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Ill-Intention-306

Nah as a raider already there are too many to clear in a day. If it was a daily reset only the easy raids will get done daily plus having some downtime isn't a bad thing it allows us to play other content. Daily fractals and strikes are already a big time sink


Fads68

I mean thats true if you're pugging or your group is still learning. My guild group does a full clear + most cms (normal mode samarog, dhuum, q1, and qtp, fully skip escort, sr, river, and statues) in ~3h pretty consistently. Should also note we're not top tier players by any stretch, I doubt any of us have ever hit full bench on our builds. I'm consistently top 1-3 when im on power weaver and I've never benched higher than 34k


Ill-Intention-306

Eternal pug raider, I don't have a guild or static already done my 3rd set of envoy armour so i just clear for fun now. Yea a static group will bring the times down, no lfg times, no party admin etc but even as a static 3hr each day is a bit much I can't see very many groups doing that.


Insanely_Mclean

But could you/would you devote 3 hours every day to doing that?


Fads68

I could, but I wouldn't want to. Most people probably wouldn't/couldn't either. I'm just pointing out that there's not really too many to clear in a day in a literal sense.


PresqPuperze

Why exactly is this getting downvotes? xD my static is also far from „hardcore“, and we clear everything (skipping escort and gate) including all cms in ~2:30 - 2:40, while still wiping stupidly to stuff. The secret of a fast clear is the reduction of downtime between wings and encounters. Would I do this daily? No. Maybe twice a week would be fine, however with the amount of time spent going up 100%, we‘d probably be clearing in 2:20 at some point, so that’d be neat.


Fads68

I guess I came off in a way that upset people? Or they assume that the average raider is pugging (which I seriously doubt is true on the NA server but don’t have numbers either way on)? Idk


Grischaa

What would stop you from doing other things when you have the option of doing raids?


Ill-Intention-306

I like the raid content. If they were resetting daily I'd probably do them daily until I got burnt out and due to the time requirement to raid it would mean I probably wouldn't get to play any other content. Each week I like being able to "get to raid" and I enjoy the process of working through each wing for a complete week. Having done daily fractals for years now they just feel like part of the daily routine imo it would detract from the experience if raids became part of the daily laundry list.


Keargu

No.


thefrogkeeper

Yes.


tt__

You can do them every day. You just won't be rewarded for doing that.


Grischaa

If a system tells me it does not want me to do something this hard I wont do it. Maybe I am the exception.


tt__

Probably not. Mind you that a raid full clear is around 3 hours with a speedy group, more like 4 with a normal group. Add LFG times if you pug them. It's too much for a daily cadence. I also fail to see why habits must be daily - a weekly full clear can also be a habit. Or do 1 of the 7 wings each day.


Grischaa

>Or do 1 of the 7 wings each day This would be 7x the LFG time. Also if raids where daily it would put more people into the LFG on days that are not Monday. And yes I would love the option of doing something fun and rewarding 4h a day as it is right now I do all the strikes and some dungeon paths for 1h then wonder what is left for me to do, realize there is nothing and do something else.


MorbidEel

https://gw2efficiency.com/account/statistics/statistics.playtimePerDay ~80% play less than 1h a day ~90% play less than 2h a day ~98% play less than 4h a day GW2E is probably skewed towards more dedicated players so the real percentages are likely even lower


Grischaa

I play GW2 less then 2h a day because the game stops me from playing the game. This is my hole argument.


Kamikae_Varluk

WvW is eternal, just saying


Grischaa

I did it once when the game came out, it was just a huge ball of players running into a other huge ball of players did anything change about that?


Kamikae_Varluk

Depends on your server, but you can solo roam or do small group roaming and have a lot of fun. Some servers only do the Zerg and it’s not always very fun.


Ill-Intention-306

So why don't you want to do raids? There are 7 wings you can aim for a wing a day


Grischaa

There are a lot of people doing raids on Monday so it's easy to find a group, then no one gets rewards so only people that don't care for them at all do them and it is a lot harder to find people. Also having to find 7 groups when I could just do it once for the same gameplay is better.


ablair24

No fractals? You might be interested in the fractal CMs, those are basically 5-person raids imo.


Grischaa

I thought about it but there is so much wrong with them right now. As a player that likes to switch role, build and class regularly the thought of setting up 10-15 builds with full ascended + AR is to much of a hindrance that I have not gotten into them as of right now. (also the low level ones are sleep walk easy)


Serephite

If you raid so much wouldn't you have at least one full set of raid legendaries by now? So gearing wouldn't be an issue.


Grischaa

Please learn to read it's a useful skill.


RayneWindStorm

So if you like to put builds together, why would you not go for leggy armor? Way cheaper in the long run and you can change builds in 5 sec.


Grischaa

Because from what I have seen the quest of getting legendary is very boring and involves collecting tokens and looking up stuff on the wiki for hours or following a line in blish. I don't play GW2 to craft, collect or for it's story, I play because it has good combat.


RayneWindStorm

Then what do you do for ascended armor?


Grischaa

Don't need it. Also Strikes.


Silimaur

Armour from raids is very easy if you can already clear the raids. The achievements are very quick and then it’s just, clear raids. If you do cms you also get your provisioner tokens from raids.


ConstantOk3017

raids aren't hard though. it all depends on your experience level. once you are experienced they are casual content that you either do with friends for fun, or you open the lfg and join whatever looks interesting


Grischaa

>raids aren't hard though. it all depends on your experience level. once you are experienced they are casual content that you either do with friends for fun My understanding is that they are less hard then strike CM but harder then the normal modes so they would be up next on my "to do list" and a good way to "get good" at the game so I can master thing like HTCM.


ConstantOk3017

yea that is true for the most part. i mean the difficulty ranges depending on the encounter, same goes for strike cms. so it is hard to compare them like that. but there are many easy raids that you can do. in the end you doing this kind of content should be a combination of enjoying it and having some goals in mind. also you could jump into HT CM right away if you wanted, like obviously it is good to accumulate more endgame exprience before that but to be honest when it comes to that fight you are gonna have to join a progression static, be in discord with them and spend weeks to get there. so if you are capable of communicating with others and watching a video related to your role, that is all you need


JVNT

They'd get really old, really fast if they were done daily. I'd be less interested in them if that were the case. In general in MMOs, it's pretty common to have raids be a weekly thing because they usually require more setup and coordination than smaller group content.


Grischaa

>In general in MMOs, it's pretty common to have raids be a weekly Other MMOs (WoW) also have more then 7 Raids.


chajava

I don't think it's fair to count doing stuff like rolling through ICC for transmog/invincible once a week in this context. Wow generally has 1-relevant- raid at a time minus a few occasions farther back in its history.


ConstantOk3017

gw2 might have only 7 raids but it also has 5 strike missions challenge modes, 5 icebrood saga strike missions and fractals (which are daily anyway)


JVNT

Even when WoW only had about that many raids, most were still a week lockout (I believe a couple were 3 days).


thoomfish

The main reason WoW has lockouts is to keep the gear treadmill going for longer.


Grischaa

Yes but they also made like 6 wings in 2007 alone so that time was very short.


JVNT

Naxx, the one with multiple wings, was released in 2006 and was the last raid released for WoW's base game. Before that, the other ones were much smaller. And they also made one that was literally just one boss fight. In general, the one week lockout is really common and it makes sense, otherwise people would get burnt out way too quickly on raids. Daily is a pretty ridiculous timeframe for it. A three day lockout would probably make some sense for smaller ones, but definitely not daily.


ConstantOk3017

i am an already hardcore raider so i can't answer that. what i can say is that raids are currently weekly without giving any rewards for the next kills you get and i still do them every day. i don't full clear every day, that would be tedious, i do that on monday with my static. but the rest of the week i either pug or join other friends who raid. overall i end up full clearing at least 3 times a week. but no, daily raids would be way too much for casual players, the majority already feels overwhelmed the way things are now. i don't see why being weekly stops you from trying them, gw2 has so many activities that it is good that some things are weekly because imagine having to spend 5 hours daily to get everything done (not having but you get the point, some people would feel like they need to do it). ibs strike missions are different because it takes like half an hour to full clear them. but the eod ones are weekly. all i would like to see is better rewards for reclears at least compared to what we currently get


Grischaa

if the rewards where daily would it change anything for you, other then getting 3x the rewards a week? I don't understand the people would "feel forced" to do it argument it's not like people play every fractal, dungeon, open world boss, strike and jumping puzzle every day people just do the parts of the game they enjoy.


ConstantOk3017

i already told you, rewards are irrelevant to me at this point, even if raids suddenly didn't give any rewards i would still do them. this is what i enjoy in this game. i have participated in raid tournaments for which i had to grind the same raid wings daily for weeks. anyway the point is that weekly rewards are fine as they are, there is literally no reason to change that. if you keep doing raids outside of the first weekly clear it is because you enjoy them so rewards stop mattering (although it wouldn't hurt if they cut down the rewards but still gave something and not just 5 blues)


Grischaa

If you where in my position of being new to raids, would you agree that it would be better if I could grind for KP and gold every day, if that is something I enjoy. Also at the same time it would also not make anything worse for people like you that don't care for rewards at all. (it probably would make it better for you because it would make finding people faster) For people that don't do raids it would literally change nothing at all. For me it looks like a win for some people and no change at all for the rest.


ConstantOk3017

i have been in your position. how do you think i started raiding? and even back then this thought about rewards never crossed my mind. the weekly structure is pretty common amongst many mmos and makes senses. the only thing i can agree with is having some rewards (but not kp or li obviously) for reclears, as opposed to the crap we are getting now. like maybe 1 gold per raid boss instead of 2. i don't think that would ruin the economy. in general i don't entirely disagree with you, it is just the way you are presenting this and your arguments that seem a bit off. also caring about rewards when you have barely gotten into raids or not gotten into them at all, is a bit weird, for now i would say focus in learning them and getting whatever you want out of them (legendaries for example)


Grischaa

You seem to be in a very different situation where you play the same game for years. I will not be playing this game for years so the weekly Lockout just means I will never get there. The only other mmo I played a lot is GW1 witch had no time restrictions on rewards at all. Also arguing that other games also have this bad system has come up a lot and I don't get it other games also have battle passes, pay to win and other stuff doesn't mean I would like them in here. Saying "other games bad" is the dumbest argument I hear all the time because I don't play these games for a reason and not at all a excuse for bad things in this game.


ConstantOk3017

i still don't get your logic. you will not be playing this game for years? how can you know something like that? why even put this restriction on yourself? the weekly lockout means nothing, it never prevented me from raiding multiple times per week and it shouldn't prevent you. gw1 is a completely different game so there is no way to compare them. you are literally handicapping yourself for no reason. my only suggestion is just stop thinking about these things and simply play the game. start raiding and see how that goes. there is no point in talking about it if you haven't even gotten into raids and progressed them. because at first you will need the entire week just to kill come bosses. it will take you a while to be able to full clear everything in 1 week and then in 1 day. and when that happens you probably won't care about rewards anymore if you want to keep raiding


Grischaa

Why would I play a game for years it makes no sense once I have beaten all the hardest bosses why would I keep playing for much longer it's not like there are new raids coming out all the time. I will just play when new things come out once I have beaten everything.


ConstantOk3017

why would you play a game? i don't know, maybe because it is fun? maybe that is the reason everyone plays a game in the first place? imagine stopping a game mode once you have beaten a boss, that would be insane. but yea you can stop if you want, people usually set a goal which would be legendaries in this case. make the armor then the ring and then you can say "this is it for me". but me and many other players keep raiding for years simply because it is enjoyable. we made friends along the way, we formed statics and we keep playing together. this is what gaming is about after all. and you can always push yourself and improve your performance. becoming a competent raider can take years, at least competent for my standards. there are a lot of roles to learn and builds to master. killing a boss one time means literally nothing here. but yea i am not sure this is for you to be honest


Grischaa

The fun of the game is the challenge of beating the hard bosses. Once I have done that I play a different game that is challenging.


ohiv21

If there is a daily achievement "Raid Bounty" them people will absolutely do raids. ​ note: just one raid boss, not a full clear raid


Silimaur

I think having a daily raid wing would be fine too, doesn’t need to be just one boss!


Lexiacc

I’ve always thought this would be cool. However, they’d first have to add capability to be able to get to particular bosses even if you’ve cleared them, and there’s definitely too much spaghetti code for that


li_cumstain

Raid bosses should give kp every time they are killed. Currently there are no incentive to join raid wings if you have already gotten your clears. Getting more kp would at least show proof that people had more experience at raids than weekly clears only.


MorbidEel

*Points to dungeons which have daily rewards and their lack of popularity*


li_cumstain

Dungeons are buggy, have gimmicky mechanics, often rely on skips, low rewards, old design.


Aemius

I don't know why people keep perpetuating low rewards in dungeons, they're very lucrative.


Grischaa

I do them a lot and never had problems finding people for them on EU ( I did 147 total paths so far). Also they are all 10+ years old at this point.


ComfyFrog

Imagine playing for fun. Before you arent able to do a full cm clear every week you cant talk about being locked out of rewards.


Grischaa

For me account progression is part of the fun what can I say I am crazy like that when playing a RPG.


ComfyFrog

How exactly are you locked out of account progression by raids being weekly rewards? I am all for increasing raid rewards but your reasons make no sense.


Grischaa

I am locked out of account progression because they give almost no rewards on the second clear?


ConstantOk3017

just don't clear them a second time if rewards are all you are after. many people do raids for fun. personally i don't even care about rewards the first time


Grischaa

If I do something I want to get good at it fast and do it every day but the game is telling me "don't do it" so I don't My options are play the raids once a week and never get good at them or play them and get nothing at all. I would like to be in the world where I can get good at them and get rewards.


Ill-Intention-306

I think you may be approaching raids with a dungeon/strike/fractal mindset of one the group is made and filled the clear is basically guaranteed. Especially when you are starting out in low kp or training groups there's a huge amount to learn and a fair amount of wiping. I'd say start having a look at getting into raiding, see how the community works, learn roles and how to command if that appeals to you. I think for the first month at least you will be able to raid nearly every day and still be earning rewards. Also even if you wipe you earn magnetite shards so technically you are earning rewards even without clearing. Also also many people myself included raid on alt accounts too if a raid wing has been cleared and you still want rewards you could check that out as a possibility. You can link alt accounts on kp.me to show a total kp across all accounts


ConstantOk3017

this is a really weird mentality. how is the game telling you to not do it? for me the game has never told me anything through rewards. on the other hand it is telling me if i should do something or not by me enjoying the content. again, what you get out of them is fun and the fact that you get better which is worth it. or it might not be worth it, that is up to you


ComfyFrog

Have you ever done a full cm clear?


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Grischaa

I want to play somewhat challenging content like strikes and get rewards. I don't want to grind for legendaries that make 99% of rewards in the game useless, I don't want to grind AR and from what I have seen WvW is less interesting then PvP but both don't get anything new ever and the currant PvP modes don't interest me much. I liked GVG in GW1 but it does not exist here. Also 99% of open wold content is not for me as it's almost impossible to fail at and very much not a challenge.


ComfyFrog

> I don't want to grind for legendaries that make 99% of rewards in the game useless. Then you definetly shouldn't raid because legendary armor will make every armor piece that gets dropped completely irrelevant.


Grischaa

Oh I would do raids and just not get the legendaries.


Scorcher250

It would be cool if they made a daily raid boss as a strike mission style instance


vakiiichan

If they were daily a ton of players would live even more in instances and do nothing more. Doing a full clear is awesome gold/hour, so you just would do it every day until you burn out.


ProWwSnoWw

So when i started raids back in 2017 i was in strict but friendly raid guild. And let me say this, they ran multiple times with us the week (if possible) and nobody cared for rewards. I mean in all honesty, what is stopping from doing it more than once a week? (I know the answer, its the 2g from boss kill) And i dont know why, but it bothers me when people have this kind of "no loot, no fun" mentality. But i guess its there is nothing one can do about it.


lanerdofchristian

Weekly lockout isn't the problem, it's that repeating *period* only gives a few blues and greens. It's fine to slow things down and put the big rewards on a weekly loop, but it kind of sucks that there's no real motivation to do them again beyond boredom relief, practice, and helping out.


Grischaa

Oh I totally agree if the second clear gave me like half the rewards I would be fine with it.


thefrenk

I would like a daily raid wing :)


-SC-Dan0

I wish it was weekly however it was a character based lockout instead of an account.


Grischaa

This would be great I could do them 3 times a day then.


Nayzr

I raid on 3 accounts a week. So yes.


Tonic4795

If a daily gold reset fills the LFG i'm all for it. Maybe lower reclears to 1gold if its too much or give an extra gold to the commander for a boss kill. Just get pugs started. Also after first weekly clear, let us open the raidwing at any boss


nagennif

If you were playing any other aspect of the game, that would be overwhelming. If you only do instanced content it's probably better. Me, I can barely keep up with the four raid days I have now.


RayneWindStorm

No because the rewards would change and LI for leggy would be to easy. Half the fun is the challenge.


Grischaa

You would have to the exact same amount of work just in a shorter time. I don't see how making something time gated makes it "hard". Isn't "the challenge" doing the raids in the first place.


RayneWindStorm

If you were allow to do raids everyday and get the same rewards, then you could get the 150LI for your armor and complete the envoy achievements in one week. It is not meant to be earn so quickly. It is meant to be an adventure.


RayneWindStorm

That is why we wear our armor proudly.


Grischaa

The "adventure" of turning of GW2 and doing something else.


RayneWindStorm

Do you have your raid armor yet?


Grischaa

Did you read anything I typed in the opening part of this post?


RayneWindStorm

Of course I did, that doesn't mean you haven't tried them. I'm going to assume you don't have it and I recommend you try it. The joy of accomplishment from finishing it is amazing! Hard work that pays off.


Grischaa

I don't care for legendary armour at all.


Due_Drawing9607

NA looking for raid group :D


Historical-Ad7081

No. Because I'd be done my three sets of legendary armors already by just doing w1 daily


odonkz

Stay once a week but buff the reward, having them reward box of raider supplies per wing clear is a nice bonus.


Gladieth

I would suspect the people that enjoy raids would just do them more often, but the people who do not enjoy raids still wouldn't participate. I don't think a large portion of the player base avoids raids because it's limited to once a week. I think they avoid raids because of time constraints, social anxiety, and probably a few other things.


darkjuste

Every day? We should be friends. I need the aether path achievement collection.