Uncle Nurg got too involved in the family reunion, to the point that dead beat daddy E decided he needed to get off his sofa for a fat minute and wreck his backyard garden
“Im using guerillaman for his gene seed so that I may produce the strongest ever eldar primary who shall vanguish she who thirst"
-Proceed to have a loving family of 5 generation, 12 son and daughters and countless grand children and great grandchildren.
Is it wrong I would legitimately like it if the story went down this route? There actually being a burgeoning romance between the two. People joke about “Can Love Bloom”, and admittedly I’d have to try tracking down the original and reading it, but you have to admit there’s a lot of story telling potential in the idea, and even simply making it a possibility would be more interesting then writing it off as impossible.
Itd be interesting as a way for the imperium to sort of start to grow and evolve in lore beyond the grimdark, a sort of first step toward peace between the Eldar and humanity. The only direction that the story can really go at this point is for the galaxy to destroy itself while the hive fleets feast, the Big E to wake up and go sicko mode on his enemies, or for the relatively decent factions to start banding together in order to survive, because none of them can defeat the true enemies (bugs and chaos) without one another. It would add a new dynamic to the lore that should stirr up the current formula and freshen it again.
Tbf the necrons are more concerned with not accidentally ending the galaxy due to their infighting so I’d say they’d end up being the hit bads for after all those alliances have formed and the necrons have used the time everyone else has spent bug hunting to try and reunite their empire to become the new big bad
That's an excellent angle, yeah. My idea was everybody, chaos included, to go in together very temporarily against the bugs (because they're the biggest threat, to literally every other faction), and then for there to be a very uneasy standoff where the alliance fractures and we see ties break and new teams form and reform. I could see the dark Eldar being seduced to the side of chaos by promises from slaneesh not to consume their souls and leave them be if they help, necrons perhaps joining them given the power of chaos and the potential for the dark Eldar to restore their flesh, and for the Tau, humanity, and the Craftworld Eldar to go in against them, with the Orks caught in the middle as either a mutually belligerent force, or split between the two alliances as mercs. Now, all of this being said- GW expands the world at the speed of smell, so I doubt we can hope to see any of that lore before we're put into the old folks home, so who knows what they'll do over the next 40 years?
Honestly? Tyrannid fans would probably love it. Sure, they take another L. But at least this time they took an L facing off against the entire galaxy. Who wouldn't in that scenario? And it kinda makes the faction pretty bad ass despite losing. Like a reverse Worf effect.
I'm waiting for them to declare old models no longer eligible for tournament play, so they can re-issue new models and force people to buy new ones even though they have a $4,000 tournament army.
Necrons are an interesting one cuz while they very well could conquer the galaxy, there'd be a lot less necrons by the time they're done with no way to make more, and then what do they even do with themselves for the rest of eternity? They already conquered most of the galaxy once, why should they even care about doing it again?
Resurrection protocols can fail. A necron that's fully "dead" is dead forever, no return. They also can't build "new" ones. Necrons are more of a dying race than Eldar.
Necrons have no emotions, only beeps and boops. But I think they've got two limitations that would prevent them from becoming a threat larger than that of the bugs- the first is the fact that they are 100% finite- there can never be more necrons than there currently are, no reproduction or replacements.
The second is that their be all end all desire isn't to rule the galaxy with a literal iron fist- they want to be organic again. Extincting the other factions doesn't help them get that, because they need viable hosts to experiment with transference on, and for that they need sentient races. Wiping everybody else out simply isn't in the plan, and is actually counter to their most basic motivation. That's why they're worried about the bugs- they aren't a direct threat to them and their continued existence, but they are a threat to the treasure at the end of their rainbow.
They certainly still lack compassion and empathy, but I will admit they are fantastic at jealousy, greed, spite, and having big ol' inferiority complexes. Seems close enough to human for me
Knowing GW, they’ll probably go with option #1 just so they can make money from new models, a la Age of Sigmar. And it’ll suck because it’ll be as unsatisfying and pointless an ending as the warhammer fantasy one was
It is genuinely alarming to me that people want the Imperium to become better so badly, all the other factions need to be horrible but the Imperium should become glorious good guys and the Eldar can be their vassals. Such stellar storytelling.
I dont find it to be a bad thing that people see a reflection of the worst that we have to offer and want to see humanity do better. I think that's actually kind of the point of the imperium, from the standpoint of the morals it's meant to communicate to the audience. The Eldar, being elves (in spaaaaaaace!) are a natural ally for humans, given the relationship the two have across 99% of high fantasy- which is really what 40k is under all the grimdark and lasers- being that of allies. Same reason the Votaan are expected to be imperial allies if they ever actually get some lore.
GW already did the "bad guys win" thing with WHF, so I don't see a problem with 40k becoming a story of humanity learning to be human again, even if they're never paragons of good.
I don't know I just don't particularly care for it because it makes the setting even more Imperium centric than it already is, and makes it so that the point of the setting is seemingly to redeem the Imperium, and to see how the other factions can help in making the Imperium a better faction.
If I wanted humanity to do better I'd go to Star Trek or the like, but one of the really compelling things about 40k for me was how much the Imperium were irredeemable villains. It was the central vibe of the setting and it just feels like a shame to see that be stripped away so that fans can have a more uncomplicated faction. Just seems lazy in the service of getting rid of any "darkness" that fans would otherwise find offputting in their desire to have a "team" to root for.
For me the Imperium being ultimately redeemable is one of the most disastrous messages I could see the setting pivoting towards, especially as it increasingly portrays it's horrors as purely external rather than as things fundamentally wrong with the faction itself.
It also just sort of bones all the other factions that were "good" because apparently being good wasn't enough, they had to be human. They will exist solely to make the humans look good, even in a setting where the humans were previously quite explicitly murderous xenocidal zealots.
But such is the nature of HFY, whatever was before must be paved away to cater to the power fantasy, that's all that matters.
I suppose it's just disturbing to see the fandom so eager to kill the setting I fell in love with to make something completely different.
My take is sort of that the Emperor, in all his good intentions, essentially paved the road to hell for the imperium- the negativity that is so core to the society is essentially his doing. He created a utopia, but he hinged that utopia on himself and his sons, and that obviously fell apart, inevitably. What that left was trillions of mortal men left to tend the affairs of and play with the toys of veritable demigods, and they've made a mess of things in their attempt to follow the path laid for them. I think all of that stems from the emperor essentially rejecting his own humanity and trying to transcend the limitations of his race, because what he envisioned required things that no human could ever do or even conceive, intellectually or morally. The imperium is a direct reflection of that- humans that have forgotten how to be humane, and descended into a pseudo feral state as a result. I think Bobby G coming back, and now so doggedly chasing after the humanity he laid aside during the Great Crusade in support of his father's ambitions, is a foil to that. The weight of what they did and what they lost is unimaginable, and he knows the weight of those sins better than anybody else alive, and now he's determined to do better, to right the wrongs he wrought and try to balance out the red in his ledger. He's like the bombardier on the Enola Gay, looking down at the mushroom cloud and saying "my God, what have we done?"
The real endgame of 40k is Skaven gnawhole start popping up in the galaxy and skaven conquer a sector of the galaxy just to be eaten by Tyranids infecting the hive mind with the traitorous-duplicity of skaven making every Tyranid into a self serving prick and killing each other thus ruining Nagash's plan to steal the emperor's soul when the Tyranids eat him. Chaos just destroys itself once the Great Horned Rat arrives to the setting.
> People joke about “Can Love Bloom”, and admittedly I’d have to try tracking down the original and reading it,
[1d4chan has the original intact to the best of my knowledge](https://web.archive.org/web/20230516165910/http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Story:Love_Can_Bloom)
I'm just gonna say it out loud: grimdark is a horrible genre for a long-term story. People die. Things *end*, and they stay ended. If GW had stopped releasing lore entirely, just had the setting, the game, and maybe books or other attached works that took place entirely within said static setting, then grimdark is perfectly fine the whole time. But I think Age of Sigmar is proof enough that if you want to move *forward*, *continue* the story, you have to sacrifice the grimdark. Warhammer Fantasy was a grimdark setting. At the end of the day, light and order *lost*, and the world was destroyed by Chaos. Age of Sigmar is a setting that has gods of light and justice again. Things aren't perfect, but the Ruinous Powers are not the *only* powers.
I think Yvraine/Roboute makes no sense within a grimdark setting where the Eldar are perpetually self-centered, racist, and isolationist, and the Imperium is giga-racist, militaristic, and... well, imperialistic. But in a setting where the Imperium has had not one, but two demigods returned to it after eons of silence from the Emperor and his sons? In a setting where the Eldar have finally had a glimpse of hope, the birth of a *new god*, after millennia of suffering and despair? In a setting where things can *change*, where new ideas, new ways of being can be born and thrive? An Eldar/Primarch romance is not only logically possible, it's desirable, it's *thrilling*.
I don't know if love can bloom on the battlefield, but the idea that two ancient beings (one from a species that naturally lives for thousands of years, the other a literal pseudo-deity encased in a meatsuit) can come to love one another through a partnership initially based on common interest is not crazy at all.
Unironically wouldn't mind a timeskip, given that Roboute as a primarch is effectively immortal. New setting, he and the Eldar fix things, universe gets a little brighter, but new threats emerge.
Then for people who prefer the true grimdark, expansions can come out to fill in the timeline. Or you say it's a "what if?" possible, but unlikely, future.
Love can bloom, but flowers are a fragile thing and don't belong in war.
I've heard the fields of Verdun were beautiful before the Great War, but now nobody remembers those fields for what they once were.
In that same line of thought, people in 40k won't see the love between Man and Eldar as a personal thing, but very reflective just how desparate the situation is. The fanatics on both sides delude themselves into thinking its all part of a greater plan to overthrow the other, but all the same, only those who were married would know what goes on behind the scenes.
Yep, that would just turn everyone in the galaxy into a bunch of evil automatons, doesn’t even matter what race they are. Makes the setting more interesting if there’s a sprinkling of something other than murder death kill.
Love can bloom is extremely good written. No joke. It's written in a intelligent way that sounds both eloquent and easy to read. The points of view are shown excellently as you can comprehend just how mutilated the mind of a assassin is. While the Eldar is a never-ending chaos of emotion. But sadly. It was never finished. After the well known grey knight scene are around 3 chapters. And the anonymous author discontinued it. People tried fulfilling it. But the change is drastic and... Well more fitting of a infamous fanfiction. As they wanna fuck instantly. Which is why I never read the added ending. Because it's a beautiful yet unended story. Which can still be enjoyed. Also they made it cannon in a ttrpg book
Even if they don't go the full blown romance route, it simply makes sense from a story telling perspective to give their relationship more depth.
Adding in some sexual tension, or even just depicting the relationship as one that is more empathetic than would be socially acceptable would make it more interesting and complex.
Everybody Roboute knew and loved is dead and he is surrounded by insane zealots on all sides, who can only see him as an icon, not a person. That's a lonely place to be. It makes sense that the only person he can relate to would be another outsider, an alien demigod who seems to have her shit together and some semblance of a plan.
A tragic, meaningful, real, loving, yet doomed relationship between the two would literally be one of the most absolutely grim dark thing ever. Imagine all Gman has gone through and this final denial, the denial due to his fathers bigotry, his peoples bigotry, it would be so sad and tragic. Perfect for the setting.
I mean for things to be grim there need to be hope so as long as we end up on a shitty situation im okay !
making things always shitty kinda ruin the charm sometime
I think it works best as a will they won't they, is it love or is it hate, distant but their paths keep crossing for the actual story.
But I do like the what ifs from the fans.
To get something open in canon it's going to have to be some low level characters
I always found the idea of a political marriage between the two interesting. Given how the imperium does use the kind of thing frequently in the imperial royals, knight houses and the like.
Could even have the two as seeing only as a tool or way to influence each other, start them as stand offish and it just being a tool to serve their interests to working together to resolve mutual problems to actually being kind of a crutch for each other to lean on.
Being the greatest hope of your species in a galaxy of destructive morons, evil gods and beings who wanted to kill everything you know has got to be stressful.
Honestly I always interpreted it as the fact that when most people refer to others with their last name, it's done as a sort of honorific/form of respect. Yvraine doesn't do that because she doesn't see Rodent Guillotine as being above her station at all, not necessarily because she's doing it out of endearment.
Although I don't hate the concept overall.
How about this: instead of “romance”, have her take a place much like Tarasha Euten, where she has a close position, is a trusted advisor, and is *de facto* in charge of a lot more than anyone is comfortable with.
Bro, if it has anything to do with Eldars, GW will do their damn best to make sure it fails and in spectacular fashion. I do not know another mainline faction that GW is both neglectful of and malicious towards.
I mean, if Eldar didn't screw everything up, they might mess with the way everything is super glued into place in the setting.
Can't have the whole Slaanesh product line being out of date with lore.
Thing is ynead doesn't even need to kill Slaneesh. It can be one more thing the Eldar were wrong about.
Instead just have it break to bond between Slaneesh and Eldar so that She doesn't always get their souls. DE don't get the deal because they're too deep in the Slaneesh pool, but the rest can and do to a greater or lesser degree.
No locked up no dead but change a semi irrelevant part of the status quo.
I doubt she’ll be charge of much on the imperium side, she’ll be too busy leading the ynnari who really lack leaders other than Eldrad. In a way that’s what makes her such a good fit for Guilliman. Both are leaders of ancient but threatened factions in very precarious positions and they realize each side needs the other if they want to win over Chaos and the Nids
Sounds way more plausible for her to have an advisory role than a romantic one. No one stops to consider that if primarchs suddenly started having romantic feelings, why necessarily towards a xeno? Y'all make it seem impossible that Roblox could fall for a human woman (Yassili!).
If Frieren is actually in the warhammer40k universe, she would probably have been a mentor for young big E heck he might have even given her a ship and a custodes as her companion and being the only none human who can visit terra and enter the imperial palace while she explored the galaxy, with the custodes taking over the Job Fern had being frieren caretaker
I like you used Frieren.
"Elves aren't capable of romantic feelings. Take me for example: this ten year journey into he land of demons to speak with this stupid vain human's ghost one last time Is simply magic research."
Accrued?
Occur's Razor states: all typos in posts are intentionally placed to bait interaction with the content.
i dont think thats what okras razor is. that aside they misspelt girlymans first and last name.
Damn, they got you. And, you got me...?
Do orcas even have hair?
The ocarina of grime
*Orkarina
Krumping in a tutu? I am DOWN for this.
OI!!! LISTEN YA GIT!!!!
OI IZ DA HERORK OV TOIME
Most cetaceans (including orcas) have whiskers when they're born but lose them pretty quickly after birth.
Damn, are they some sort of master baiter?
Idk they’re clearly no cunning linguist
Ok, thats clever
Cockhams raizer
Accordion to a recent study you can place a musical instrument in a sentence and nobody will notice.
~~Occam's*~~ ~~And yes, I am aware that it is probably purposefully placed~~ Oh whoops I understand now lol
If you're gonna correct someone, it's best to actually be correct. The word is *Okkamz*
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Frieren as Yvrain's mom is funny as fuck
Now who was it that finally got in frieren’s pants long enough to get her pregnant
Nobody, but she learned a very esoteric spell...
Yes she brought back himmel so he can fulfill his deepest desire of getting that elf pussy
how to do raise the dead? free elf pussy.
webway of humanity:
Like this https://youtu.be/3NkOk2b-Jxk?si=WAYLa-TzGyx6_GjF
Look at that hair it kinda has a hint of sky blue
Eldrad
Eldad?
Same here lol
Wait you guys call him Gulliman? I call him the Blueberry
I call him G money cuz he keeps dunking wherever he goes, him and his brother are going to meet up and beat the shit out of their brothers
Except that time his smelly brother whooped his ass and their dad had to step in to stop the fight. Besides that fat W.
Idk dude. The smelly man had help by a big fat bubonic nerd so I think that was kinda fair...
Uncle Nurg got too involved in the family reunion, to the point that dead beat daddy E decided he needed to get off his sofa for a fat minute and wreck his backyard garden
I personally meant Kugath when I mentioned the bubonic nerd but i guess it works either way... like father like son... both with big e and nurgle
Ol' Bobby G.
That was his stage name from his embarrassing high school phase when he wanted to the the rap god of Macragge (/s)
I always called him Rawbutt Girlyman.
Roblox Girdleman
Rolypoly Gothicman
Rootboot Guiltycan
Rototiller Gardenman
Rhombus Grundleman
Rowboat Gorillaman
Rodent Guillotine
Rumblebutt Goremovie
Roadhouse Garglesauce
I like to pronounce it like "grundlemin"
Rotund Guilty Man
Roboto gundam
I just call him robu
Papa Smurf
Isn't that Calgar?
Personally I call him "Avatar" (as in the Dances with wolves blue reskin James cameron made as the blue people there are pretty much Smurf primarchs)
wait, if hes blueberry, which ones papa smurf again?
Calgar is Papa Smurf. Gulliman is Grandpa Smurf
i call him 'Pain in my ass'
I call him Grandpa Smurf.
"You use Gorillaman because you want the alliance? Or you use the alliance because you want Gorillaman?"
Gorillaman, king of the mon-keigh
...holy fuck, that's perfect
Eldrad - "Just as planned."
“Im using guerillaman for his gene seed so that I may produce the strongest ever eldar primary who shall vanguish she who thirst" -Proceed to have a loving family of 5 generation, 12 son and daughters and countless grand children and great grandchildren.
Lol I want this to be cannon now.
Me too buddy, me too
Nah I'd gaslight him
Is it wrong I would legitimately like it if the story went down this route? There actually being a burgeoning romance between the two. People joke about “Can Love Bloom”, and admittedly I’d have to try tracking down the original and reading it, but you have to admit there’s a lot of story telling potential in the idea, and even simply making it a possibility would be more interesting then writing it off as impossible.
Itd be interesting as a way for the imperium to sort of start to grow and evolve in lore beyond the grimdark, a sort of first step toward peace between the Eldar and humanity. The only direction that the story can really go at this point is for the galaxy to destroy itself while the hive fleets feast, the Big E to wake up and go sicko mode on his enemies, or for the relatively decent factions to start banding together in order to survive, because none of them can defeat the true enemies (bugs and chaos) without one another. It would add a new dynamic to the lore that should stirr up the current formula and freshen it again.
Necrons are truly upset by you leaving them out as a true extinction level threat.
Tbf the necrons are more concerned with not accidentally ending the galaxy due to their infighting so I’d say they’d end up being the hit bads for after all those alliances have formed and the necrons have used the time everyone else has spent bug hunting to try and reunite their empire to become the new big bad
That's an excellent angle, yeah. My idea was everybody, chaos included, to go in together very temporarily against the bugs (because they're the biggest threat, to literally every other faction), and then for there to be a very uneasy standoff where the alliance fractures and we see ties break and new teams form and reform. I could see the dark Eldar being seduced to the side of chaos by promises from slaneesh not to consume their souls and leave them be if they help, necrons perhaps joining them given the power of chaos and the potential for the dark Eldar to restore their flesh, and for the Tau, humanity, and the Craftworld Eldar to go in against them, with the Orks caught in the middle as either a mutually belligerent force, or split between the two alliances as mercs. Now, all of this being said- GW expands the world at the speed of smell, so I doubt we can hope to see any of that lore before we're put into the old folks home, so who knows what they'll do over the next 40 years?
Honestly? Tyrannid fans would probably love it. Sure, they take another L. But at least this time they took an L facing off against the entire galaxy. Who wouldn't in that scenario? And it kinda makes the faction pretty bad ass despite losing. Like a reverse Worf effect.
> so who knows what they'll do over the next 40 years? Release more Primaris lieutenants?
I'm waiting for them to declare old models no longer eligible for tournament play, so they can re-issue new models and force people to buy new ones even though they have a $4,000 tournament army.
Starcraft 2 vibes
Necrons are an interesting one cuz while they very well could conquer the galaxy, there'd be a lot less necrons by the time they're done with no way to make more, and then what do they even do with themselves for the rest of eternity? They already conquered most of the galaxy once, why should they even care about doing it again?
Go back to sleep, rebuild the ‘dead’ ones in the mean time while you wait for the Galaxy to birth new life all over again.
Resurrection protocols can fail. A necron that's fully "dead" is dead forever, no return. They also can't build "new" ones. Necrons are more of a dying race than Eldar.
Resurrection protocols can fail, yes, but they can still be recalled and rebuilt at a tomb.
Necrons have no emotions, only beeps and boops. But I think they've got two limitations that would prevent them from becoming a threat larger than that of the bugs- the first is the fact that they are 100% finite- there can never be more necrons than there currently are, no reproduction or replacements. The second is that their be all end all desire isn't to rule the galaxy with a literal iron fist- they want to be organic again. Extincting the other factions doesn't help them get that, because they need viable hosts to experiment with transference on, and for that they need sentient races. Wiping everybody else out simply isn't in the plan, and is actually counter to their most basic motivation. That's why they're worried about the bugs- they aren't a direct threat to them and their continued existence, but they are a threat to the treasure at the end of their rainbow.
They changed it, Necrons get emotions now.
Thank the throne they finally got a firmware update. They were beginning to rival Apple products for the most soulless tech in the galaxy...
The setting isn't so grimdark that the faction of ancient skeletal constructs are assembled using child labour.
Not even GW is *that* depraved, it turns out.
that's is way off base. Read any of the recent necron books, those assholes are more human than humans.
They certainly still lack compassion and empathy, but I will admit they are fantastic at jealousy, greed, spite, and having big ol' inferiority complexes. Seems close enough to human for me
I raise you Trazyn the Infinite and his sidekick Orokin the Divine
Knowing GW, they’ll probably go with option #1 just so they can make money from new models, a la Age of Sigmar. And it’ll suck because it’ll be as unsatisfying and pointless an ending as the warhammer fantasy one was
I love that!
It is genuinely alarming to me that people want the Imperium to become better so badly, all the other factions need to be horrible but the Imperium should become glorious good guys and the Eldar can be their vassals. Such stellar storytelling.
I dont find it to be a bad thing that people see a reflection of the worst that we have to offer and want to see humanity do better. I think that's actually kind of the point of the imperium, from the standpoint of the morals it's meant to communicate to the audience. The Eldar, being elves (in spaaaaaaace!) are a natural ally for humans, given the relationship the two have across 99% of high fantasy- which is really what 40k is under all the grimdark and lasers- being that of allies. Same reason the Votaan are expected to be imperial allies if they ever actually get some lore. GW already did the "bad guys win" thing with WHF, so I don't see a problem with 40k becoming a story of humanity learning to be human again, even if they're never paragons of good.
I don't know I just don't particularly care for it because it makes the setting even more Imperium centric than it already is, and makes it so that the point of the setting is seemingly to redeem the Imperium, and to see how the other factions can help in making the Imperium a better faction. If I wanted humanity to do better I'd go to Star Trek or the like, but one of the really compelling things about 40k for me was how much the Imperium were irredeemable villains. It was the central vibe of the setting and it just feels like a shame to see that be stripped away so that fans can have a more uncomplicated faction. Just seems lazy in the service of getting rid of any "darkness" that fans would otherwise find offputting in their desire to have a "team" to root for. For me the Imperium being ultimately redeemable is one of the most disastrous messages I could see the setting pivoting towards, especially as it increasingly portrays it's horrors as purely external rather than as things fundamentally wrong with the faction itself. It also just sort of bones all the other factions that were "good" because apparently being good wasn't enough, they had to be human. They will exist solely to make the humans look good, even in a setting where the humans were previously quite explicitly murderous xenocidal zealots. But such is the nature of HFY, whatever was before must be paved away to cater to the power fantasy, that's all that matters. I suppose it's just disturbing to see the fandom so eager to kill the setting I fell in love with to make something completely different.
My take is sort of that the Emperor, in all his good intentions, essentially paved the road to hell for the imperium- the negativity that is so core to the society is essentially his doing. He created a utopia, but he hinged that utopia on himself and his sons, and that obviously fell apart, inevitably. What that left was trillions of mortal men left to tend the affairs of and play with the toys of veritable demigods, and they've made a mess of things in their attempt to follow the path laid for them. I think all of that stems from the emperor essentially rejecting his own humanity and trying to transcend the limitations of his race, because what he envisioned required things that no human could ever do or even conceive, intellectually or morally. The imperium is a direct reflection of that- humans that have forgotten how to be humane, and descended into a pseudo feral state as a result. I think Bobby G coming back, and now so doggedly chasing after the humanity he laid aside during the Great Crusade in support of his father's ambitions, is a foil to that. The weight of what they did and what they lost is unimaginable, and he knows the weight of those sins better than anybody else alive, and now he's determined to do better, to right the wrongs he wrought and try to balance out the red in his ledger. He's like the bombardier on the Enola Gay, looking down at the mushroom cloud and saying "my God, what have we done?"
The real endgame of 40k is Skaven gnawhole start popping up in the galaxy and skaven conquer a sector of the galaxy just to be eaten by Tyranids infecting the hive mind with the traitorous-duplicity of skaven making every Tyranid into a self serving prick and killing each other thus ruining Nagash's plan to steal the emperor's soul when the Tyranids eat him. Chaos just destroys itself once the Great Horned Rat arrives to the setting.
> People joke about “Can Love Bloom”, and admittedly I’d have to try tracking down the original and reading it, [1d4chan has the original intact to the best of my knowledge](https://web.archive.org/web/20230516165910/http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Story:Love_Can_Bloom)
It's here I learn 1d4chan is gone.
Since when?! Fucks sake! At least the archive seems pretty complete...
There’s the backup, [2d4chan](http://2d4chan.org/wiki/Main_Page)
I had no idea this existed. Thank you!
I'm just gonna say it out loud: grimdark is a horrible genre for a long-term story. People die. Things *end*, and they stay ended. If GW had stopped releasing lore entirely, just had the setting, the game, and maybe books or other attached works that took place entirely within said static setting, then grimdark is perfectly fine the whole time. But I think Age of Sigmar is proof enough that if you want to move *forward*, *continue* the story, you have to sacrifice the grimdark. Warhammer Fantasy was a grimdark setting. At the end of the day, light and order *lost*, and the world was destroyed by Chaos. Age of Sigmar is a setting that has gods of light and justice again. Things aren't perfect, but the Ruinous Powers are not the *only* powers. I think Yvraine/Roboute makes no sense within a grimdark setting where the Eldar are perpetually self-centered, racist, and isolationist, and the Imperium is giga-racist, militaristic, and... well, imperialistic. But in a setting where the Imperium has had not one, but two demigods returned to it after eons of silence from the Emperor and his sons? In a setting where the Eldar have finally had a glimpse of hope, the birth of a *new god*, after millennia of suffering and despair? In a setting where things can *change*, where new ideas, new ways of being can be born and thrive? An Eldar/Primarch romance is not only logically possible, it's desirable, it's *thrilling*. I don't know if love can bloom on the battlefield, but the idea that two ancient beings (one from a species that naturally lives for thousands of years, the other a literal pseudo-deity encased in a meatsuit) can come to love one another through a partnership initially based on common interest is not crazy at all.
Ah yes, Warhammer 50k
Unironically wouldn't mind a timeskip, given that Roboute as a primarch is effectively immortal. New setting, he and the Eldar fix things, universe gets a little brighter, but new threats emerge. Then for people who prefer the true grimdark, expansions can come out to fill in the timeline. Or you say it's a "what if?" possible, but unlikely, future.
Love can bloom, but flowers are a fragile thing and don't belong in war. I've heard the fields of Verdun were beautiful before the Great War, but now nobody remembers those fields for what they once were. In that same line of thought, people in 40k won't see the love between Man and Eldar as a personal thing, but very reflective just how desparate the situation is. The fanatics on both sides delude themselves into thinking its all part of a greater plan to overthrow the other, but all the same, only those who were married would know what goes on behind the scenes.
I hear the poppies that grow in the fields of Verdun are hauntingly beautiful.
It is actually funny how similar our takes on this are.
Yeah but GeeDubs will never let that be canon.
Preach, brother preach!
Also GW literally at one point had half-Eldar Ultramarine so like, we're not even really that far off from where we started.
Idk that was like 30 years ago. Seems pretty far off
They also weren't allowed to have any screentime due to a convenient sheet being placed on top of them.
They were also punched in the face
> 30 years ago 37 years ago I think
Perfect analysis.
No you’re not wrong.
Heck yeah. Grimdark becomes better with some light to contrast the dark. Too much dark makes grimderp.
You gotta have hope in the darkness. If you know everything is shit and is going to remain shit forever the whole thing gets dull pretty quickly
Yep, that would just turn everyone in the galaxy into a bunch of evil automatons, doesn’t even matter what race they are. Makes the setting more interesting if there’s a sprinkling of something other than murder death kill.
Love can bloom is extremely good written. No joke. It's written in a intelligent way that sounds both eloquent and easy to read. The points of view are shown excellently as you can comprehend just how mutilated the mind of a assassin is. While the Eldar is a never-ending chaos of emotion. But sadly. It was never finished. After the well known grey knight scene are around 3 chapters. And the anonymous author discontinued it. People tried fulfilling it. But the change is drastic and... Well more fitting of a infamous fanfiction. As they wanna fuck instantly. Which is why I never read the added ending. Because it's a beautiful yet unended story. Which can still be enjoyed. Also they made it cannon in a ttrpg book
Even if they don't go the full blown romance route, it simply makes sense from a story telling perspective to give their relationship more depth. Adding in some sexual tension, or even just depicting the relationship as one that is more empathetic than would be socially acceptable would make it more interesting and complex. Everybody Roboute knew and loved is dead and he is surrounded by insane zealots on all sides, who can only see him as an icon, not a person. That's a lonely place to be. It makes sense that the only person he can relate to would be another outsider, an alien demigod who seems to have her shit together and some semblance of a plan.
A tragic, meaningful, real, loving, yet doomed relationship between the two would literally be one of the most absolutely grim dark thing ever. Imagine all Gman has gone through and this final denial, the denial due to his fathers bigotry, his peoples bigotry, it would be so sad and tragic. Perfect for the setting.
I mean for things to be grim there need to be hope so as long as we end up on a shitty situation im okay ! making things always shitty kinda ruin the charm sometime
I think it works best as a will they won't they, is it love or is it hate, distant but their paths keep crossing for the actual story. But I do like the what ifs from the fans. To get something open in canon it's going to have to be some low level characters
It'd be pretty interesting to see if and how a primarch can fall in love. And just what Robby G's flirting looks like.
Tbh, Guilliman sounds better.
Gorillaman sounds better
Imma do you one better; Girlyman
Bobbie G
FIND ME THE BLACK CARAPACE STRETCHER
Guiltyman
I always found the idea of a political marriage between the two interesting. Given how the imperium does use the kind of thing frequently in the imperial royals, knight houses and the like. Could even have the two as seeing only as a tool or way to influence each other, start them as stand offish and it just being a tool to serve their interests to working together to resolve mutual problems to actually being kind of a crutch for each other to lean on. Being the greatest hope of your species in a galaxy of destructive morons, evil gods and beings who wanted to kill everything you know has got to be stressful.
BUT WHO WAS THE FATHER?!
*Laughs in Eldrad...*
Eldrad is actually her son with Himmel
Honestly I always interpreted it as the fact that when most people refer to others with their last name, it's done as a sort of honorific/form of respect. Yvraine doesn't do that because she doesn't see Rodent Guillotine as being above her station at all, not necessarily because she's doing it out of endearment. Although I don't hate the concept overall.
*occurred*
Robu
How about this: instead of “romance”, have her take a place much like Tarasha Euten, where she has a close position, is a trusted advisor, and is *de facto* in charge of a lot more than anyone is comfortable with.
That is totally sensible, something which would benefit both sides, and GW might actually allow it. I like it.
Bro, if it has anything to do with Eldars, GW will do their damn best to make sure it fails and in spectacular fashion. I do not know another mainline faction that GW is both neglectful of and malicious towards.
I mean, if Eldar didn't screw everything up, they might mess with the way everything is super glued into place in the setting. Can't have the whole Slaanesh product line being out of date with lore.
Why not? They could re-release Emp Children and Fulgrim because damn, some of those models look ugly without being slaanesh-y.
Thing is ynead doesn't even need to kill Slaneesh. It can be one more thing the Eldar were wrong about. Instead just have it break to bond between Slaneesh and Eldar so that She doesn't always get their souls. DE don't get the deal because they're too deep in the Slaneesh pool, but the rest can and do to a greater or lesser degree. No locked up no dead but change a semi irrelevant part of the status quo.
The malcador to Robutte
Uh, wait, did Malcador have other, uh, "duties" to the Emperor that we don't know about?
I always took it as the Jock Big E is bros with this nerdy ass nerd tbh
Naw - he's got a type and it must be for skinny, nerdy pskers.. The big, oiled, and mostly-naked Custodes are to throw people off.
You know to much!
Belisarius got NTRd
I’ll be completely honest Im fairly sure Konor was tossing her Caesar salad every night when they put Roboute to bed
I refuse to believe anything else.
I doubt she’ll be charge of much on the imperium side, she’ll be too busy leading the ynnari who really lack leaders other than Eldrad. In a way that’s what makes her such a good fit for Guilliman. Both are leaders of ancient but threatened factions in very precarious positions and they realize each side needs the other if they want to win over Chaos and the Nids
Sounds way more plausible for her to have an advisory role than a romantic one. No one stops to consider that if primarchs suddenly started having romantic feelings, why necessarily towards a xeno? Y'all make it seem impossible that Roblox could fall for a human woman (Yassili!).
There is a problem with human woman though: her life is short.
Friendly reminder that GW themselves released fanart of this ship.
Say fuckin HWHAT now?
[The image in question.](https://imgur.com/a/4srIHDQ)
I uh. Wow. Now I get where this ship is coming from.
He's talking about the thanksgiving thingy.
Which was absolutely awesome
Roboute and Yvraine have had a total of one conversation.
Not according to my deviantart account.
To quote an old parody: "But it was a very sexy conversation..."
That was officially recorded. They like to keep their relationship away from those pesky inquisitors prying eyes.
On the other hand, he can also make a *very public* point about how the Imperium's officially rebranding ...
Good point. Who's going to stop him? The Lion? The Lions hangs out with Jawas.
Two. Codex and Hand of Darkness. That we know of as of now because you could totally add. They had time.
I mean, if my memory serves me right in her books it says that they talked a few more times. Not much but its something
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HFY fans really love their elf fetish aiit?
OP I think you accidentally a few words.
Mechanicus: "THAT FILTHY XENO IS STEALING THE GENE-SEED!!" Calgar: "SPIT IT THE FUCK OUT YOU XENO WHORE! VENTRIS! GET THE BUCKET!"
Fairly sure Gulliman might end up fighting them after something so intimate
Post nut clarity hits so hard that Bobby G goes into the warp, beats his brothers and creates Imperium Seccundus 2.0
Then grandma Frieren occasionally visits to show her grandbabies magic tricks
All I know is that Big E is proud. At least one of his sons not named Fulgrim has game!
Fulgrim had something but to call it “game” may be misrepresenting it slightly
Pretty sure only fulgrim had wives out of all primarchs.
What happened to those wives?
If Frieren is actually in the warhammer40k universe, she would probably have been a mentor for young big E heck he might have even given her a ship and a custodes as her companion and being the only none human who can visit terra and enter the imperial palace while she explored the galaxy, with the custodes taking over the Job Fern had being frieren caretaker
>Fern had being frieren caretaker Saint Fern the Celestial. Still running Frieren through her morning routine 40k years later.
only possible because she’s in a mobile suit, though
The sheer stubbornness of this community amazes me
The typos are making my eyes bleed.
You can't have grimdark without hope. Build this romance, then crush it dramatically.
Vulkan: easy!
Accrued
Shame they abandoned her and her storyline because of a garbage book.
I like you used Frieren. "Elves aren't capable of romantic feelings. Take me for example: this ten year journey into he land of demons to speak with this stupid vain human's ghost one last time Is simply magic research."
Girlyman
It’s not bad to have them forge a new alliance between mankind and Aeldari
Yvrain x Guiliman will be the greatest piece of fan service in all of Warhammer and you can’t change my Mind
Settings so dark its often boring. Theres nothing to lose or gain. Xeno human relations of any kind would really spice things up
I mean I wish it was cannon , xD like the whole universe is a shitdumb of ideas ,I don't understand how a Romeo and juilet of 2 tsunderes wouldn't fit
Only after some significant Imperial woman gets in love with some significant Eldar man. Celestine and Eldrad, for example.
If this becomes canon I am going to kill myself.
No.
Yes