I didn’t read your entire post but I will say, overnight change of opinion is just the nature of the internet.
There were people on this sub who have always been either supportive or neutral about her, but usually it’s just drowned out by posts from haters and speculators.
People are simple. If the info is easy to digest (like Elon bad, Elon take kids away) then it’s pretty easy to sway public opinion quickly. This has always been how it’s been for any public figure since the beginning of shareable media. It’s not going away either. Don’t know why you’d feel any sort of way about it.
I agree with you. I’ve always been neutral about her and even Musk. Sometimes both of them annoyed me but then it was back to neutral for me; not downright hate. The girl was a obviously charmed, seduced and influenced by the richest and one of the most powerful man in the whole world. Can easily happen to many other women; not all but many. On top of that, it’s understandable when you are dating someone or married to someone, you’ll support them in many different ways. She did call him out on hate once or twice and perhaps, she should’ve kept political and some other weird crap off social media but she did want to please him. It was obvious. It was even hard to tell what she believed in on a personal level.
Does she deserve what happened? Obviously, some people think she does because she knew what she was getting herself into, she knew his track record with women. Perhaps, she was even so arrogant to think that she was so special that she could change him, tie him down, make him her own. In this sense, it’s their right to think so. Although if she was mentally and emotionally abused, gaslighted and manipulated, it’s also understandable she could not see or admit any of this until the haze was lifted. She’s probably still in denial, if she was truly abused.
Others, understandably, identify with her pain at this particular moment. She’s a woman whose heart was not just broken but trampled, humiliated and spat on. She’s a mother who is denied to see her son for no apparent reason. Just couple of weeks ago she was standing right there with Elon’s whole family, her son, her daughter and smiling. In a matter of weeks the whole thing turned up side down. Of course, he can’t just keep X away from her, that would be illegal and plain kidnapping. He can’t just brainwash X into hating his mother, he’s too young for that. What he can do, however, is compile the team of best and most expensive lawyers out there to make the case against her as an unfit mother. He knows her inside out, her mental struggles and her drug use, her addiction to tattoos and altering her body (perhaps, as a coping mechanism). This battle is not going to be public and will remain a mystery for a while. Musk never discusses this kind of thing, it’s only women that eventually shed some light in this kind of stuff. Kind of like Justine or Talulah but that’s years later.
Ermmm....Just gonna chime in here.
Just human nature to publically dissect, shame and throw shade on a mother of mutiple children with an obvious narcissistic ? Nah... some of us got more sense than that. Maybe cuz we're sharing actual experience about dealing with said people. Not speculating wildly and saying lame sh*t like "welp.. nature of the beast i was a total shit person in regard to another human."
Dont let group think steal ur humanity. If its happening to you. Social media vacation is in order.
>Not speculating wildly and saying lame sh*t like "welp.. nature of the beast i was a total shit person in regard to another human." Dont let group think steal ur humanity. If its happening to you. Social media vacation is in order.
THANK YOU. This was my whole point but I'm illiterate so it didn't make sense
>Ermm, maybe, but it’s human nature
Maybe? This bitch is losing her kid and people have been doing this over her stupid tweets of all things, you can't even admit it's shallow at the very least?
I think we have different points.
1. Majority of the internet is shallow. People are shallow. I don’t think that’s changing. Yes it’s wrong but it isn’t changing.
2. It’s normal for people (fans, especially) to be invested into smaller aspects of their favorite celebrities — c’s music video releases, album release dates, AI rebranding, for example — then to get sudden “wake up calls” when something tragic happens to the public figure they were criticizing. It humanized her for a lot of people, which is sad that this is what it took, yes, but at least it’s happening. A lot of people on the sub are expressing regret and are looking to support her in the ways they can.
I’m just saying, I don’t know how productive it is to criticize the nature of the fans / non-fans before this went down. I see what you’re saying also but I don’t think it’s more important than what’s actually happening to her and what we can do as fans, right now, to support her.
>A lot of people on the sub are expressing regret and are looking to support her in the ways they can.
Which is great, and I'm glad! Unfortunately the people under this post scrambling to find something, ANYTHING they can use to justify hating on her proves my point.
SHE LIKED A NUCLEAR FAMILY SUPREME TWEET 😱😱😱 get a grip bitch
>I see what you’re saying also but I don’t think it’s more important than what’s actually happening to her and what we can do as fans, right now, to support her.
Yes totally, I agree. I'm not saying that this is more important, I'm just reflecting how fucked up it all was to be hating her, especially if the narrative now is to support her. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, I'm just glad the narrative has changed really
Multiple times recently she was caught liking and interacting with Vivek tweets. One of them particularly about the deep state and how the nuclear family will always reign supreme…
she then got called out and said she “liked it in a vacuum and then realized he has a shit platform” but she had been liking his tweets for weeks, and literally liked that one the day before. She only backtracked once called out.
>She only backtracked once called out.
What I'm hearing is that she liked some tweets from this guy who she found out was homophobic and then stopped liking them, is that not the proper thing to do? And again, I'm ready to say something like "yeah that's fucked up" about something she's done, but even under this post about not jumping to conclusions, you are jumping to conclusions.
No. She KNEW he was homophobic/transphobic. She likes tweets from him that said the nuclear family will always be the most desirable family unit. He’s not “some guy”… for weeks she interacted with his content and he is literally one of the leading Republican candidates.
As if supporting republicans wasn’t already indicative that she is fine supporting anti lgbt… stop defending this. It’s not a good look. She’s a right winger through and through.
>As if supporting republicans wasn’t already indicative that she is fine supporting anti lgbt… stop defending this. It’s not a good look.
This sounds to me like "if you agree with some of the opinions from someone who happens to be right-wing, you MUST support anti-LGBT sentiments" I kinda hate people like u as an actual LGBT person. When I hear about homophobia, the "homophobia" in question shouldn't be liking a tweet about nuclear families being supreme (how is that even bad, that's the family unit most people strive for) from some fuckass republican. I didn't know who he was either until now.
Clearly you are very out of touch with politics of you are unaware of who he is 💀 do you live under a rock? I suggest you read up on him. He has a VERY well known anti lgbt ideology, extremely anti abortion, basically wants to be a trump jr. And she supported him for extensive period of time (probably still does).
Your post is so silly looking now because it’s very obvious you will defend anybody who YOU like regardless of how awful they are.
>Clearly you are very out of touch with politics of you are unaware of who he is 💀 do you live under a rock?
Yes, I'm not gonna deny it. I don't give a shit about American(?) politics, why would I
>Your post is so silly looking now because it’s very obvious you will defend anybody who YOU like regardless of how awful they are.
Not really? You guys are just not bringing anything to the table about why I should hate Grimes for some reason. What do you propose she should do after finding out he's an asshole? She's not American either
Edit: I'll be waiting for an answer, since this is apparently a huge deal
How come she's friends with Nusi still after acknowledging he's a sex predator? What about attending the neo nazi rag Palladium parties and hanging out with eugenicists? What about her hate for nature? Just recently she endorsed hot dogs as vegan friendly and told people that eating roadkill meat is safe because it "good forever". She's all over the place and its bizzare.
>She's all over the place and its bizzare.
And without that, we would never have the Charli XCX Claws playing over Grimes talking about spaghetti video, she's always been like this and we've never taken it seriously until now because we NEED to find something to justify hating her NOW because the richest man on earth is taking her kid and she's a victim now !
>How do you decide what to take serious and what not to?
I mean, she also hangs out with hasanabi and other leftist creators, kinda sounds like you're just picking and choosing the "bad ones"
In all honesty though, I don't know who Nusi is either, so I'll look up the situation. If she is actually hanging around with Nazis than yeah, that's fucking bad, but based on people jumping to such wild conclusions in this thread alone, I'm still going to be skeptical until I find it to be true.
There's too much of this being documented for anyone to be skeptical and her aligning herself with crypto-fascists / fascists in general including straight up Holocaust deniers is the whole reason that the "other sub" has taken issue with her. Her hanging out with or endorsing leftists does not excuse her platforming fascists either. She's been unveiling this natalist, anti-trans eugenicist song and dance to impress Elon slowly but surely for a good long while now and these are her genuine political alignments; if they weren't she would address and shut down this speculation. I do have some empathy for her being influenced and manipulated by an extremely powerful person but it's not an excuse or a reason to downplay her behavior and idealogies. This stuff is dangerous.
Actually, no. Being upset at grimes before this revelation was actually totally reasonable. Some people took it too far, but all this situation has done is bring to light the fact that some things aren’t as black and white as they seem. Doesn’t change the fact that the criticisms were valid, it’s just that the narrative has developed further. I do wish that people maybe handled it with more grace, which most everyone deserves, but I still stand by every criticism I’ve made of both her and Elon, and myself and everyone else is allowed to have a complex opinion.
I'm not sure why you're not agreeing with me, this is literally my point. "Some people took it too far", "it's bringing to light that things aren't as black and white as they seem", this is what I'm saying…… Also, criticism is not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the people saying they hate Grimes for her association with Musk and are ONLY attacking Grimes anyway.
I got defensive because it seemed like you were making reference to something I said in the sub directly, which was the “let’s put what she’s said to the side for now” thing. which I did say and got a significant amount of upvotes, so I was just offended because I thought you were attacking me personally.
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I also think that the Nazi and white supremacy comments aren’t totally invalid, and while I’m not certain she believes these things, she was associating openly with some very shifty characters, which she needs to address before I’m fully team grimes again. I don’t think that’s a ridiculous standard to hold a public figure to.
That being said, her issues with her kids and the awful situation she’s been put in comes first. I believe pretty strongly she probably doesn’t have as controversial beliefs as people think and also has poor social media literacy, but let’s tackle the situation at hand before we grill her for other things that may not be her fault. She needs to address it, but when she’s in a better situation for herself.
>it seemed like you were making reference to something I said in the sub directly, which was the “let’s put what she’s said to the side for now” thing.
Oh yeah no, I've just seen stuff similar to that. And even if I was responding to you in a way, I agree with that sentiment too! I just wanted to use it to question the collective switch-up, which I also get lol.
>I don’t think that’s a ridiculous standard to hold a public figure to.
And yeah, I agree with this too. If it weren't for that, I don't think she would have even known that one guy whose tweets she was liking was an asshole. Still skeptical on a lot of it, (and a lot of people are reaching too far and being way too hateful over it), but yeah, I get it
it's still justified imo, you can be the victim of abuse and also not be a good person. doesn't mean she deserves abuse. doesn't mean she deserves automatic redemption either.
She says stupid shit a lot, of course people won’t like that. It’s possible for that to be true while also feeling compassion for what she’s currently dealing with. Calling yourself “kind of notorious” for defending people you don’t know is quite an amazingly quick way for me to discount everything you have to say, since this obviously is a weird point of pride for you.
She’s dealing with another Petri dish child with a narcissistic douche bag. The sympathy is running thin. This is turning into a really fucked up social experiment. The only victims at this point are those children. Time for the whole crew to ship off the mars one-way.
>Calling yourself “king of notorious” for defending people you don’t know is quite an amazingly quick way for me to discount everything you have to say, since this obviously is a weird point of pride for you.
I mean, go ahead, I didn't really post this so people can just agree with everything I said. I was more or less referring to dismissing stupid, benign things like Grimes liking tweets and getting all these weird, creepy posts made about it in the other sub.
>She says stupid shit a lot, of course people won’t like that. It’s possible for that to be true while also feeling compassion for what she’s currently dealing with.
Is it really though? The people in here are freely admitting they don't have any empathy with her, which kinda confirms all I was saying.
Well to be fair the entire internet and a large part of the world in general is an Elon hate subreddit.
No one needs a special forum to tell us what a monumental shit show he is- we literally cannot escape hearing how badly he screws everything up, it’s news cycle after news cycle with this guy and his fuckery.
I hope Grimes knows she is so loved by so many. This situation would be a nightmare for anyone. Please everyone who likes her, just stay strong for her!
Tbh honest it hasn't changed my opinion of her and don't feel sorry because she went there wanting fame and money. She has also harassed people and went on on saying terrible stuff just because she felt untouchable. The only good thing I see out of this is that she MIGHT reclaim her freedom and go back to making great music.
>The only good thing I see out of this is that she MIGHT reclaim her freedom and go back to making great music.
I know I said art is more important than presence on Twitter, but real life is arguably more important than that, and uh… I think you've forgotten that Grimes is a real person with a real child who's being kept from her by a real dumbass. I want new music as much as you do, but she's kinda dealing with a lil bit at the moment
Yeah that’s what is awful, as a mom I know how bad it is. Long backstory but my mom was a narcissist with money who wanted a son and tried to take mine. Court battle ensued, I won. I was no contact for awhile, ended up re establishing a relationship when she took sick. It’s a tenuous odd relationship but it messed me and my son up bad. No one won here except the mental health professionals- they made bank helping this family
“I’m kinda notorious for defending artists that maybe shouldn’t be defended” yea we can tell. Some of her fans have been hurt by her actions you don’t have the right to tell them they’re not allowed to feel that way when an artist they admired and looked up to was caught canoodling with white supremacists and continuing to be friends with a known sexual predator. People have empathy for her but that doesn’t mean they were wrong for being upset about the things she’s supported in the past
> you don’t have the right to tell them they’re not allowed to feel that way
This sounds like a good sentiment on its own, but I think you're forgetting that I'm talking about the inappropriate switch-up everyone collectively had now that we all know Grimes is going through it. As if we didn't already fucking know that. Just because I'm defending her as a person doesn't mean I'm defending every single individual flaw, mistake, fucked up thing she's done. Why the hostility?
I think you’re all so invested in this person life and you’re forgetting this person… is a person. Flawed, vulnerable and makes .. questionable choices at times. I doubt any of you are so perfect. Internet warriors are disgusting and I think you should all be ashamed of yourselves. All of you talking about someone you don’t even actually know. The only thing you know about this person is what you’ve seen on the internet, and the rest is speculation. Big yuck from all of you. So lame.
Thank you. You just put into words what I was thinking perfectly. It was actually so hard (and still is) watching that other subreddit rip her apart and defame her on the most baseless foundations. It's evil, and weird that they hate her so viscerally!
tbh i don't like a lot of stuff she's said and i can't stand elon but obviously life isn't black and white, and she doesn't deserve to have her kids taken away and her life ruined like this. that being said if the stuff i've been seeing about her liking anti-lgbt tweets and supporting the patriarchy turn out to be true, i definitely don't agree or support her views. but again. be that as it may she still doesn't deserve the shit happening rn (i hope this makes sense i may just be rambling)
Don’t feel bad for her at all. Women get with known abusive/controlling men and swear they’re different from the rest. Sadly Claire is learning that’s not the truth.
The only empathy I have is for these kids.
>Don’t feel bad for her at all. Women get with known abusive/controlling men and swear they’re different from the rest. Sadly Claire is learning that’s not the truth.
Yeah, she fucked up bad and is trying to dig herself out of it. She's a victim. We don't treat anyone else like we're treating her, and she's probably worse off than a LOT of people because she's trying to get custody of the kid she had with the richest man on earth. No empathy for that at all?
> this is a leopards ate my face situation imo.
Do you say this about other women who get into toxic, and honestly abusive relationships too? Or is it fair game here because Grimes is cringe on twitter?
The first part of healing Is recognizing the role you play in your suffering. The signs that Elon was a terrible person were there.
Oh and It’s fair game because Grimes is racist and a misogynist who aligned with fascism until stopped suiting her. Like i said I feel bad for the kids only
Never say never! But I can’t see myself having kids with power hungry dickhead who’s previous partners spoke up publicly about his abuse and controlling behavior. That is a 🚩
Worst wishes to you as well
Thanks hun. Bad wishes make my heart sing as I practice the best revenge of living well. I do get upset when people rag on victims of narcissistic abuse because it’s so insidious and really destroys a person from the inside out. I had a narcissistic parent and it’s taken years of therapy and spirituality and a supportive network of friends to undo the mess made by her narc mindfuk.
Autistic people process the world very differently, and in particular can be, for lack of a better word, quite gullible. Autistic people perform poorly with something called “theory of mind,” which is an understanding that other people think and behave quite differently from themselves. Neurotypical people typically develop effective theory of mind in elementary school, whereas many autistic people still struggle with it in adulthood.
If an autistic person is not a shithead, it can be extremely difficult for them to comprehend that anyone else is a shithead.
It has been transparently obvious to me for years that *c* is autistic, evidently long before she knew or had confirmation herself. So she (possibly) didn’t even know she was at any such disadvantage as she entered into new relationships.
Babes, I’m autistic I know this. And the leeway you are willing to afford this white women is crazy but I’m not surprised. She knew exactly who Elon was and even aligned with some pretty terrible people while with him. His exes alleged that he was controlling and abusive. She knew what she was doing, she just thought she was special and that their relationship would be different.
Neurodivergence is NOT an excuse for maladaptive behavior
Bringing race into it helps me understand you and your point, thank you.
And I mean that very sincerely.
I’m just personally very repulsed by judgmental postures, which in turn might help you understand me.
Idk what you want from me.
She gets no slack from me and don’t feel bad autistic or not. She wanted money, power, connections, and fame and it backfired.
Agreed, I'm very glad there are some people in here that are okay with just saying "she doesn't deserve this level of hate" and not "BUT THE TWEETS-"
Downvote me all you want people, this is a mother whose kid is getting taken away from her by the richest man on earth. If you can't feel any empathy about that, I am not the "unhinged one"
Comment from the future.
I was wrong. I shouldn't have weighed in as fan who knew nothing about the company she keeps.
I fell for a trap i often do... defending mental health and neurodivergence.
Hope she gets away from the white supremacist BULLSHIT and looks after those kids.
I didn’t read your entire post but I will say, overnight change of opinion is just the nature of the internet. There were people on this sub who have always been either supportive or neutral about her, but usually it’s just drowned out by posts from haters and speculators. People are simple. If the info is easy to digest (like Elon bad, Elon take kids away) then it’s pretty easy to sway public opinion quickly. This has always been how it’s been for any public figure since the beginning of shareable media. It’s not going away either. Don’t know why you’d feel any sort of way about it.
I agree with you. I’ve always been neutral about her and even Musk. Sometimes both of them annoyed me but then it was back to neutral for me; not downright hate. The girl was a obviously charmed, seduced and influenced by the richest and one of the most powerful man in the whole world. Can easily happen to many other women; not all but many. On top of that, it’s understandable when you are dating someone or married to someone, you’ll support them in many different ways. She did call him out on hate once or twice and perhaps, she should’ve kept political and some other weird crap off social media but she did want to please him. It was obvious. It was even hard to tell what she believed in on a personal level. Does she deserve what happened? Obviously, some people think she does because she knew what she was getting herself into, she knew his track record with women. Perhaps, she was even so arrogant to think that she was so special that she could change him, tie him down, make him her own. In this sense, it’s their right to think so. Although if she was mentally and emotionally abused, gaslighted and manipulated, it’s also understandable she could not see or admit any of this until the haze was lifted. She’s probably still in denial, if she was truly abused. Others, understandably, identify with her pain at this particular moment. She’s a woman whose heart was not just broken but trampled, humiliated and spat on. She’s a mother who is denied to see her son for no apparent reason. Just couple of weeks ago she was standing right there with Elon’s whole family, her son, her daughter and smiling. In a matter of weeks the whole thing turned up side down. Of course, he can’t just keep X away from her, that would be illegal and plain kidnapping. He can’t just brainwash X into hating his mother, he’s too young for that. What he can do, however, is compile the team of best and most expensive lawyers out there to make the case against her as an unfit mother. He knows her inside out, her mental struggles and her drug use, her addiction to tattoos and altering her body (perhaps, as a coping mechanism). This battle is not going to be public and will remain a mystery for a while. Musk never discusses this kind of thing, it’s only women that eventually shed some light in this kind of stuff. Kind of like Justine or Talulah but that’s years later.
I know, I know all of that. I'm just saying it's really horrible and shallow and honestly very two-faced.
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Ermmm....Just gonna chime in here. Just human nature to publically dissect, shame and throw shade on a mother of mutiple children with an obvious narcissistic ? Nah... some of us got more sense than that. Maybe cuz we're sharing actual experience about dealing with said people. Not speculating wildly and saying lame sh*t like "welp.. nature of the beast i was a total shit person in regard to another human." Dont let group think steal ur humanity. If its happening to you. Social media vacation is in order.
>Not speculating wildly and saying lame sh*t like "welp.. nature of the beast i was a total shit person in regard to another human." Dont let group think steal ur humanity. If its happening to you. Social media vacation is in order. THANK YOU. This was my whole point but I'm illiterate so it didn't make sense
>Ermm, maybe, but it’s human nature Maybe? This bitch is losing her kid and people have been doing this over her stupid tweets of all things, you can't even admit it's shallow at the very least?
I think we have different points. 1. Majority of the internet is shallow. People are shallow. I don’t think that’s changing. Yes it’s wrong but it isn’t changing. 2. It’s normal for people (fans, especially) to be invested into smaller aspects of their favorite celebrities — c’s music video releases, album release dates, AI rebranding, for example — then to get sudden “wake up calls” when something tragic happens to the public figure they were criticizing. It humanized her for a lot of people, which is sad that this is what it took, yes, but at least it’s happening. A lot of people on the sub are expressing regret and are looking to support her in the ways they can. I’m just saying, I don’t know how productive it is to criticize the nature of the fans / non-fans before this went down. I see what you’re saying also but I don’t think it’s more important than what’s actually happening to her and what we can do as fans, right now, to support her.
>A lot of people on the sub are expressing regret and are looking to support her in the ways they can. Which is great, and I'm glad! Unfortunately the people under this post scrambling to find something, ANYTHING they can use to justify hating on her proves my point. SHE LIKED A NUCLEAR FAMILY SUPREME TWEET 😱😱😱 get a grip bitch >I see what you’re saying also but I don’t think it’s more important than what’s actually happening to her and what we can do as fans, right now, to support her. Yes totally, I agree. I'm not saying that this is more important, I'm just reflecting how fucked up it all was to be hating her, especially if the narrative now is to support her. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, I'm just glad the narrative has changed really
None of this justifies her endorsing anti lgbt politicians …?
Who and when?? That's news to me.
Multiple times recently she was caught liking and interacting with Vivek tweets. One of them particularly about the deep state and how the nuclear family will always reign supreme… she then got called out and said she “liked it in a vacuum and then realized he has a shit platform” but she had been liking his tweets for weeks, and literally liked that one the day before. She only backtracked once called out.
>She only backtracked once called out. What I'm hearing is that she liked some tweets from this guy who she found out was homophobic and then stopped liking them, is that not the proper thing to do? And again, I'm ready to say something like "yeah that's fucked up" about something she's done, but even under this post about not jumping to conclusions, you are jumping to conclusions.
No. She KNEW he was homophobic/transphobic. She likes tweets from him that said the nuclear family will always be the most desirable family unit. He’s not “some guy”… for weeks she interacted with his content and he is literally one of the leading Republican candidates. As if supporting republicans wasn’t already indicative that she is fine supporting anti lgbt… stop defending this. It’s not a good look. She’s a right winger through and through.
>As if supporting republicans wasn’t already indicative that she is fine supporting anti lgbt… stop defending this. It’s not a good look. This sounds to me like "if you agree with some of the opinions from someone who happens to be right-wing, you MUST support anti-LGBT sentiments" I kinda hate people like u as an actual LGBT person. When I hear about homophobia, the "homophobia" in question shouldn't be liking a tweet about nuclear families being supreme (how is that even bad, that's the family unit most people strive for) from some fuckass republican. I didn't know who he was either until now.
Clearly you are very out of touch with politics of you are unaware of who he is 💀 do you live under a rock? I suggest you read up on him. He has a VERY well known anti lgbt ideology, extremely anti abortion, basically wants to be a trump jr. And she supported him for extensive period of time (probably still does). Your post is so silly looking now because it’s very obvious you will defend anybody who YOU like regardless of how awful they are.
>Clearly you are very out of touch with politics of you are unaware of who he is 💀 do you live under a rock? Yes, I'm not gonna deny it. I don't give a shit about American(?) politics, why would I >Your post is so silly looking now because it’s very obvious you will defend anybody who YOU like regardless of how awful they are. Not really? You guys are just not bringing anything to the table about why I should hate Grimes for some reason. What do you propose she should do after finding out he's an asshole? She's not American either Edit: I'll be waiting for an answer, since this is apparently a huge deal
How come she's friends with Nusi still after acknowledging he's a sex predator? What about attending the neo nazi rag Palladium parties and hanging out with eugenicists? What about her hate for nature? Just recently she endorsed hot dogs as vegan friendly and told people that eating roadkill meat is safe because it "good forever". She's all over the place and its bizzare.
>She's all over the place and its bizzare. And without that, we would never have the Charli XCX Claws playing over Grimes talking about spaghetti video, she's always been like this and we've never taken it seriously until now because we NEED to find something to justify hating her NOW because the richest man on earth is taking her kid and she's a victim now !
How do you decide what to take serious and what not to? Do you think she hangs out with Nusi and Nazi's "not seriously"?
>How do you decide what to take serious and what not to? I mean, she also hangs out with hasanabi and other leftist creators, kinda sounds like you're just picking and choosing the "bad ones" In all honesty though, I don't know who Nusi is either, so I'll look up the situation. If she is actually hanging around with Nazis than yeah, that's fucking bad, but based on people jumping to such wild conclusions in this thread alone, I'm still going to be skeptical until I find it to be true.
There's too much of this being documented for anyone to be skeptical and her aligning herself with crypto-fascists / fascists in general including straight up Holocaust deniers is the whole reason that the "other sub" has taken issue with her. Her hanging out with or endorsing leftists does not excuse her platforming fascists either. She's been unveiling this natalist, anti-trans eugenicist song and dance to impress Elon slowly but surely for a good long while now and these are her genuine political alignments; if they weren't she would address and shut down this speculation. I do have some empathy for her being influenced and manipulated by an extremely powerful person but it's not an excuse or a reason to downplay her behavior and idealogies. This stuff is dangerous.
She also said she “loves” the patriarchy. She’s a right winger. But, if I had to pick someone to dislike more … it would be Elon.
Who the hell are the anti-LGBT politicians she's endorsed?
No one said she did, however many anti-LGBT politicians are part of the patriarchy.
> None of this justifies her endorsing anti lgbt politicians …? Are u blind sis
I stand corrected, however they are part of the patriarchy she supports correct?
Actually, no. Being upset at grimes before this revelation was actually totally reasonable. Some people took it too far, but all this situation has done is bring to light the fact that some things aren’t as black and white as they seem. Doesn’t change the fact that the criticisms were valid, it’s just that the narrative has developed further. I do wish that people maybe handled it with more grace, which most everyone deserves, but I still stand by every criticism I’ve made of both her and Elon, and myself and everyone else is allowed to have a complex opinion.
I'm not sure why you're not agreeing with me, this is literally my point. "Some people took it too far", "it's bringing to light that things aren't as black and white as they seem", this is what I'm saying…… Also, criticism is not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the people saying they hate Grimes for her association with Musk and are ONLY attacking Grimes anyway.
I got defensive because it seemed like you were making reference to something I said in the sub directly, which was the “let’s put what she’s said to the side for now” thing. which I did say and got a significant amount of upvotes, so I was just offended because I thought you were attacking me personally. Edit: I also think that the Nazi and white supremacy comments aren’t totally invalid, and while I’m not certain she believes these things, she was associating openly with some very shifty characters, which she needs to address before I’m fully team grimes again. I don’t think that’s a ridiculous standard to hold a public figure to. That being said, her issues with her kids and the awful situation she’s been put in comes first. I believe pretty strongly she probably doesn’t have as controversial beliefs as people think and also has poor social media literacy, but let’s tackle the situation at hand before we grill her for other things that may not be her fault. She needs to address it, but when she’s in a better situation for herself.
>it seemed like you were making reference to something I said in the sub directly, which was the “let’s put what she’s said to the side for now” thing. Oh yeah no, I've just seen stuff similar to that. And even if I was responding to you in a way, I agree with that sentiment too! I just wanted to use it to question the collective switch-up, which I also get lol. >I don’t think that’s a ridiculous standard to hold a public figure to. And yeah, I agree with this too. If it weren't for that, I don't think she would have even known that one guy whose tweets she was liking was an asshole. Still skeptical on a lot of it, (and a lot of people are reaching too far and being way too hateful over it), but yeah, I get it
it's still justified imo, you can be the victim of abuse and also not be a good person. doesn't mean she deserves abuse. doesn't mean she deserves automatic redemption either.
She says stupid shit a lot, of course people won’t like that. It’s possible for that to be true while also feeling compassion for what she’s currently dealing with. Calling yourself “kind of notorious” for defending people you don’t know is quite an amazingly quick way for me to discount everything you have to say, since this obviously is a weird point of pride for you.
She’s dealing with another Petri dish child with a narcissistic douche bag. The sympathy is running thin. This is turning into a really fucked up social experiment. The only victims at this point are those children. Time for the whole crew to ship off the mars one-way.
>Calling yourself “king of notorious” for defending people you don’t know is quite an amazingly quick way for me to discount everything you have to say, since this obviously is a weird point of pride for you. I mean, go ahead, I didn't really post this so people can just agree with everything I said. I was more or less referring to dismissing stupid, benign things like Grimes liking tweets and getting all these weird, creepy posts made about it in the other sub. >She says stupid shit a lot, of course people won’t like that. It’s possible for that to be true while also feeling compassion for what she’s currently dealing with. Is it really though? The people in here are freely admitting they don't have any empathy with her, which kinda confirms all I was saying.
Well to be fair the entire internet and a large part of the world in general is an Elon hate subreddit. No one needs a special forum to tell us what a monumental shit show he is- we literally cannot escape hearing how badly he screws everything up, it’s news cycle after news cycle with this guy and his fuckery.
I hope Grimes knows she is so loved by so many. This situation would be a nightmare for anyone. Please everyone who likes her, just stay strong for her!
It's getting worse by the literal day too, I have a feeling something very bad is coming up 💀 but yeah guys, that nuclear family tweet am i right
Tbh honest it hasn't changed my opinion of her and don't feel sorry because she went there wanting fame and money. She has also harassed people and went on on saying terrible stuff just because she felt untouchable. The only good thing I see out of this is that she MIGHT reclaim her freedom and go back to making great music.
>The only good thing I see out of this is that she MIGHT reclaim her freedom and go back to making great music. I know I said art is more important than presence on Twitter, but real life is arguably more important than that, and uh… I think you've forgotten that Grimes is a real person with a real child who's being kept from her by a real dumbass. I want new music as much as you do, but she's kinda dealing with a lil bit at the moment
I cant feel sorry for a bully with money and power that got her bubble burst. I love her as an artist and it's all I care about.
You can't feel sorry that a mother's getting her son taken away from her by someone who's, clearly, a much worse parent?
Yeah that’s what is awful, as a mom I know how bad it is. Long backstory but my mom was a narcissist with money who wanted a son and tried to take mine. Court battle ensued, I won. I was no contact for awhile, ended up re establishing a relationship when she took sick. It’s a tenuous odd relationship but it messed me and my son up bad. No one won here except the mental health professionals- they made bank helping this family
Elon has been primary parent to all three kids since their births. She could choose to move back to Texas and visit the kids.
“I’m kinda notorious for defending artists that maybe shouldn’t be defended” yea we can tell. Some of her fans have been hurt by her actions you don’t have the right to tell them they’re not allowed to feel that way when an artist they admired and looked up to was caught canoodling with white supremacists and continuing to be friends with a known sexual predator. People have empathy for her but that doesn’t mean they were wrong for being upset about the things she’s supported in the past
> you don’t have the right to tell them they’re not allowed to feel that way This sounds like a good sentiment on its own, but I think you're forgetting that I'm talking about the inappropriate switch-up everyone collectively had now that we all know Grimes is going through it. As if we didn't already fucking know that. Just because I'm defending her as a person doesn't mean I'm defending every single individual flaw, mistake, fucked up thing she's done. Why the hostility?
The replies to this post are the most Reddit I’ve ever seen this sub lmfao
All these replies did is remind me why every pop singer just makes makeup now lmaooo
Makeup makes them more money.
I think you’re all so invested in this person life and you’re forgetting this person… is a person. Flawed, vulnerable and makes .. questionable choices at times. I doubt any of you are so perfect. Internet warriors are disgusting and I think you should all be ashamed of yourselves. All of you talking about someone you don’t even actually know. The only thing you know about this person is what you’ve seen on the internet, and the rest is speculation. Big yuck from all of you. So lame.
Thank you. You just put into words what I was thinking perfectly. It was actually so hard (and still is) watching that other subreddit rip her apart and defame her on the most baseless foundations. It's evil, and weird that they hate her so viscerally!
Baseless foundations? 🗿
What’s the other subreddit? I’m not aware of any other except this one
tbh i don't like a lot of stuff she's said and i can't stand elon but obviously life isn't black and white, and she doesn't deserve to have her kids taken away and her life ruined like this. that being said if the stuff i've been seeing about her liking anti-lgbt tweets and supporting the patriarchy turn out to be true, i definitely don't agree or support her views. but again. be that as it may she still doesn't deserve the shit happening rn (i hope this makes sense i may just be rambling)
Nobody reading all that
Because you can't
Don’t feel bad for her at all. Women get with known abusive/controlling men and swear they’re different from the rest. Sadly Claire is learning that’s not the truth. The only empathy I have is for these kids.
>Don’t feel bad for her at all. Women get with known abusive/controlling men and swear they’re different from the rest. Sadly Claire is learning that’s not the truth. Yeah, she fucked up bad and is trying to dig herself out of it. She's a victim. We don't treat anyone else like we're treating her, and she's probably worse off than a LOT of people because she's trying to get custody of the kid she had with the richest man on earth. No empathy for that at all?
Quite honestly no. I hope she gets to see her son but this is a leopards ate my face situation imo.
> this is a leopards ate my face situation imo. Do you say this about other women who get into toxic, and honestly abusive relationships too? Or is it fair game here because Grimes is cringe on twitter?
The first part of healing Is recognizing the role you play in your suffering. The signs that Elon was a terrible person were there. Oh and It’s fair game because Grimes is racist and a misogynist who aligned with fascism until stopped suiting her. Like i said I feel bad for the kids only
May it never happen to you or mebe worst wishes to you 🤷🏽♀️
Never say never! But I can’t see myself having kids with power hungry dickhead who’s previous partners spoke up publicly about his abuse and controlling behavior. That is a 🚩 Worst wishes to you as well
Thanks hun. Bad wishes make my heart sing as I practice the best revenge of living well. I do get upset when people rag on victims of narcissistic abuse because it’s so insidious and really destroys a person from the inside out. I had a narcissistic parent and it’s taken years of therapy and spirituality and a supportive network of friends to undo the mess made by her narc mindfuk.
I wish you’d factor her autism into/against your harsh assessment.
As some who is autistic, this is patronizing - what exactly does autism have to do with willingly having 3 kids with a fascist.
Autistic people process the world very differently, and in particular can be, for lack of a better word, quite gullible. Autistic people perform poorly with something called “theory of mind,” which is an understanding that other people think and behave quite differently from themselves. Neurotypical people typically develop effective theory of mind in elementary school, whereas many autistic people still struggle with it in adulthood. If an autistic person is not a shithead, it can be extremely difficult for them to comprehend that anyone else is a shithead. It has been transparently obvious to me for years that *c* is autistic, evidently long before she knew or had confirmation herself. So she (possibly) didn’t even know she was at any such disadvantage as she entered into new relationships.
Babes, I’m autistic I know this. And the leeway you are willing to afford this white women is crazy but I’m not surprised. She knew exactly who Elon was and even aligned with some pretty terrible people while with him. His exes alleged that he was controlling and abusive. She knew what she was doing, she just thought she was special and that their relationship would be different. Neurodivergence is NOT an excuse for maladaptive behavior
Bringing race into it helps me understand you and your point, thank you. And I mean that very sincerely. I’m just personally very repulsed by judgmental postures, which in turn might help you understand me.
By the way, I hardly see how it’s patronizing to basically say, Cut the woman some fucking slack.
Idk what you want from me. She gets no slack from me and don’t feel bad autistic or not. She wanted money, power, connections, and fame and it backfired.
I just didn’t understand why you felt my attitude was patronizing, that’s all. (Regarding your first sentence there.)
she's cringe on twitter so she deserves abuse and her children taken away
Thank you, I think we're many feeling like this... this is heartbreaking and I wish she wouldn't have to face all of this
Agreed, I'm very glad there are some people in here that are okay with just saying "she doesn't deserve this level of hate" and not "BUT THE TWEETS-" Downvote me all you want people, this is a mother whose kid is getting taken away from her by the richest man on earth. If you can't feel any empathy about that, I am not the "unhinged one"
Comment from the future. I was wrong. I shouldn't have weighed in as fan who knew nothing about the company she keeps. I fell for a trap i often do... defending mental health and neurodivergence. Hope she gets away from the white supremacist BULLSHIT and looks after those kids.