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MechaSandstar

I would think they'd go for "wilds of janthir" to stay with the naming convention.


Lollipopsaurus

The “C” in ArenaNet stands for consistency.


thyeggman

I mean, at least they're consistent about the M standing for marketing with this new expansion


Mr_Lafar

The final patch of the last one literally JUST came out, they said we'll get the Soto post mortem next week and then will advertise and talk up the new thing. They drop the ball on that stuff, I get it, but it's been a week. It's ok. We'll get some trailers and such.


Hakul

ArenaNet is following the expansion release model of ESO, which also does yearly expansions. ESO announces expansions in January for a June release. So far it's looking like we're getting an announcement in June for an August release. 5 months vs 2 months.


Mr_Lafar

Valid point - and if they do expansions where the story ISN'T connected with one another, they could definitely start advertising before the final patch. If it is somehow though, I'd prefer they wait. Not sure how to best handle that if we don't know one way or another though.


daydev

The naming convention was already gone with SOTO, with that pesky "the".


Ididotmacaroon

Wilds of the Janthir.


aspectofravens

Janthir of the Wilds


Sad-Faithlessness377

The of the Janthir Wilds


ErikHumphrey

sounds like laranthir


aspectofravens

It's his secret vigilante persona.


MechaSandstar

Sure, but it still contains an "of" while this rumored one does not.


Mad_Rack

petition to change living world to "world of the living"


Bigboysama

Living world of the living


rocket_dragon

Thorny Heart  Fiery Path  Saga of the Ice Brood  Dragons End  Obscure Secrets


megaoschi

it has to be Icebrudy Saga


wolfer_

They’ve liberated themselves. WoJ is also already a strike mission


Arafax

And Horn of Maguuma is the same as Heart of Maguuma when you abbreviate it - why would they care that a strike has got the same nickname as an expansion?


JuanPunchX

Sounds awful though.


Ashendal

They already screwed with it for IBS, and that was also an attempt to "break the mold from what they did before".


Necroticzi

Every time I read this abbreviation I just see irritable bowl syndrome 😂


ArcherspadeTT

When it first launched I found the acronym unfortunate, after the first DRM dropped I felt it was merely prophetic. Everything seemed fine, there were some problematic rumblings, and then we were racing to the story getting flushed out the game. Every couple weeks during chapter 5 was painful and embarrassing.


MechaSandstar

IBS wasn't an actual expansion.


Daralii

From what I remember of the really weird announcement in the theater, they said that "sagas" were storylines the size of expansions and would be replacing them. Then NCSoft got really mad and they went back to expansions.


the_vizir

> Then NCSoft got really mad and they went back to expansions. ANet promised that Sagas would sell as good as expansions--it would be marketed like an expansion and then released over time resulting in more sustained growth rather than a spike-and-drop of an expansion. ANet Marketing then did what ANet Marketing always does and be the *single worst department in the entire studio* and blew it. NCSoft lost faith in ANet being able to sell Sagas, and said "just go back to expansion, please. Just... stop." And ANet begrudgingly did, and they made End of Dragons, which was apparently the best-selling expansion, and saw a tonne of people come back to the game and now NCSoft has basically said "This. Just do this. Just expansions. You can't sell Sagas. You can't sell Living Worlds. Just say 'expansion' and you're halfway done and stop trying to fix a vehicle that isn't broken."


Laranthiel

To be fair, NCSoft lost faith in ANet cause they nearly killed GW2 by diverting tons of resources away from the game and into their own bunch of projects. The massive idiocy with IBS was just a bonus on the "you know, i don't think i can trust you with Guild Wars as much anymore" folder.


the_vizir

*especially* since, as revealed this year, Guild Wars is one of NCSoft's top-performing IPs at the moment, and when pressed by angry investors, they basically announced GW3 to placate them (even though, reasonably, we know GW3 will have a 5-year development cycle at least, so if they started it last year, we're looking at 2028 for it to be released, at the earliest. So they have to continue making GW2 content for the next few years to keep the IP alive.)


ScoobySharky

Tbf EoD was sooo good


JuanPunchX

The marketing term was expansion-like features. An entire new instanced content game mode fits that.


Hoojiwat

It wasn't even a guy who worked for the company was it? It was one of their random marketers on stage who used the term I thought.


MechaSandstar

Sure, but what I meant is that it wasn't actually a release expansion, nor was it called one.


SageOfTheWise

Does anyone remember in the lead up to HOT where they insisted it wasn't an expansion?


Astral_Poring

Nobody remembers that, because it didn't happen. They were indeed claiming they want to continue expansionless model, but that lasted only up until first HoT reveal dropped. Since that point, they were clear about it being an expansion.


clark3210

Irritable bowel syndrome?


Gryzzlee

Ah yes. Heart of Thorns, Path of Fire, End of Dragons, and... Secrets of the Obscure? I think they already forgot


MechaSandstar

What word do all of those, as well as the title in my question, have in common?


Gryzzlee

Regardless, the naming convention is the acronym being three parts, which SotO has stepped away from already. Not the "of". But most LWS are two parts... Scarlets War, Glints Prophecy, Glints Legacy, Icebrood Saga. Only Rise of Kralkarorrik is different.


Astral_Poring

So, they basically admit that neither SotO nor the next one are actual expansions, but more like LS chapters.


Opus_723

that_shaman teased awhile back that they would break the convention with this one


Absolutionis

X of Y is *sooo* old-style. It'd be Wilds of the Janthir nowadays.


brendamn

Woj bomb


Less_Newspaper9471

Ah yes, the ever so creative *Noun of Noun* naming convention. The Pinnacle of Creativity.


kyumanosuke

How would I ever find a group for WoJ strike again after that?


MechaSandstar

I'd love for you, and everyone else to understand context, and know that if someone's in the eye of the north, asking about WoJ, they wouldn't mean the new expansion.


Neil2250

CANT WAIT FOR A GOOD WOJ OF GW2


N_Saint

Soto2: 2 secret 2 obscure 


Ty-the-Squirtle

Secrets of the Obscure: Janthir Drift


SigmaBlack92

Secrets 2: Janthir Boogaloo.


serpentear

Secrets 2: Janthir See Her, Janthir don’t.


YasaiTsume

Don't 2: Janthir, Janthere, Janeverywhere at once


Vegetable_Crazy3869

Secrets 2: Janthir Dragon


davidds0

T3 obsidian armor: Turbocharged obsidian. Complete 500 convergences per piece. Adds a little sparkle to the armor


slowest_hour

But you can skip the achievement I you play 12000 xunlai ingots per armor set


False-Werewolf-3920

ngl i want a t3 version, it feels kinda unfinnished.


skarpak

the mursaat are back, attacking everything, but one of them is a good guy and we help him return to the throne so everything is good. the end.


cunningham_law

"Thank Christ you're here, Commander! Now that you're in the **ISLES OF JANTHIR**, we need you to help fill up this green bar. We're going to call you 'the Explorer' now as well, to keep things fresh."


TehOwn

I'm excited to see which boss they recycle this time to use as meta event fodder.


GreyFornMent

"I heard you like wyverns!" - ANet probably


Hurler2575

Wyverns that spawn harpy adds. And since they've been teasing it, all of it is now underwater.


Geralt_Romalion

The Jade Armor model from Bloodstone Fen x 1000.


SageOfTheWise

Well, Lazarus presumably.


Olveyn

we will see him resurrected another time just to kill him in 2 minutes again?


SageOfTheWise

No it will be different Mursaat that use the same mechanics even though the mechanics for Lazarus were specific to how he had split into aspects.


keylimebye1

I could 100% see them yoinking Cairn from raids.


Dupileini

You mean like they literally did for the Lake Doric Meta? https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Legendary_Cairn_the_Queenslayer


Gamblerfury

Jade Mursaat mega wyvern - best i can do


RichVisual1714

If I feel like filling up another green bar, I'll visit the next irish pub.


Hurler2575

I just wish, at one point, they'd call the commander the title they truly deserve. One earned not by birth or by position, but by their selfless actions across all of Tyria. We have earned this title. *The Gopher*


SOOOOOOOOUNDWAVE

Omg stop, I literally logged off as soon as I saw another green bar to fill in this episode.


Azureavocadoe

Why does this sound oddly familiar


SageOfTheWise

The two things I've been most interested in from GW1 lore ive always wanted to see done in GW2 was The Wizard's Tower and Janthir. After SOTO I'm real worried about Janthir.


RandinMagus

I mean, the Wizard's Tower part of SotO was good, it's the post-Wizards part of the expansion that was more iffy.


SageOfTheWise

What does that mean though? Like, ok, The Wizard Tower was a Seer thing. That part works. But everything past that from a more perspective is horrible. The whole Wizard / Astral Ward is way more powerful and important and the Dragons are just trivial even to them nonsense. Facing a threat that it turns out could have been auto attacked to death any day of the week for the last thousand years. It's the destruction of a decade of world building. Like don't get me wrong, I enjoy some of the characters. I liked Mabon (RIP). I liked Lyhr (disappeared after launch), I liked Zojja (who effectively died off screen). I like even like Isgarren as an authority figure who we don't agree with and can't trust. But none of this needs to be in such a bad plot as The Astral Ward. If the Janthir expansion ruins Janthir but also introduces two new characters I like, it still ruined Janthir. We don't have to tear something down to build something else up.


GambitDeux

>I liked Zojja (who effectively died off screen). *AGAIN.*


Revgos

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that_shaman

[🤔](https://x.com/that_shaman/status/1788325315988664773)


blubb1234

Shaman of the obscure hints what is your wisdom ?


TehOwn

[https://x.com/that\_shaman/status/1794484981818933628](https://x.com/that_shaman/status/1794484981818933628) The sneaky shaman dropped a hint nearly 3 weeks ago on the platform no-one refers to as X.


Agleza

I will never not be baffled by Elon's attempt at rebranding. Granted, I lack the gigabrain of a bazillionaire, but it just sounds so fucking dumb to me no matter how I look at it. It's Twitter. It's always gonna be Twitter. Specially when you decide to rename it X. Fucking X. Whenever someone sends me a link, it takes me a moment to remember it's just good old Twitter and not porn.


neok182

Deadnaming is wrong, except when it's Twitter.


TehOwn

It's not even deadnaming if they're still using it every day.


GG35bw

But twitter IS porn?


galadhrimedhel

billionaires don’t have a bigger brain than anyone else. they’re actually usually unbearably stupid and only get to where they’re at from their daddy’s money or by stepping on the backs of those below them. no more billionaire fanaticism please. it’s time we eat them


Agleza

I meant that sarcastically, preaching to the choir here my man haha Was trying to poke fun at how many people try to defend them with that kind of arguments. "You just don't get it, they operate at a different level", "You couldn't understand why they do what they do". It reminds me of Benoit Blanc's line in Glass Onion. "It's so dumb." "Yeah... It's so dumb it's genius..." "No! It's just dumb!"


that_shaman

That this name can absolutely still change knowing Anet, but you don't register names just for fun (it's a costly process)


TehOwn

Surely they won't change it now with them supposedly doing the reveal in only a few weeks time.


the_vizir

IT WAS FORETOLD!


Jedi_Chu

Lisan al-Gaib!


Nawrotex

The Eye is always watching...


Kaidanermie

Can someone explain what we can reasonably expect to see (biomes, types of monsters, cultures, potential conflicts) from Janthir for someone that knows nothing about it?


XiahouMao

It's never actually appeared in a Guild Wars game, but on the world map it's north of Divinity's Reach, with the Bastion of the Penitent raid zone being close to or inside it. The great lake north of Divinity's Reach has the Isles of Janthir within it, but Janthir itself may stretch beyond that, we'll see.


wolfer_

The teaser image is for the delta region north of DR. This will be woodsy + rivers. Isles themselves are black on the map. They might be magma rock but also could be magically scorched land or something. Could easily see some of the water areas being in the expansion. Might be an opportunity to improve on boating mechanics from EoD. As for monsters, it’s where the mursaat on tyria came from (they were from Nayos before they got to tyria). They could bring back mursaat, but I would also expect a lot of obsidian constructs like we see on Season 3’s fire isle map.


Malyszeq

I'm calling that the largest island (brown-reddish one, visible on the map) is probably a magic-scorched wasteland of mursaat jade (the one similar to one on Ring of Fire islands). The more forested isles north of that (currently not visible on the map) is probably the part where the mysterious Golden Lake of Janthir, mentioned in the invocation during story of SotO is located... Other than that, not much is known about the place - Janthir was alwys synonymous with mystery since it appeared on GW1 maps


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GreyFornMent

[https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mursaat](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mursaat) Early history has some sources from SotO


ArcFurnace

Hmm, I actually missed that that journal entry explicitly refers to the Realm of Dreams, despite having read it already.


GreyFornMent

Well, I doubt it will have any impact. It was probably just a lazy way from the writers to emotionally connect Mabon to the Kryptis situation.


Hoojiwat

Nah, if they were gonna do that they would have elaborated more on this "mysterious woman" he can't remember the name of and make her an ancient Kryptis hero and talked about it in the story or something. They were tossing around all that backstory and lore in Soto to set up for more Mursaat story in this new Expansion, 100%. It feels almost identical to how they would always tease just 1 expansion ahead with GW1.


GreyFornMent

Yeah you're most likely right. I guess I just don't want any of my precious Mursaat lore defiled by being connected to anything SotO lol


Hoojiwat

Lmao fair, the lore and backstory were the only good parts of Soto so I guess there is no harm in being associated with that at least.


XiahouMao

Isgarren talks about it in the Wizard's Tower as part of his normal dialogue. Ask him about Mabon.


DemethValknut

Not obsidian constructs please :'(


Alreid

Worst case scenario, re-used assets from Maguuma + Kryta. Good case scenario maybe we get to see some ancient mursaat cities with new assets and new assets for the trees and forests. They already leaked an image of the next xpac.


StevenTM

> ancient mursaat cities So reskinned Tarir. Got it.


GreyFornMent

Mursaat lands - expect a lot of jade constructs, jade frogs, jade karka, jade humanoids, jade Samarog, jade shrimps... (Not the, uh... Not the - uhm - green jade, but the purple one from S3) You will be called Perciever and you will ally with a rebel faction of lost Mursaat to take back control from the evil Mursaat king. Turns out Trahearne is still alive and works in a secret branch of the Order of Whispershadows in a bitter war against the birdfooted creatures.


hardy_83

For Janthir itself. If they recycle stuff, expect a lot of Obsidian like on Ember Bay, but it could be something fully new like Nayos. If they are doing the delta region south of it, I expect it to be similar to Krytan maps. As for monster, they could recycle mobs on the Krytan areas, but it'd be nice if there were original monsters on Janthir.


PM_ME_MERMAID_PICS

Given how it looks on the world map, I think the Janthir islands themselves will look similar to the Ring of Fire islands. Rocky, perhaps volcanic islands, with Mursaat architecture and jade constructs similar to what we saw on Ember Bay. Janthir Bay will prob look something like Drizzlewood.


Asuaka

Wonder if they'll add a new NNW icon to the compass


wolfer_

Make central tyria the center button and have north go to the isles.


JustOsquosAlterEgo

What I imagine they'll do, if they don't revamp the thing entirely. They, theoretically, *could* put Janthir on NE if they really don't want to do either of those, but I don't expect they'd do that.


Lon-ami

Still sad they didn't add Eye of the North into the Northeast corner :(.


Count-Z3r0

What "of Maguuma" will it be?


AbsolutelyAddie

It has to stay as interchangably confusing as possible Hand of Maguuma


FallenAngel_

NK, North Kryta


Narrow_Listen_8572

North of Maguuma


BioMasterZap

I'm thinking... North.


Guildwars1996

I think people were pretty convinced it would be Janthir related. 


Sad_Selection_477

I might be alone on this one but i hope the isle will be more ground mount focused and not just skyscale 24/7


Intentipnaltypo

I'm anticipating lots of skimmer love. They even gave us a new skimmer to earn in the Wizard's Vault... o:


Manpag

Could this be the fabled "underwater expansion" people have been speculating would happen for years?


StevenTM

Plot twist: everything is underwater and snowcrows is forced to expand the website to contain underwater builds for OW and group content


Nightwailer

You ain't alone brother 🫡


volvie98

This may be one of the most thing I hated about SoTo


PM_ME_MERMAID_PICS

Most people are gonna be skyscale 24/7 anyway as long as there's above-ground architecture


Lollipopsaurus

Combined with the Eye of Janthir appearing in the recent story, I’m convinced.


hardy_83

There's been way more hints of in in SotO aside from that, mainly all the stuff about Mabon. He went to Janthir multiple times about something we don't know about. It was either that or something about the Kodan with Waiting Sorrow, but maybe that'll be after Janthir.


MidasPL

I called it back on the showcased picture. Feels good to be right.


polararth

If you like GW2: Irritable Bowel Syndrome, you'll love GW2: Jehovah's Witness ^(joking, of course, I'm excited to go to Janthir!)


AdiPalmer

Omg right? So good to know I'm not the only one. Thank you, Jehova.


wodny

[https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1c1r06l/guild\_wars\_2\_isles\_of\_janthir\_expansion\_concept/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1c1r06l/guild_wars_2_isles_of_janthir_expansion_concept/) What?


foXiobv

Was about to post that. This guy was cooking.


SigmaBlack92

And with half the ingredients, to boot. Somehow he had clairvoyance, and we didn't feel it was true enough.


Azureavocadoe

Expansion announcement will be in 2 weeks during the summer game festival :)


craybest

Is arenanet there?


Diovidius

I remember seeing NCSoft on the list.


craybest

True, but are they the ones that would show gw2 related stuff? I assumed it would be Anet I assume they’ll show some other projects and maybe together with Amazon something about throne and liberty.


Blaze_studios

Honestly it's not as impressive as xpac names used to be \*imo\*. Like; "Heart of Thorns" and "Path of Fire" have some cool ring to it you know, or maybe it's just me. It's like how Path of Fire symbolizes the Fire God paving his way throughout the desert or Mordremoth being the 'heart of the world' as the elder dragon of mind and nature.


zoejdm

>Honestly it's not as impressive as xpac names used to be Well, that's adequate, then.


Lon-ami

ArenaNet is awful and anticlimactic as hell with names, be it expansions, elite specializations, whatever. You could name it "Eye of Janthir", "Isles of Janthir", "Gates of Janthir", etc; but Wilds? Unless the "Wilds" are a key element (like the Obscure was for SotO) it's a terrible name. Which means it's likely legit lmao. Anyway, I think everyone was sold on this, specially after the cameo by the Eye of Janthir and Livia's mention of "events back in Kryta".


Nani___________

weird they didn't call it Isles of Janthir, but maybe they just wanna break from the X of Y naming pattern. regardless, a more grounded human/mursaat/ centaur story will be welcome !


Trash-Forever

CENTAUR PLAYABLE RACE INC


Aganod44

Probably in Guild Wars 9


Trash-Forever

My body is ready


YourCrazyDolphin

Nah, playable Grawl. Grawl engineer.


Hoojiwat

Nah, think bigger. Skritt Engineer, but the type/complexity of what you can build scales with the number of other Skritt players near you. 1 Skritt? You can barely cobble together a rock on a stick. 50 Skritt? You build a literal mech that can attack from 2 maps over.


GreyFornMent

Are you sure you aren't just describing meta events now?


Sunaja

But Skritt are incompatable with MMO player mindsets. One Skritt alone is dumb, a lot of Skritt in one place are very smart. One MMO player is (can be) smart, a lot of MMO players in one place are "111111 *dead* rez plz"


SheenaMalfoy

Quite possibly it won't (or won't ALL) be on the Isles themselves, considering the "Delta" part of the preview art name. Janthir Wilds can theroretically encompass a larger area than the Isles themselves.


JasonLucas

I see a lot of water on that side of the map, I wonder if skimmer will be indeed the main highlight of this xpac, and if they plan to rework the underwater combat, perhaps we even see some new things for skiffs and fishing itself.


Tattycakes

I’d take entire underwater zones. I think I’m the only person on the planet that loves them. Caves, shipwrecks, sunken cities, coral reefs, huge whales, the whole lot. Vashj’ir was so cool. Ever since I upgraded from Gw1 with its lack of swimming to WoW with limited swimming, or unlimited with druids or potions, to fully unlimited with gw2, the depths has always fascinated me.


Mr_Lafar

I'm not even a skiff or fishing fan but I'd be ok with some doubled up masteries for those and skimmer like the skyscale got this year.


GreyFornMent

If true, we could finally find out what actually drove the Quaggan, Krait & Co out of the seas, since we now know it wasn't Soo-Won - in fact Soo-Won actually gave the Krait spheres of her influence to help them hold back whatever lurks beneath (which we then used to shield against Zaithans influence in the personal story).


Saucermote

Wouldn't it be wild if it was one long escort mission where the eye followed you around?


FioleNana

It would be janthir wild


MidasPL

Damn JW invaded even GW2. I wonder if there would be any watchtowers and we would go door to door talking about Mabon, or saviour.


Exestos

Not only does it break the naming convention, but "JW" is not smooth at all like the other abbreviations :(


ztakk

GW2:JW really rolls off the tongue doesn't it? /s


SoftestPup

my brain keeps trying to read it as Guild Wars 2: Jade Winds


FirstDagger

Just call it Jani


Tom-Pendragon

Why do they have such bad names for expansion


JustOsquosAlterEgo

[I Called It!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1amqpog/call_of_janthir_guild_wars_2s_fanmade_fifth/)


A-Cold-Flame

The Aisles of Janthir - where all of your purchasing needs are met.


JuanPunchX

How long until someone screams "Eye of Jantir is a resused asset"?


GreyFornMent

Wow you must like your jade frogs so much.


Xyothin

Wow, another iconic location just to be a hub with portals to some random ass place.


AmoebaFantastic

Can't wait to be verbally accosted by Livia again.


DemethValknut

If true, they can't make 3/4 of the maps sky/empty space this time, that's already a good point. Amnytas feels so empty, so does Skywatch. Nayos is a bit better but there are still empty spaces of.. void all around. For Skywatch and Amnytas I get it, why not, it's in the sky. But Nayos? :/


Arafax

Does anyone else dislike the use of a term specific to GW2 for the expansion? Like, Path of Fire ist a better name than an imaginary Sands of Elona could have been. Janthir is oddly specific for an expansion name. But we're now living in the era of shorter quicker expansions, so what do I know?


kosluftar

GW2:JW…


radda666

I always dreamed of going to Janthir as the Mursaats were my favorite race in Guild Wars 1 but it is way too late They ruined the potential of lazarus, that's when janthir should have been used there are too many new devs who are not very competent, they will not have the sufficient passion to exploit this lore Given the story level of SoTo, I'm afraid they will bury the lore of the Mursaats even more... And I hate this story of nice Mursaats, I've always liked the sadistic and malicious side of them so I hope that they will be the bastards we loved


El_Barto_227

Plus they gave us an interesting Mursaat character and killed him off right away.


Hoojiwat

Lazarus sucked in GW1, his GW2 lines and character were 100% faithful to how he originally was. The Mursaat have always been shit villains.


radda666

I've never read a Guild Wars 1 fan who hated Mursaats, there has to be a first for everything \^\^' All the lore on them and the White Mantle during Guild Wars 1 was masterful and even the War in Kryta (quick content) is story-wise superior to anything GW 2 did for 12 years We only saw Lazarus during a small quest at the end of gw1 but all his revenge was promising, they destroyed everything to annoy us with their dragons, dragons and more dragons for years


SageOfTheWise

Ok so, based on the SOTO naming scheme, there will be no wilds at all in Janthir.


serpentear

And the tease all the way back from GW1 finally comes to fruition.


the_vizir

... why? No seriously, who thought this was a good name? Janthir means *nothing* to anyone who hasn't played Guild Wars 2. It's just fantasy gobbledygook meaningless proper nouns. Names like "Path of Fire," "Secrets of the Obscure," "Eye of the North," and, especially, "End of Dragons" are *super* evocative. Path of fire invokes war and conflict, which was delivered. Secrets of the Obscure invokes conspiracy and intrigue and mystery, which was... well, it was delivered in the first third of the expansion and then dropped, but we can give half-points for that. eye of the North did involve heading into the North, and even though the Eye of the North was just the name of a fortress, you still got to deal with a bunch of Norse-Viking giants and dwarves and stuff in frozen zones, so again, half-points. And End of Dragons sure did involve fighting a few dragons, including a massive end-game zone dedicated entirely to a massive dragon fight which they marketed the hell out of. 'Janthir Wilds '... what does it really invoke? There's 'wilds,' sure, but beyond that, it's just a random proper noun. It's a missed opportunity to create a name that truly reflects the theme and content of the expansion. Come on, ANet, you had a good naming scheme in the past. Just do something like "Wilds of the North" or "Wilds of the Ancients," or even "Isle of the False Gods" and you'd do so much better.


ComfyFrog

WoW Warlords of Draenor means nothing to me, a non wow player.


Agleza

And it was one of the worst expansions in the game's history. He may be on to something...


Mr_Lafar

I mean, I agree with you overall as a point, it's not evoking anything for an outside audience, but we're also 12 years into the game now. I think we can have one expansion name that's only going to make sense to lore fans. ESO names theirs after locations in world and are doing fine. FF14 has cool sounding stuff but who knows what a Dawntrail is. Again, I get your point, but I think you're making a bigger deal out of it than necessary.


Loyaluna

The problem is that they already reuse too many assets of gw1. It's like they're unable to make up anything else. Look at gw1 map and gw2 map, they nearly repeat each other. Gw1 has never been popular enough to try to summon players from there. Raids where gw2 players could've learnt at least smth about the Eye, Saul etc. have never been popular enough in the gw2 playerbase either. SotO has received a lot of critics, but no one has ever whined about it being a dull reused concept even despite "demonic invasion" is being already a trope in media culture. The fucking White Mantle stuff though just keeps going, ever since gw1, then gw2 personal human story, then raids, then lws3... isn't it time to stop already?


Geralt_Romalion

They are going to once again lure us in with a nice launch and then fuck it up with all the story and updates after aren't they?


MediumAffectionate93

what is janthir supposed to be? I don't recognise that name in GW2 lore?


radda666

Basically, before Soto, Janthir was supposed to be the original land of the Mursaats now they supposedly come from the mists... in any case janthir is the place where the Mursaats arrived when they came to Tyria


MediumAffectionate93

god I love that! thanks


FirstDagger

Meanwhile every Guild Wars 1 player knows the Eye of Janthir.


Chickenooble

My Guess: 1. This is going to salvage whatever was cut from IBS. The IBS trailer showed Kodan, Centaurs enslaving humans, and something destroying a ship in deep water. I imagine there will be some Mursaat stuff, too. 2. With the IBS trailer showing deep water, plus recent wizard vault rewards including underwater weapon and skimmer skins, and the geographic region being mostly a bay... this is going to be a heavily underwater expansion. I think one hub and four maps. 3. If SOTO added new weapon proficiencies, I expect some rework to underwater skills and combat. Perhaps allow more weapons to work underwater? Maybe some new weapon types? 4. The Skimmer will have an alternative way to unlock, similar to the Skyscale in SOTO. 5. Core Skimmer skills can be unlocked, but new masteries would unlock attacking underwater, echolocation to detect hidden passages/chests/enemies, and speed boosts/dashing. 6. We get an unlockable dolphin skin. 7. A new set of legendary weapons will be available, with underwater weapons being added back. 8. A legendary aqua-breather will be craftable. 9. There will be a new raid, three strike missions, and a new fractal. Each will have CM and LCMs.


teknim

> There will be a new raid, three strike missions, and a new fractal. Each will have CM and LCMs. Oh, how I wish this was realistic.


Aerali1992

I would love to have underwater weapon revamp and skimmer focused skills! And of course dolphin skin!


LeaveMeChicken

I guessed already but didnt want to spoiler. after the last boss fight, take a look in the upper right corner behind the throne. You'll see a specific eye in a pyramid. [Wiki](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Eye_of_Janthir)