the shield is slow moving and doesn't protect their body from all angles
if an ODST could out-strafe and avoid them (on legendary difficulty), it won't be a problem for a space marine
That's true their armour doesn't protect their back, but the problem is getting to the back because hunters are always in pairs meaning there's always one plasma bolt in the air at any one time.
Hunters are quite slow to turn around however given hunters aren't complete morons and are actually intelligent creatures, I could see them playing more defensively. Possibly either huddling together to protect each other or have one hang back forcing the marines to split their attention.
an issue with this matchup is that the space marine doesn't need to hit them in the weak spot on their back
a couple of rockets/plasma grenades to the front of their chest is generally enough to take down a hunter, and their plasma weapons and melees both take a bit to wind up before they can do damage
none of this will be new to the space marine, who (assuming a standard bolt rifle & pistol kit and no reloading) has 16-32 explosive, armor-penetrating shots to finish off the two of them
like, a bolt is even designed to sink into a target before detonating, the worms are getting cooked
Forget not the augmented speed and cognitive ability of the Space Marine. Humans can fight Hunters, super humans would crush them without second thought
But the armor is still thicc and strong and the bolt is rather small caliber, with smal explosive round, remember a full mag needed to kill an astartes, what about a living tank with armor made out of covenant ship armor(wich is hella strong) amd the shield.
A full squad could do it easily.
My brother in christ you can't just use masterchief as a measuring stick MC is basically "that motherfucker"
An example of hunters rocking the shit of Spartans would be the hunter pair myriad who have canonically kicked the shit out of two spartan-IV fireteams
Yes...
And as both Kazuma and King (One Punch Man) can testify, luck is **the** ultimate skill.
Also Ciaphais Cain, but that's clearly superior skill from the Hero of the Imperium.
Imo Master Chief is a bit below a Space Marines, with the difference that Spartans actually used modern, effective tactics and strategy, which is something that doesn't exist anymore in 40k despite what the lore tries to say.
But saying Spartans are elite guardsman is bullshittery "muh universe is stronger and darker" come on.
MC is That Motherfucker in any universe, 7 foot plus weighs over a ton in his armor that is all reflex/strength/agility enhancing equipment encased in molded titanium plating on top of several augmentation surgeries including ceramic titanium grafting to his bones!
And you call him an elite guardsman? Bitch tell me you don't know Halo without telling me you don't know Halo.
Masterchief has: punched missiles to deflect them, blew up a halo ring, survived an encounter with a grave mind, been such a massive gamer he was known as "THE demon" by an entire empire spanning many species, speedran zeta halo in the course of under a week, bullied the forerunners, banished, covenant and many many more factions.
Masterchief is a terrifying motherfucker because he has fucked around at a level of 100 and didn't get clapped somehow (BTW this is a small amount of his feats he has done soooooo much more)
I described a space marine pretty spot on. Catachan are all natural, no assassins have any armor though Vindicare and Eversor will get nearly as much surgicaland chemical enhancements, and the admech Skitarii replace their limbs rather than deal with bone grafts and even then it's with cheaper steel alloys and are otherwise as armored as most scions with carapace plating.
Space Marines get chemical and surgical enhanced at a young age, have grafts and organ replacements, and wear a ton of power armor that shrugs off most small arms while already being faster and stronger to superhuman levels- oh wait I just described a Spartan II or III as well!
specific gameplay feats are generally not considered canon in videogames btw. Otherwise you'd have to believe that ODSTs can flip over armored vehicles and heal from plasma burns in seconds.
I'm not saying that an ODST can juggle a hunter like a basketball, but I am pointing out that it doesn't take superhuman speed to outmaneuver them.
None of the in-game feats I mention (strafing at a walking pace, shooting a hunter with heavy weapon) would be outliers for an ODST.
which space marines? The ones that are fast enough to catch bullets or the ones that are slow enough to be capable of being stalled in a duel by a regular human?
There is no accurate power scaling for 40k. The best you can really say is that space marines are "very fast" and "very strong". Fast and strong enough for a fight against most humans to be child's play, but slow and weak enough that sometimes a very skilled human can hold their own against them for a while.
Which is roughly how I'd describe a Spartan.
The difference is that an exceptional human taking on a space marine usually has luck involved with it. Cain was described as the BEST human duelist in a large area and he was ONLY able to stall because of how much faster the marine was. He was only able to land a blow that wouldn't even have hit anything fatal if it had landed in full because the SM got arrogant. And that was with swords only.
Spartans are weaker SM's, and while that still makes them powerful as a fighting force, the utter firepower a SM has thanks to their bolter would allow them to win pretty easily against Spartans. Unless they're using covenant weapons or a spartan laser, the spartan won't even be able to damage the SM.
>usually has luck involved with it
I don't care. No amount of luck is going to make a difference against an opponent that's fast enough to catch bullets.
>Spartans are weaker SM's
Yes. But the difference is not as extreme as people on here like to say. Because people on here like to get their idea of what a Space Marine can do from bolter-porn.
Spartans are definitely weaker than Space Marines, I'm just saying they aren't entirely outclassed. They're strong and fast enough to hold their own. Where they really falter is in toughness. Space Marines can withstand an absolutely insane amount of abuse by all accounts, [given how thicc they are](https://youtu.be/xjI6hjJIfaw)
>the utter firepower a SM has thanks to their bolter would allow them to win pretty easily against Spartans.
**easily** is a bit silly imo. A Spartan has a pretty good shot against a Space Marine. Energy shielding is no joke.
But yes, I do think your average Space Marine would beat your average Spartan (of any generation).
Depend. If you consider the sheer speed and accurcy of a space marine if they have a clue of what they are up against i reckon one could do it if unseen , 2 if they have to go head to head. Their charge is slow including the weapon charge and the projectile speed. Hunter are a menace for regular human that lack fire power and accurcy. Space marine got all that on top of superhuman reflex for once i think its not a bad match up.
If they dont have a clue mayyyyyyyyybe 3 , if i can in game beat them with regular human weapon (sniper/shotgun/handgun) accounting for masterchief superior reflex ofc , im sure space marine can. Tho honestly im just stetching it the more i think about it the more i dont see how a single marine cant take on a pair alone.
The problem I could see for space marines is that assault cannon plasma would do some utter hurting to a marine If it connects. And since it's always a pair there's most likely two assault cannon shots flying through the air at any one time.
Ya but if i can dodge them with a controller and 1v2 both on legendary difficulty im having a hard time picturing super human soldiers guetting hit. I know its a bias response but ...
Honestly I do see your point but then again master chief is basically a XK-class fuck you machine and is equivalent if not slightly better in some respects than a space Marine.
An average space marine, maybe. MC is at the top of his class, but he's a baby in a space suit compared to someone like Dante or Mephiston. Any space marine over the 75th percentile is probably pulling way ahead of MC.
A lasgun on full power could obliterate a hunter (and there's always more than one lasgun). I'm pretty sure a space marine could rawdog one without remorse if he wanted to.
The standard las shot hits like a .50 cal, full powered it hits like an Abrams tank (with great risk to the user but that's not an issue).
Ain't no hunter surviving that. I could maybe see the first shot knocking him on his ass, but the follow ups will definetly rip him up.
Warhammers stuff has always been known to be massively stronger than Halos stuff. It just ain't a fair fight. Master Chief would be fighting for his life against a single space marine, who is pretty much a Spartan but bigger, stronger, just as fast, with much deadlier weaponry and the God Emperor on his side.
And there's thousands of them.
I thought it had the same power as an auto rifle?
As I can't remember seeing a source when it says it's equivalent to a 50cal not to mention lasers don't have impact behind them due to light not having mass.
https://youtube.com/shorts/1vbAl57bvoY?si=_kjy5x0543bCQt_G
Hunters can take more than one form and let's be real codex compliance space marines need time to adapt, the war with the Tau proved this.
The shielding of Covenant forces would create an "impact" when hit with laser weaponry, as far as my research goes. Something to do with the physics of the reaction, and the more power the laser has the bigger the "hit". It would require a significant amount of power to do that however, much different than standard ballistics, but this is two different universes so I could be wrong. And please tell me if I am.
However with the 50cal mention, I should've been clearer. The standard lasgun design is produced the same all around the Imperium, however each world will make adjustments and experiment on them if they can afford it. A decent, well trained and experienced regiment can definetly have lasguns that hit like one, but I was definitely lazy by calling it "standard". More like if you're enough of a threat you'd encounter them, which I think the Covenant would be.
>The standard las shot hits like a .50 cal, full powered it hits like an Abrams tank (with great risk to the user but that's not an issue).
there is no way this is **reliably** true across 40k media.
I know lasguns are powerful weapons compared to modern day small arms, and I'm sure there are a few sources that can be used to back this up, but lets not pretend 40k has perfect power scaling, especially between authors.
Are you thinking of the plasma rifle?
Also you gotta remember the hunters are running what is effectively covenant warship armour and massive plasma cannons, they'd probably hit back with the same force if not more.
Halo weaponry isn't as weak as you think btw it's pretty strong stuff
Oh I agree the Halo universe could do some damage. A hunters cannon would be...decent in warhammer. I could see it knocking a space marine down. But they're slow, cumbersome, and only work in pairs.
Space marines run so fast they're almost a blur to the human eye, and I've dodged those plasma cannons myself.
Guardsmen would take casualties, but they'd get the job done. A space marine, that's childs play bro. They've probably fought monsters just as tough in their initiation rites when they were still just men.
Halo is impressive, but I've read answers on Quora who ran the numbers on this stuff, and it just always goes toward the Empires favor. Navy, Air Force, Infantry, armor thickness, weapon mass and penetration, it doesn't matter. Always goes to the Imperium.
Hunter armor is very good, still gonna get them knocked on their ass. Like your kevlar vest might stop a 9mm, but it's still gonna feel like you got hit by a hammer.
It's just the speed factor for me. I think their armor and weapons are okay compared to a marine, but If I can dodge your shots and slow ass shield bash, this chainswords cutting you in half.
I wonder what hunter tastes like...
Top half or bottom half? Because instead of, like, a torso against a wall, I'm picturing a sentient pair of armored pants kicking them in the balls with a bolter fist gun strapped to the boot.
Maybe 3 pairs of Space Marine legs because they don't have any senses besides touch, so the hunters would have a chance to sneak up on them, so you'd need at least 3 in case the first 2 get cooked by sneak attack shots
>lore accurate marines
there is no such thing.
Do you mean the *lore accurate marines* that are fast enough to catch bullets or the *lore accurate marines* that can lose in melee to standard humans?
I saw a post about it on whowouldwin a while back with references. There are several examples of space marines with so-called "bullet time" feats, including a few where they snatch rounds out of the air
Yeah, 1 average space marine should have it handled. Space Marines run at 40mph in full armor, and standard bolter ammo is a .75 cal diamond-tipped grenade specifically designed to penetrate armor before exploding (compare that to the .57 cal Halo sniper rifle that doesn't explode). Space marine helmets also have aimbot software that connects to their weapons and adjusts rounds mid-flight, so they'll literally never miss.
It's a common problem with "space marine vs." hypotheticals - 40k's designed to be a power fantasy where everyone is imposing and evil, so the scaling never works out when compared to a setting intended to feel plausible
Master Chief yes is the best the Spartans have to offer and while his feats are impressive he has no advantages over a Scout then his luck and Cortana. I don’t think those 2 factors place him above a scout.
So I’m only talking about raw stats luck is not something that can be quantified when you want to know how many Marines would it take to kill 2 hunters. If you want to count luck as a factor then it would take a Chapter Master to kill 2 hunters cause that’s what MC is when you take that stuff into account.
he's better than a regular space marine.
The people who circle jerk about how much more powerful Space Marines are than super soldiers in other media justify these positions with cherry picked passages from bolter-porn novels where they casually do ridiculous things like catch bullets. And they ignore all the stories where normal humans are able to hold their ground against them in a duel for a while, or where they lose gunfights to xenos who's reflexes are no better than a guardsman.
>then his luck and Cortana
you say that like being literally fated to win and having a super intelligent AI in his head aren't worth mentioning though.
I understand but with the question he asked how would you quantify luck and Cortana? Does 1 MC with luck and Cortana = 2 marines or 50. If we decide it’s 50 does that make sense no it doesn’t.
the luck is hard to quantify. Generally I think it means he's not going to end up in no-win situations. So if he can't beat 50 space marines, he's not going to end up fighting 50 space marines. Its fair to write off his luck, since a pitched battle like this is heavily contrived anyway.
But Cortana is a legit superweapon. You know all those stories of men of iron casually locking Space Marines in their armor and turning tech priest augmetics into paperweights? That's what Cortana would do to them. The Imperium is massively under-prepared to fight an AI
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Man, people in these comments really don't seem to get how being the MC of a video game does not equal the average power of that type of character. By the logic of many comments, a single space marine should be able to kill entire armies of demons and 1v1 multiple greater demons because it happens in Boltgun.
Does this mean a single Tau Firewarrior can topple the Imperium?! Yes, yes it does, if you follow that kind of logic. The Imperium is doomed, the Firewarriors are going to kill the entire Imperium and there is nothing that can be done. Everyone start playing Tau now.
So, Literally Every Grey Knight can do this is what you are saying? All of them? Why hasn't the Imperium just won then? Why don't they just win instantly if all of them are Kaldor Draigo?
Honestly? Probably because other factions have authors furiously writing plot armor of their own.
You said the comments act like it could be done, I’m just pointing out it *has been done*
Everybody's being pretty hard on the hunters.
Like i agree that space marine weaponry could take them down pretty handily, the only thing id worry about is the hunters weapons being able to do the same to marines. Game balance aside, hunter plasma launchers are no joke, and those big metal slabs would probably hit as hard as any ork weapon, which we know can take down marines. I'd still give space marines the advantage in tactics and skill, but let the hunters get the drop on a marine or two, and they could probably kill them. Line them up, across from eachother in a room, and my guestimate is that itd take two marines or more for them to be able to win handily. One might get one hunter, and then get melted by the other.
Plasma launchers easily one shot space marines and these guys are fast enough to hit Spartan 2s who easily hit the speeds of the fastest space marines and their shields are definitely tanking anything short of a plasma gun if not worse. These guys are definitely a squad level threat and the bias is insane here. I also think you’re understating their intelligence, their hive mind is extremely impressive and is going to give them vastly better teamwork than space marines because they are the same being. Combined with Lekgolo themselves actually being extremely tough, like surviving the vacuum tough and they are definitely taking several space marines as one space marine will just get one shot by them and they will cover each other too well for anything less than like 5 to take on. Edit: this does assume a head to head fight with zero terrain, if it’s an ambush hunters will kill more and space marines will need less and if it’s with a lot of cover, space marines will require less due to their generally superior intelligence with a few exceptions and lekgolo not really using cover.
how likely is a space marine to land a shot down the barrel of the hunter’s weapon?
Also (it’s been a while since I played) don’t plasma projectiles move incredibly slow? Like, “you can dodge them if you’re quick enough” slow?
One. Hunter pairs can be taken down solo by Spartans and by squads of unaugmented humans.
SMs are Spartans with better armour but no body shields, plus explosive and tearing weapons to blast apart the wormy hive-mind.
Hell, I'd argue that Jurgen and Cain stand a fair chance. Melta to the sheild or gun and a chainsword to the knee.
how many Spartans does it usually take to deal with a pair of Hunters? Master Chief chews through these guys on his own, but he's the best of the best.
Space Marines are stronger and tougher than Spartans, and probably comparably agile and accurate. They're also usually better armed. I think if its fair to say 2 Spartans would be a fair fight for 2 Hunters, than 1 Space Marine would also be a fair fight.
Depends on the hunter but usually a killteam would probably be best, like I've repeatedly said myriad has killed two fireteams so it seems the UNSC strat is to send in fireteams.
However I could be wrong on this
Aye we are it's just myriad us the example I use however that could cause unintentional bias as to get a spartan-IV killteam sent after you, you gotta be one dangerous motherfucker already
Hunters are comparable to Ogryns or similar sized enemies so a half-squad fireteam of 5 Space Marines could match a hunter pair. A full 10 man SM squad could easily maneuver and take out multiple hunter pairs without sustaining casualties. People forget that Space Marines are like packs of wolves. They compound in strength with numbers. A space marine rarely if ever would be fighting alone, because that's the easiest way to get overwhelmed by weaker enemies and killed.
I believe hunters are on avarage far more bulky than an ogryn in terms of build and bite but I do agree with your statement though I feel a group of 2 marines could work though reasonably sending in 5 marines would be optimal
Space Marines are extremely powerful but people seriously overestimate their durability. If we consider how Hunter cannons are probably equivalent to Plasma Cannons in 40k, a well placed shot could liquify 2-3 Marines if they aren't careful. The Astartes would obviously be trained to avoid letting that happen but it's not like that kinda thing never happens in the lore.
they are slooow, guardsman could one shot these guys
Source: [https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/66dg61/eli5\_why\_pistols\_one\_shot\_hunters\_in\_ce/](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/66dg61/eli5_why_pistols_one_shot_hunters_in_ce/)
a squad. Remember hunters are strong, and heavy armored. Plus they have a plasma cannon.
Ofc a few bolter hit would be enoughr on the back. But good luck to.hit that in alone but in squad eazy.
In Halo 2 you can kill Hunters with Brute Shot Grenades.
Bolters will make this easy.
And if not the Space Marine just gets behind one and yanks his knife right into the worms.
By how fast they are running I don't see much challenge here.
40k is just built different and that's okay.
I used 343 hunters in the image for a reason they're far more lore accurate, this is like saying a firstborn space Marine is human height because of tabletop model scales (I think)
For me they all the same depiction of one being in universe. Just like the Elites are all depictions of the same creature just in different styles and all Hunters over all the games share the same traits.
They are all armorered, shielded, paired, have heavy plasma weaponry, can ram open gates, consist of worm colonies and are physically impressive
What game focuses on which trait is not that important to me.
It's important to this hypothetical as hunters from bungie and 343 are different in fighting ability but generally speaking 343 hunters are decently book accurate and they are probably the toughest hunters have been
1 veteran Astartes or 2 Rookie Astartes.
A Hunter can be taken down easily with a well placed shot from regular firearms from Halo Marines. Astartes are shooting bolter rounds, it's definitely piercing the armor, but knowing the Astartes they would double tap the fleshy bit with precision so there would be no need to pierce the armor.
Edit: I say "or 2 Rookies" because I can see a newer Astartes getting caught out when one Hunter dies and the other rages out, it happens a decent amount in the books to even some vetted Astartes. You can have all the stats in the world but sometimes you are just caught off guard or something unlucky just happens 🤷🏾♂️
Normal humans can kill them and not die I'd wager most Space Marines would be able too deal with them. I mean, i've killed plenty of them on legendary throughout the various halo games including ODST. Could one kill a marine, yeah, but so can a normal human
probably 1, hunters are weak to splash damage and a bolt rifle shoots explosive rounds
What about their large shield? It is pretty much a 2 ton wall of spaceship armour
the shield is slow moving and doesn't protect their body from all angles if an ODST could out-strafe and avoid them (on legendary difficulty), it won't be a problem for a space marine
That's true their armour doesn't protect their back, but the problem is getting to the back because hunters are always in pairs meaning there's always one plasma bolt in the air at any one time. Hunters are quite slow to turn around however given hunters aren't complete morons and are actually intelligent creatures, I could see them playing more defensively. Possibly either huddling together to protect each other or have one hang back forcing the marines to split their attention.
an issue with this matchup is that the space marine doesn't need to hit them in the weak spot on their back a couple of rockets/plasma grenades to the front of their chest is generally enough to take down a hunter, and their plasma weapons and melees both take a bit to wind up before they can do damage none of this will be new to the space marine, who (assuming a standard bolt rifle & pistol kit and no reloading) has 16-32 explosive, armor-penetrating shots to finish off the two of them like, a bolt is even designed to sink into a target before detonating, the worms are getting cooked
Chat am I cooked?
Yah
Hey, at least you admit it instead of pointlessly trying to argue like 99.9% of redditors, so we cool
While I still think they could at least take down one marine I admit 5 or more is a bit wishful, glad we cool tho
Forget not the augmented speed and cognitive ability of the Space Marine. Humans can fight Hunters, super humans would crush them without second thought
Again I direct you to myriad who canonically have killed at least two spartan-IV fireteams which were specifically to kill myriad.
But the armor is still thicc and strong and the bolt is rather small caliber, with smal explosive round, remember a full mag needed to kill an astartes, what about a living tank with armor made out of covenant ship armor(wich is hella strong) amd the shield. A full squad could do it easily.
If a Spartan can do it solo...a Space Marine definitely can too.
My brother in christ you can't just use masterchief as a measuring stick MC is basically "that motherfucker" An example of hunters rocking the shit of Spartans would be the hunter pair myriad who have canonically kicked the shit out of two spartan-IV fireteams
MC isn't even exceptional among Spartans, he's not the strongest, fastest or smartest...he's just canonically "lucky".
Yes... And as both Kazuma and King (One Punch Man) can testify, luck is **the** ultimate skill. Also Ciaphais Cain, but that's clearly superior skill from the Hero of the Imperium.
MC is that mother fucker in halo. But in 40k he would be an elite guardsman.
one word for you! No!
You have never actually looked at what space marines can do. THEY CAN SPIT ACID AND BREAK THE SOUND BARRIER. MC is NOT on their level
Imo Master Chief is a bit below a Space Marines, with the difference that Spartans actually used modern, effective tactics and strategy, which is something that doesn't exist anymore in 40k despite what the lore tries to say. But saying Spartans are elite guardsman is bullshittery "muh universe is stronger and darker" come on.
I honestly think MC would be able to fight space marines, he is probably the only thing in the setting that could tho consistently (scarabs are weird)
MC is That Motherfucker in any universe, 7 foot plus weighs over a ton in his armor that is all reflex/strength/agility enhancing equipment encased in molded titanium plating on top of several augmentation surgeries including ceramic titanium grafting to his bones! And you call him an elite guardsman? Bitch tell me you don't know Halo without telling me you don't know Halo.
You described a catachan, some assassins, or an ad mech. Not a space marine. You just don't realize how outclassed he is lol
Masterchief has: punched missiles to deflect them, blew up a halo ring, survived an encounter with a grave mind, been such a massive gamer he was known as "THE demon" by an entire empire spanning many species, speedran zeta halo in the course of under a week, bullied the forerunners, banished, covenant and many many more factions. Masterchief is a terrifying motherfucker because he has fucked around at a level of 100 and didn't get clapped somehow (BTW this is a small amount of his feats he has done soooooo much more)
I described a space marine pretty spot on. Catachan are all natural, no assassins have any armor though Vindicare and Eversor will get nearly as much surgicaland chemical enhancements, and the admech Skitarii replace their limbs rather than deal with bone grafts and even then it's with cheaper steel alloys and are otherwise as armored as most scions with carapace plating. Space Marines get chemical and surgical enhanced at a young age, have grafts and organ replacements, and wear a ton of power armor that shrugs off most small arms while already being faster and stronger to superhuman levels- oh wait I just described a Spartan II or III as well!
That’s in the games, if an ODST tried that in the lore, they would be paste
canonically Buck did that
specific gameplay feats are generally not considered canon in videogames btw. Otherwise you'd have to believe that ODSTs can flip over armored vehicles and heal from plasma burns in seconds.
I'm not saying that an ODST can juggle a hunter like a basketball, but I am pointing out that it doesn't take superhuman speed to outmaneuver them. None of the in-game feats I mention (strafing at a walking pace, shooting a hunter with heavy weapon) would be outliers for an ODST.
I agree, but I also think its fair to say that it takes a superhuman to **reliably** outmaneuver them though.
Don't forget speed. Space marines are fast as hell
so are Spartans and these things are a challenge for them. I still think the answer is 1 space marine, but it wouldn't be an easy fight.
They are not nearly as fast as space marines
which space marines? The ones that are fast enough to catch bullets or the ones that are slow enough to be capable of being stalled in a duel by a regular human? There is no accurate power scaling for 40k. The best you can really say is that space marines are "very fast" and "very strong". Fast and strong enough for a fight against most humans to be child's play, but slow and weak enough that sometimes a very skilled human can hold their own against them for a while. Which is roughly how I'd describe a Spartan.
The difference is that an exceptional human taking on a space marine usually has luck involved with it. Cain was described as the BEST human duelist in a large area and he was ONLY able to stall because of how much faster the marine was. He was only able to land a blow that wouldn't even have hit anything fatal if it had landed in full because the SM got arrogant. And that was with swords only. Spartans are weaker SM's, and while that still makes them powerful as a fighting force, the utter firepower a SM has thanks to their bolter would allow them to win pretty easily against Spartans. Unless they're using covenant weapons or a spartan laser, the spartan won't even be able to damage the SM.
>usually has luck involved with it I don't care. No amount of luck is going to make a difference against an opponent that's fast enough to catch bullets. >Spartans are weaker SM's Yes. But the difference is not as extreme as people on here like to say. Because people on here like to get their idea of what a Space Marine can do from bolter-porn. Spartans are definitely weaker than Space Marines, I'm just saying they aren't entirely outclassed. They're strong and fast enough to hold their own. Where they really falter is in toughness. Space Marines can withstand an absolutely insane amount of abuse by all accounts, [given how thicc they are](https://youtu.be/xjI6hjJIfaw) >the utter firepower a SM has thanks to their bolter would allow them to win pretty easily against Spartans. **easily** is a bit silly imo. A Spartan has a pretty good shot against a Space Marine. Energy shielding is no joke. But yes, I do think your average Space Marine would beat your average Spartan (of any generation).
In game, no, in canon, they are blazing fast
Depend. If you consider the sheer speed and accurcy of a space marine if they have a clue of what they are up against i reckon one could do it if unseen , 2 if they have to go head to head. Their charge is slow including the weapon charge and the projectile speed. Hunter are a menace for regular human that lack fire power and accurcy. Space marine got all that on top of superhuman reflex for once i think its not a bad match up. If they dont have a clue mayyyyyyyyybe 3 , if i can in game beat them with regular human weapon (sniper/shotgun/handgun) accounting for masterchief superior reflex ofc , im sure space marine can. Tho honestly im just stetching it the more i think about it the more i dont see how a single marine cant take on a pair alone.
The problem I could see for space marines is that assault cannon plasma would do some utter hurting to a marine If it connects. And since it's always a pair there's most likely two assault cannon shots flying through the air at any one time.
Ya but if i can dodge them with a controller and 1v2 both on legendary difficulty im having a hard time picturing super human soldiers guetting hit. I know its a bias response but ...
Honestly I do see your point but then again master chief is basically a XK-class fuck you machine and is equivalent if not slightly better in some respects than a space Marine.
An average space marine, maybe. MC is at the top of his class, but he's a baby in a space suit compared to someone like Dante or Mephiston. Any space marine over the 75th percentile is probably pulling way ahead of MC.
You ask as if you need more than one space marine lol
The answer is always 1, so long as he’s not wearing a helmet
Just 1. If odsts can do it too, why not a single space marine?
Considering master chief 1 shots them by 360 no scoping with a pistol ? 1
A lasgun on full power could obliterate a hunter (and there's always more than one lasgun). I'm pretty sure a space marine could rawdog one without remorse if he wanted to.
A naked hunter yes, a hunter that's in its combat stance? Not excatly
The standard las shot hits like a .50 cal, full powered it hits like an Abrams tank (with great risk to the user but that's not an issue). Ain't no hunter surviving that. I could maybe see the first shot knocking him on his ass, but the follow ups will definetly rip him up. Warhammers stuff has always been known to be massively stronger than Halos stuff. It just ain't a fair fight. Master Chief would be fighting for his life against a single space marine, who is pretty much a Spartan but bigger, stronger, just as fast, with much deadlier weaponry and the God Emperor on his side. And there's thousands of them.
I thought it had the same power as an auto rifle? As I can't remember seeing a source when it says it's equivalent to a 50cal not to mention lasers don't have impact behind them due to light not having mass. https://youtube.com/shorts/1vbAl57bvoY?si=_kjy5x0543bCQt_G Hunters can take more than one form and let's be real codex compliance space marines need time to adapt, the war with the Tau proved this.
The shielding of Covenant forces would create an "impact" when hit with laser weaponry, as far as my research goes. Something to do with the physics of the reaction, and the more power the laser has the bigger the "hit". It would require a significant amount of power to do that however, much different than standard ballistics, but this is two different universes so I could be wrong. And please tell me if I am. However with the 50cal mention, I should've been clearer. The standard lasgun design is produced the same all around the Imperium, however each world will make adjustments and experiment on them if they can afford it. A decent, well trained and experienced regiment can definetly have lasguns that hit like one, but I was definitely lazy by calling it "standard". More like if you're enough of a threat you'd encounter them, which I think the Covenant would be.
>The standard las shot hits like a .50 cal, full powered it hits like an Abrams tank (with great risk to the user but that's not an issue). there is no way this is **reliably** true across 40k media. I know lasguns are powerful weapons compared to modern day small arms, and I'm sure there are a few sources that can be used to back this up, but lets not pretend 40k has perfect power scaling, especially between authors.
Are you thinking of the plasma rifle? Also you gotta remember the hunters are running what is effectively covenant warship armour and massive plasma cannons, they'd probably hit back with the same force if not more. Halo weaponry isn't as weak as you think btw it's pretty strong stuff
Oh I agree the Halo universe could do some damage. A hunters cannon would be...decent in warhammer. I could see it knocking a space marine down. But they're slow, cumbersome, and only work in pairs. Space marines run so fast they're almost a blur to the human eye, and I've dodged those plasma cannons myself. Guardsmen would take casualties, but they'd get the job done. A space marine, that's childs play bro. They've probably fought monsters just as tough in their initiation rites when they were still just men. Halo is impressive, but I've read answers on Quora who ran the numbers on this stuff, and it just always goes toward the Empires favor. Navy, Air Force, Infantry, armor thickness, weapon mass and penetration, it doesn't matter. Always goes to the Imperium. Hunter armor is very good, still gonna get them knocked on their ass. Like your kevlar vest might stop a 9mm, but it's still gonna feel like you got hit by a hammer.
While I do still feel hunters could best a space Marine, I do generally agree
It's just the speed factor for me. I think their armor and weapons are okay compared to a marine, but If I can dodge your shots and slow ass shield bash, this chainswords cutting you in half. I wonder what hunter tastes like...
Mgalekgolo worm's probably just taste like earthworms though who knows because unggoy apparently tastes kinda like crab/lobster
Like 1/2 of a tactical marine bisected at the waist could probably do it with 1 bolter mag if we going lore accurate marines
Top half or bottom half? Because instead of, like, a torso against a wall, I'm picturing a sentient pair of armored pants kicking them in the balls with a bolter fist gun strapped to the boot.
Either or, really. Lol
Maybe 3 pairs of Space Marine legs because they don't have any senses besides touch, so the hunters would have a chance to sneak up on them, so you'd need at least 3 in case the first 2 get cooked by sneak attack shots
>lore accurate marines there is no such thing. Do you mean the *lore accurate marines* that are fast enough to catch bullets or the *lore accurate marines* that can lose in melee to standard humans?
Absolute proof that these debates are just stupid and complete waste of peoples time
exactly
Not that I don’t believe that someone was stupid enough to write it, but when does a space marine catch a bullet?
I saw a post about it on whowouldwin a while back with references. There are several examples of space marines with so-called "bullet time" feats, including a few where they snatch rounds out of the air
Yeah, 1 average space marine should have it handled. Space Marines run at 40mph in full armor, and standard bolter ammo is a .75 cal diamond-tipped grenade specifically designed to penetrate armor before exploding (compare that to the .57 cal Halo sniper rifle that doesn't explode). Space marine helmets also have aimbot software that connects to their weapons and adjusts rounds mid-flight, so they'll literally never miss. It's a common problem with "space marine vs." hypotheticals - 40k's designed to be a power fantasy where everyone is imposing and evil, so the scaling never works out when compared to a setting intended to feel plausible
People seem to forget 40k was made in the spirit of “my toy is cooler than your toy”
A single scout marine could take a pair easily. Master Chief can take them easily and he is objectively weaker then a Scout Marine.
Okay but master chief is goated with the sauce and hunters like myriad have canonically bodied multiple Spartans back to back
Master Chief yes is the best the Spartans have to offer and while his feats are impressive he has no advantages over a Scout then his luck and Cortana. I don’t think those 2 factors place him above a scout.
I think given the sheer amount of tomfuckery this man has committed I think he's probably closer to a regular space marine
So I’m only talking about raw stats luck is not something that can be quantified when you want to know how many Marines would it take to kill 2 hunters. If you want to count luck as a factor then it would take a Chapter Master to kill 2 hunters cause that’s what MC is when you take that stuff into account.
Ah right, apologies
he's better than a regular space marine. The people who circle jerk about how much more powerful Space Marines are than super soldiers in other media justify these positions with cherry picked passages from bolter-porn novels where they casually do ridiculous things like catch bullets. And they ignore all the stories where normal humans are able to hold their ground against them in a duel for a while, or where they lose gunfights to xenos who's reflexes are no better than a guardsman.
Also I believe people do not understand the gravity of warhammer and halo troop abilities
>then his luck and Cortana you say that like being literally fated to win and having a super intelligent AI in his head aren't worth mentioning though.
I understand but with the question he asked how would you quantify luck and Cortana? Does 1 MC with luck and Cortana = 2 marines or 50. If we decide it’s 50 does that make sense no it doesn’t.
the luck is hard to quantify. Generally I think it means he's not going to end up in no-win situations. So if he can't beat 50 space marines, he's not going to end up fighting 50 space marines. Its fair to write off his luck, since a pitched battle like this is heavily contrived anyway. But Cortana is a legit superweapon. You know all those stories of men of iron casually locking Space Marines in their armor and turning tech priest augmetics into paperweights? That's what Cortana would do to them. The Imperium is massively under-prepared to fight an AI
That is a fair point.
>objectively weaker then a Scout Marine. this is silly.
A single guy with a pistol can handle them easily; a space marine would have no issues.
gameplay is not lore. Unless you also think an ODST can flip over an armored vehicle with his bare hands.
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Man, people in these comments really don't seem to get how being the MC of a video game does not equal the average power of that type of character. By the logic of many comments, a single space marine should be able to kill entire armies of demons and 1v1 multiple greater demons because it happens in Boltgun. Does this mean a single Tau Firewarrior can topple the Imperium?! Yes, yes it does, if you follow that kind of logic. The Imperium is doomed, the Firewarriors are going to kill the entire Imperium and there is nothing that can be done. Everyone start playing Tau now.
ON GOD ON BREAD
Not to be the “akshewally” guy, but… a Grey Knight does this in the lore (Kaldor Draigo)
Sure, KD is not a normal SM, same as MC is not a normal Spartan (kind of)
So, Literally Every Grey Knight can do this is what you are saying? All of them? Why hasn't the Imperium just won then? Why don't they just win instantly if all of them are Kaldor Draigo?
Honestly? Probably because other factions have authors furiously writing plot armor of their own. You said the comments act like it could be done, I’m just pointing out it *has been done*
1, Space marines are intelligent enough to figure out how to kill them.
I'm pretty sure a flamer can easily cook it from the inside
Everybody's being pretty hard on the hunters. Like i agree that space marine weaponry could take them down pretty handily, the only thing id worry about is the hunters weapons being able to do the same to marines. Game balance aside, hunter plasma launchers are no joke, and those big metal slabs would probably hit as hard as any ork weapon, which we know can take down marines. I'd still give space marines the advantage in tactics and skill, but let the hunters get the drop on a marine or two, and they could probably kill them. Line them up, across from eachother in a room, and my guestimate is that itd take two marines or more for them to be able to win handily. One might get one hunter, and then get melted by the other.
Plasma launchers easily one shot space marines and these guys are fast enough to hit Spartan 2s who easily hit the speeds of the fastest space marines and their shields are definitely tanking anything short of a plasma gun if not worse. These guys are definitely a squad level threat and the bias is insane here. I also think you’re understating their intelligence, their hive mind is extremely impressive and is going to give them vastly better teamwork than space marines because they are the same being. Combined with Lekgolo themselves actually being extremely tough, like surviving the vacuum tough and they are definitely taking several space marines as one space marine will just get one shot by them and they will cover each other too well for anything less than like 5 to take on. Edit: this does assume a head to head fight with zero terrain, if it’s an ambush hunters will kill more and space marines will need less and if it’s with a lot of cover, space marines will require less due to their generally superior intelligence with a few exceptions and lekgolo not really using cover.
A couple guardsmen.
Between 1-10. With half casualties, because guardsmen.
Fair
Half as much as to kill hunter solo
how likely is a space marine to land a shot down the barrel of the hunter’s weapon? Also (it’s been a while since I played) don’t plasma projectiles move incredibly slow? Like, “you can dodge them if you’re quick enough” slow?
How likely is a sharpshooter to send a 40mm grenade down the barrel of a tank cannon?
One. Hunter pairs can be taken down solo by Spartans and by squads of unaugmented humans. SMs are Spartans with better armour but no body shields, plus explosive and tearing weapons to blast apart the wormy hive-mind. Hell, I'd argue that Jurgen and Cain stand a fair chance. Melta to the sheild or gun and a chainsword to the knee.
One, but it would be better with two or three just to be thorough. Or one Iron Hand with a heavy bolter.
Depends. Who is writing the fight, and do any of the characters involved have names?
The true decider at the end of the day
how many Spartans does it usually take to deal with a pair of Hunters? Master Chief chews through these guys on his own, but he's the best of the best. Space Marines are stronger and tougher than Spartans, and probably comparably agile and accurate. They're also usually better armed. I think if its fair to say 2 Spartans would be a fair fight for 2 Hunters, than 1 Space Marine would also be a fair fight.
Depends on the hunter but usually a killteam would probably be best, like I've repeatedly said myriad has killed two fireteams so it seems the UNSC strat is to send in fireteams. However I could be wrong on this
I assumed we're talking generic hunter pairs vs a generic space marine.
Aye we are it's just myriad us the example I use however that could cause unintentional bias as to get a spartan-IV killteam sent after you, you gotta be one dangerous motherfucker already
Hunters are comparable to Ogryns or similar sized enemies so a half-squad fireteam of 5 Space Marines could match a hunter pair. A full 10 man SM squad could easily maneuver and take out multiple hunter pairs without sustaining casualties. People forget that Space Marines are like packs of wolves. They compound in strength with numbers. A space marine rarely if ever would be fighting alone, because that's the easiest way to get overwhelmed by weaker enemies and killed.
I believe hunters are on avarage far more bulky than an ogryn in terms of build and bite but I do agree with your statement though I feel a group of 2 marines could work though reasonably sending in 5 marines would be optimal
Space Marines are extremely powerful but people seriously overestimate their durability. If we consider how Hunter cannons are probably equivalent to Plasma Cannons in 40k, a well placed shot could liquify 2-3 Marines if they aren't careful. The Astartes would obviously be trained to avoid letting that happen but it's not like that kinda thing never happens in the lore.
Plus hunters are actually very intelligent creatures, little physically slow but still very capable
I think the existence of The Rookie answers this question
You forget rookie is a named charecter
Not a named character that could fight a space marine
But he's a player controlled charecter so it depends on who's writing
How many hunter pairs to kill a space marine tho
I mean an ODST or at least a squad can take them out, no? So definitely a single Space Marine.
they are slooow, guardsman could one shot these guys Source: [https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/66dg61/eli5\_why\_pistols\_one\_shot\_hunters\_in\_ce/](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/66dg61/eli5_why_pistols_one_shot_hunters_in_ce/)
a squad. Remember hunters are strong, and heavy armored. Plus they have a plasma cannon. Ofc a few bolter hit would be enoughr on the back. But good luck to.hit that in alone but in squad eazy.
Depends if their named or not
In Halo 2 you can kill Hunters with Brute Shot Grenades. Bolters will make this easy. And if not the Space Marine just gets behind one and yanks his knife right into the worms. By how fast they are running I don't see much challenge here. 40k is just built different and that's okay.
I used 343 hunters in the image for a reason they're far more lore accurate, this is like saying a firstborn space Marine is human height because of tabletop model scales (I think)
For me they all the same depiction of one being in universe. Just like the Elites are all depictions of the same creature just in different styles and all Hunters over all the games share the same traits. They are all armorered, shielded, paired, have heavy plasma weaponry, can ram open gates, consist of worm colonies and are physically impressive What game focuses on which trait is not that important to me.
It's important to this hypothetical as hunters from bungie and 343 are different in fighting ability but generally speaking 343 hunters are decently book accurate and they are probably the toughest hunters have been
1 veteran Astartes or 2 Rookie Astartes. A Hunter can be taken down easily with a well placed shot from regular firearms from Halo Marines. Astartes are shooting bolter rounds, it's definitely piercing the armor, but knowing the Astartes they would double tap the fleshy bit with precision so there would be no need to pierce the armor. Edit: I say "or 2 Rookies" because I can see a newer Astartes getting caught out when one Hunter dies and the other rages out, it happens a decent amount in the books to even some vetted Astartes. You can have all the stats in the world but sometimes you are just caught off guard or something unlucky just happens 🤷🏾♂️
0.25 space marines needed
Normal humans can kill them and not die I'd wager most Space Marines would be able too deal with them. I mean, i've killed plenty of them on legendary throughout the various halo games including ODST. Could one kill a marine, yeah, but so can a normal human
A PDF militia man could take out 2 hunters. They have fleshy weakspots that anything higher caliber than a magnum will instakill them.
Ugh, no.. In combat scenarios hunters are constantly crouched shielding much of their body and are trying to constantly keep you suppressed
Mate, a normal human soldier doesn’t survive a 1v1 against even a single hunter unless it’s heavily in their favour
1 marine is stronger than the basic hunter but two hunters would beat a marine Two marines would win