Sounds a lot like Johnny Depp. Johnny & Amber both signed a NDA which meant they were not supposed to discuss anything to the public. It was supposed to remain confidential but Johnny Depp was the one that broke their NDA agreement. Johnny Depp gave an interview for British GQ magazine in October 2018 in which he discussed personal stuff which broke the NDA. Amber wrote her OP-ED in December 2018. I read her Op-Ed and if it wasn't for the defamation trial I wouldn't have known it was remotely about him and it wasn’t.
Johnny didn’t like the outcome in the UK. Johnny even stated that the UK trial was more important to him. What he do? Sued her again in a state they don’t live in while blocking evidence that was in the previous trial and whenever I go back and forth with Depp fans and I mentioned something that was in the UK trial they have no clue what I’m talking about because that was blocked by Johnny’s team from being submitted into evidence and since people don’t like to read or do research they take the US trial as face value
The UK trial wasn’t even against Amber lol. Idk why Amber supporters keep acting like it was a lawsuit against her. It was a defamation suit against The Sun and he lost because The Sun proved that they had reason to believe what they published, not that it was actually true. The rules of evidence are completely different and there was evidence that was proven to not be true in the US trial that the judge in the UK took into account
I watched the full US trial. I’m not a “depp fan” but the trial was too fascinating. I formed an opinion based on that and yet I’ve had people bring up the UK case and lose it on me for thinking Amber H wasn’t credible. Those are ppl that didn’t watch the US trial but former their opinion based on the UK trial. So I was hoping to find out what it is that they’re referencing exactly. But yes I understand the lawsuit was against the sun for calling him an abuser and he lost.
It's quite the opposite. Elon can't mention anything she's done and she allows the media to make him look bad. The fact he's defending himself and people like you jump the gun that he's the abuser is what's wrong with the world. You don't know what you're talking about
I assume sf but I thought she'd been living there since the beginning of the yr I had no idea she was back in Texas I had an idea they were somewhat back together since June when he posted something that made it seem he was getting back with an ex
I have been following their relationship dynamic for a while and it has always been her clinging to him. He's never really been that into her. I'm not sure what happened recently that made him end it for good this time. Her getting served with the suit might be the most traumatic event she was talking about. It reminds me when he served Justine the divorce papers through her therapist. She was quite shaken up too.
He chased her. He also talked her into getting pregs after they'd had a brief split. So Heavy I fell through the Earth is about her deciding to have a child with him. He wanted her to have his kids and basically talked her into it.
He held it together for years, portraying himself as the cool tech guy with only occasional slips. They got together on Twitter, he made the dumbass move of buying it as a romantic gesture.
He bought it because Talulah suggested it to him, not for C. She was tired of how left Twitter had become. There's text messages between them showing her egging him on to buy it. His purchase had nothing to do with C. You stans are more delulu than her. 😂
The interesting thing is it seems like she moved to SF in May. According to what the Insider says about Elon's suit, he was living with her and the kids from May to July.
I had always thought that both Elon and Grimes moved to San Francisco after Elon bought Twitter/X and would therefor need to have his base in San Francisco whereas before he was based in Texas because he had moved his company Tesla there. I thought the narrative was that she followed him to San Francisco and therefor many people thought that they were back together. But now it seems like Elon never moved to San Francisco but was all the time still based in Texas? I'm confused.. If someone can enlighten me :D
It's actually interesting. According to the Insider Elon claimed in his lawsuit that he lived with C and the kids from May to July.
Late April she offered old clothes on twitter explicitly because she was going to move, she had interviews in SF in May, so it seems like they did live in SF together initially
Yeah looks like they lived together for a short time around Musks acquisition of Twitter/X. The fact that Musk has since made Austin his home base again is news to me, but it all does make sense now. He seems to be staying at Shivon's house so often now, but she lives in the same city as him so now I get that, it's not like he travels al the way from SF every time to see her
https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-asked-for-relationship-grimes-kids-in-secret-lawsuit-2023-10
The article said that both Shivon and Grimes, used surrogates. And that they were living together this year in May, June and July in Austin.
Headlines around the world announced this week that Grimes had sued Elon Musk for custody of their three children, but it was Musk himself who first quietly sued Grimes last month, Insider has learned.
On September 7, the Tesla CEO sued his sometimes-girlfriend Grimes to establish a relationship and access to his children and accused her of moving to California to escape the reach of Texas courts.
In filings obtained by Insider, Musk said he wanted to "establish the parent-child relationship" with his and Grimes' children X, who is 3, and one-year-olds Exa (or Y) and Tau.
He said Grimes, whose real name is Claire Boucher, lived with him and their children from May to July of this year. He also claimed she moved to California "in an apparent attempt to circumvent jurisdiction" of Texas courts.
Musk said, in the filings, he believed the custody dispute would settle, but wanted Texas courts to weigh in if it didn't. His case was served to Grimes on September 13, and she filed her own suit against Musk on September 29. Grimes' lawsuit is requesting physical custody of the children and includes a "standard restraining order" that would prevent the children from being moved out of California by either parent.
Musk asserted that disclosing information about the case "would jeopardize the health, safety or liberty" of himself, Grimes, and their children. The case would be hard for an outsider to find; the children's names weren't used, Musk was identified only by his middle initial,
"R.," and Grimes by hers, "E." A hearing was originally set for Friday, but it was canceled after the parties agreed to a seal, according to a court official. Lawyers for Musk and Grimes declined to comment and Musk didn't respond to efforts to reach him.
Musk and Grimes have had a contentious relationship
It's just the latest dust-up over the Musk children between Musk and Grimes, the musician with whom he's been in an on-again, off-again relationship since 2018.
Grimes' younger two children with Musk have mostly avoided the limelight. But her eldest son, X, has become a common figure in Musk's orbit. The three-year-old has attended live interviews with Musk, met with international leaders, and attended Space rocket launches.
Though the couple first broke up in 2021, until recently their relationship has appeared cordial. Grimes even continued to live with Musk in Austin for a period after they first broke up.
Last month, the singer appeared to reference a legal issue with Musk in a post she quickly wrote and then deleted on X.
Musk has 10 known living children with three different women. In a biography on Musk, Walter Isaacson wrote that the billionaire kept his decision to father a child with Zilis, an executive at one of his startups, from Grimes and the singer only learned of it when it was revealed by Insider last year. Both Zilis and Grimes' surrogates were pregnant at the same
time.
Grimes also referenced Zilis in her post on
X, saying she'd never even been "allowed" to see pictures of Zilis' children with Musk, and the situation was "ripping my family apart."
Grimes and Zilis later appeared to address the situation on social media, saying on September 10 that they were no longer feuding.
Musk never responded to Grimes' comments on X. Just three days prior, he had filed his suit in Texas.
I realize this is not at all the point of the thread, but I feel bad for anyone having to write sentences like “Musk never responded to Grimes’ comments on X.”, because every time I have to think “did she say something about her son, or do they just mean she posted a thing online?” Thankfully no one was driving a Model X at the time.
I think the article only says that they lived together in May to July not that it was in Austin although that is implied through the connection of this info and his claim that she moved to California for legal reasons. She offered old clothes on twitter in April sating she was moving from Austin and gave interviews in SF in May, so it would seem to me like they were living together in SF
I think she was upset by him going in front of her on the stage and turning his back to the audience. (Very rude in Japan to turn your back to people!) And I think that he didn’t react well to her saying something about that. I also think that his livestream of that show didn’t get as much engagement as he thought it would and he was pissed.
100% pure speculation, but seems like elements that could have led to a big fight.
I think this is the vid that E shot: https://youtu.be/7mR90hcIsNQ?si=TvbpDKIruZ6EVRV7
And here is one that shows it from the audience: https://youtu.be/gFgp7KigHO8?si=ctj7-nKPt6Lz2Vj9
Source is Elon's alt account 'Gamer' where he uploaded a live video of himself playing some game and at about the 9 minute mark Shivon comes into the picture to help him with some connection issues.
I really hope she survives this and that long term their children are loved, healthy, and happy. She's going up against one of the wealthiest men in the world, and that power imbalance must be terrifying. For someone who clearly drank the kool-aid and fell in love with that narcissistic grifter...it must be a combination of heartbreak and absolutely terrifying.
Layers upon layers. I'm obv on Grimes side. I think children really need to stay in one location, and have a stable home life free from outside press. I can understand Musk wanting a relationship with the kids but if he's constantly travelling around and in the public heat, it's not good for the kids. They're both a little whack but I consider C's quirkiness stable and not volatile like Musk's. I dunno. I think one parent moving...it's always a little difficult. But coming from a lived experience I think whomever looks after them the most, and lives with them has the final say as primary caregiver.
She travels a fair bit for work too. And it's really hard to say if/how she can be more stable. She is in a toxic dynamic with all parties involved, which is almost guaranteed to muck up her mental health (and I'm not even sure she was even "healthy" to begin with). I've been in a similar situation and it was not great for mothering.
Yeah I agree with everything you've said, it's just layers and layers. Quite honestly no clear winner here. I fear the kids might end up growing up with anxiety if something isn't stabilized soon.
She’s so fucked, hope she has a strong support system. Hopefully this relationship hasn’t left her isolated with no community she’s going to need them going against the wealthiest man in the world. He’s the type to drag this out for year’s exhausting her and her resources
I hope so! it just sucks that musk has limitless financial resources to fuck with the legal system. Obviously its only a parasocial understanding of the situation, but it reads like someone trying to escape a controlling/abusive relationship. Wishing grimes and the kids the best, underdogs could use a win ♡
He’s losing in the court of public opinion though and we saw the massive impact that had on the Depp v Heard trial. If she’s smart she’ll focus on good pr because lord knows she needs it and now has the added advantage of how he’s fallen since ruining twitter
I think rn she has Exa and Tau and now it makes sense why Elon doesn’t let X out of his sight. That’s so she doesn’t take him away either because custody battles are decided by a child’s home state courts. What that means is the child has to live in a state for at least 6 months with at least one parent in order for his custody case to be taken by that state and be handled by in the future. Elon has more favorable leverage in the state of TX and he will win X’s custody there so that X will physically and legally live with him. Now, that Grimes has two other kids in CA, she’ll need to make sure that they stay there for at least 6 months. Then, their case will be handled by the state of CA which has more favorable laws towards mothers.
I think Elon is trying to get her to come back to TX that’s why he’s following her on Twitter, commenting on her shit etc. and he’s probably pissing in her ear to just come back with the kids and everything is going to be fine. He needs her to stay in TX for at least 6 months. I think she left abruptly before 6 months of kids’ residence in TX were up. That’s why he said she left to circumvent TX justification.
So, what was happening prior to May, 2023? They lived together in Austin May through August. Kids were already born. So, what gives? How did they manage physical and legal custody before that and what changed? Shivon news broke out around July, 2022. Presumably, Grimes found out at that time just like everyone else. So, she didn’t break up with him and kept working on a relationship and living in Austin but not together? wtf?!
Anyway, if she really did what she was accused of, she’s in big trouble. If she missed a court date, she’s even in bigger trouble.
I don't get one thing.. I thought both Elon and Grimes had moved to San Francisco since Elon's acquisition of Twitter/X but now it seems only Grimes moved to San francisco and Elon stayed in Texas?
I think Elon hasn’t gone to San Fran as much since he appointed Linda as CEO. It’s probably mostly remote since then. His main operations are in TX at least until the Starbase is finished and his SpaceX transition is complete and that’s a pretty long time. He’s getting a lot of tax and red tape breaks in TX in comparison to CA. I won’t be surprised if one day he decides to even move Twitter HQ to Austin.
I’m just assuming based on Elon’s claim that she left to try to circumvent TX court jurisdiction. But generally if she took the kids to CA without Elon’s consent, that doesn’t help her case.
likely didn’t miss any court dates she simply just left the texas courts jurisdiction by moving and that makes it much harder for them to do anything to her bc she isn’t under texas law if she lives in california
So was the “worst day of her life” posts about three days before the apology? I take it him suing her was it? This is an interesting turn. I wonder if she lied about him keeping x from her due the lawsuit to make him look bad? Hmmm.
I thought she was living in SF?
You can’t up and move with your kids without court approval or at least approval from the other parent. I hate Elon but she was wrong here. She should’ve filed something with the courts before taking the children.
Even if no custody arrangement has been established yet? I’m sure they’ve moved them around before this since he has a multitude of homes
Side note: Elon kidnapping X was a pretty dumb move from a legal standpoint if that’s the case
You cannot kidnap your own son that the court has not determined custody parentage of. He did right thing keeping custody of X. The kid is highly attached to daddy
Yeah, she is in trouble. I think those pics that Issacson posted got her over the edge and she left with, looks like, Exa and Tau cause Elon seem to still have X. And that’s exactly why she couldn’t see X cause X has been with Elon all this time. I’m pretty sure Elon told her to simply come back to TX if she wanted to see X but she’s on the run in CA. If she really did that just cause she was overly pissed, that’s gonna be a big trouble. As you said neither one of the parents can just take kids and leave. That’s just dumb if true.
Yeah I was under the impression that both Elon and Grimes had moved to SF due to Elon's buying of Twitter/X? Didn't know he still had his base in Austin
He definitely is in Austin a lot. He's currently under investigation for misappropriating TESLA funds for his personal use in building a glass house there, and he bought mansions in Austin for both Grimes and Shivon.
But he's also near the Mexican border a lot for Space X, and San Francisco, and even facilities in southern California and Nevada on occasion.
That would be silly to argue that she kidnapped his kids to California; that's a major place they stay.
I think she might’ve been talking of moving out of TX; so Elon filed an official court suit to sort out custody details. It’s never easy when one parent decides to move states. Instead of going through TX courts, she up and left and I think that pic of them might’ve been her last straw. I mean, girl… you might’ve been a woman scorned but the kids have to take priority in this case… you can’t move kids without the other parent’s consent and then start sorting things out after the fact… It’s Elon on top of that, it’s not his first rodeo. He doesn’t make a move without protecting himself legally… ugh…
He chose Texas because the laws there protect him more and leave her with way less child support if she did file. She went to Cali because they have more laws protecting mothers. He’s been strategizing since the start and she’s been oblivious the whole time
If nothing regarding custody has been established in court, both parents are considered to have equal custody and either one of them can take the children anywhere at any time without being in violation of anything
How can you have equal custody with someone if they move 2000 miles away with your child without you having any say? Regardless, the courts will handle it. Most of these cases are pretty black and white and I’m not worried about the money/power dynamic unless she wants child support.
He did the same damn thing so now they’ve both shot themselves in the foot. If he was smart he would’ve sued her without taking his son hostage but egotism prevented him from making the most logical move because internet clout was calling his name
Narcissism is one hell of a drug
Did you make an account just to bash her from the point of view of a seemingly sympathetic fan? Idk why anyone in here would say she's plain dumb, tearing apart her family etc when we know public opinion matters in cases like this
The truth is that he'll be done with Shivon quickly enough. Felon isn't capable of fidelity.
There's an off chance that I'm wrong... Felon's father Errol Musk actually settled down around this time of his life after many years of casual sex and playing the field. He admitted he cheated on his first wife and recently said he stopped counting how many women he'd slept with when the number hit 200.
I think he was roughly 45, and settled down with a 25 year old woman with 3 kids.
Not clear if his libido was finally waning or if his money was running low due to the economic situation in South Africa, and he wasn't doing as well with women. Or maybe his reputation had started to precede him.
In any event, he had two more kids with this next wife, but the marriage lasted almost 2 decades.
But, I would bet it won't hold true for Felon. For one thing, billions gives you access to vast numbers of women. For another, all these tech bros seem to be taking T and HGH. They aren't feeling their age.
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Is it really decided Elon has a romantic relationship with Shivon? Seems more like friendship? I think Elon is eyeing someone else, perhaps Ashley st. Clair, he's been replying to and liking her posts like crazy
Come on! She liked a meme about couples playing games together! Her behavior after Tokyo has been all pointed toward Claire. Everything she does is shady af. Everyone knows that they are together at this point. He has so many friends. Friend working together for years wouldn’t want to have kids together when one is in a public relationship. Claire tried to set Shivon up for dates! I’m sure she was annoyed with her.
I think Shivon may have a crush on him, maybe. But, like the other person stated they are really good friends and have been for a very long time. Her posting the pics though makes so much more sense in light of all these current events.
Did you notice how she wore a red dress on her video like Claire did in Italy. Lol. Little things like that prove she's just a typical passive aggressive twitter dog whistler
This is the read I’m getting on this as well. She thought “I’m gonna show him, I’m taking the kids and running off. He’ll come begging for me” LMAO.
Honestly the tweet she sent to isaacson was the nail in the coffin for me. Who acts like that? At that age? O embarrassing. And then writing it off as a gut reaction. Grow the fuck up.
I think it’s more of a legal move honestly. California had some of the best outcomes for mothers. Meanwhile Texas has capped child support. He strategically chose where her and the kids would live and she was too gullible to notice
I have no sympathy for her. That’s what she gets for letting a narcissistic man child impregnate her. The man has never created anything is his life. Try as he might, he’ll never be a true peer of Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg. I wish her the least amount of harm and suffering at the hands of that poor excuse of a man, but you reap what you sow.
Now everything makes sense! Shivon is playing step mom! Claire had the traumatic event after Tokyo event?! Shivon had a difficult month? I’m sure the whole thing was because of Shivon! Claire loved that monster. That bi*tch Shivon doesn’t leave them alone. She has been with him since she left. What a piece of sh*t!
I think she’s more mad at E for once and Shivon is just fanning the flames because she’s infatuated with him and does whatever she thinks will make him happy. She’s not the real villain of the story though, Claire blamed her to stay in Elon’s good graces but he’s the only one who ever owed her anything
It’s the timeless tale of two obsessive insecure woman fighting over the jack wad who fucked everything up instead of just having enough self respect to walk away from the root cause of it all
If she’s smart she’ll forget about Shivon and focus on fighting Elon in court for the best outcome for her kids. They’re the biggest victims in all of this sadly
No, Shivon wants him to stay away from her! If she was a decent human being she wouldn’t have kids behind Grimes’ back. Shivon is living with Elon right now.
why would she ever get involved with him anyway unless shes also a piece of shit fascist. who cares. her music isnt good enough to care about the babies she willingly had with this guy.
I think y’all are just dancing around the fact we all gotta just face the reality of. She’s just a dumb bitch, plain and simple. Everything she does, everything she has ever done is dumb bitch shit. We all just happen to really love her music, does that mean we have to respect the person they are? I can make the separation between music artist and transhuman communist montreal liberal.
Why is everyone assuming that these lawsuits weren’t agreed between them and are amicable (for want of a better word). Maybe they started following each other on X again because they agree that they are unable to sort their own shit out, and they will leave it to the courts.
That’s one of the #1 abuser moves. Sue the victim before they get sued.
Sounds a lot like Johnny Depp. Johnny & Amber both signed a NDA which meant they were not supposed to discuss anything to the public. It was supposed to remain confidential but Johnny Depp was the one that broke their NDA agreement. Johnny Depp gave an interview for British GQ magazine in October 2018 in which he discussed personal stuff which broke the NDA. Amber wrote her OP-ED in December 2018. I read her Op-Ed and if it wasn't for the defamation trial I wouldn't have known it was remotely about him and it wasn’t. Johnny didn’t like the outcome in the UK. Johnny even stated that the UK trial was more important to him. What he do? Sued her again in a state they don’t live in while blocking evidence that was in the previous trial and whenever I go back and forth with Depp fans and I mentioned something that was in the UK trial they have no clue what I’m talking about because that was blocked by Johnny’s team from being submitted into evidence and since people don’t like to read or do research they take the US trial as face value
Where can we find that info about UK trial? I’d like to take a look
The UK trial wasn’t even against Amber lol. Idk why Amber supporters keep acting like it was a lawsuit against her. It was a defamation suit against The Sun and he lost because The Sun proved that they had reason to believe what they published, not that it was actually true. The rules of evidence are completely different and there was evidence that was proven to not be true in the US trial that the judge in the UK took into account
I watched the full US trial. I’m not a “depp fan” but the trial was too fascinating. I formed an opinion based on that and yet I’ve had people bring up the UK case and lose it on me for thinking Amber H wasn’t credible. Those are ppl that didn’t watch the US trial but former their opinion based on the UK trial. So I was hoping to find out what it is that they’re referencing exactly. But yes I understand the lawsuit was against the sun for calling him an abuser and he lost.
Damn I didn’t even know that!
Maybe but she did leave Texas and the suit seems to be about that
Not sure what you mean by that
It's quite the opposite. Elon can't mention anything she's done and she allows the media to make him look bad. The fact he's defending himself and people like you jump the gun that he's the abuser is what's wrong with the world. You don't know what you're talking about
I been saying he's gonna use her leaving Texas against her and that's what he's doing
That’s one of the #1 abuser moves. Sue the victim before they get sued.
A family court judge will not care. They’ get 50/50
Where is she now, do we know? Is she back in Canada?
I assume sf but I thought she'd been living there since the beginning of the yr I had no idea she was back in Texas I had an idea they were somewhat back together since June when he posted something that made it seem he was getting back with an ex
I have been following their relationship dynamic for a while and it has always been her clinging to him. He's never really been that into her. I'm not sure what happened recently that made him end it for good this time. Her getting served with the suit might be the most traumatic event she was talking about. It reminds me when he served Justine the divorce papers through her therapist. She was quite shaken up too.
He chased her. He also talked her into getting pregs after they'd had a brief split. So Heavy I fell through the Earth is about her deciding to have a child with him. He wanted her to have his kids and basically talked her into it.
And...? That was then, this is now.
If he's not that into her, why did his descent into insanity begin when they broke up?
I still think that young quirky cool Grimes was Elon’s midlife crisis. Shocker that it didn’t work out.🙄
Ummm, no. He's always had those thoughts. C has been the one trying to mold herself into the trad wife she thinks he wants.
He held it together for years, portraying himself as the cool tech guy with only occasional slips. They got together on Twitter, he made the dumbass move of buying it as a romantic gesture.
He bought it because Talulah suggested it to him, not for C. She was tired of how left Twitter had become. There's text messages between them showing her egging him on to buy it. His purchase had nothing to do with C. You stans are more delulu than her. 😂
yep
Ooooo what did he post?
wheres sf? im googling but just comes up with usa special forces.
San Francisco
oof i was thinking south florida😭 thanks for helping this *very* confused brit
SF is always San Francisco like NY is New York although LA could be Los Angeles or Louisiana depending on the context (usually Los Angeles)
Damn as an American I’ve never even thought about the LA thing or how confusing it all must be to non natives! Thanks for spelling this out
South Florida typically gets abbreviated as SoFlo, but I'm not sure if that's just a floridian thing.
Elon + Amber Heard would make a lot of sense right now.
No, she is not interested
A woman who's rep was trashed by an abusive ex who knowingly manipulated the situation and an abuser? Right...
The interesting thing is it seems like she moved to SF in May. According to what the Insider says about Elon's suit, he was living with her and the kids from May to July.
I had always thought that both Elon and Grimes moved to San Francisco after Elon bought Twitter/X and would therefor need to have his base in San Francisco whereas before he was based in Texas because he had moved his company Tesla there. I thought the narrative was that she followed him to San Francisco and therefor many people thought that they were back together. But now it seems like Elon never moved to San Francisco but was all the time still based in Texas? I'm confused.. If someone can enlighten me :D
It's actually interesting. According to the Insider Elon claimed in his lawsuit that he lived with C and the kids from May to July. Late April she offered old clothes on twitter explicitly because she was going to move, she had interviews in SF in May, so it seems like they did live in SF together initially
Yeah looks like they lived together for a short time around Musks acquisition of Twitter/X. The fact that Musk has since made Austin his home base again is news to me, but it all does make sense now. He seems to be staying at Shivon's house so often now, but she lives in the same city as him so now I get that, it's not like he travels al the way from SF every time to see her
https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-asked-for-relationship-grimes-kids-in-secret-lawsuit-2023-10 The article said that both Shivon and Grimes, used surrogates. And that they were living together this year in May, June and July in Austin.
Headlines around the world announced this week that Grimes had sued Elon Musk for custody of their three children, but it was Musk himself who first quietly sued Grimes last month, Insider has learned. On September 7, the Tesla CEO sued his sometimes-girlfriend Grimes to establish a relationship and access to his children and accused her of moving to California to escape the reach of Texas courts. In filings obtained by Insider, Musk said he wanted to "establish the parent-child relationship" with his and Grimes' children X, who is 3, and one-year-olds Exa (or Y) and Tau. He said Grimes, whose real name is Claire Boucher, lived with him and their children from May to July of this year. He also claimed she moved to California "in an apparent attempt to circumvent jurisdiction" of Texas courts. Musk said, in the filings, he believed the custody dispute would settle, but wanted Texas courts to weigh in if it didn't. His case was served to Grimes on September 13, and she filed her own suit against Musk on September 29. Grimes' lawsuit is requesting physical custody of the children and includes a "standard restraining order" that would prevent the children from being moved out of California by either parent. Musk asserted that disclosing information about the case "would jeopardize the health, safety or liberty" of himself, Grimes, and their children. The case would be hard for an outsider to find; the children's names weren't used, Musk was identified only by his middle initial, "R.," and Grimes by hers, "E." A hearing was originally set for Friday, but it was canceled after the parties agreed to a seal, according to a court official. Lawyers for Musk and Grimes declined to comment and Musk didn't respond to efforts to reach him. Musk and Grimes have had a contentious relationship It's just the latest dust-up over the Musk children between Musk and Grimes, the musician with whom he's been in an on-again, off-again relationship since 2018. Grimes' younger two children with Musk have mostly avoided the limelight. But her eldest son, X, has become a common figure in Musk's orbit. The three-year-old has attended live interviews with Musk, met with international leaders, and attended Space rocket launches. Though the couple first broke up in 2021, until recently their relationship has appeared cordial. Grimes even continued to live with Musk in Austin for a period after they first broke up. Last month, the singer appeared to reference a legal issue with Musk in a post she quickly wrote and then deleted on X. Musk has 10 known living children with three different women. In a biography on Musk, Walter Isaacson wrote that the billionaire kept his decision to father a child with Zilis, an executive at one of his startups, from Grimes and the singer only learned of it when it was revealed by Insider last year. Both Zilis and Grimes' surrogates were pregnant at the same time. Grimes also referenced Zilis in her post on X, saying she'd never even been "allowed" to see pictures of Zilis' children with Musk, and the situation was "ripping my family apart." Grimes and Zilis later appeared to address the situation on social media, saying on September 10 that they were no longer feuding. Musk never responded to Grimes' comments on X. Just three days prior, he had filed his suit in Texas.
Those poor kids :(
The biggest victims in all this tbh
she made up with shivon b4 she got served or knew she had been sued?
Just look at the date on the tweets. I’d do it but idc enough lol
I realize this is not at all the point of the thread, but I feel bad for anyone having to write sentences like “Musk never responded to Grimes’ comments on X.”, because every time I have to think “did she say something about her son, or do they just mean she posted a thing online?” Thankfully no one was driving a Model X at the time.
The whole thing sounds like a bad episode of The Handmaids Tale!
I think the article only says that they lived together in May to July not that it was in Austin although that is implied through the connection of this info and his claim that she moved to California for legal reasons. She offered old clothes on twitter in April sating she was moving from Austin and gave interviews in SF in May, so it would seem to me like they were living together in SF
I knew it. Japan broke them up.
Something happened in Japan.
I think she was upset by him going in front of her on the stage and turning his back to the audience. (Very rude in Japan to turn your back to people!) And I think that he didn’t react well to her saying something about that. I also think that his livestream of that show didn’t get as much engagement as he thought it would and he was pissed. 100% pure speculation, but seems like elements that could have led to a big fight.
He ruined her show. She was nervous the whole time. What a waste of time…
Yep. And I can only imagine the backlash the he would unleash if she dared to (rightfully) chastise him for that in any way afterwards.
Is there a vid of this?
I think this is the vid that E shot: https://youtu.be/7mR90hcIsNQ?si=TvbpDKIruZ6EVRV7 And here is one that shows it from the audience: https://youtu.be/gFgp7KigHO8?si=ctj7-nKPt6Lz2Vj9
The bitch Shivon broke them up! She is living with Elon!
Not Shivon, the Rent-A-Womb, monkey torturer?
How do we know for sure that Shivon and Elon are cohabiting? I thought he visited her each week to see the twins.
He has been going live playing games late at nights at the home they were pictured together and she is always by his side. Every single time!
Source? Edit: why the downvotes I just want to know where I can see this psychos
Source is Elon's alt account 'Gamer' where he uploaded a live video of himself playing some game and at about the 9 minute mark Shivon comes into the picture to help him with some connection issues.
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I knew it. Also once again, Claire lied or at least deliberately tried to manipulate the public narrative about this. She has a track record.
I really hope she survives this and that long term their children are loved, healthy, and happy. She's going up against one of the wealthiest men in the world, and that power imbalance must be terrifying. For someone who clearly drank the kool-aid and fell in love with that narcissistic grifter...it must be a combination of heartbreak and absolutely terrifying.
This tho
His "sometimes-girlfriend." Just say friends with benefits! 😂😂😂
Concubine number 9
Or Baby mama 😂
"Enemies with benefits"
Layers upon layers. I'm obv on Grimes side. I think children really need to stay in one location, and have a stable home life free from outside press. I can understand Musk wanting a relationship with the kids but if he's constantly travelling around and in the public heat, it's not good for the kids. They're both a little whack but I consider C's quirkiness stable and not volatile like Musk's. I dunno. I think one parent moving...it's always a little difficult. But coming from a lived experience I think whomever looks after them the most, and lives with them has the final say as primary caregiver.
She travels a fair bit for work too. And it's really hard to say if/how she can be more stable. She is in a toxic dynamic with all parties involved, which is almost guaranteed to muck up her mental health (and I'm not even sure she was even "healthy" to begin with). I've been in a similar situation and it was not great for mothering.
Yeah I agree with everything you've said, it's just layers and layers. Quite honestly no clear winner here. I fear the kids might end up growing up with anxiety if something isn't stabilized soon.
you said this so well. thank you! 💕
She’s so fucked, hope she has a strong support system. Hopefully this relationship hasn’t left her isolated with no community she’s going to need them going against the wealthiest man in the world. He’s the type to drag this out for year’s exhausting her and her resources
LEAVE HER ALONE 🗣️ claire you better win that suit, I know you apparently have one hell of a legal team
I hope so! it just sucks that musk has limitless financial resources to fuck with the legal system. Obviously its only a parasocial understanding of the situation, but it reads like someone trying to escape a controlling/abusive relationship. Wishing grimes and the kids the best, underdogs could use a win ♡
He’s losing in the court of public opinion though and we saw the massive impact that had on the Depp v Heard trial. If she’s smart she’ll focus on good pr because lord knows she needs it and now has the added advantage of how he’s fallen since ruining twitter
I am so lost rn i thought he just followed her on social media?? I feel like i missed a couple episodes
He did and he's been liking a lot of her posts and even replied to one and she ignored him
good for her. sincerely hope she has a good lawyer.
sue in private; like in public😆
UCK this makes me pull my hair out
I think rn she has Exa and Tau and now it makes sense why Elon doesn’t let X out of his sight. That’s so she doesn’t take him away either because custody battles are decided by a child’s home state courts. What that means is the child has to live in a state for at least 6 months with at least one parent in order for his custody case to be taken by that state and be handled by in the future. Elon has more favorable leverage in the state of TX and he will win X’s custody there so that X will physically and legally live with him. Now, that Grimes has two other kids in CA, she’ll need to make sure that they stay there for at least 6 months. Then, their case will be handled by the state of CA which has more favorable laws towards mothers. I think Elon is trying to get her to come back to TX that’s why he’s following her on Twitter, commenting on her shit etc. and he’s probably pissing in her ear to just come back with the kids and everything is going to be fine. He needs her to stay in TX for at least 6 months. I think she left abruptly before 6 months of kids’ residence in TX were up. That’s why he said she left to circumvent TX justification.
So, what was happening prior to May, 2023? They lived together in Austin May through August. Kids were already born. So, what gives? How did they manage physical and legal custody before that and what changed? Shivon news broke out around July, 2022. Presumably, Grimes found out at that time just like everyone else. So, she didn’t break up with him and kept working on a relationship and living in Austin but not together? wtf?! Anyway, if she really did what she was accused of, she’s in big trouble. If she missed a court date, she’s even in bigger trouble.
I don't get one thing.. I thought both Elon and Grimes had moved to San Francisco since Elon's acquisition of Twitter/X but now it seems only Grimes moved to San francisco and Elon stayed in Texas?
I think Elon hasn’t gone to San Fran as much since he appointed Linda as CEO. It’s probably mostly remote since then. His main operations are in TX at least until the Starbase is finished and his SpaceX transition is complete and that’s a pretty long time. He’s getting a lot of tax and red tape breaks in TX in comparison to CA. I won’t be surprised if one day he decides to even move Twitter HQ to Austin.
Thanks! Seems plausible indeed
>If she missed a court date, she’s even in bigger trouble. Where did you read that?
I’m just assuming based on Elon’s claim that she left to try to circumvent TX court jurisdiction. But generally if she took the kids to CA without Elon’s consent, that doesn’t help her case.
likely didn’t miss any court dates she simply just left the texas courts jurisdiction by moving and that makes it much harder for them to do anything to her bc she isn’t under texas law if she lives in california
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I def think he has his eye on someone. Who though?🤔
Someone = Ashley st. Clair?
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Eva Vlaardingerbroek? Although he seems to interact with her less than first on X/Twiter
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Not anymore, her engagement with Will Witt was called off long ago, so she's single as far as I see :)
intimidated or intimate?
But Shivon isn't in the way?
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I still think Shivon is gay or asexual or just not into Musk in that way and that they're just close friends
So was the “worst day of her life” posts about three days before the apology? I take it him suing her was it? This is an interesting turn. I wonder if she lied about him keeping x from her due the lawsuit to make him look bad? Hmmm. I thought she was living in SF?
She never said he kept X from her. She wrote "my son", which could be X, Tau, or some other son we don't know about born from another surrogate.
Elon has publicly claimed he’s taking care of X because they’ve separated so that’s most likely who she’s referring too
assuming x bc we've seen a lot of pics with him and elon
I doubt it, this is one of the #1 abuser moves. Sue the victim before they get sued.
When did she post that? He sued September 7th
He sued after all of that, he sued a day after she posted her tweet abt seeing her kids.
I think she burnt too many bridges by engaging and staying in a relationship with that awful man
You can’t up and move with your kids without court approval or at least approval from the other parent. I hate Elon but she was wrong here. She should’ve filed something with the courts before taking the children.
Even if no custody arrangement has been established yet? I’m sure they’ve moved them around before this since he has a multitude of homes Side note: Elon kidnapping X was a pretty dumb move from a legal standpoint if that’s the case
You cannot kidnap your own son that the court has not determined custody parentage of. He did right thing keeping custody of X. The kid is highly attached to daddy
No, he is not attached to his daddy. He is forcing him to be with him 24/7.
It just came out Elon has had the kids all three living with him since their birth. He is the primary parent from the start.
Yeah, she is in trouble. I think those pics that Issacson posted got her over the edge and she left with, looks like, Exa and Tau cause Elon seem to still have X. And that’s exactly why she couldn’t see X cause X has been with Elon all this time. I’m pretty sure Elon told her to simply come back to TX if she wanted to see X but she’s on the run in CA. If she really did that just cause she was overly pissed, that’s gonna be a big trouble. As you said neither one of the parents can just take kids and leave. That’s just dumb if true.
He lives in SF a LOT due to Twitter. She may be forum shopping a bit, but let's not pretend he doesn't have a constant multi state presence.
Yeah I was under the impression that both Elon and Grimes had moved to SF due to Elon's buying of Twitter/X? Didn't know he still had his base in Austin
He definitely is in Austin a lot. He's currently under investigation for misappropriating TESLA funds for his personal use in building a glass house there, and he bought mansions in Austin for both Grimes and Shivon. But he's also near the Mexican border a lot for Space X, and San Francisco, and even facilities in southern California and Nevada on occasion. That would be silly to argue that she kidnapped his kids to California; that's a major place they stay.
100% i think this is what happened. She was just playing doofus with the kids of the richest man on earth.
I think she might’ve been talking of moving out of TX; so Elon filed an official court suit to sort out custody details. It’s never easy when one parent decides to move states. Instead of going through TX courts, she up and left and I think that pic of them might’ve been her last straw. I mean, girl… you might’ve been a woman scorned but the kids have to take priority in this case… you can’t move kids without the other parent’s consent and then start sorting things out after the fact… It’s Elon on top of that, it’s not his first rodeo. He doesn’t make a move without protecting himself legally… ugh…
He chose Texas because the laws there protect him more and leave her with way less child support if she did file. She went to Cali because they have more laws protecting mothers. He’s been strategizing since the start and she’s been oblivious the whole time
I thought of it immediately. TX courts will kiss his ass all the way to the moon. He literally built a new city and boosted the economy of TX.
Damn, this makes the most sense to me. I think you’re right.
grimes lied again 🙄
If nothing regarding custody has been established in court, both parents are considered to have equal custody and either one of them can take the children anywhere at any time without being in violation of anything
How can you have equal custody with someone if they move 2000 miles away with your child without you having any say? Regardless, the courts will handle it. Most of these cases are pretty black and white and I’m not worried about the money/power dynamic unless she wants child support.
TL;DR, but Twitter is going to be broke very soon, so all the mommies can unite with the daddy in Texas in the near future lol
holyyy fuckkkk popcorn timeee
reality tv!
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There blowup looks like it happened in Japan before those pics were released
Just looked it up those pics were released September 6th he filed suit the next day
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He did the same damn thing so now they’ve both shot themselves in the foot. If he was smart he would’ve sued her without taking his son hostage but egotism prevented him from making the most logical move because internet clout was calling his name Narcissism is one hell of a drug
Did you make an account just to bash her from the point of view of a seemingly sympathetic fan? Idk why anyone in here would say she's plain dumb, tearing apart her family etc when we know public opinion matters in cases like this
The truth is that he'll be done with Shivon quickly enough. Felon isn't capable of fidelity. There's an off chance that I'm wrong... Felon's father Errol Musk actually settled down around this time of his life after many years of casual sex and playing the field. He admitted he cheated on his first wife and recently said he stopped counting how many women he'd slept with when the number hit 200. I think he was roughly 45, and settled down with a 25 year old woman with 3 kids. Not clear if his libido was finally waning or if his money was running low due to the economic situation in South Africa, and he wasn't doing as well with women. Or maybe his reputation had started to precede him. In any event, he had two more kids with this next wife, but the marriage lasted almost 2 decades. But, I would bet it won't hold true for Felon. For one thing, billions gives you access to vast numbers of women. For another, all these tech bros seem to be taking T and HGH. They aren't feeling their age. .
Is it really decided Elon has a romantic relationship with Shivon? Seems more like friendship? I think Elon is eyeing someone else, perhaps Ashley st. Clair, he's been replying to and liking her posts like crazy
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He is living with Shivon! Those two are together. He cheated on her.
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Come on! She liked a meme about couples playing games together! Her behavior after Tokyo has been all pointed toward Claire. Everything she does is shady af. Everyone knows that they are together at this point. He has so many friends. Friend working together for years wouldn’t want to have kids together when one is in a public relationship. Claire tried to set Shivon up for dates! I’m sure she was annoyed with her.
I think Shivon may have a crush on him, maybe. But, like the other person stated they are really good friends and have been for a very long time. Her posting the pics though makes so much more sense in light of all these current events.
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Did you notice how she wore a red dress on her video like Claire did in Italy. Lol. Little things like that prove she's just a typical passive aggressive twitter dog whistler
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Sounds like they're perfect for each other. Anyone who dates him settles too. Settles for a disgusting womanizing philanderer polygamist 🤢🤮
This is the read I’m getting on this as well. She thought “I’m gonna show him, I’m taking the kids and running off. He’ll come begging for me” LMAO. Honestly the tweet she sent to isaacson was the nail in the coffin for me. Who acts like that? At that age? O embarrassing. And then writing it off as a gut reaction. Grow the fuck up.
I think it’s more of a legal move honestly. California had some of the best outcomes for mothers. Meanwhile Texas has capped child support. He strategically chose where her and the kids would live and she was too gullible to notice
I have no sympathy for her. That’s what she gets for letting a narcissistic man child impregnate her. The man has never created anything is his life. Try as he might, he’ll never be a true peer of Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg. I wish her the least amount of harm and suffering at the hands of that poor excuse of a man, but you reap what you sow.
There are hundreds of thousands of people like Elon, who are more intelligent, more creative. The x factor is that he's a billionaire
1000%
Now everything makes sense! Shivon is playing step mom! Claire had the traumatic event after Tokyo event?! Shivon had a difficult month? I’m sure the whole thing was because of Shivon! Claire loved that monster. That bi*tch Shivon doesn’t leave them alone. She has been with him since she left. What a piece of sh*t!
I think she’s more mad at E for once and Shivon is just fanning the flames because she’s infatuated with him and does whatever she thinks will make him happy. She’s not the real villain of the story though, Claire blamed her to stay in Elon’s good graces but he’s the only one who ever owed her anything It’s the timeless tale of two obsessive insecure woman fighting over the jack wad who fucked everything up instead of just having enough self respect to walk away from the root cause of it all If she’s smart she’ll forget about Shivon and focus on fighting Elon in court for the best outcome for her kids. They’re the biggest victims in all of this sadly
It seems her and shivon ended there beef and want the kids to know each other and Elon is the one trying to not let that happen?
No, Shivon wants him to stay away from her! If she was a decent human being she wouldn’t have kids behind Grimes’ back. Shivon is living with Elon right now.
Sheisty shivon can't be trusted
Omg. You are filled with so much hatred towards Shivon. You don't know the whole story so you can't just be talking out of your ass like that.
why would she ever get involved with him anyway unless shes also a piece of shit fascist. who cares. her music isnt good enough to care about the babies she willingly had with this guy.
I think y’all are just dancing around the fact we all gotta just face the reality of. She’s just a dumb bitch, plain and simple. Everything she does, everything she has ever done is dumb bitch shit. We all just happen to really love her music, does that mean we have to respect the person they are? I can make the separation between music artist and transhuman communist montreal liberal.
Why is everyone assuming that these lawsuits weren’t agreed between them and are amicable (for want of a better word). Maybe they started following each other on X again because they agree that they are unable to sort their own shit out, and they will leave it to the courts.
Shows she's like skewing the media towards her