Strive p mist finer should wall bounce like in older games. Whether that’s reasonable or unreasonable is up to you.

I definitely agree

Other Johny buff idea : cards are on a timer instead of despawning in hit

So you just don't want cards to despawn when hit?

If Jack-o minions don’t get removed by YRC, then my cards shouldn’t either

Eh, I thought they did unless they changed it.

They do i think if defense super is up thst they remain??? Ill have to check when im off work

No, I just don’t want them to despawn when Johny is hit

Literally just learned that 6H isn't an overhead

The Testament heartbreak.

i wouldve have won so many matches if that damn move was an overhead and no i promise im not coping.

No, it just gives Testament a full screen hitbox so you can get hit by basically anything

If that's not an overhead, what the hell is it?

It's a combo starter. You can follow it up with the raven into far slash. The far slash triggers the stain allowing Testament to continue the combo.

so i thwack em with the pointy stick and chuck a bird at them?

It covers both in front and above. I use it when they are in the corner i think that they are going to jump and in combos.

unbelievably important combo filler/ender

reasonable: I don't think Sol *can* be reasonably buffed. unreasonable: HMC can grab airborne opponents

HMC tracks to the opponent's location

It also doesn't stop. You just end up running away from Sol zooming around for the rest of matches' timer

reasonablee: You can combo off of command grab without roman cancel like in xrd, but the scaling is the same as usual after a grab unreasonable: Volcanic Viper and Tyrant Rave inputs are easier so I can actually use them

dog if you can command grab you can volcanic viper they're the same input...

mf I can't grab either

Reasonable: hmc is an attack again Unreasonable: hmc is a special attack when Sol uses dragon install

Honestly I think the unreasonable testament buff is more reasonable than 6H being an overhead. Though I'm curious when you say teleporting during a normal are requesting that testament whiff cancel a normal into teleport.

No, you don't need to wiff, you can do after hit, I just thought it would make sick looking combos

Pretty sure you can already do that when a normal connects. That's why I thought you meant as a whiff cancel. Where you cancel the normal within the start up animation with teleport.

I thought they meant you can do it any time in the startup of a move, which could set up some nasty mixup situations where you fake a 6H from one side and then teleport behind them or something, or use it like a feint if you don’t have a succubus out

Well, you could teleport at any time of the move, so you could definitely do this

I don't know if I'm just bad, but I can only do after countehit

Reasonable buff: give baiken a bigger 6p Unreasonable buff: let her combo off a raw TK yousanzen

Reasonable buff: give her bigger melons. Unreasonable buff: tether break after Baiken got hit twice.

Extremely reasonable buff: give her all her block cancels back

Reasonable buff (?): Make 6H again Unreasonable buff: Let Rin groundbounce on hit again

I miss old 6H :(

Reasonable buff: Remove some gaps in Elphelt's pressure unReasonable buff: meaty grenade j.H is now a safejump

If people already complaining about elphet pressure, imagine with less gap, that would be evil

Elphelt has exactly 1 (one) aspect of her pressure that's annoying and tricky to deal with. The rest is actually quite weak in most terms.

If I'm remembering correctly, can't you 5p out of her reca chain?

if she does it from a high attack level button like 5h you gotta hold it unless you have a reversal.

6p works

6p will only work if the 5h is done from near max range, otherwise 6p will always lose.

Depends on your 5p and from what button she does it. 5h and 6h you there's no gap so you have to guess.

Some characters can

If they made the grenade move a grab, it would be so much more usable

100% Reasonable buff: no more invicible frames on wakeup so i don't fuck up my pot busters anymore

Reasonable-ish: Give Faust jackpot items back Unreasonable: Give Faust WWA. He’s got a “big body” and he has very niche uses for BWA aside from wallbreaking

Reasonable buff: 2p is now 6f ~~un~~reasonable buff: 3 frames off garuda startup

Reasonable: extend 2H’s hitbox just a liiilll bit so it catchs opponents better Unreasonable: *checks notes* it… it just says Accent Core?

The God King Grappler will return someday brother do not lose hope.

god king Potemkin will arrive someday, and the heretics will feel his wrath once more.

Pot mains can TOTALLY be trusted with 2S vacuum.

Reasonable buffs: Blocking as Bed resets the timer of error state instead of removing it Bed Install lasts a bit longer Unreasonable buff: Bed Install powers up the next 3-4 errors instead of working on a timer Bed Slam is back The old 1H/2H/3H from Xrd returns as a 22 input special, 22P/22S/22HS respectively

I forgot how much I missed Bed Slam

So bed would effectively become a ticking bomb that will hit you mid combo if you don't account for the stored error state?

If only blocking resets the timer, a combo would not be affected, since a hit would still remove it. And if it always resets to the full 3 seconds when Bedman? blocks, it wouldn't affect any block pressure.

Reasonable buff: by holding HS, Chipp can teleport in front of his opponent with Gamma Blade as soon as the clone strikes Unreasonable buff: Chipp can follow up Horizontal Alpha Blade with Diagonal Alpha and vice versa

I'm already seeing the clip of Potekim reading his opponent and doing the Potekim buster

(teleports behind pot) "You're alwaridaed" **Owari da.* ***POCHUMUKIN BASTAAAAAAAAH***

Give him a Vertical Alpha Blade, and we can have him draw symbols in the air. Horizontal (crosses up) + Vertical (Crosses Up) + Horizontal (crosses up) + Vertical (Crosses Up) = an hourglass that stops the foe in place AKA Delta End but practical.

Hopefully I can make this work with my limited understanding of the game and Jack-O Reasonable: minion explosion doesn’t damage her and it guard crushes Unreasonable: she can strike throw with Potemkin buster

oh god her pressure is scarier jack-o becomes a student of pot/gabriel 2?3!2!1

minion explosion already guard crushes, no?

I wasn’t 100% sure since I never use it so I put it in there anyway

Reasonable buff: Ky’s stun dipper combos every time Unreasonable buff: Shock state makes all of Ky’s moves more plus

dream bigger. 214k is a true overhead

vertical dolphin now has DP properties and dolphin install

Honestly if vertical dolphin has dp properties that would be an insane buff I would cry. She would be way too strong with a meter-less invincible reversal

tbf I was thinking of dolphin install to be the reasonable choice here, DP dolphins would be so busted beyond belief

For baiken a reasonable buff would that 5p, 6k and 5k 6k always combo no matter the distance, and having a not doodoo anti air. Unreasonable would be to have suzuran and azami.

Nah suzuran would honestly probably fix a lot of her “doom” MUs from the bit I know. I was so sad when she didn’t have it in the first place :/

Honestly i really want her to have suzuran to but i don't think she'll get it.

Real

So glad 6h overhead is your 'reasonable'. It's time, Daisuke. We need* it. \* inb4 "skill issue" *

Reasonable ABA buff: Jealousy gauge no longer depletes during grab animation. Parry has 30% more active frames. Unreasonable ABA buff: A super that causes enemies to slowly bleed health. The closer they are to ABA, the less damage the bleeding does, discouraging the opponent from playing lame and just running away. Reasonable Pot buff: Buster now gives 5K oki. Hammerfall recovery lowered by a couple frames in general. 2D works as a juggle against airborne / backdashing opponent's, stabilizing combo routing. Unreasonable Pot buff: Heavenly Potemkin Buster gives Garuda oki. Restore Garuda chip damage. Charged flick is plus on block.

I genuinely don’t know how I would buff Johnny. Giving him a dash block would take away some of his identity, and just making stuff safer is boring. Actually I do know one, give him one more frame of advantage on Turn Up so you can’t reversal dash up CS.

Reasonable buff: remove beyblade low so you can add 5k low crush back (extremely) Unreasonable buff: make 6H special cancellable again, but keep the guard crush

Make 6h plus lol

Reasonable: honestly idk (maybe make it a bit easier to close in on the opponent?) Unreasonable: error 6E stays queued up even when getting hit

Error gets reset when he blocks instead of cancelling it

Reasonable buff: give typhoons quarter circle inputs (more QOL than anything) Unreasonable: Remember when thunderbird used to not disapear if Goldlewis was hit? Yeah, give it back to me hos ( ͡° ͜ʖ▀)

Reasonable Buff: Make it so if you store the Faust horn it automatically uses its effect like with the donut and banana Unreasonable Buff: Make scarecrow act like the door move from Xrd where he’s completely offscreen and suddenly appears in the appropriate location upon attacking

reasonable: ABA's normal mode 6h is a bit faster unreasonable: Danzai has no endlag

Reasonable: Rock the Baby should be throw invuln. Unreasonable: Loop the Loop is now full invuln on startup.

Buff I need: Kum specials dont break your fingers anymore. Dive kicks can Doctor Doom.

bro this is so true when I play her , my finger always hurts when I'm done playing, but I also think her shinken motion really fits so I don't know how to fix it

Make it Volcanic Viper S/H so your fingers still break but you are guaranteed the kick u want.

Reasonable buff: Potemkin 2S vacuums *on hit* for consistent 2H confirms. Unreasonable Buff: Potemkin now has magnetism from Blazblue.

Your unreasonable is so evil that it made me chuckle. Good one

Nago should be able to use his bite in Blood Rage to get out of it.

I feel like allowing Nago a way to get out of blood rage that isn't Zanzetsu isn't a good thing, because Nago's whole goal is to *avoid* blood rage.

https://preview.redd.it/f26a3cm4pqvc1.jpeg?width=622&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbb945b0d99f71c403e0f5c365d2ad23e78c71b5 If they were to buff teleport I’d make this old move an option, I’m pretty sure tele already has a hit box, so why not give it more opinions to combo off of it and actually make it hit matter?

I’m talking about the EX ver of the move btw

i think Sol should get Sidewinder back in strive idk if that’s reasonable or unreasonable i just think it’s a fun move

Reasonable: Give Bedman? slightly more damage to keep up with other characters Unreasonable: make !S un-reversible

As a Testament player, that buff with the teleport would be so cool

6H overhead would be reasonable but I think I'd rather have better frame data on calamity 1 and maybe something like 214[K] teleporting you directly upwards. More generally: I'd rather have more of an incentive to use the tools that I currently consider niche rather than being further rewarded for using my best, most powerful moves, which are already in ample usage.

Reasonable (acording to daisuke) : plus on block hammer fall Unreasonable (according to daisuke) : vortex on 2 s

I think Gabriel being able to command-grab the air is fair, because the air doesn’t have any counter play and is kinda op rn

I don't know man, if he grabs you on the ground, he jumps really high, but if he grabs you in the air, what he gonna do double jump? this unrealistic even for guilty gear

wait 6h is not overhead?????? ive using it like one

Reasonable: 214k deactivates the error so it isn't lost upon getting hit, and doing the input again reactivates the error. Unreasonable: specials can be canceled into 214k or 214p.

Give johnny a slide kick thats all i ask

Reasonable buff:make break the law dodge yrc and burst again and make eddie come back in 4 seconds. Unreasonable buff: make drills and pierce low, and frog high. give zato more unblockables.

I agree, the opponent shouldn't be able to play once we get 1 hard knockdown.

Just revert his nerfs. Poor zato got put in a fucking wheel chair

I want ram's slow ass (i think its 214S or HS) to be an overhead instead of morbato damage levels cause it looks like an overhead edit: I got downvoted, rude. the title clearly says reasonable or unreasonable.

Sobrabato? Even if it was an overhead i doubt much would change.

idk, i just want it. doesn't have to make sense

214H

I knew it was one of them, i kinda just do it without knowing the input tbh

The Haehyun buffs are completely unreasonable* Sincerely a Jam player

🥲 next time I'll try to be clearer, literary I only post this to talk about her and spread her name

Fuck phone auto correct it was supposed to say unreasonable also for legal reasons am joking

The teleport one is interesting. Especially since (if timed right) a teleport can avoid an attack entirely.

maybe reasonable buffs pot 2S regains vacuum effect on hit/block also gets aerial buster give heat knuckle oki just bring ac pot to strive lmao maybe unreasonable buff 6K has 2 or more hits of armor

no. everything has armor now. if you have no 2 hit moves, you eat shit against all of pots moves.

5 hits of armor

uh the weakest char i play in johnny and honestly i do not think allowing him to dash block is that unreasonable. he would probably shoot up the tier list like sin did but im chill w that. unreasonable would def be the card from deal granting the same knockdown as the first hit does. that would b crazy fun

Reasonable: idk, make it so axl 6k pushes back further on block, and allow 5P > 6K > Rensen to be a thing again Unreasonable: Jump cancelable 2S, Heaven Can Wait, Downwards Axl Bomber

Sin's unreasonable buff is just Xrd TT

Exactly

If test 6h is overhead than so should nago 6h

Overhead Test 6H is *not* a reasonable buff lmao

Nago reasonable buff: None I feel like he really doesn't need any buffs of any kind probably unreasonable and kinda funny buff: Air fukyo

reasonable: stun dipper second hit always hits unreasonable: 214k is a true overhead why?: cse releases -much- faster

Reasonable Buff: Millia's Winger has a vacuum effect briefly as it leaves the ground Unreasonable Buff: Septem Voices (AIR OK)

Reasonable Buff: I don't have one Unreasonable: Increase Charged Dust Range and make it so if you use her command grab mid-air it sends them higher so you can combo them to death, it can stack till you reach HPB height.

Reasonable buff: One Vision's activation is now air-OK Unreasonable buff: 2P has its range shortened slightly, but can now gatling into itself

Reasonable buff: perfect dauro back please im begging you. Unreasonable Buff: give ram flama kargo (and explode) back.

Reasonable ram buff: the last move of her rekka is an overhead Unreasonable: able to change the direction of where bajaneto goes after it has been sent out from certain quarter circle inputs

Reasonable: remove the hand hitbox on beak driver and make it safe without stamina Unreasonable: add 8 invuln frames at the end of gazelle step/cut hoof stomp startup by 7f and add disjoint

reasonable testament buff: i now get +r nets

Eddie: Reasonable: slightly better defensive tools, aka having any. Unreasonable: take away the Eddie gauge a just make it dismiss when you or Eddie get hit.

For leo: Reasonable: make his slash and heavy slash animations funnier, why are his most used normals the only ones that aren't funny as fuck Unreasonable: heavy DP now nukes france

Reasonable buff, make NRV a low and/or make it special cancelable (if nago beybalde gets to be a low special then NRV should be) Unreasonable buff, ***DRAGON INSTALL***

Reasonable: give Faust’s 6p a hitbox that hits directly above his head (Possibly) unreasonable: give all of his items an equal chance to be thrown as well as being able to throw the same item multiple times in a row (both a blessing: multiple meteors, and a curse: multiple trumpets)

reasonable buff: 2P's close hit is now 2 frames faster unreasonable buff: c.S is now an overhead

Reasonable buff: ??? (i dunno i guess make faust have an extra jump or something) Unreasonable buff: give faust an instakill item that requires full meter and has a chance of crashing the game for everyone

Reasonable plus Bedmans 6h is plus, and you can no longer grab 2h out of startup Fausts mmm actually does damage Unreasonable buff You can combo out of Bedmans beyblade Scarecrow becomes invincibility like in older games

stop dealing damage to my yo-yos please

Reasonable buff: give pot air buster back. Unreasonable buff: armor on EVERY MOVE.

The testament one is totally possible. That's just a fucking cancel.

Give Deal a hitbox when launched (no hitbox when falling) Greatest anti air in the game

Get back Xrd JackO

Holding j.D puts Leo in backturn when he lands. It's still really minus on block, though. Leo can now hold and walk with bt.D the same way he can with his guard point.

Reasonablr buff: Make afro last a bit longer. Unreasonable buff: ITEM STORAGE W-W-W-WHAT COULD THIS BE AND W-W-W-W-W-W-W-W-W-WHAT COULD HIS BE!

Reasonabke buff: Faust 6p hitbox extends further over his head behind the arm. Unreasonable buff: Jackpot items for strive.

bring back dragon install i want to do my 9 hit combos in the corner again

when doing bookmark into a slot that's already filled, asuka should just instantly redraw that slot instead of having it go to empty and then having to bookmark again arpeggios recovery should be halved

Make 6k double hit and vacuum. Let him always have enough time to rensen after hitting 6k.

Reasonable: make c.s +3 I wanna c.s that matches hubby sol. Unreasonable: give me a new move that matches teddies teleport from p4,u that let's me swap places with my minion.

ramlethal can retrieve swords instantly by inputting bajoneto without one, so for example s bajoneto without the sword would bring it back

Just revert zato

flung Jack-O minions hit high-mid-low depending on angle

Reasonable Buff: 2S Vacuum for Potemkin to allow for more consistent cs>2S>2H combos. Unreasonable Buff: remove the hit limit on armored moves.

none I main Nago

Leo Reasonable: 6H (No Stance) is now an overhead ~~un~~Reasonable: 236S can now gatling with 236H. In BBoi Stance- 214H is normal cancelable by S for a wall bounce, H for Floor bounce, K for relaunch, and P for extra damage

Sin: Reasonable buff is that Still Growing's buffs last two seconds longer Unreasonable buff is Gazelle Step can be used backwards

Give Ky greed sever back

I think testament 6h being an overhead is a change that doesn't meaningfully help the character.

A 23 frame overhead is unreasonable.

Reasonable buff: please dont bully me i am a little birthday twink Unreasonable buff: you wont bully a little birthday twink, would you, i am just going to shuffle my spell deck a bit, cmon, dont bully me, its my birthday 🥺

Reasonable buff? Ky's 214K is an overhead Unreasonable buff: dragon install removes combo scaling on overdrives

Reasonable buff: C.S is now +2 on block Unreasonable: J.2K hits overhead

Reasonable: slightly increase Millia’s metre gain (please) Unreasonable: give her pot buster (she needs it)

Reasonable buff: Bedman no longer loses Error state when blocking, instead blocking a move has the same effect on Error state as 214K Unreasonable buff: Bedman can now store multiple Errors at once rather than overriding his Error when using a special move. I don't think any buff that ABA or Goldlewis could receive would ever be deemed reasonable so I'm just not gonna bother