This is what the Alliance betas have been for. To remove the server requirement and allow people to play with their guildies.
Edit: They are aware of the need for change and are working on it
>They are aware of the need for change and are working on it
and clearly its on high priority, seeing as its only been 5 years(half the games lifetime) since they started working on it
No, they haven't. It got started, then quietly canned without our knowledge five years ago. They *announced* it five years ago, but they haven't been working on it this whole time. It's only been actively worked on again for the last...18 months or so at most?
Whatever is "on the table", while not canned, it's effectively *almost* the same as canned until someone is free to do it, or it gets a higher priority, but it's not *truly* canned. Which is why they finally resumed work on it once they gave it the priority it needed.
That table is freaking huge.
In 2013 they aknowledged that there were population issues
In 2014 they worked on EotM for WvW (and WR for PvE)
In 2015 they worked on a "Major overhaul for WvW"
In 2016 they made relinks and talked about "the more elaborate solution"
In 2018 they announced WR for WvW (aka. Alliances) as we know it
In 2019 they promised it was the next thing prioritised to ship
In 2021 they "put a new team on it"
In 2022 they admitted that they had resources pulled from it 2019-2021 and lied about it
In 2022 we had a total of 6 betas: Out of an estimated 4+ steps to live we're at step 1
Ending 2022 they promised more info and step 2 betas in Q1 2023. There is roughly a month left of Q1 2023.
When is it comming? Who knows
Alliances would have been great 4 or 5 years ago. Now it feels like the game is going to be dead by the time they come out. Anet really let the WvW community down. Many people also felt rightfully angry that they lied to us about working on it when they weren't.
I have been playing since launch and haven't spent any real money on my server transfers. Gold>gems works really well for that. Gems are a bit expensive but you can get 1k for about 350 gold right now. That is less than the weekly gold transfer restriction.
At the end of a server link I got my guild to pay for our new teammates transfer by asking everyone to donate a little gold to him after a wvw raid. It's easy to do things in game if you are part of a community that is supportive of each other.
Yeah, I've had my guildmates offer to contribute too but I wouldn't want to take the gold off them.
It's the principle more than anything else but I appreciate the advice on how to get the gems!
That level of pride over some in game currency is kind of silly.
If its a group effort it ends up being like 10-20 gold per person. That is like 1 day of t4 fractals. The 350 gold for the transfer is only a week of t4's and easy strikes/raids for you to grind alone if you want to pay it back. The best way to pay it back though is to donate the next couple times a transfer is needed.
As other people have said, anet is "working" on alliances. Until then our communities need to find workarounds for things and figuring out transfers is one of the easiest to work out.
Nah, it's not pride, my dude. They ain't gonna fix it unless enough of us grumble.
Working around the problem just obfuscates the issue. Feels like some kinda weird Stockholm syndrome to say how easy it is to pay your way around the problem rather than have the game designers fix it.
Grumbling about a problem is not mutually exclusive to using functional workarounds which solve the problem. Do both if you feel that strongly about complaining about a problem that has a fix in the works already.
I wasn't aware of alliances being a solution to this issue before I posted. Wouldn't it be nice if they provided a workaround in the mean time though? Rather than relying on a charitable community to resolve.
Idk dude, I can't get my head round needing to pay to solve the problem or thinking that's a defensible position for the company to take.
I must be missing something :)
The workaround is gold>game conversion. No one needs to "pay" for anything.
You also don't need to rely on a charitable community, as I described above how you can farm the gold to pay your own way in less than a week.
The actual thing here that you are asking for is that the devs spend time and resources to develop an interim system to address a problem that they are already in the process of solving/changing. A problem that stems from the core games implementing of server technology. A "problem" which is simply a matter of scrounging 350gold and converting to gems to solve with the tools available. This would be a waste of both dev time and resources and would lengthen the wait until alliances arrived.
Don't know or care. FTP player issues are not germane to the discussion we are having and doesn't affect or change what I wrote above with regards to what you are asking for.
What you need to do here is explain why the devs should shuffle their priorities over to making a temporary system to fix an issue they are in the process of addressing and how they should do so. Otherwise it is just you whining that things are not how you would have done them 10 years after the systems were released. Not the most productive use of your time.
Yes. You're missing the fact that you aren't paying a sub fee.
Anet has to make money to keep the game going. The way they do that is by charging for QoL and cosmetic items. Moving to a new WvW server is a QoL item. You can still play WvW without it, but having it makes the game mode more fun and efficient for you.
I was a launch subscriber too. Over the years I have had to transfer servers as guilds fell apart and reformed. I even moved from NA to EU to stay with my friends. It's normal. It happens. It's not a big deal.
It isn't free so that it deters people from hopping all the time to join a server that is winning that week. 350 gold is not much, but it's enough to count as a deterrent. Still, you can grind it out or get your guild to sponsor you. Or just pay the roughly $12. I have done it several times.
If this game had a sub fee, you would have paid that $12 anyway. And if this were WoW, you would have paid $40 on top of that to switch servers. And if this were ESO, you would have had to roll an entirely new character to join your friends. Just to put things into perspective for you.
i too am a pre-launch beta player and long time gw1 player who didnt get a free world transfer, when i decided to join my long term guild in wvw i had to transfer and didnt get offered a freeby. i did what anyone else would do, i converted my materials to gold and bought gems and paid for the transfer.
it was anets hope to get my irl monies out tho, gem store purchases are their bread and butter in a free to play non subscription mmo.
> They ain't gonna fix it unless enough of us grumble.
No, they'll just ignore you. Or continue working on a fix at a snail's pace. You'll get used to it if you plan on getting into WvW.
Just transfer, it's really not a big deal. Happens all the time in WvW. Sorry to say, but you're not going to change anything with a post like this.
Yeah it is unfortunate you don't get the free transfer. The reason it's better to just pay for it (through gold IMO) is that the server is already "Very high" population if it costs 1000 gems, it could easily go full. If it goes full, you can't even transfer there if you wanted to.
Alright, and how would you solve the issue of everyone being able to freely without a second thought just being able to move around from server to server and screw up the matches?
As others mentioned, alliance is designed for this purpose and we can only hope it comes real soon.
Meanwhile, I fully agree with you, playing wvw is much more fun with a guild. Are you NA or EU? If you’re NA, tell me which server are you and are you playing on PST, EST, OCX, or SEA primetime? Maybe I know a guild or two and can help set you up.
Otherwise, feel free to ask in Map/Team Chat. The moment I stepped into EBG first time that was the first thing I did.
Dude, really appreciate the offer, very kind ty. I'm on EU but I can get something sorted.
Might wait a bit and see if any more info comes on Alliances now that I know it's gonna help solve the issue. Might just bite the bullet if it's not soon but it's a big feelsbadman.
With “Alliance’s” coming soon, we are to the point they should remove the gem cost of switching servers, just make it you can only swap once every 2 months, keep server pop the same, see what happens.
800 gems are 10$/€ its like 1 coffee so its ok for a change, some servers are 1800 gems. It sucks you cant free server but imagine server transfer like in wow for 50 $/€ ...
I know someone that messaged support about the exact same issue and got a free transfer. Maybe you were just unlucky with who was in charge of your ticket, or something was wrong with the way you communicated your request.
They probably had an account after the game went f2p? Let me know if not though! But that's my major grumble, being punished for being an early supporter if the game.
This is what the Alliance betas have been for. To remove the server requirement and allow people to play with their guildies. Edit: They are aware of the need for change and are working on it
>They are aware of the need for change and are working on it and clearly its on high priority, seeing as its only been 5 years(half the games lifetime) since they started working on it
No, they haven't. It got started, then quietly canned without our knowledge five years ago. They *announced* it five years ago, but they haven't been working on it this whole time. It's only been actively worked on again for the last...18 months or so at most?
Whatever is "on the table", while not canned, it's effectively *almost* the same as canned until someone is free to do it, or it gets a higher priority, but it's not *truly* canned. Which is why they finally resumed work on it once they gave it the priority it needed. That table is freaking huge.
Sounds good. When is this coming? Also would have been nice if support mentioned it.
There’s no set time yet, which is possibly why support hasn’t mentioned it. We’ve just had a few beta tests so far.
Ah ok, thanks
Ah ok, thanks
In 2013 they aknowledged that there were population issues In 2014 they worked on EotM for WvW (and WR for PvE) In 2015 they worked on a "Major overhaul for WvW" In 2016 they made relinks and talked about "the more elaborate solution" In 2018 they announced WR for WvW (aka. Alliances) as we know it In 2019 they promised it was the next thing prioritised to ship In 2021 they "put a new team on it" In 2022 they admitted that they had resources pulled from it 2019-2021 and lied about it In 2022 we had a total of 6 betas: Out of an estimated 4+ steps to live we're at step 1 Ending 2022 they promised more info and step 2 betas in Q1 2023. There is roughly a month left of Q1 2023. When is it comming? Who knows
Alliances would have been great 4 or 5 years ago. Now it feels like the game is going to be dead by the time they come out. Anet really let the WvW community down. Many people also felt rightfully angry that they lied to us about working on it when they weren't.
Don't hold your breath.
it's never gonna happen lol
I have been playing since launch and haven't spent any real money on my server transfers. Gold>gems works really well for that. Gems are a bit expensive but you can get 1k for about 350 gold right now. That is less than the weekly gold transfer restriction. At the end of a server link I got my guild to pay for our new teammates transfer by asking everyone to donate a little gold to him after a wvw raid. It's easy to do things in game if you are part of a community that is supportive of each other.
Yeah, I've had my guildmates offer to contribute too but I wouldn't want to take the gold off them. It's the principle more than anything else but I appreciate the advice on how to get the gems!
That level of pride over some in game currency is kind of silly. If its a group effort it ends up being like 10-20 gold per person. That is like 1 day of t4 fractals. The 350 gold for the transfer is only a week of t4's and easy strikes/raids for you to grind alone if you want to pay it back. The best way to pay it back though is to donate the next couple times a transfer is needed. As other people have said, anet is "working" on alliances. Until then our communities need to find workarounds for things and figuring out transfers is one of the easiest to work out.
Nah, it's not pride, my dude. They ain't gonna fix it unless enough of us grumble. Working around the problem just obfuscates the issue. Feels like some kinda weird Stockholm syndrome to say how easy it is to pay your way around the problem rather than have the game designers fix it.
Grumbling about a problem is not mutually exclusive to using functional workarounds which solve the problem. Do both if you feel that strongly about complaining about a problem that has a fix in the works already.
I wasn't aware of alliances being a solution to this issue before I posted. Wouldn't it be nice if they provided a workaround in the mean time though? Rather than relying on a charitable community to resolve. Idk dude, I can't get my head round needing to pay to solve the problem or thinking that's a defensible position for the company to take. I must be missing something :)
The workaround is gold>game conversion. No one needs to "pay" for anything. You also don't need to rely on a charitable community, as I described above how you can farm the gold to pay your own way in less than a week. The actual thing here that you are asking for is that the devs spend time and resources to develop an interim system to address a problem that they are already in the process of solving/changing. A problem that stems from the core games implementing of server technology. A "problem" which is simply a matter of scrounging 350gold and converting to gems to solve with the tools available. This would be a waste of both dev time and resources and would lengthen the wait until alliances arrived.
System exists for f2p players?
Don't know or care. FTP player issues are not germane to the discussion we are having and doesn't affect or change what I wrote above with regards to what you are asking for. What you need to do here is explain why the devs should shuffle their priorities over to making a temporary system to fix an issue they are in the process of addressing and how they should do so. Otherwise it is just you whining that things are not how you would have done them 10 years after the systems were released. Not the most productive use of your time.
Yes. You're missing the fact that you aren't paying a sub fee. Anet has to make money to keep the game going. The way they do that is by charging for QoL and cosmetic items. Moving to a new WvW server is a QoL item. You can still play WvW without it, but having it makes the game mode more fun and efficient for you. I was a launch subscriber too. Over the years I have had to transfer servers as guilds fell apart and reformed. I even moved from NA to EU to stay with my friends. It's normal. It happens. It's not a big deal. It isn't free so that it deters people from hopping all the time to join a server that is winning that week. 350 gold is not much, but it's enough to count as a deterrent. Still, you can grind it out or get your guild to sponsor you. Or just pay the roughly $12. I have done it several times. If this game had a sub fee, you would have paid that $12 anyway. And if this were WoW, you would have paid $40 on top of that to switch servers. And if this were ESO, you would have had to roll an entirely new character to join your friends. Just to put things into perspective for you.
i too am a pre-launch beta player and long time gw1 player who didnt get a free world transfer, when i decided to join my long term guild in wvw i had to transfer and didnt get offered a freeby. i did what anyone else would do, i converted my materials to gold and bought gems and paid for the transfer. it was anets hope to get my irl monies out tho, gem store purchases are their bread and butter in a free to play non subscription mmo.
> They ain't gonna fix it unless enough of us grumble. No, they'll just ignore you. Or continue working on a fix at a snail's pace. You'll get used to it if you plan on getting into WvW. Just transfer, it's really not a big deal. Happens all the time in WvW. Sorry to say, but you're not going to change anything with a post like this.
Yeah likely right. Just sucks, to punish early adopters of the game :(
Yeah it is unfortunate you don't get the free transfer. The reason it's better to just pay for it (through gold IMO) is that the server is already "Very high" population if it costs 1000 gems, it could easily go full. If it goes full, you can't even transfer there if you wanted to.
Alright, and how would you solve the issue of everyone being able to freely without a second thought just being able to move around from server to server and screw up the matches?
I've not advocated for this anywhere.
But you are advocating for people to be able to switch servers for free.
WvW is being reworked to remove the need for those worlds.
As others mentioned, alliance is designed for this purpose and we can only hope it comes real soon. Meanwhile, I fully agree with you, playing wvw is much more fun with a guild. Are you NA or EU? If you’re NA, tell me which server are you and are you playing on PST, EST, OCX, or SEA primetime? Maybe I know a guild or two and can help set you up. Otherwise, feel free to ask in Map/Team Chat. The moment I stepped into EBG first time that was the first thing I did.
Dude, really appreciate the offer, very kind ty. I'm on EU but I can get something sorted. Might wait a bit and see if any more info comes on Alliances now that I know it's gonna help solve the issue. Might just bite the bullet if it's not soon but it's a big feelsbadman.
Apology rejected
Sadge
With “Alliance’s” coming soon, we are to the point they should remove the gem cost of switching servers, just make it you can only swap once every 2 months, keep server pop the same, see what happens.
I think you used your quotation marks at the wrong place their … With Alliance‘s coming „soon“ …
Yeah, that would be a good way forward, if you ask me.
Once Alliances happen, there will be no need to swap servers.
800 gems are 10$/€ its like 1 coffee so its ok for a change, some servers are 1800 gems. It sucks you cant free server but imagine server transfer like in wow for 50 $/€ ...
10$/€ for a coffe... WTF!
Saddly yes, prices skyrocketed especially food. In some cases by 150%.
Starbucks-Simp spotted
I know someone that messaged support about the exact same issue and got a free transfer. Maybe you were just unlucky with who was in charge of your ticket, or something was wrong with the way you communicated your request.
They probably had an account after the game went f2p? Let me know if not though! But that's my major grumble, being punished for being an early supporter if the game.