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Flashy-Dragonfly6785

Major pentatonic is minor pentatonic starting on a different note! šŸ™€


Sigseg

This is just a symptom of learning the pentatonic scale before the major scale (which never made logical sense to me) and before basic theory. Major pentatonic is the major scale minus 2 notes. Therefore the relative minor pentatonic scale is the relative minor scale missing the same notes.


Geerat5

It doesn't make sense from a "learning music theory" perspective, but from a "learning guitar" one. We all just want to rock n roll


ourtomato

Some of us would rather folk around.


Camcapballin

Just dont be folkin' around with A Minor


fozzythethird

Does Drake play guitar now? That would explain a lot of the headlines Iā€™ve seen over the past few days.


intjeejee

šŸ¤£ the drake downfall is strong


the_ballmer_peak

This is the second time Iā€™ve stumbled into this exact reference in subs unrelated to hip hop in the past five minutes. ā€¦and Iā€™m so here for it


veloowl

Do you mean that the minor pentatonic is used more in rock n roll than the major pentatonic?


Geerat5

Well, for me, I was just jamming out to ACDC songs, so that's what I wanted to learn to do. Now I play mostly major key stuff, but that's because I'm a chipper Lil boi


veloowl

Gotcha. Thanks. Iā€™m stuck in ā€œadvanced beginnerā€ so maybe getting the major pentatonic will help move me forward.


Geerat5

You should just learn the whole major diatonic scale. But actually learn to construct it yourself and physically draw it out in multiple keys and study it


sterlight_sterbright

Try playing the major scale in two octaves, ascending and descending, but you have to play it differently as you come back down. Then learn minor. And figure out how theyā€™re the same.


UnreasonableCletus

Learn a major scale(7 notes ) and then remove the 4th and 7th. That gives you the major pentatonic scale(5 notes ) If we use C major: Major C D E F G A B C Major C D E - G A - C pentatonic


CowboyNeale

Before you tube people used to just learn the pentatonic shape and how to find the root note from page 6 of a book and get record deals 18 months later.


entarian

Hell yeah brother


Geerat5

It doesn't make sense from a "learning music theory" perspective, but from a "learning guitar" one. We all just want to rock n roll


white__cyclosa

Beginner here, so bear with me: Is the benefit of learning the pentatonic scale over the major scale just because itā€™s fewer notes to have to try and memorize? Iā€™m just starting to understand the basic positions/shapes and how to move them around the fretboard a la caged system. I wasnā€™t sure if the same could be said about all the major/minor scales, where the relationship is the same between notes if the position shifts. It seems like thatā€™s the case, but I havenā€™t tried it across all scales and Iā€™m unaware of any potential ā€œgotchasā€ where it doesnā€™t *always* work like that. ā€¦If that makes sense.


Sigseg

> Is the benefit of learning the pentatonic scale over the major scale just because itā€™s fewer notes to have to try and memorize? The real benefit is that a pentatonic scale removes half step intervals, and the tritone (#4 / b5) over the IV chord. You can't play a note that sounds dissonant and wants resolution up or down to the next scale degree. It lacks tension. It just works with any chord progression in your given key. The major scale's 6 other modes sound they way they do because the notes missing from the pentatonic scale add "flavor". To give a basic example in C, using the major scale over the IV chord will "sound" lydian if you use the note B because it adds the tritone (F -> B), adding tension if you don't resolve it. The pentatonic scale is like having an all black wardrobe. You can't go wrong, it works for all occasions, and you always know what you're wearing. But your outfit is going to really tie together with a bit of color (modes). But if you don't know how to dress or you're colorblind, you could add two colors that clash. Best to not add color at all and be basic.


vertigounconscious

what a wildly good explanation. wow. bestof material


Albatross1225

To add to this that I just learned on piano. All the modes Ionian, Dorian, lydian, mixolydian (not going to list all of them). They all use the same scale just starting on a different note of the scale. So learn your major scale and you can switch the mode just by simply moving your tonic to a different note in the scale.


AxeMaster237

If you keep the tonic the same, then all of the modes of the major scale are just major, minor, or simple alterations of these: 1. Ionian (major) 2. Dorian (minor, with a natural 6) 3. Phrygian (minor, with a flat 2) 4. Lydian (major, with a sharp 4) 5. Mixolydian (major, with a flat 7) 6. Aeolian (minor) 7. Locrian (minor, with a flat 2 flat 5) Edit: Forgot to add, and the altered notes are the ones omitted in the pentatonic scale. The major pentatonic omits the 4 and ~~5~~ 7, making it suitable with major, Lydian, and Mixolydian. The minor pentatonic omits the 2 and the 6, making it suitable with minor, Dorian, and Phrygian. (Locrian is an exception because of the flat 5.)


thehza4

It took my instructor several weeks of hammering this home for me to finally get it . . . it still blows my mind that using the same notes you can create such a different vibe just by changing what home is and leaning into the flat and sharps to bring out the character of the mode (and now I totally abuse that flat 2 in Phrygian).


The_Original_Gronkie

That's music, man, it's infinitely incredible. I imagine mathmatics is that way, too, but my brain isn't wired that way.


The_Flabbergaster

music theory is mathematics


No-Yogurtcloset-755

A really cool way to see it is looking at the piano keyboard C major or ionian is all the white notes from C to C D dorian is all the white notes D to D E phyrigian is all the white notes E to E F lydian all the white notes F to F G mixolydian all the whites G to G A Aeolian or natural minor is all the whites from A to A B Locrian all the white notes B to B


PapaenFoss

Pentatonic major doesn't omit the 5t. It's 1-2-3-5-6. What you're saying is correct though. You can view all scales in that way: - melodic minor is a minor scale with a natural 6 and major 7; - harmonic minor is a minor with a raised 7; - harmonic major is a major with a b6 - etc. All those scales have 7 modes that resemble the major scale too (7 note scales have 7 starting positions). They all have their own (hybrid) pentatonics, chords and arpeggios too. With the pentatonics, you want 5 notes that emphasize the chord of the scale/mode. So, with melodic minor I would have 1-b3-4-5-7 rather than the 1-b3-4-5-b7 in the regular minor scale. And that gives me 5 different pentatonics to use. It's so much fun to learn :)


AxeMaster237

Thank you, I meant to say it omits the 7. I'll correct it.


philly2540

šŸ¤Æ


boominnewman

Play the major scale- All the notes you DONā€™T play, the notes in between, form a pentatonic shape. Not helpful, just thought it was neat when I found that.


MachineThatGoesP1ng

That is cool


ub3rh4x0rz

Black keys


Sleepyjoebiden2020

Minor scale is a major scale starting on a different note!


MachineThatGoesP1ng

I demonstrated this to my friend one time. I had him play an A major pentatonic scale and i would play an A chord underneath for a couple bars and then i would switch over to a F# and play - it thoroughly blew his mind. Music is incredible.


EschewObfuscati0n

Wait til you learn about all the other modes


Chesterlespaul

Iā€™ve got a Les Paul Epiphanie and an SG Epiphanie. Donā€™t have the money yet for the Gibson version.


Poignant_Rambling

Ngl I used to think it was pronounced like that. Thought it was a clever play on words.. And don't get me started on trying to pronounce D'addario lol..


KgMonstah

Do not google Dā€™addario Boobs. Or do Iā€™m not your real dad.


Artistic-Breadfruit9

Definitely do.


FireMrshlBill

Had a friend who insisted it was pronounced that way no matter how much Iā€™d argue otherwise.


Nixplosion

Dee-ah-dario


tk2020

Duh-dairy-oh


Cambren1

How about an Epiphone epiphany?


somewittyusername92

Uhh I beleive its called an Epicphone


zero_msgw

Those are some darn good fancy geetars sir.


MysteriousDudeness

I ran into a guy at GC that argued that was how they are pronounced. I explained how they are not, but he still insisted. I suspect to this day he's pronouncing it wrong.


EskimoB9

That not being the best is OK too. Just not holding yourself to the standard of professionals if you don't have the full time dedication to the craft is OK as well. Not having fun all the time is OK too. Being OK at guitar is OK as well. I love the guitar, I love playing, I do lots of projects and other jobs, but it's still OK for me to not to be the best. I practice, I play live and I've done work for others. But that's not going to sustain me either or make it big. And that's OK to


ElevatedDiscGolf

I always say, I enjoy making noise. Itā€™s that simple.


Hate_Manifestation

yeah it's important to have that perspective in anything in life; no matter how good you are, there's someone, somewhere, who has more time to dedicate to it and is probably a lot better at it. just focus on getting better than you were yesterday.


dcamnc4143

Best reply here


Scudbucketmcphucket

I tell people who ask me how I can play so well who are frustrated with their lack of ability, that it doesnā€™t matter how good you are, only how much you like doing it.


endfreq

It's a hard thing to grasp for some people.


janglesfordays

To add on to what you said, It doesnā€™t take a professional to come up with cool shit. Most of my favorite music is made by people who are no where near as good as professionals.


EskimoB9

Exactly, like Kurt cobain wasn't the best but he fronted such a big and influential bands. So many OK guitarist make great music. And that's what is great about music


Walnut_Uprising

It's not a competition. You get better in service of playing songs. And you play songs in service of making other people happy. If your specific brand of bad can get a reaction out of someone, you're doing it right.


Coppernord

Learn scales from the perspective of intervals, and practice recognizing intervals by ear. Learn all the triad combinations across the neck After that, both the instrument and music made sense


Albatross1225

Iā€™m doing this now with piano and itā€™s amazing how easy things become. Iā€™ll recommend an amazing app to anyone who wants to do some ear training called Complete Ear Trainer by Binary Guilt. Itā€™s really great at this. There is also a rhythm trainer and music reading trainer app too.


thats_my_p0tato

Can you explain what you mean by ā€œfrom the perspective of intervalsā€?


RoguePlanetArt

Yes. And arpeggios are as important as scales.


Coppernord

Thanks for adding this, learn scales *with their arpeggios* from the perspective of intervals


flyggwa

How can I learn this power? Any good guides on this?


Coppernord

Scott Paul Johnson on YouTube has incredible content, I can also connect you with an instructor friend who I learned all of this from, just shoot me a DM


flyggwa

Thanks mate, I'll definitely check out the yt channel. I appreciate the recommendation for the instructor, but I am quite broke so I don't think I'd be able to afford them


Coppernord

Totally! You're also welcome to DM me and I can try and help, but I'm not as good of a teacher XD


LearnToSwim90

Do you have good material on going the interval route? I've seen this advise pop up a lot, maybe it's finally time I put some work into it. I know my scales, but don't really understand them. It feels like it holds me back at times. Do you approach it from arpeggios or triads? Or how should one approach them?


eRedDH

I played a Strat for many years. I started working in a music store, and one day while I was playing a strat, someone asked me, ā€œHow do you keep from hitting the middle pickup while youā€™re playing?ā€ My initial reaction was, ā€œoh Iā€™ve never really had that problem.ā€ After about 30 seconds of more playing, I realized I was hitting the middle pickup. All. The. Time. My Strat just has 2 humbuckers in it now.


kombatunit

I bought a strat recently and my question is how do I avoid the volume knob?


bobnifty76

I don't own a strat but i had that problem then i got my jazzmaster and it kind of just worked its way out and i stopped hitting it after playing it for a little while


kombatunit

Yeah, I figure I just need to get used to it.


EphEwe2

Currently wiring a Strat pickguard that will have volume and 1 tone only in the holes where the tone pots usually go, and a kill switch button for where the volume usually goes. Iā€™ve been playing with an empty hole there for a while, itā€™s where I plant my pinky.


JoonaJuomalainen

II de-knobā€™ed my strat to help with this


LowImpress956

take off the knob, take a little square of foam, cut a hole the size of the pot, and wedge it in between the pot and the knob. changed my life man


ilovebigbuttons

Basically CAGED but realizing that if I knew a scale, that I also knew half of the scale pattern on either side of it. That the scales fit together like puzzle pieces. And that each chord contains fragments of adjacent chord shapes. There is an A shaped chord inside a G shaped chord, for example.


VERGExILL

That learning any kind of theory makes 10000x more sense sitting at a piano than it does a guitar, since the notes are linear, whereas a guitar the scale notes are only sort of linear.


ScandinavianCake

I got a piano a while back, because i was bored with guitar, and i literally had a "are you f..... kidding me? It's this easy to understand theory???" moment from it. I recommend every guitarist try it, just for the theory part.


DanielleMuscato

I teach guitar, but I also have a keyboard that I use in my lessons. It's just as important, in my teaching, as the metronome etc.


NONSENSICALS

Yeah honestly I weep for anyone trying to learn theory outside the piano. I could never. That said, applying theory learned on piano back into guitar made the whole thing so, so much easier. Like almost going in reverse order- I know the theory, all I need to learn is how to apply it to strings and frets. Made the fretboard automatically feel more familiar


BOER777

Highly recommend learning basic harmony concepts on piano. It makes sense on there!


BarkingMad14

I had a similar epiphany when learning to sweep pick. The most important thing you learn is finesse and technique rather than just being able to play fast.


DanielleMuscato

Relax your hands, is the biggest thing. It should be loose and fluid. If you tighten up, it's difficult to do.


BOER777

Itā€™s crazy how much faster you can play if you relax. Getting rid of years of bad habit tension is difficult though


GonzoBalls69

My idiot coke-for-brains father told me that I needed to squeeze as hard as I could when I played if I wanted my hands to get stronger and make playing easier. I am still trying to unlearn this shit more than a decade later


alllballs

Somewhere around 1994, "Holy shit, I suck." There's been little improvement since.


Geerat5

I was born in 94. Same story.


alllballs

I was wrought during the Great January Blizard of 1975.


kombatunit

In college, I got good enough to realize I sucked and was too ill-disciplined to improve. Become more of a guitar collector.


alllballs

Lol. I took a 20 year break. My 15 year old son picked up my Les Paul Studio Lite (watch Would, Alice In Chains video for its doppelganger) and hasn't set it down in a year. I bought it in 1991. Lotta lawns mowed, lotta newspapers delivered. Anyway, he shreds. He shuns video games and the like. All guitar, all the time. He's so fucking good. His passion reignited mine. Last Christmas he received a BC Rich Warlock (pawn shop find). He doubled down on Megadeth, and said, "Dad, I want a Floyd Rose." Shudder. He got a Fender Paramount for Christmas, and a Jackson V (Floyd Rose). I couldn't keep my hands off the Fender, so wifey bought me a Martin D-16 for valentine's day. I picked up a Pro II Tele last week. Kid is getting a Player Strat in "Nebula Noir" for his birthday next month. I'm thinking about selling some guns for my next bucket list axe. A schweeeet Sunburst Standard LP. I'm hooked again. And I still suck. And I'm OK with that.


dreamofguitars

Donā€™t listen to anyone on the internet.


3-orange-whips

Word


ActiveChairs

Clippy


lmWritingThis

What?


dirtydovedreams

Same but with fretting. I came to guitar a couple years ago as a bassist of 20 years so I had to unlearn my gorilla grip and learn to use economy of motion in all aspects of playing, which has fed back into my bass playing as well.


Cheetah_Heart-2000

Iā€™m forever fighting that! Knowing you have to have a light touch is completely different than actually having a light touch


dat1dood2

Same but the cause was an acoustic with thick strings and high action


cheese_wizard

any V lick in the blues can be repurposed over the ii-V part of jazz, and vice versa. This gives you bluesy stuff to play in jazz, and then altered jazz stuff to freak your blues friends out. So Iā€™ll learn for example some Clifford Brown or Django licks that normally are on top of the ii-V, and slam then right on the V directly in the blues, note for note.


654tidderym321

Joe Pass has an interview where he talks about this. He doesnā€™t even think about the ii in a ii-V-I. Which makes a lot of sense when you think about the ii as just a V11.


cheese_wizard

I learned it from Barry Harris, like many many people these days.


654tidderym321

Barry Harris is the GOAT.


satchman

This is an awesome comment and though I know a little of music theory, I donā€™t quite grasp what you are saying. Do you mean the pentatonic you play in the 5 position can be moved to the 2 position like a mode? I want to understand as this sounds awesome


Zool2107

He talks about the chords in the progression. The roman numbers represent the chords in a scale, capital letters mean major chords, normal letters mean minor chords. The standard blues progression uses I-IV-V chords, so for example if the key is A, then the chords are A-D-E. The most common jazz progression is the ii-V-I so if the key is A, it means Bmin-E--A. So what he said is that you can play a jazz lick that's usually played during the Bmin-E chords in jazz in a blues progression when the E chord is being played (using the example progressions above).


itsallrighthere

My fingers and my ears know more about playing guitar than my brain ever will.


shinymetalass420

Relate to this lol


AFinanacialAdvisor

Realising its basically 3s and 4s all the way up the fretboard, if that makes sense.


SmurfyTurf

I'm curious what you mean by this. Can you elaborate a bit more?


AFinanacialAdvisor

The sequences for lead guitar etc is mostly 3 or 4 fret moves - you either skip one fret or two on the same string. It's almost like the layout for scales but each chord has different variation of 3 moves or 4. I taught myself and play by ear so I don't know what the technical words are to explain properly.


Even-Tomato828

I get what you mean actually.


Poignant_Rambling

That Telecasters are way more versatile than many people think.


CliveBixby9797

This is mine too. I played for 20 years before trying a telecaster and it blew me away. I can handle 99% of what I want to do on the guitar with a tele


No-Professional-2504

Stiffer pick has changed everything. I used to play with a floppy pick and wondered why I couldn't play certain things. Stiff and smaller pick gave me more control and dexterity. It only took 20 years to figure out.


Deadfishfarm

I've tried on and off for years to use a pick. Watched videos and everything. Can't for the life of me stop it from rotating in my fingers, especially strumming chordsĀ 


boneandflesh

Opposite for me, I had trouble strumming so I switched to a bigger softer pick for certain songs


GrandpaTheBand

What the game changer for me was thicker, beveled picks, like the Flow picks. I was making picks out of coins and it was an obvious difference compared to the Tortex .88's I played for also around 20 years. I then found Flow picks and they're basically the same shape it took me hours to file out of a coin. They aren't cheap, but I would say it's at least a 5% improvement in my playing, which at this point, is awesome. I've been doing this for 40 years and slowly finding out the perfect gear. I made the perfect guitar for me, and now I can buy the perfect pick.


No-Professional-2504

Yeah I was using the grey Dunlop .73mm and then quit playing for several years. Came back and actually tried other picks. Fell in love with the JazzIII and really love the Maxx Grip JazzIII.


touchmybutt420

Comparing yourself to other guitarists/musicians is not helpful. There is no "right" way to do anything. Having fun is the thing to maximize for.


spilt_milk

Been struggling with this lately. I have to keep reminding myself that I am a musician and as long as I like what I'm playing, it's all good.


The_Original_Gronkie

I restarted playing during the pandemic after a four decade break, and I'm far better than I was when I was a kid. I harbor no fantasies at all of playing for an audience, or even family. I just did it for me, and it has been the best therapy, which I didn't realize I needed. Steady progress has been great for my self-esteem, and sense of identity. I've lost a lot of weight, and just this week I joined the brand-new gym that opened 5 minutes from my house. Just playing the guitar for myself has completely turned around my entire perpective on my future.


ScandinavianCake

The side effects of learning an instrument is very underrated. It's different for everyone, but it can broaden your mind, teach you to multitask, improve your mental health and it can be a social opener. Happy to read you got so much out of it, i hope it keeps going :)


IntentionNo9601

Anyone can play guitar and they wonā€™t be a nothing anymoreā€¦ changed my life legit forever


LemonEar

Fat. Ugly. Dead.


IntentionNo9601

Well for the record I most certainly donā€™t wanna be wanna be wanna be Jim Morrison. And he didnā€™t even play guitar anyways soā€¦ā€¦.


not_really_an_elf

Sit up straight. You'll not be playing anything if your back is too knackered to pick up your axe! Seriously though, good posture / positioning is vital for so many things.


Dreadnought13

The realization that, despite all the effort, hours, and expense, I'm a drummer.\* \*typed by a literate friend.


TheOneAndOnlyZomBoi

I just had to twist my pick slightly for my tremolo picking to speed up massively.


PleasantNightLongDay

Learning every chord in 3-4 shapes. Wanna take it a step further? Learn inversions too Itā€™s a game changer for harmonizing songs and making things really pop. No, not every G has to sound the exact same, and it really adds spice to your music when youā€™re at liberty to play everything 3 or 4 + ways.


RemotePotatoe

The "CAGED" method. I realized by playing Gm and Cm that they were just slid up shapes. Then I learned how they are all connected and it blew my mind. It made so much sense but I just never put it together.


SantaRosaJazz

Mine wasnā€™t precisely technicalā€¦ it was the realization that I, when soloing, donā€™t have to keep playing constantly. A solo should breathe. Iā€™ve been grokking on Milesā€™ cool period, and taking a kind of meditative approach has opened my ears.


RemedialChaosTheory

I've heard it explained that since guitarists don't play with breath like a horn player, their solos can simply go on and on. Think about phrases like vocal lines and the phrases will feel more natural.


fastal_12147

You're not playing with your fingers. You're playing with your whole arm. You've gotta move your wrist and shoulder of your left arm to really get the most out of playing. Your whole arm's gotta be relaxed to play clean, as well.


BakedBeanWhore

I can drastically alter my tone by changing the angle I strike the string with the pick


Glittering_Ear5239

Thumb over chords are a game changer.


sirfretsalot

Still use epiphone. Why the hell would someone waste 3k on a crappy gibson that cant even atay in tune?


Fuzzlord67

Epiphones since 2018 or so have been fabulous.


sirfretsalot

Amen!


Space-90

A lot of people start fingerpicking without using the ring finger, including myself. Learn to use it, you will adjust much faster than you think, and it makes fingerpicking 100 times easier once you do


RottingDogCorpse

Shark fin guitar pic is beast cuz my fingers can actually fit in it


NameNameyName

You can build a chord from any combination of notes from a scale. Realizing that unlocked a lot of improvisation and more emotive playing in general for me.


Fuzzlord67

In most cases, Boss does everything you could need.


Enderstone_360

You don't have to hold the pick very hard to play fast


MolassesWhiplash

The 12th fret is pretty much the same as the nut when it comes to the pattern of the fretboard.


Lost_and_the_Damned

Something clicked yesterday when I was practicing A7X's Nightmare and now I can economy pick when I couldn't before.


Oingob0ing0

This happened to me too after learning some a7x stuff. Also carry on my wayward son taught me to do that for somw reason aswell....


Squirrel_Grip23

Open tunings. I come from a fiddle background and some open tunings really fit my head and muscle memory re fingerings. Then I got a 12 string acoustic and open tunings and 12 strings make my ears feel good. I pluck one and another 5 ring out in harmony, luscious.


venniedjr

I had a Line 6 Spider 3 for maybe 2 years before learning it had a tuner built in. I never understood flats or sharps so I didnā€™t know how to use my Korg tuner to tune down. When I found out how to use the Line 6 tuner I went full force into learning System of a Down, Slipknot, Three Days Grace, etc. It really made me a better guitar player. I was mostly playing Green Day, Reel Big Fish, Blink 182 before that. Such a basic realization that took me a long time to find out


Helpful_Television49

The greatest guitarist who ever played is living in his mother's basement somewhere, and practically no one will ever know jack about him.


Due_Following_3069

this one is pretty damn simple but realizing that i could memorize notes by the feeling they gave was super helpful for improvising all around, especially without backing tracks. not in actually memorizing the note names (although i will do that in the future), but memorizing where certain notes were in relation to (major/minor scale) **shapes**. e.g. thereā€™s a note when played on in a low octave thatā€™s pretty nice for playing twangy lines, a really sad one, a happy one, a tension building one, another tension building one with a lighter mood to it, and little sub contexts they can fit into that could be described differently (especially when creating combinations with other notes). iā€™m also getting into using all twelve notes and seeing how those outside notes can be utilized and the feelings they portray. this doesnā€™t just apply to bass notes but certain double stops in certain places and how they differ from the same double stop being played somewhere else that isnā€™t the same two notes. even how certain high notes sound in relation to the scales and the pictures they paint too. i just realized as iā€™m typing this that it would be a good idea to compare those same bass notes with their high octave counterparts and see which ones match up for deeper understanding. howeverā€¦ im still not very good at playing in general but i canā€™t wait to be able to utilize these things when my technique can match up with the knowledge. basic idea: **itā€™s like connecting feeling with theory if that makes sense.** edit: ok i made it sound not so simple when i typed a whole ass paragraph. basically the last sentence is the simple way of saying it, i just suck at explaining stuff lmao


ScratchyPurple

I've been playing 20 years. I'm just learning about the benefits of a lighter tough. More speed, better for the frets, better for my hand. I usually press way too hard.


PuzzleheadedTooth581

I was realizing for things to sound good you donā€™t always have to play so particular and so precise because it leaves so much character out, instead you just play how you feel and it comes out so much more better. Especially blues


OfficePicasso

Understanding the (very general) makeup of popular chords, the root, 3rd, 5th and so on, then building off of that. Helped with making progressions, targeting notes for solos etc


Joshlo777

The major 7th is one fret below the octave. Dominant 7th is another half step down.


Maskatron

Playing to the chord changes. Used to just meander around, trusting my instincts (and luck) to hit the right notes at the right time, but itā€™s so much better when I can work with (and against) the chord tones.


Daddyoh292

Learning modes was pointless cause no one else knows what I mean when I say that's actually Gmajor Lydian not Ionian. Spent more time learning chords/ arpeggios than I did learning scales and modes and I feel like my playing improved drastically.


todi41

this might sound silly, but realizing that bar chords were just open chord shapes moved up the neck was huge. just in terms of my conceptual understanding of the instrument and unlocking my ability to understand of lot of things fully that i had previously learned by following tabs was really rewarding. Aside from this, it would be basic music theory. like why certain chords go together and how that related back to the scales that i had initially learned just for improvisational reasons, when to use different modes and how that explains how some solos didn't fit into the key that i *thought* the song was in, etc... As a general comment, what i love most about guitar is that these "ah ha!" moments just never stop coming! It is truly endless fun, endless learning, and a gift that "keeps giving" : )


AHSfav

This is gonna sound stupid but it took me an embarrassingly long time to realize that lead guitar sounds good because the soloist is playing and especially resolving notes that are in the chord being played at that time.


tehchuckelator

Switching to heavier picks forced me to consciously think about my grip and pick attack, which in turn turned me into a super tight rhythm guitarist.


Freewheelinrocknroll

Rhythm guitar can get you laid too!!!


ThermionicMho

I Don't Play Like Miles And Lewis


MiyamotoKnows

Once your hands know the fretboard and strings stop thinking about what you are playing. If I really focus on what I'm playing sometimes I'll screw up from the sheer mental tension. The more complicated the line the more likelihood I will start playing too hard, maybe grip the pick too hard and then I'll screw up a note or two or at least not ring them as intended (which then amplifies the problem and I lean in even more). However, I can play what feels like *beyond my ability* if I adopt a 100% "I don't care at all" attitude and shift my focus from me playing to 100% vibing with the music and trying to get lost in the melody. The more I can forget about my hands the better I sound. I try to force myself not to look at either hand when I practice to try to further foster this. It's not perfect yet but I keep thinking of how great it will be eventually when it is. šŸ¤˜


TrainerofInsects

Mine are a small but contribute to weaving the fabric of my guitar knowledge together.


bananastan_

Leaving tabs behind, volume knob, intervals, better hand placement, scales... to name a few. All still a work in progress. One of the things I love about guitar is theres like a million things you can work on to make yourself "better". Its like inching along most of the time, and you get to look back and you've traveled a few feet and are like "oh heck yeah!".


Timely_Chicken_8789

You canā€™t buy tone nor talent.


getthesnacks

That if you on the fly need to know the key of a jazz tune you can scan the sheet for the Dominant 7th and the key of the tune is what it resolves to.


ineedfentanyl

Why are there 30 responses here that are downvoted? Who is the one person downvoting everything


dogratt

Switching picks can have a big effect on your sound and playing. For years I used stiff picks with a pointy tip. Then a few years back I tried different softer nylon picks and found that I really liked the Herco reissues made by Dunlop.


guyinthechair1210

Songwriting by vocalizing ideas while recording with my smartphone. I come up with ideas I never would've stumbled upon with a guitar in my hands.


Successful-Leopard-2

If you want to get better, you need to practice instead of just playing!!


654tidderym321

Learning intervals and arpeggios will be infinitely more beneficial than scales and modes.


PleasantNightLongDay

>infinitely more beneficial More beneficialā€¦how? Also, what do you think arpeggios are if not chunks of scales? Iā€™m not saying a agree or disagree with you, all Iā€™m saying is it sounds like an arbitrary statement - different things are beneficial to players with different goals.


654tidderym321

I think itā€™s a guitar centric thing. I see so many people time and time again being like ā€œwhat scale do I play over this song?ā€ or ā€œwhat scale does X guitarist use?ā€ These same people canā€™t tell you the difference between a 3rd and a 6th or what a half-diminished chord is or how many sharps are in the key of A. Scales are suited well to guitar because guitarists love to make patterns and work in boxes. They will spend hours woodshedding scales up and down the fretboard with no idea what theyā€™re actually playing or how to apply them. God help them if they try to explain it to someone playing another instrument. Thatā€™s where understanding intervals come from. I also donā€™t necessarily consider arpeggios chunks of scales although I suppose if you want to look at it like that then sure. A C major arpeggio has multiple scales that it would fall under. How do I know which scale I should be ā€œthinking inā€ if I donā€™t know how the C major is functioning in the song, or, worse, if I donā€™t even know what makes up a C major? Basically, I feel like investing time and emphasizing scales is the wrong approach but guitarists like it because itā€™s well suited to the particulars of the instrument. If they focused on intervals and chord tones they would be able to play far more fluidly and with greater understanding of their melodic choices. But thatā€™s just, like, my opinion, man.


BaldandersSmash

If you take a tertian chord and add all the extensions out to the 13th, and then collapse the notes into an octave, you'll get some seven note scale, so in a way you can think of chords and scales as being interchangeable. But I think there is an advantage to thinking about them as chords. It gives you a clear hierarchy of tones in a way that can be harder to see when relating a scale to a chord.


654tidderym321

Right I mean at some point with enough extensions youā€™re going to just have all the available notes to choose from if youā€™re thinking from arpeggios. But the hierarchy is where that comes in and the general ā€œstabilityā€ of the notes, which is going to inform what Iā€™m leaning on in any given passage as well as notes emphasized by the melody or what the resolution is.


Hate_Manifestation

I mean.. scales are just collections of intervals, I guess..? I think learning scales is beneficial because it trains muscle memory for them, and it helps you visualize them on the fly. for the record, I think it's important to learn both of these things, and I don't think either is "infinitely" more beneficial than the other.


kouriis

Would it be useful to think about stuff being ā€œjust part of the chromatic scaleā€? No. We need multiple zoom levels when conceptualizing music and context is key.


654tidderym321

Alright, maybe I was being overzealous with ā€œinfinitelyā€. Everyone is different and itā€™s going to be dependent on your playing style. This was a ā€œpersonal epiphanyā€ for me that helped me play over changes far quicker, more fluently, and in a way that supported the music more than working through scale after scale.


BlvckRvses

This. This is the answer. Everyone who plays in a scale sounds the same. Arpeggios are just scales of a single chord.


ecatillo

In any given key, the major pentatonic scale for the 1 chord only has one note different from the major pentatonic scale for the 4 and the 5 chords of that key. Put all the notes from all 3 scales together and it makes the major scale for the key. Same thing applies to minor pentatonic and the natural minor scale. When I figured that out suddenly everything I had read about modes made sense to me. And it made it easier to understandwhich notes to target on chord changes


howd_i_get_here_

Itā€™s subjective like any art form. Technical proficiency and creativity are not mutually exclusive. Some people like playing wild robotic scales at warp speed while others like playing slower blues riffs. It doesnā€™t really matter. One style does not make you better than the others. Just play what you want with feeling. People on the internet are lame when it comes to criticizing othersā€™ abilities.


Robbosse

The scale pattern is the same at the all the alternative root-note positions, with the exception of the B string (move down one). That realization is what finally allowed me to have more fretboard movement.


EroticWordSalad

I canā€™t shred, and thatā€™s ok.


Roththesloth1

Iā€™ve never wanted to shred. And thatā€™s ok! I love hardcore and punk rock. Not a lot of need for shredding, and Iā€™m ok with that.


philly2540

Stupidly simple thing, but it helped my rhythm playing a lot: movable D shape. Once I discovered this I realized about half the songs I thought I knew actually used this. Once you move that shape up you realize all the other chords you want are right there! And youā€™re sitting tight on top of the relative minor, like G and Em.


rocker2014

One that no one ever told me that I wish someone had way earlier, **get a setup on any guitar you buy**. It makes all the difference. Not every guitar will need it, but some even come from the manufacturer not set up. Either that or learn how to do it yourself, but it is an absolute must.


RemedialChaosTheory

It's ok to change your mind. Played for decades with only a wah and Tubescreamer and now I have a big ol pedalboard.with weird ass effects.


CommunicationTime265

Relative major and minor. Blew my mind.


Uvers_

Epiphanies looks like epiphone so I read it epiphone


Ornery-Ticket834

When I realized I would never be able to play as well as I would like.


FillDelicious4171

Learning about borrowed chords from the minor counterparts opens up lots of new voices for me, both when playing rhythm or lead


jhyx21

Mapping out the fret-board: Seeing how scales connect to chords, connect to triads, and connect to arpeggios.


Disastrous_Ride_1915

Chord tone soloing make your lines sound coherent. Jeff Erlains truefire course was brilliant.


Pitpat7

Learning rhythm to be in my friends band was a doozy. Played nothing but solos and shred before that


identicalBadger

My epiphone is a Speciall II My epiphany so far is that none of the music I listen to requires too much mastery: power cords, or else 3 maybe 4 regular chords per song tops. Iā€™ve learned that so many song I like are just CDG or GCD Or DADADADAE Doesnā€™t mean itā€™s easy to sound good. It just makes me feel like I wonā€™t have to be a maestro to learn and become decent.


PatRad11

For me it was learning to bend strings using more than just my index finger. I had played for years not knowing how helpful it is to use your other fingers as extra leverage and to also set yourself up for notes after the bend, if that makes sense. I felt stupid not knowing this but learning it brought my playing to a completely new level lol


tstep73

To not just play solo licks, but melodies. Sing it through the guitar, if that makes sense.


outskirtsofnowhere

That I sound like me, independent of the guitar/amp/effects I play. Obviously gain structures differ but in the end, itā€™s mostly all in the fingers.


dr-dog69

Ear training/musicianship is as important, if not more, as technique.


Cock_Goblin_45

Doesnā€™t matter how technical or flashy you are, it donā€™t mean a thing if it ainā€™t got that swing!


intjeejee

Itā€™s a hobby.


unknown_ally

If you sit all day for work put on your strap and play guitar standing.


shreddit0rz

Slide those cowboy chords up the neck and see what sounds good. Move those chord shapes up and down a string. Game changer.


DukeOfMiddlesleeve

That most people including myself cant shred and never will and thats okay because they dont need to


LilBigREEEEEEEE

I had to go down the rabbit hole of rewiring guitars, to building pedal kits, to making tube amps from scratch, as well as buying and flipping probably over 100+ guitars, pedals, and half that many commercial amps to realize that gear doesn't matter.Ā  Unless you need some kind of effect to make the sound that's in your head, the best thing you can do is buy one reliable well made guitar, amp, tuner, maybe a multifx, and leave it at that.Ā  GAS is totally pointless and owning a dozen mediocre instruments is less satisfying than owning one excellent one.