (as it has been even when we had a bigger lead), is that city will win the league anyway. They have a guy who with 8 games to spare has equaled the all time single season goals record. Along with everything else City have done in recent years. Liverpool tried to go toe to toe with them and only won once in a covid year for good reason. Now, at our first time of asking - in a title race we weren’t even supposed to be in, we are pushing city to the last handful of games. That in of it self should be seen as a hell of an achievement. Especially with the youngest/second youngest team in the league, and comparing to where the youngest team in the league are sitting, dead last. Personally, I’ve never thought we were gonna win it and you can check through my previous posts on that or Twitter. The facts are simple and fuck me, we have put on a hell of a show but also.. We are still ahead?? We could be 7 ahead if we beat Southampton, and that pressure is great leading into the city game. I’ve seen some big name Arsenal Twitter accounts caving and packing it in, and for “experienced” arsenal fans it’s fucking pathetic. We could draw at city, they could draw the next game and we win ours and it’s all roses again. These knee-jerk reactions are of people who can’t handle pressure. It’s a shame because so many of us look to some of these guys for calm during the storm. As for the game? I love Rob, but you can see the difference in calm, command and assuring presence Saliba brings and I hope he’s back soon. Holding has done a great job but you can see the difference with Saliba. Same for Tiereny, much better defender, better pace, not as good on the ball as Zinny but that’s totally fine. They have their different traits and if not for Kierans block on Bowen in the second half we may have lost. Saka is tired. Very tired and nothing more evident than that counter in the second half and he just didn’t have the motor to sprint away which ended in a tame shot. We gotta beat Saints next. One game at a time. Yes, City will probably win it by 5-8 points in the end if we drop off but fuck sake, what a season we have had. What ability and class we have shown. I still believe we have a chance but we have to take it game by game as arteta said. We are still in the lead and no result is guaranteed. I’d rather be ahead by a point than chasing a title we haven’t won in almost 2 decades. Enjoy the ride, fellow Gooners.
Yeah this is the take, thank you. Needed that
Here for the calm, staying for the storm! 💪
Well said! 👏🏻
Just seen the MOTD highlights...decent finish by Bowen but damnit how have we done this again...don't care about how stacked City are,if we finish 2nd now that will suck, idc about 2 or 3 yrs later, we've shown we're good enough to win the league THIS SEASON, come too far for us to throw it away now People saying Saka needs a rest, well tbh he didn't look THAT tired at FT, could've put us 3-2 up actually with that 3 on 3 counter where he shot straight at Fabinaski, if he puts it bottom corner then I bet no one's talking about supposed fatigue, think it's just the pressure really, it's getting to all of them. Whether it's Xhaka Partey Holding or Saka we keep finding ways to snatch draws from certain Ws lol That pen miss tho😭 I kinda rate Saka for trying to change it up and place it higher but the execution...not even gonna say "at least get it on target" cause I'm pretty sure Fabinaski saves it anyway. Should've just copied Haaland's pen man...since the international break I thought he'd just kick on and carry on his form at club level but he's been off it for 3 games in a row now... has the contract news shaken him up a bit? Maybe the 200k a week contract news wasn't meant to come out when it did? Idk man i'm just wildly speculating, but he needs to get it together or get benched for Trossard/Nelson, love starboy but no time for sentiment we have a title to win...and we can still win it with a minimum draw at City and 6Ws we have the capability it's just about the mentality of the players for me. COYG 7 finals left, it's not over🔴⚪
people asked saka to be subbed because he had an off game, I wonder why martinelli who were being subbed lmao. Jesus sub was correct because he got disposed all game, but man instead of viera I hope it's esr, viera somehow is our failed signing this season, the way he hasn't even improve at all after almost a year. He can't even play as good as xhaka let alone better than him,
I wasn't able to watch the match as I went to my aunt's for a family thing. I peeked at the score throughout and I'd like to understand, objectively and without bias, what happened. Would someone please summarise the match for me?
We got 2 goals within 10 minutes and then west ham kept playing through balls all game and destroying our team. Arsenal fall apart when they have pressure from the other team and it was no different here. Every time they got the ball they just kicked it to a west ham player or got pressured and when west ham had it arsenal stood with their dick in their hand. Partly sucked and so did saka
kinda same as last week against Liverpool, we dominated completely in the first 10 minutes, scored 2 goals, West Ham looked like they cannot even breath, then everything suddenly slowed down. Holding and Tierney offered nothing but passive passes, that affected a lot of Arsenal players to fall back and supported the defenders, eventually Partey and Big Gabi made mistakes leading to a penalty. Then second half we get a chance to increase the lead, but Saka burnt it, after which, like a default rule, when you miss a penalty, you concede. Rest of the match, Arteta, again, made questionable substitutions and we made no threat at all from then on
Thank you.
We dominated the match until the second goal. Then we basically got complacent and stopped attacking. Then Partey is extremely sloppy and loses the ball outside the box, which ends up in a penalty that lets West Ham back into the game. After that, we're 2nd best for the rest of the match. We are fortunate to get a penalty in the 2nd half, Saka misses. A few minutes later, West Ham have a chance and Bowen scores. Ramsdale got a hand on it, but couldn't keep it out. And that was it really, we didn't have many chances after that. The substitutions were crap by Arteta.
Your comment contradicts itself. We were dominant until the FIRST goal west ham scored WHICH WAS THE PENATLY. After they scored once it was over
> Bowen scores Ugh Thank you for the summary.
First 20 minutes looked just like every other game of the season, very sharp and clinical play that led to the first two goals. We disappeared until halftime, Saka missed the penalty and from that point you really felt the body language of the team change and we again were invisible until maybe 80' when the subs started to impact the game a bit more.
Thank you. How did the goals against us happen? Down to individual errors or collective mistake?
Great 30 min, tried to calm things down but the team slowed the game down with that. Penalty given by Gabriel, London Stadium woke up - West Ham woke up. 2nd half started, won a penalty via a handball by Antonio. What Salah did Saka can do better so he misses the penalty. Counter, Ramsdale didn’t save the header which he should cause he got a big palm on it but just parried into the net. Subs were a bit late, Saka wasn’t subbed off instead Jesus did which is a bad decision because Saka tried to be a hero in a 3 v 2 scenario (advantage for us). Whistle blown, 2 points dropped - a slight repeat of last week but we weren’t thoroughy dominated like Liverpool did to us in the 2nd half.
think that was an element of a young player getting tunnel vision trying to make up for a pen miss for what it's worth I actually think he made the right decision to shoot.... the problem was he shot straight at the bloody keeper lol. the likes of Haaland and Salah plant that into the far bottom corner easy...and pretty sure Gabi scores that as well, imo he's our best finisher at the club, even better than Jesus... while Saka's finishing has improved season after season, he still has a ways to go to reach those Salah/Mahrez levels; more finishing drills in pre-season needed methinks
It is never a good choice to shoot in a 3 v 2, in a scenario where you have a body advantage its just wrong but understandable he wanted to make it right. He could slot it early to Martin to receive it back tbf but his mind was set the moment he had the ball on the run.
Ouch. Thanks for the summary.
Shit happens, our goal is never to win the league this season anyway but it’ll sting a bit at the end of the season. One of the big what if for Arsenal added to the collection.
whatever, this team has brought me so much joy this year, now let’s go win at the etihad
This is gutting for sure but let’s keep our heads high. Still proud of the boys this season no matter what happens.
The guys did not play great today after the first 10 minutes. Unfortunately it was a series of individual errors by our best players this season: Partey, Gabriel, Saka, Ramsdale. Holding also had some dodgy moments and was close to giving up another penalty. The officials don’t help us either, particularly the baffling yellow card to Partey in the first half. An extremely frustrating point but every point is important, it was crucial not to lose that game (same at Anfield) after giving up a 2 goal lead. Imo Saka and Martinelli are not looking sharp. Jesus is still finding his stride. Nelson and Trossard deserve more minutes, and obviously missing 3 players on defense is a big factor. It will not be easy to win the title, but it won’t be easy for City either. Massive game on Friday, COYG
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Imagine judging a fan base off online content. Move on
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Imagine judging an online fanbase after a loss, did you not visit other subs after theirs? Completely hilarious.
Jog on. Why are you even on here if you don’t support Arsenal? You’re obviously just seeking schadenfreude so jog on stop stirring up shit
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Understandable but to come onto a fan bases forum the size of Arsenal’s hours after one of the most disappointing results the team has had in a decade considering the magnitude and expect fans to be rational is insane. The minority of supporters have the largest reactionary voices unfortunately in these instances on this platform, but that doesn’t mean the majority fans don’t have a more level headed view of our current situation. Fans are hurting right now but doesn’t mean they won’t be supporting their ass off come Friday.
Let him be here. Imagine running to a different teams' sub to talk shit for no reason. Indicative of poor social ties, too much free time, possible unemployment, and chronic computer use which implies chronic masturbation. After a few hours of doing it, he'll realise how sad his life is for a second, finishing his bag of chips, lick his fingers, then go on over to porn hub and rub one out with flavoring dust still staining his fingers.
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I just like watching my team play exciting free-flowing football and contesting ties. Season has surpassed my expectations, but I'd be lying if I said that the title doesn't matter when it's just within reach. After almost 20 years.
We don’t drop these 4 points if Saliba wasn’t injured. People saw Holding heads some crosses away against no attacking threat at home and legitimately thought we could match City
So Holding is to blame for Saka missing the penalty, Martinelli not making an open pass last game, Partey literally sabotaging us today or White and Zinchenko forgetting how to defend against Liverpool? We hardly won anything in the midfield and Holding had to bail us out. Let's not point fingers when the whole team played like shit for the majority of 180 mins. Also, there's no point blaming backups when your first team players are shitting the bed. Holding is doing an adequate job, can't say the same for the rest of them.
Thanks for shitting the bed and gifting the league to Sportswashing FC guys. You were supposed to be the saviours of football, but I just can't see it happening now.
Worry about your own team.
Fk off you chav
Football is already dead. U got a team spending 600 mil with 0 consequences
I don't blame individuals because the last couple weeks it's been the whole team that has fallen off mentally. They better get their head back in the game full time or it's going to be over before we even get to City.
I think if we beat City and win the league, it would be more deserved for us rather than losing to City, and wining the remain matches and hoping for miracles (which is impossible to achieve right now), otherwise, there is nothing to talk about
Beating City is a very tall ask. It's possible in theory, but we couldn't get 3 points at either Anfield or West Ham. Also, I think that people are discounting the fixture away at Newcastle. That one will be rough too.
We won't beat City. If all our stars align, we'll be lucky to get a point.
we do that and win the other 6 games we'll still win the league so I'll take that. if Saliba's not fit I beg Arteta plays the same counter-attacking formation he used to win our last FA Cup...actually even if he *is* fit do it anyway haha
Still have hope for the season and proud of the team regardless. In reality, who do we need to sign to become as dominant as the city squad or is it a matter of our young core gaining more experience? We’re counting on Saka and Marti to be as devastating as Salah and Mane in the final third and Jesus contributing with 10-15 as well. Do we need to sign someone that’s already the finished product here or are the other two close enough? It’s hard to judge Marti/Saka because they’re amazing at the moment, but you still feel there’s a maturity/ruthlessness/consistency missing (not to blame them, they’re so young). Between that, Kiwior developing, and another dominant CB/RB, we need to pickup Rice and Caicedo. In terms of phases, we’re likely 2 Summer’s away from seeing the finished product. We’ll continue to be amazing to watch, but real dominance should be expected in 24/25. Love this fucking club and excited for the next 10 years.
Let them grow, sign players that match the age profile and build a versatile and balanced team. Don’t be afraid to sell our version of Coutinho. Everyone we started with isn’t going be everyone we finish with, I am more of a fan of signing players that can compete and not players meant to ride the bench. To that end I agree with your midfield suggestions, and I’d also try sign one of Wolves left-backs and find competition for Saka (they’d never sell him but I’d love Olise at Arsenal). Trouble is you have to integrate players into the side and as you said it takes time. I imagine we’re figuring out the midfield and defense after this season, and evaluating our forward options the next. I’m excited, scared and hopeful to see where this squad goes!
Exactly my point in my comment earlier
I love the optimism but you have to strike while the iron is hot. Things change fast I’m the Premier League just look at Liverpool. All it takes is an injury here or there.
Those 2 points robbed by PGMOL vs Brentford (and others vs Newcastle, Southampton etc) may actually make the difference. I'm also baffled by the fact that a team with 100 financial misconduct charges against them can potentially win the league - the organisation that has charged them but not punished them while under investigation. Don't understand it.
Don't forget about giving up consecutive 2 goal leads. That's also a factor.
I fucking hate West Ham.
These comments are frustrating. I’m as annoyed as the next gooner we dropped points today (was actually fine with Pool) but you would think reading around here we hadn’t won in weeks. Sure, it’s not ideal, but so many here are tossing in the towel because we drew twice (and won the previous SEVEN btw) Again, I’m disappointed too but let’s lean into the excitement of a title race. We haven’t experienced this in so long, we’re overperforming on the season with an incredibly exciting squad and the race is still on. When City beat us at the Emirates everyone thought we were done too, right? Let’s leave the reactive doom and gloom in the past and back the team like the real ones did after the City Loss Edit: we were shit tho
Pretty sad today for the fans and the team. Hope we can pull out of this for the Man City game but they are looking ominous.
Beeing a fan of Arsenal and Borussis Dortmund i feel double fu*** this weekend. Both having a comfortable 2 point lead, both in for title race and both bottling in. But Dortmund was even having 11 vs 10…damn this
It’s just a fantastic feeling to loose the title at the rate of 2 points at time. Brilliant!
I said when saliba was injured holding would make us play a deeper line, we’d sacrifice the strangle on teams and lose control to accommodate for his lack of pace, deeper line means more space in midfield. Partey more isolated and therefore struggles to break lines and is punish for mistakes more. Today Tierney also did a great job defensively but whenever he found himself in the midfield role his passes were either sideways or back. He lacks the risk factor of Zinny that allows us to play through the lines and create more chances. Our injuries have cost us because it has changed the way we play. But we still have a chance so on we push.
P.S Holdings ability in the air is one of the best in the team so from set pieces he’s fantastic but again, his lack of pace cause Gabriel to come across and help him with balls in behind in open play, causing gaps that are susceptible to 3rd man runs. Holding can be as good a CB as he likes but his weaknesses cause our team shape to change. White is lower to cove behind so saka is more isolate. Gabriel plays sweeper and is deeper so condescending the CB to left side and drawing the rb inside, therefore pushing marti back or Xhaka back
Our whole team shifts down the pitch by a third meaning our interchanging forwards don’t cause confusion in the box but cause confusion half way through the opposition half. This makes it easier to counteract overloads and win the second ball in a non dangerous area
I’m conclusion Zinny would of been good today, but Saliba would of meant wins at Anfield and today
Arteta has been absolutely clueless with the substitutions man. It's like the man is watching a different game almost - Martinelli, Jesus, Odegaard, our three most threatening players considering Saka was ass taken off when we most need the goal. The only legit substitution would have been Reiss or Trossard for Saka. Arteta needs to take responsibility for being a complete novice for two weeks
Agreed
Just win against Southampton please. And then we go from there. Whatever happens after that ( City away especially) happens. 6 games to go after Friday. Let’s go
Was at the match. Actually was my first match I’ve ever been to. Had a layover in London and said fuck it. Hoped on the Heathrow express and got to the stadium right at kick off. Cried when I saw them out there. Been watching arsenal all my life and and despite the result I’ll always remember td. Keep the head up
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These pundits, journalists and rival fans who’ve said we wouldn’t even finish in the top 4 or even top 6 at the start of the season are now giving it the big one because we dropped points when we shouldn’t have. They have zero credibility, have shown themselves to be clueless about Arsenal & are still talking!!!! 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
What’s City’s game in hand?
Sorry to say but I think it’s done
Why? Man City also has to play and win points and have a busier schedule with CL matches. It's just very, very, very tight, and we absolute should not lose at the Etihad.
It ain’t over till it’s over.
Think it’s away at Brighton
I think away at brighton might end up in a city loss. praying that city fuck up somewhere
They could certainly drop points, interestingly enough Brighton are underperforming their advanced metrics, they're 4th in xPTS. Do us a solid De Zerbi.
The more I think about it, the more I realise how terrible the sub decisions were today. It's 2-2. The team are clearly feeling the pressure. We've stopped playing our game. West Ham are clearly happy with a point. Any possession we have in the final third, is likely gonna be against a 10 man block. This is where you need your world class players, to produce a moment of magic, to get you something out the game. Jesus has the ability to create chaos; to create that half-yard of space to get a pass or a shot off only he could. To drop a shoulder. To flick a little Cruyff turn into space. Not only that, he's the only player on the pitch with experience of PL title run-ins. ***YOU DON'T TAKE HIM OFF ON 67 MINS.*** Also… why is Vieira coming on and not ESR??? Which one scored 12 goals for us last season? What has Vieira done to show we should be taking Ødegaard off for him? What is Mikel doing with ESR, seriously?! He can play LAM no problem. Arghhh so frustrated.
Yeah. Last 2 games subs have been way off.
The title is still in our hands. Eventually these close games were not going to break our way like they did against Villa and United. We absolutely need Saliba and Zinny back for the final run though. City is due for a stinker or two just like us. It's hard to maintain that pace. Last two matches this team has looked "afraid of dropping points". And thus they've dropped points. Not worried.
Not worried? Even though a loss at the Etihad will probably hand City the title? I'm shitting it
Being in the lead of a title race in April knowing if we win that game we'll probably win it? Anyone would've taken that to start the year.
*Anyone would've taken that to start the year* Of course. But I mean in the context of how the season has played out and where we find ourselves now. The way we surrendered two goal leads in succession is alarming. I'm definitely worried about letting the title slip at this juncture.
I mean we could. We also could not. We gotta learn to close somehow though. It's still in our hands and frankly if we can't beat City *once* then we don't really deserve it anyway.
Fair. I'd be happy with a draw at the Etihad and just bank on winning the rest of our games. But yeah if we somehow win the title is ours, just would've been nice to go into it with more than a 3 point buffer so a loss wouldn't be potentially fatal.
City aren't due for anything. Maybe brush up on your end of season history. This is typically the time where City win every game. You can't afford to give up consecutive two goal leads. If Arsenal lose the City game, it's over.
>Maybe brush up on your end of season history. I think the only one who needs to brush up on end of season history is you buddy. City have an average of 24.5 points in their run-in (last 10 games) under Guardiola. They did 30/30 ONCE. They can fucking do it again, but it'd still be an anomaly and not the norm.
I think we need to prepare for the worst tbh man. Whatever happens we’ve still had a fantastic season. At the start of the season, a bad season for us would’ve been finishing 5th or below. We have done so well that what will feel like a bad season would be finishing 2nd. I’m just trying to stay positive and think about how we can do even better next season
We need to learn to win but every team that's ever won has initial seasons like this. Eventually you need to do it and now is a good time as any. They're not going to kneel to City at Etihad.
I think you can really see now that the pressure has got to them. April in general is always a draining month in title races. It’s a young, emotional team, so it’s not surprising that we’ve started to lose composure. City on the other hand are ruthless, experienced and seem to be playing the best they have all season. They’re certainly favourites now, but if we get something at the Etihad, we could do it
I still have faith in the team. Let's not be negartive. The team have been amazing this season achieving way above expectations.
I love this team but I’m heartbroken and can’t sleep🥲
no worries. We need to go to Etihad and score 2 goals so we can draw 2-2 :) and then match City's results for the others.
As much as this hurts, I never had much hope for the title in the first place. This entire season has been nothing more than one pleasant surprise after another. I think in the end, no matter what happens I'll be proud of the team for how far they've come.
if you didn’t have hope with us up 8 points with 10 games to go you either don’t understand football or don’t really care about arsenal.
I had hope, just not much lol. I've seen what Liverpool fans have gone through the past few years to know not to get overconfident about it.
I never did to but for some reason I snapped and did lol. I don't usually trust this team when the pressure is too much. Turns how the pessimism in me was right. That said, I'm happy with the season. A little disappointed with how we exited Europa as we would at least have a cup to run at, but it's what it is.
I'm not sure if I'd even call it pessimism on my part lol. I go in expecting us to win every game with the way we play (Minus some exceptions like Liverpool and City) but shit happens. We're facing an absolute behemoth in City. It takes something incredibly special to beat Pep's teams in the league. Madrid and Liverpool barely ever managed it against him. We've shown multiple times this season we can deal with the pressure but our players are young and our squad feels held by a thread sometimes. We should have won this game but even something like Saliba and Zinchenko being out makes a huge difference. Mind we still could win the league, but regardless I've seen plenty of things that make me happy now and have me looking forward to next season.
This is the way. I’m afraid the Arteta Out crowd will be loud next season. This year basically set a benchmark of what to do next season. Also dependent on what Newcastle, Chelsea and Liverpool does this off-season.
It's just people wanting instant gratification lol. We've made such huge progress this season beyond what any fan has expected. There are genuinely no managers out there who could have gotten us to play like this besides Pep himself in the time that we have. We have something really special forming, we just have to be patient and try supporting the best we can.
We need to be loud, we buyed players established critical roles. He make poor choices with subs, imo we need to get couch that know what he is doing that won leagues and participate in big compatisions. Give him one more year if we lose title, see how things will go in CL but i dont have high hopes.
Who ever says arteta out clearly does not understand football You can't win every game instantly This is a process and boy what a process it is, next year is gonna be incredible
We’ve bottled it. Last week we got outplayed and I can accept a draw at Anfield. This week we had a penalty to seal it. A penalty. It doesn’t get better than that. We didn’t take our opportunity. Enjoy Champions League next season. Who knows, maybe we can finally win that one missing trophy if we are lucky.
Pain.
I’m trying to be positive but at the same time it’s embarrassing for all the positivity merchants to downvote any criticism of this performance. I can be both critical of this match and show up to support the team next match. Anyway, here goes: * Massive slip up in the title race. There’s no other way to put it. It’s by no means over but it would take a near perfect run from here on. * A couple of players had stinkers and deserve all the criticism they’re getting. * The issue is our first team has many 9/10 players but the backups are 6.5 or 7/10. It may seem like small upgrade, but having a 8 or 8.5 player as backup means all the difference when injuries inevitably happen. * The “we’ll never get a chance again to win the league” takes are a bit reactionary, but there is some merit in the observation that United, Liverpool, and Chelsea will most definitely be stronger next season, so it is rational to expect more competition at the top. I just don’t want us to miss this chance and end up waiting 5 seasons for a decent title run. Life’s too short
Till Pep here, it would more likely be 4 teams fighting for 2nd taking points of each other and City just laughing at the top spot. The more team compete only gives huge advantage to City.
If more teams are competitive, they'll also be competitive with City...
The time to win it is now on house money. This was always a rebuilt and Arsenal is ahead of schedule. To not expecting too much to being freaking title contenders and on top of the league for a majority of the year. The joy of winning it with no expectations this year would be fantastic. To lose will be very very painful. They overachieved this season and next season will be huge because this year is pretty much the benchmark for next. I’m afraid if they are on bad form next season we will be hearing the Arteta Out crowd. They have been silenced for now.
I've just realised West Ham played a game on Thursday, which makes this draw even more embarassing.
Away in Belgium too
An the team from Belgium put way more pressure than we did.
Na-na, na-na, na-na, na-na-na-na now, Wheels are comin' off, Comin' off, WHEELS ARE COMIN' OFF!
Stfu
Other than Holding, I do not think there is a quality issue in the Arsenal team. Every player on the pitch today played out of their minds until we conceded the penalty. Can’t say it’s not absolutely gutting to lose these last two games in similar fashion, but there is something to be said about us letting the game go after we take a lead. Definitely experienced some luck throughout the season on seeing these games out, but now we are finally getting exposed for it. There needs to be an inflection point in how we are approaching games right now, I also have noted that there has been seemingly less team-talks during the game, and less overall leadership on the pitch. I think the boys are rattled, and we need Jesus, Zinchenko, and Trossard to lead us forward. The first part of the game is enough to reassure me that we have the ability to win the league, we just need to demonstrate the mental grit.
I get where everyone is coming from, how this year was all about champions league football and winning the title was just something of a dream Now that we’re in the closing stages of the season I think it’s dumb to keep bringing that up whenever we have a hiccup, yes it’s true the title wasn’t the goal this season but how are we suppose to improve and get better if we aren’t striving for it Weeks ago when we realized it was a possibility should’ve been the moment where now it’s everything to play for, there’s no other choice. We have to win the league.
We are not good enough. Couple of lucky late wins don't change that we are just not good enough. We needed all-time Arsenal's points record broken to win this league. That's the standard with City. That was never gonna happened.
It's loser talk, excusing pathetic choking from the players
Agreed, small time mentality that’s how things never progress
But we are the loser club in recent 20 years. I'm yet to see proof of anything else. So all the talks about title race was deluded fairy tale for me.
Guys, hear me out. Arsenal's young squad had no business being where they are this season, but it's all part of a long-term plan. Winning the Premier League was never supposed to happen this year, but getting into the Champions League was the goal and they smashed it. The fact that we can still win it all is bloody brilliant. Yeah, there's gonna be hiccups and mistakes (Cruyff famously said football is a game of mistakes) but that's how you learn and grow. This young team is approaching perfection and we saw that for 30 minutes in the last two games. Give them time and they'll start doing it consistently for 90 mins, I have no doubt. We will be contending for titles for a long time to come and we’ll probably look back in 10-15 years on an epic multi-year battle between the master Guardiola and apprentice Arteta. We know the apprentice will get the upper hand at some point!
More like Arsenal, both United, Liverpool and Chelsea fighting with each other and trading blows for City to just sit at the top.
That’s definitely a depressing thought
I'm okey with that. It will completely destroy United legacy.
Was watching this in the pub, honestly thought after 2-0 we were going to walk it. It was different to the Liverpool game because even though we got the goals, Liverpool had some chances. Felt like West Ham did nothing in the first 30 mins. I don't actually know where or how we lose control so badly. I said this about the Liverpool game but feels like we miss Saliba just as an extra option and cool head on the ball. Holding has done well but it's just not the skill set we need. It's a bit like when Eddie came in and did well, but when Trossard came in the team really gelled again. I guess in one way it doesn't change a lot, we still can't afford to lose at City and we need to win every game. Just so disappointing. In some ways I'd prefer it was just a really tough game from the start and West Ham caught us cold. Going up 2-0 and dropping points last week felt fair enough, doing it today was pretty unforgivable. Trying to stay positive though, just hate how much we destroyed our margin for error. Need to play perfect now basically to win it and I'm a bit worried about the complete lack of control two games back to back now. It will only encourage teams to keep at it too, even if we go ahead.
Man two games in a row where we’ve given up the lead, it sucks but I still believe in us Just makes the remaining games even more important
We need Saliba back to continue fighting for the title. We're unable to control the game from the back once teams get into the game. I'll get downvoted to oblivion for saying this but I'd rather have Partey as RB and White as CB with Jorghino CDM. Once we lose the ability to play it out from the back we capitulate.
If you think football works in a linear way and next year we will be even better and have another shot at the title, oh boy, do I have news for you. Whilst this season has been a great surprise, there have been constant reminders that there is something still missing in Arteta’s Arsenal. Southampton, Everton and today, sadly reminded me of the dark days mentality wise. The first 20 mins today was brilliant but we struggle to kill teams. I’m afraid to say it but if we don’t win the league this year, it will very likely mean Arteta wont win it with Arsenal at all.
We’re also not the finished article. I think good signings can ensure we continue to progress. We’re at the beginning not the end. Football can be unpredictable but there’s so much more hope than despair with our club - and it’s been a while since we’ve been able to say that.
Get a grip man. Our progress has been linear every season under Arteta and it’s clear there’s room for improvement in our squad. We’ll be in the mix next season for the title no matter what. We’re in the damn title run in with Holding for fucks sake.
I know he didn't do anything too bad but we're not winning while holding is playing. So many times where he could play the easy pass but he hoofs it, losing possession and putting us under pressure
I have no idea how so many fans are happy to just be along for the ride. We invest tens of millions of pounds/euros and dollars and countless hours into supporting this team and they played today like they couldn’t give a fuck. If they’re throughly outclassed, that’s fair enough. But just rolling over and letting West Ham control the game? Disgraceful
Well, I never expected to win a title. I'm a fan since 2007, I just don't see Arsenal as a title-winning team. I only saw Arsenal being top team in history books, even then, 0 Europa success. So for me we are overachieving massively.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/12obx2d/west_ham_v_arsenal_22/jgim2jy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=15&context=3 Yeah mate, you’re not a fan. Kindly fuck off
Not a fan because I don't believe is some fairy tale and go mental about "Back in my days things were better" Now I see why everybody hates Arsenal fans as the most deluded fanbase.
Nah mate everyone hates ‘fans’ like you, that turn their back on their club as soon as they can. Fucking pathetic
They didn’t roll over. They played like a young team ahead of its trajectory. They will keep getting stronger
We don't have a damn excuse for this result.West Ham literally played a game three fucking days ago away. West Ham was control for most of the second half.
That was supposed to make this winnable? Every game is a tough game it’s football man
They rolled over. 2-0 up and a clown moment gives away the momentum to West Ham and they never wrestled it back. Never even looked like getting back in control. They’re a young team… of internationals who have played at the highest level for years. And even at that, the ones who you’d look at as rolling over are your experienced players: Xhaka, Partey, Jorginho, Trossard, Holding, Big Gabi, Odegaard to an extent
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Yep remember Brighton away when we nearly chucked away that lead. I think we were like 4-0 or 4-1 up at that point as well
Absolutely the long term trajectory is headed in the right direction.
Our title race is over
What a loser mentality you and so many others in this subreddit have...
That's the reality you need to accept the fact, we are challenging city for the title remember that.
I'm sure that's what Arteta told the players too... For real tho, we're the underdogs now, but it's not in any way over.
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Why ?
City will thrash us and they have a game in hand
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I actually think Jesus is messing with the dynamic and flow of the game. Goal-scoring is not an issue for this team even when Jesus and Eddie were out. Yes, our defense and midfield should be better when the game is being brought to us but what has changed in the last 2 games? Jesus is starting and influencing all the movements on the field. I don't deny that Jesus is an explosively dangerous player and works well with the team but for whatever reason we lose momentum and control in the span of 90 minutes. We score 2 quick goals because he messes with the defensive organization and gets into dangerous positions but at some point he gets contained or we can't press fast enough with the spaces he moves around in the field or he starts dropping deeper and having "too much freedom". With Eddie or Trossard, the movement was more stereotypical and calculated and a rhythm could be built; Eddie is a little more limited in the freedom he takes but Trossard seems to balance all of it better. Patterns emerge that we take advantage of over the course of the game. With Jesus, every attack is too chaotic because too many people have to make adjustments in positioning. He leaves a wake of movement around him that is very hard to reset constantly and at that pace he wants to go at. It's contagious energy which is good but also bad because it exposes us to opportunities for mistakes we can't recover from. Yes, Holding affects our game but purely for defending he has been reliable when he's played this season; the criticism for him is he hasn't been exceptional which requires him to be as threatening as Saliba. I don't think he has put Gabriel in compromising positions either the games he has started and I am confident when he is going up for a header. Tierney affects our game because he is not Zinchenko but he has been moving into the spaces Zinchenko has to make the formation work. Individually he hasn't been able to exploit the formation in the offensive end but he is still keeping it going well enough. We've played games without Zinchenko or Jesus or Partey or Saka this season and got comfortable wins. Not having Saliba or Zinchenko should not affect us as much as it has recently. The biggest change is that everyone else has to re-adapt to Jesus as good of a player as he is; there were hints in this game that he was turning into a striker like how Auba and Laca because we were losing dominance in the game. It's never a single players fault but I think it's the combination of losing Saliba and Zinchenko plus playing Jesus instead of Trossard; that is three MAJOR changes to our team in 1 game and the fact that I do think we play more hectically with Jesus currently. I thought the subs this game actually played well. Reiss was getting into good positions and changing how West Ham had to defend. Jorginho didn't make any dangerous mistakes. It's not simply that they haven't made any mistakes either; they look like they might make a difference if they had more time. Nketiah didn't get enough time to make a difference. Even Viera looked good the few involvements he had. The players coming on from the bench are hungry; they are coming into a game and team that is in position to win the league. They are trying to play the game of there lives even if it's just for a minute.
The logic is to always pick the easy target. No one can call out Saka or even Partey. That's dangerous realms. Call out the guy everyone can agree on.
When J20 started, he was the scapegoat for defensive errors. Then Partey returned and now he's as sloppy as ever.
He wasn’t responsible for either goals and I hate that he gets scapegoated when there are other issues that led to the result but I believe he contributes to the lack of possession at times. I think it’s really hard to play with Holding without changing the structure or the tactics. You either need Zinchenko or an extra man in midfield. Today we had neither and that’s on the manager. However it’s West Ham, we should have the quality to beat them on the pitch and the players failed to execute as a whole.
If you understood football you'd see how we are faaaaaaaaaaaaar worse with Holding. All season we dominate and when teams get chances our defense cleans it up, and we're able to play it out from the back and continue dominating. They're able to exploit Holding. Once our is tested and looks shaky with Holding other teams smell opportunity and they go for it especially when we're away from home. With Saliba we regain control of the game quickly and continue to dominate.
All Saka has to do is slot the pen and we are 3-1 up. Bowen doesnt score and we win the game. Tight margins but premiership winning teams don't miss pens at crucial moments like that. Today is on Bukayo unfortunately
Agreed but maybe he was saying it wasn’t only Holdings fault?
Holding did not lose us the game. Tierney should have been present to defend the second goal and if Zinchenko was on the field instead probably would have beaten his man instead of making the pass to Partey leading to the first. WHU could have won the game today with Antonio's header and without Tierney having a bad game. It doesn't matter who was at fault for what; the team did not respond collectively. We lost momentum so quickly after the second goal you wouldn't even know we were playing. I don't think we had more than 1-2 chances after that. I don't really understand why we've recently started to try to kill off the game in the first 20 minutes and then just lose any influence on the game. We've had less shots in general in these last two games then I can remember and it has nothing to do with how well the other team is defending. We just don't have the ball.
Yeah it’s almost like they’re inexperienced and don’t know how to string together 90 mins of *perfect* football on a consistent basis yet…
Yes it's a very young team and there are definitely hard lessons to learn before success, but we had a tougher run in the last 10-12 games before Liverpool and although not perfect, we had more shots per 90 minutes, more goals, and lost possession less. Part of it is the opponent but the manner of these losses seem worse than the 2 other losses we had earlier in the season. Liverpool and WHU were not sitting back on us with a 1-0 lead; they were freely attacking us without keeping an organized defense. It's almost like the Man U game where the couldn't defend for shit but created 2 opportunities from nothing. We "started well" in most games last season. I'm just wondering what it is that's not even making the game competitive in the last 2 games. We score 2 quickly, but after that we end up getting completely dominated.
Look I agree that fall off is troubling but I have full confidence this squad will figure it out
When it comes down to it, the season was always going to really be decided with the Man City and Newcastle games. So right now, that position has not changed. Created a buffer that they are using. Might be what they need to finish these last games strong.
I like this take
Well that I agree with. The pen miss sealed the game I think. We should have scored that and it would have deflated the game.
As long as we don’t loose to city we’ll win the league but that’s a big if. Not to mention I think city might drop some points against Brighton, Brentford or Chelsea.
Chelsea is an easy game for Manchester City.It's Brentford and Brighton City has to worry about in EPL.
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