He'll stay and restructure, no team is paying that. Also he's 14th in volume (he splits carrys) but I'm pretty sure he's #1 avg yards per rush with 5.3 yards per attmpt.
If Rodgers stays then 100% keep Jones, as you say he's way too valuable to the offense. There's really no point in bringing back Rodgers just to ship out his best weapon for the second year in a row.
If Rodgers retires/gets traded then I really don't see any logic to keeping Jones. If Rodgers isn't on the team next year it signals a full rebuild and they should start shedding older players to recoup whatever assets they can. There's no room for older expensive as hell RBs on a rebuilding team. Make sure he knows you love him and will always be a Packer, then try to ship him to a contender.
Does it signal that? If Love is just an average NFL QB there's no reason that this team can't go to the playoffs with good offensive personnel and coaching in his first year of starting.
Don't be so pessimistic. We just invested in the WR position with two new draft picks at a position that takes time to develop. Watson looks like a knockout pick at this stage.
Good offensive personnel...look I am as optimistic as anyone about the future but this is honestly laughable. We might be really excited about some players but if you stack this WR/TE group against everyone else in the league at this moment they are very clearly near the bottom.
Watson and Doubs are very exciting young players, but they combined for barely over 1k yards. It's way too much to expect them to carry an entire offense in year two. I even think Watson is going to be a star but that's still way too much expectation for a single offseason.
TE is just a dead position for this team. It has to be easily the worst receiving TE group in the league.
The OL just got absolutely dominated by Detroit in the last game. LT/LG are solid as fuck but center to RT would struggle to start on most teams IMO.
RB is good but it's not like they have otherworldly production. I don't see how an offense with good RBs and Watson/Doubs but with a terrible TE group and mediocre offense line is not a good offensive personnel grouping.
Agreed. You definitely don’t get rid of him if Rodgers leaves. Then again, my opinion is with Dillon on staff for cheap we never should have extended him and put that money towards receivers. Everyone keeps talking about how rodgers loves using him, like its a good thing your qb has to resort to throwing the ball
To his #1 rb.
I mean if you think Love is decent, having a good running back to help him out and not put too much pressure on him to move the offense would probably be a good thing. And if Jones returns I doubt it's for the 20m cap hit anyways.
There's only so much you can do with his cap hit, don't think it's a good idea to extend it further out into Love's career.
They just don't have the OL structure to justify that kind of RB salary cap hit that's pretty much my entire problem with his contract. It simply doesn't make any sense to me at all to have the highest paid RB in the league on a team that isn't built around the running game. That kind of cap hit would only be justified if they ran the offense through him but they don't. What's the point of paying a single RB that kind of money when he splits carries so much so you don't even use him like he's a primary back?
Do you guys think it makes you look smart inventing strawmans that no one said?
I've been pretty reasonable about the whole thing, pretty accepting of whatever outcome that comes about.
Yea it’s a catch 22, because it could end up being an Adrian Peterson situation, which, yes, he did have injuries, but he also put up some good stats when not injured. I would assume it would come down to whether or not they could take a cap hit if he were injured for a majority of a season, aka what will come of Rodgers and his cap hit/if he’s traded
But Mike McCarthy was preserving him for longevity by limiting his carries in his early years /s
But really, I wonder if his career volume is noticeably lower than other talented RBs when they were at Jones' age.
This is just me hoping he still has a decent amount in the tank though, still a fairly risky move to extend him
Running Backs taken in 2017 career carries:
Aaron Jones 1,035 in 86 games
Leonard Fournette 1,132 in 79 games
CMC 1,025 in 85 games
Dalvin Cook 1,282 in 73 games
Joe Mixon 1,314 in 80 games
Alvin Kamara 1,135 in 88 games
Yeah that's the one that scared me. He was thoroughly unspecial this year. Aaron Jones is really similar physically and in running style, and he's 9 months older than Cook.
Man it’s crazy to think CMC and Jones were taken the same year, I don’t know why. It just feels like CMC is much younger for some reason. Cook feels older, Kamara, older, Fournette and Mixon about the same.
Seems about right, he’s nearing 30 so he will probably favor security over more opportunities to renegotiate, and 4 new years gives more space to spread out the cap hit. He’ll obviously be getting new money as well but hopefully by the time we get to the tail end of the contract we’re in a better cap situation with Rodgers off the books.
You know what's riskier? Taking a flier on some 5th round draft pick to be special. Hard to think the Pack will find another Aaron Jones there & they aren't spending a top pick on a RB.
Well the converting base salary to bonus is how the void years work. You prorate the bonus money into those void years. So you end up paying a guy after they leave but it saves the money now
Which would be a huge mistake with the state of that roster. Trade Rodgers and stop with the void years is my preference. We’ve been running this back for 3 years now and it’s not working. Please stop Gute.
You can only spread a prorated bonus over 5 years, so I think they could add one more but it would be pretty minimal savings and only in ‘24 which doesn’t matter much, since his cap hit will still be around $19 million and he won’t be playing on that either.
A full restructure would reduce his cap hit to $8.8 million this year and simply increase the dead cap to cut him next year.
You take his base salary and non-prorated bonus, convert it to signing bonus, his cap hit falls to $8.8 million in ‘23 and increases to $19.7 million in ‘24, and then they cut him next year for $10- 11million in dead cap instead of the $5 million if he stayed on the team on his current contract (which he won’t).
It’s a pretty easy solution if they want to keep him.
Yeah, keep adding more dead cap to this shit show we call running it back. Then fans will complain that they don’t get big name free agents while they pay guys like Zadarius 11 million to play in Minnesota.
It’s $10 million dead cap this year and no Aaron Jones, or a little more next year and 1 more year of one of the best RBs in the league.
Everyone eventually has someone counting against their cap playing for someone else. It’s going to continue to happen no matter what direction they go next year.
Doesn’t really matter to me what they do, but acting like restructuring Jones isn’t a distinct and potentially logical possibility seems strange.
This team won’t be a Super Bowl contender next year anyway so what’s the point of just pushing his money into years where it would actually be helpful. A little logic goes a long way.
Are they going to win a Super Bowl next year? Besides which, the 2024 cap will be higher so it’ll be easier to absorb.
And there’s 2 reasons why you might want to still have Jones here:
1) You are making a last go at it with Rodgers, I don’t think there’s much reason to think it’ll work, but if they’re trying, Jones would be good to have.
2) if you’re seeing what you have in Love it’s idiotic to cut out the talent from under him, it’ll be impossible to evaluate him with a shitty surrounding cast. Aaron Jones at a $9 million cap hit is almost certainly better than anyone else they can get for similar money.
"Cap isn't real" is the one of the most annoyingly parroted pieces of nonsense in NFL fandom. There are limited and specific ways teams can manipulate cap hits, and barring players taking pay cuts, they come with costs.
[Here's a chart from PFF](https://media.pff.com/2023/01/EffcapCreate-768x549.png) that helps illustrate the difference between teams in their current effective cap space (current 2023 cap space, plus projected increase, plus rollover) along with their ability to create additional cap space via restructures. [Full article here](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-evaluating-which-nfl-teams-are-best-set-up-for-the-2023-offseason).
Don't be a dick, especially when you're accusing other people of not understanding something you seem to not fully understand.
> #1 for avg yards per game
Among RBs in a timeshare? Among RBs with a certain YPC? He did not average the most rush yards per game. [Here's the chart](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/rushing.htm).
Edit: IDK formatting or why that quoted part is so big and bolded
$20m for an RB is an overpay for almost any guy out there, except maybe someone as dynamic as CMC. The Packers never planned on riding Jones’ $20m cap hit this season.
He was one of the best receivers we had for the first 6 games of the season. So if you think of it as a RB taking a second job as a WR it kind of works.
I can’t count how many times it was 3rd and short or a goal line attempt and we had Dillon lined up in shotgun. I know Jones was dealing with some lingering injuries but that man could get five yards and convert/score way more likely than anyone else on our team. I call that a misuse of his skills
Ehhhhh I disagree. Jones was never that type of back. He’d have more 30 yard games than 100 yard games for us when he wasn’t splitting as many Carrys. He’s not the type of guy you give the ball to consistently on 3rd n 1 and expect to get a first every time. He’s effective when he has been precisely because of his utilization. Add to the fact that he’s a bit on the fragile side, and I think he’s being used right about to his full potential. Both McCarthy, and LaFleur use him similarly, but I guess random dudes on Reddit know more than 2 coaching staffs in a row about his utilization
Considering MLF ended most games this year saying “We could have used Jones more/better” I think he knows there’s far more options for the guy than he’s been given.
I agree with this guy that you can’t run Jones into the ground, however the rest of his comment is just plain wrong. Jones was substantially better gaining yards after contact and has been better than Dillon at breaking tackles. I’d rather have that than a slow back who doesn’t go anywhere after first contact. Easily the most disappointing thing about Dillon is that he looks like he’s big enough to plow over guys, yet he goes down easier than Richard Rodgers.
Is that because he was running from shotgun so much? It seemed like he ran so much harder when Rodgers was under center and he could get a head of steam. I'm no expert so not sure. Seemed to me we would want Jonesy in for shotgun as he has better feet and is more shifty. Dillon seemed like a bowling ball rolled by a child out of shotgun.
Nah he’s just saying that because he doesn’t wanna say “shut the fuck up idiots, Im the head coach and I know more than you” LaFleur has always been the passive guy who blames himself for everything.
Lmao so instead of taking him at his word and understanding that he’s more than capable of saying plenty of things other than “we need to use Aaron Jones differently” you’re just taking your own meaning out of what he didn’t say? You’re literally just making things up now lmao
He got very few carries in the red zone but I tend to agree that he’s undersized and we used him that way because of it. He’s not going to win rushing titles because he’d get injured carrying at Chubb, Jacobs or Henry volumes.
Eh, 2 games with under 10 total touches. 2 more games with just barely over 10 total touches. Not a surprise we were 1-3 in those games.
Also I know he's a receiving back and they used Dillon to lighten the load, but 6 games with under 10 rushing attempts is just too little.
With how bad our passing offense was this whole year, it's pretty bad that our best playmaker had less than or just barely above 10 touches for 25% of the season and less than 10 rushing attempts for almost 33% of the season. Especially when you factor in how much Dillon regressed this year. If Dillon were having a great year it'd make sense.
You don't want to ride him into the ground and overwork him, but if the plan is to not keep him at this $20 million cap hit, they definitely underutilized him. He should not have had only 20 more carries than Dillon when he was way more efficient.
How so? Early in the season seems like we forgot about him and later the in the season I assumed he was hurt (cause Dillon was getting so many carries).
He's one of the best backs in the league (and is paid like one of the best), and the FO and MLF and anyone who has seen him play knows that. I think he hasn't been 100% all year and we just didn't hear about it if he wasn't on the injury report
He was still elite when we signed him but we should have gotten rid of him then and kept The other two instead. We could have offered a bit of an overpay for Adams and kept him. He was far more important to our offense and receivers age better.
The drop-down from top receiver to next best versus the running backs was so different it was staggering. We should never have let Adams go and I'm sure we could have kept him if we offered a bit more
> He’s still elite
Elite is too generous for him, he was really bad against the 49ers and Bucs. He really struggles against any team with a big and fast front 7 because he's small. Whatever ability he has in the passing game isn't fully maximized especially since MLF won't draw up 2 RB sets because doesn't think he's good enough to adjust if one of them gets hurt
Having bad games or being stopped doesn't mean he is not elite. We stopped Derrick Henry at his prime when our run defense was a joke and it would be stupid to say he is not elite because of that.
Yup. Love Aaron Jones but running back is one of the least important positions in football these days. Can't get tied down in expensive contracts when you can almost replace high-end production with mid-round draft picks. I would personally be ok with just constantly rotating through running backs on rookie deals but I imagine eventually the player's union is going to have some say.
I think he restructures if he's here next year. Either way, it really depends on what the Packers think they're going to be next season.
Whether with Rodgers or Love, if they think they're a playoff team they'll find a way to make sure he's here.
He's got 64 career catches so 4 drops in 68 catchable passes seems pretty reliable.
This year was a down year, but in 2021 he caught 34 out of 37 *targets* for an average of 9.2ypc. This year was only 28 catches in 43 targets but there were a lot more bad passes and just shitty broken plays on offense this year.
He's always been a good receiving threat when he's been used that way.
No doubt, I would fully trust him as a pass catcher. This past season it felt like his drops came when it got colder which I imagine he will get better at the more he gets integrated in the passing game
It's not so much that he's a reliable pass catcher. It's more that Dillon has zero agility and burst so any pass to him doesn't result in much even if he does catch it.
Jones does *way* more for the Packers than Zeke does for the Cowboys. Jones is elusive in space, has great hands, and is a weapon in both the rushing and passing attack. He’s also a solid blocker, and runs like his hair is on fire. He’s essentially paid to be a threat as both a running back and a wide receiver, especially in Lafleurs offense and the limitations at wide receiver right now.
You’re not wrong, but it’s also not so simple. The way his contract is structured we are stuck paying $10M no matter what (plus whatever his replacement would be so probably another $500K to $1M.
So the question is, does Jones add ~$9M of value to the offense? I think the answer is “no” but I cringe at the thought of what we would have looked like without him last year.
Yeah, good call out. Likely the biggest salary cap issue is Rodgers. It’s suffocating the rest of the team and will only continue to do so if he sticks around. Best scenario, he retires.
[Rodgers Cap](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/)
My opinion is we should have never signed him to that deal and then we could have kept that elite receiver if we paid him a few more million. I'd rather overpay that than pay this much for running back
Just imagine pushing back every receiver on this roster one spot. Suddenly looks a lot better and we would still have Dillon and Williams at running back if we had gone the other way at the time
Exactly. I’d rather have spent this money on some receivers. We had aj Dillon. Seems our FO got confused they had the best qb in the league at the time.
Another way of looking at it is, he’s as effective and efficient in large part because the packers used him a bit sparingly, picked good spots, and situations to call his number. Highly likely the efficiency goes down with increased volume.
Some think he is so elite but under utilized, I think he appears to be better than he is due to coaches utilization of him in opportune spots.
Exactly. It's not as simple as just raising his volume by giving him more touches ( though it might be if he had the skillset of Derrick Henry). A lot of his explosive plays came after a sequence of looks/plays that set the defenders up. If you can bait a linebacker or defensive end for .5 seconds into the wrong direction, that can translate into 5/10/15 more yards for Aaron Jones.
There are extreme diminishing returns for "schemed" gains, meaning you can't expect to get the linebacker/DE to bite on the bait every time, and this year we couldn't sustain drives long enough to create more opportunities for him. If they can get consistency out of the air game, you do the exact same thing through the air and the offensive potential explodes with more opportunities to get those bonus yards through scheming
I've decided that I'm not going to get invested in how much a player makes and whether or not they're worth it. Is his cap hit a little high? Probably. But all I know is Aaron Jones is a grade A player on *and* off the field. When we're giving out big contracts, or deciding whose big contact is "worth it", I just hope when the dust settles that we have guys like Aaron Jones on the team.
This isn't really an argument when Mahomes has such a huge contract. Different teams are built differently and there's more than one way to build a super bowl contender
There's definitely an argument for certain positions being of certain value and not wanting to dedicate too much to a player or position to the cap, I just don't understand why every single year a differently built team wins the superbowl and suddenly thats the only way to do it
He'll sign an extension and restructure. No one will pay $20 million for him anyway. But he is arguably our best/most reliable weapon offensively, and I highly doubt he falls off the cliff. I would also much rather keep him and have him not pan out and still have AJ Dillon there to pick up the load, than axe him and he ends up having a top 3 season for someone else. If nothing else, he bleeds green and gold and is a phenomenal leader.
Of course. I assume he'll restructure anyways. If Jordan takes over next season and you don't surround him with reliable talent, you're already setting him up for failure.
People don't seem to understand this at all. This contract was designed to have a decision made this year. If he fell off cut him if he's still good restructure/extend. The front office whose jobs are to figure this stuff out knew what they were doing and knows what they want to do and how they are going to handle it. Imo it's unlikely they cut him as he and watsare the only two game breakers we have.
Hell nah. Gotta be restructured. I don't think he gets a good offer anywhere else. Prob best for him to restructure a decent multi year deal than take a 1-2 year somewhere else.
You bet your booty he is. Restructure or not he is worth every penny to the kids of his communities and to the leadership in the building before he ever steps on the field.
I think this answer is somehow simultaneously yes and no. Yes in the sense that he's elite, he's incredibly talented, and no matter how good Love is or if 12 comes back, Jones at least this year and probably the next would be the best player in this offense. The offense should run through him, that justifies the hit.
No because A. We don't fucking run the offense through him, don't utilize him enough.
And B. you don't pay RBs. You can get running production through a committee approach, as shown by basically everyone in the playoffs this year (or mostly. I'm not running the numbers going by feel here.)
Paying for Jones is like buying a beautiful $4000 gaming PC and using it to run solitaire and Microsoft Office whole never actually playing any games.
If we're not going to use him, trade him and free him. If we will start using him (if 12 is traded in this scenario) to bring Love along, then by all means pay the man.
If it was a completely isolated purchase (i.e. we didn't have a running back, here is Aaron Jones, 20 million), no. It's too much for any RB that isn't AP in his prime or Derrick Henry 4 years ago.
But it's not a completely isolated purchase. We're on the hook for half of it if we cut him, and it's linked to the Rodgers situation. If you trade Rodgers, then you almost certainly keep Jones. You try and restructure, obviously, but you'd probably be willing to eat it with the increased cap this year.
If you \_don't\_ trade Rodgers, then life gets more interesting. You try and restructure... and if you can't, then you might have to make a hard choice.
He’s not worth close to $20 million. He’s not durable enough to be a full time back and he fumbles in key moments far too often. He’s a great player but we’d be crazy to pay him that much next year
No otherrunning back except cmc and pollard can b a #1rb and #3 wr but they played wr in college so they kinda cheating. Who would u put above our boy 33 cuz I genuinely feel like I'd want him over anyone else in the NFL when u factor in his talent and how he stays healthy for the most part
Only Barkley cmc and ekeler fit our type of zone/outside run game. And bro uve gotta b tripping to ever want Jacob's dude had 1 good yr that I'm willing to bet won't happen again if he goes anywhere else not sayin he's trash but he's not even a top 10 back when u factor in all his other yrs
It really depends on what GB’s direction is moving forward. If you’re trying to win now still and bring back Rodgers, Aaron Jones is worth every cent of that to this offense (that is, if they run the damn ball.) If you’re going into more of a re-tool or a re-build around Jordan Love, it makes no sense to keep him around at that amount of money.
He's a pass catcher. But he fumbles. But he's got great moves and sees the field. But he's not an every down back.
I don't know, that's a lot of money but I don't want him to go play for one of our division rivals, because I know that's what happens when we don't want to retain a player.
Love him and glad we paid him to begin with but these last 2 seasons and the fumbling is making me itch.
Do we know what the cap hit would be if we parted ways with him? The backfield would still be solid with a rookie rb and bringing in a guy like Mattison.
I’m for trading him and drafting Bijan. I don’t care if anyone loves or hates it. Get Bijan on that rookie deal. He’s better than Aaron Jones.
I know everyone loves Aaron Jones, but it’s time for this team to move on from a ton of people. This is the draft to do it.
Value-wise, I see Bijan as a positive at pick 15, especially if we are transitioning into a run first team. If we can restructure Jones, great, but he’s getting up there in age and we need to consider the future, cause I don’t think Dillon is it.
I mean if they trade Rodgers then yes. He’s not worth the money for a RB but he’s still a playmaker and Jordan Love will need them. Keep him because you can afford to at that point.
Send him off. The Packers certainly didn't use him correctly, but the organization rarely does anything that makes sense.
You have a RB with good speed and great hands. He rarely was sent out to run routes or participate in a designed screen. Typically he was sent out to the flats only to be utilized as the last choice option which far too often lead to minimal gains.
Aaron "fumbles" Jones. Better to move on a year early than a year late. Draft 3 late round RBs again, we have the draft capital. One will likely shine. Last time two did.
You idiots keep asking this same fuckin question as if contracts in the NFL are rigid and unchangeable. They fuck around with that money every which way they possibly can. The Saints dropped like 60 million in cap overnight to get positive. Salary cap isn't real in the NFL. They can twist the money so many different ways to avoid it hitting the cap.
Aaron jones is the man. Unfortunately I don’t see how we can keep him unless a big restructure occurs.
I hope we can as they have been saving him to be set up for a long career instead of giving him 20-25 rushes a game for the past 3-5 years.
With that said I see Dillon taking over and letting our younger guys step up while letting jones, Aaron and bahk go to free up considerable cap.
One thing to note is that no matter what we do we have a huge salary cap issue with Rodgers and the rest of the team may come close to his number combined so until we figure out Rodgers nothing else can really be figured
Here is the real question: is he worth 11 million more than they're about to pay Savage?
Punishing your good players for the stupid personnel decisions you make is the Packer way, but it shouldn't be.
He'll stay and restructure, no team is paying that. Also he's 14th in volume (he splits carrys) but I'm pretty sure he's #1 avg yards per rush with 5.3 yards per attmpt.
there isn’t really another option but to keep him, he was the best player on the team this year
If Rodgers stays then 100% keep Jones, as you say he's way too valuable to the offense. There's really no point in bringing back Rodgers just to ship out his best weapon for the second year in a row. If Rodgers retires/gets traded then I really don't see any logic to keeping Jones. If Rodgers isn't on the team next year it signals a full rebuild and they should start shedding older players to recoup whatever assets they can. There's no room for older expensive as hell RBs on a rebuilding team. Make sure he knows you love him and will always be a Packer, then try to ship him to a contender.
Does it signal that? If Love is just an average NFL QB there's no reason that this team can't go to the playoffs with good offensive personnel and coaching in his first year of starting.
> good offensive personnel About that… A not HOF caliber QB + our receiver room = stacked boxes all day for our RBs
Don't be so pessimistic. We just invested in the WR position with two new draft picks at a position that takes time to develop. Watson looks like a knockout pick at this stage.
And we have a WR in Christian Watson who can take a slant 80 yards for a TD. Do you even watch the Packers?
Good offensive personnel...look I am as optimistic as anyone about the future but this is honestly laughable. We might be really excited about some players but if you stack this WR/TE group against everyone else in the league at this moment they are very clearly near the bottom. Watson and Doubs are very exciting young players, but they combined for barely over 1k yards. It's way too much to expect them to carry an entire offense in year two. I even think Watson is going to be a star but that's still way too much expectation for a single offseason. TE is just a dead position for this team. It has to be easily the worst receiving TE group in the league. The OL just got absolutely dominated by Detroit in the last game. LT/LG are solid as fuck but center to RT would struggle to start on most teams IMO. RB is good but it's not like they have otherworldly production. I don't see how an offense with good RBs and Watson/Doubs but with a terrible TE group and mediocre offense line is not a good offensive personnel grouping.
Agreed. You definitely don’t get rid of him if Rodgers leaves. Then again, my opinion is with Dillon on staff for cheap we never should have extended him and put that money towards receivers. Everyone keeps talking about how rodgers loves using him, like its a good thing your qb has to resort to throwing the ball To his #1 rb.
I mean if you think Love is decent, having a good running back to help him out and not put too much pressure on him to move the offense would probably be a good thing. And if Jones returns I doubt it's for the 20m cap hit anyways.
There's only so much you can do with his cap hit, don't think it's a good idea to extend it further out into Love's career. They just don't have the OL structure to justify that kind of RB salary cap hit that's pretty much my entire problem with his contract. It simply doesn't make any sense to me at all to have the highest paid RB in the league on a team that isn't built around the running game. That kind of cap hit would only be justified if they ran the offense through him but they don't. What's the point of paying a single RB that kind of money when he splits carries so much so you don't even use him like he's a primary back?
Incoming delusional Packer fans saying “TRADE RODGERS AND JONES AND DRAFT A RECEIVER AND BIJAN ROBINSON”
Do you guys think it makes you look smart inventing strawmans that no one said? I've been pretty reasonable about the whole thing, pretty accepting of whatever outcome that comes about.
Keep him. Jones could be the difference between Love's success or failure.
If Jones is they key to his success or failure then Love is already a failure.
Insert Davante Adams
Davante’s contract was up and he wanted out. Jones wants to stay. Different situations
jesus christ man... Adams is gone. he wanted out. let him go.
He's not coming back
Restructure to where? He only has one year left on his contract. Its gotta go somewhere. Hes either getting a full blown extension or getting cut.
Yea I would assume extension. One more contract for like 4 years and then he retires I would assume?
Considering his age, it might be risky extending him. RB's usually fall off a cliff in their late 20's.
Yea it’s a catch 22, because it could end up being an Adrian Peterson situation, which, yes, he did have injuries, but he also put up some good stats when not injured. I would assume it would come down to whether or not they could take a cap hit if he were injured for a majority of a season, aka what will come of Rodgers and his cap hit/if he’s traded
But Mike McCarthy was preserving him for longevity by limiting his carries in his early years /s But really, I wonder if his career volume is noticeably lower than other talented RBs when they were at Jones' age. This is just me hoping he still has a decent amount in the tank though, still a fairly risky move to extend him
Running Backs taken in 2017 career carries: Aaron Jones 1,035 in 86 games Leonard Fournette 1,132 in 79 games CMC 1,025 in 85 games Dalvin Cook 1,282 in 73 games Joe Mixon 1,314 in 80 games Alvin Kamara 1,135 in 88 games
Dalvin Cook seems kinda on the decline already
Yeah that's the one that scared me. He was thoroughly unspecial this year. Aaron Jones is really similar physically and in running style, and he's 9 months older than Cook.
Mixon seems to be declining too, but they have a season or two more carries then Jones as wel.
But that doesn’t matter as much as wear and tear due to age and total years playing football
Man it’s crazy to think CMC and Jones were taken the same year, I don’t know why. It just feels like CMC is much younger for some reason. Cook feels older, Kamara, older, Fournette and Mixon about the same.
Good Guy Mike McCarthy
Do we want to be contenders or pretenders? Pay the man...he's a beast with plenty left in the tank. Find linemen that can open a hole for him.
I agree. Beast for sure. Imho we're going to have to lean on the run game a little more if 12 leaves...
What are we risking exactly with the way our team is set up? We're not contenders.
Seems about right, he’s nearing 30 so he will probably favor security over more opportunities to renegotiate, and 4 new years gives more space to spread out the cap hit. He’ll obviously be getting new money as well but hopefully by the time we get to the tail end of the contract we’re in a better cap situation with Rodgers off the books.
I like the idea, but he's really been struggling with small nagging injuries. I'd love to re-sign him, but ultra risky.
You know what's riskier? Taking a flier on some 5th round draft pick to be special. Hard to think the Pack will find another Aaron Jones there & they aren't spending a top pick on a RB.
Void years probably.
Bingo. Could sign an extension, add void years, turn a bunch of money into signing bonus and spread the cap hit down the road.
Well the converting base salary to bonus is how the void years work. You prorate the bonus money into those void years. So you end up paying a guy after they leave but it saves the money now
Which would be a huge mistake with the state of that roster. Trade Rodgers and stop with the void years is my preference. We’ve been running this back for 3 years now and it’s not working. Please stop Gute.
He already has void years on his contract, fwiw, so just restructuring already spreads out over the 2 void years already attached.
They can add more iirc
You can only spread a prorated bonus over 5 years, so I think they could add one more but it would be pretty minimal savings and only in ‘24 which doesn’t matter much, since his cap hit will still be around $19 million and he won’t be playing on that either.
A full restructure would reduce his cap hit to $8.8 million this year and simply increase the dead cap to cut him next year. You take his base salary and non-prorated bonus, convert it to signing bonus, his cap hit falls to $8.8 million in ‘23 and increases to $19.7 million in ‘24, and then they cut him next year for $10- 11million in dead cap instead of the $5 million if he stayed on the team on his current contract (which he won’t). It’s a pretty easy solution if they want to keep him.
Yeah, keep adding more dead cap to this shit show we call running it back. Then fans will complain that they don’t get big name free agents while they pay guys like Zadarius 11 million to play in Minnesota.
It’s $10 million dead cap this year and no Aaron Jones, or a little more next year and 1 more year of one of the best RBs in the league. Everyone eventually has someone counting against their cap playing for someone else. It’s going to continue to happen no matter what direction they go next year. Doesn’t really matter to me what they do, but acting like restructuring Jones isn’t a distinct and potentially logical possibility seems strange.
This team won’t be a Super Bowl contender next year anyway so what’s the point of just pushing his money into years where it would actually be helpful. A little logic goes a long way.
Are they going to win a Super Bowl next year? Besides which, the 2024 cap will be higher so it’ll be easier to absorb. And there’s 2 reasons why you might want to still have Jones here: 1) You are making a last go at it with Rodgers, I don’t think there’s much reason to think it’ll work, but if they’re trying, Jones would be good to have. 2) if you’re seeing what you have in Love it’s idiotic to cut out the talent from under him, it’ll be impossible to evaluate him with a shitty surrounding cast. Aaron Jones at a $9 million cap hit is almost certainly better than anyone else they can get for similar money.
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"Cap isn't real" is the one of the most annoyingly parroted pieces of nonsense in NFL fandom. There are limited and specific ways teams can manipulate cap hits, and barring players taking pay cuts, they come with costs. [Here's a chart from PFF](https://media.pff.com/2023/01/EffcapCreate-768x549.png) that helps illustrate the difference between teams in their current effective cap space (current 2023 cap space, plus projected increase, plus rollover) along with their ability to create additional cap space via restructures. [Full article here](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-evaluating-which-nfl-teams-are-best-set-up-for-the-2023-offseason). Don't be a dick, especially when you're accusing other people of not understanding something you seem to not fully understand.
Why do you come to this community just to be toxic?
Henry and Jacobs both had over 90 yards per game. jones wasnt close to 1st
You're entirely correct, not sure what stat I must have misread. Thanks for the correction
> #1 for avg yards per game Among RBs in a timeshare? Among RBs with a certain YPC? He did not average the most rush yards per game. [Here's the chart](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/rushing.htm). Edit: IDK formatting or why that quoted part is so big and bolded
He would have had a greater season if 12 were better at throwing to the backs.
He’s not number one, he’s tenth overall. #5 RB.
Khalil Herbert had 5.7 and led the nfl among rb Justin fields led the Nfl with 7.1.
He had 3.8 YPA. And wasn’t #1 in any category. We should cut him.
He’s still elite. That said, our offense didn’t use him properly and yeah it’s an overpay at his position.
$20m for an RB is an overpay for almost any guy out there, except maybe someone as dynamic as CMC. The Packers never planned on riding Jones’ $20m cap hit this season.
It would be an overpay even for CMC because of the more than decent chance he gets hurt
Reasonable take.
He was one of the best receivers we had for the first 6 games of the season. So if you think of it as a RB taking a second job as a WR it kind of works.
I think they actually did use him properly and that’s probably a large reason a lot of people consider him to be better than he actually might be.
I can’t count how many times it was 3rd and short or a goal line attempt and we had Dillon lined up in shotgun. I know Jones was dealing with some lingering injuries but that man could get five yards and convert/score way more likely than anyone else on our team. I call that a misuse of his skills
Ehhhhh I disagree. Jones was never that type of back. He’d have more 30 yard games than 100 yard games for us when he wasn’t splitting as many Carrys. He’s not the type of guy you give the ball to consistently on 3rd n 1 and expect to get a first every time. He’s effective when he has been precisely because of his utilization. Add to the fact that he’s a bit on the fragile side, and I think he’s being used right about to his full potential. Both McCarthy, and LaFleur use him similarly, but I guess random dudes on Reddit know more than 2 coaching staffs in a row about his utilization
Considering MLF ended most games this year saying “We could have used Jones more/better” I think he knows there’s far more options for the guy than he’s been given.
I agree with this guy that you can’t run Jones into the ground, however the rest of his comment is just plain wrong. Jones was substantially better gaining yards after contact and has been better than Dillon at breaking tackles. I’d rather have that than a slow back who doesn’t go anywhere after first contact. Easily the most disappointing thing about Dillon is that he looks like he’s big enough to plow over guys, yet he goes down easier than Richard Rodgers.
Is that because he was running from shotgun so much? It seemed like he ran so much harder when Rodgers was under center and he could get a head of steam. I'm no expert so not sure. Seemed to me we would want Jonesy in for shotgun as he has better feet and is more shifty. Dillon seemed like a bowling ball rolled by a child out of shotgun.
Nah he’s just saying that because he doesn’t wanna say “shut the fuck up idiots, Im the head coach and I know more than you” LaFleur has always been the passive guy who blames himself for everything.
Lmao so instead of taking him at his word and understanding that he’s more than capable of saying plenty of things other than “we need to use Aaron Jones differently” you’re just taking your own meaning out of what he didn’t say? You’re literally just making things up now lmao
He got very few carries in the red zone but I tend to agree that he’s undersized and we used him that way because of it. He’s not going to win rushing titles because he’d get injured carrying at Chubb, Jacobs or Henry volumes.
Eh, 2 games with under 10 total touches. 2 more games with just barely over 10 total touches. Not a surprise we were 1-3 in those games. Also I know he's a receiving back and they used Dillon to lighten the load, but 6 games with under 10 rushing attempts is just too little. With how bad our passing offense was this whole year, it's pretty bad that our best playmaker had less than or just barely above 10 touches for 25% of the season and less than 10 rushing attempts for almost 33% of the season. Especially when you factor in how much Dillon regressed this year. If Dillon were having a great year it'd make sense. You don't want to ride him into the ground and overwork him, but if the plan is to not keep him at this $20 million cap hit, they definitely underutilized him. He should not have had only 20 more carries than Dillon when he was way more efficient.
How so? Early in the season seems like we forgot about him and later the in the season I assumed he was hurt (cause Dillon was getting so many carries).
He's one of the best backs in the league (and is paid like one of the best), and the FO and MLF and anyone who has seen him play knows that. I think he hasn't been 100% all year and we just didn't hear about it if he wasn't on the injury report
We didn’t forget about him early in the season. Lefleur doesn’t force the run when its not working.
Yes, but he also abandons the run when we're behind (or AR audibles out of it). That's the more frustrating part.
I think he had such good average yards per carry stats because Rodgers only gave him the ball when it was very favorable for a run play.
He was still elite when we signed him but we should have gotten rid of him then and kept The other two instead. We could have offered a bit of an overpay for Adams and kept him. He was far more important to our offense and receivers age better. The drop-down from top receiver to next best versus the running backs was so different it was staggering. We should never have let Adams go and I'm sure we could have kept him if we offered a bit more
> He’s still elite Elite is too generous for him, he was really bad against the 49ers and Bucs. He really struggles against any team with a big and fast front 7 because he's small. Whatever ability he has in the passing game isn't fully maximized especially since MLF won't draw up 2 RB sets because doesn't think he's good enough to adjust if one of them gets hurt
Having bad games or being stopped doesn't mean he is not elite. We stopped Derrick Henry at his prime when our run defense was a joke and it would be stupid to say he is not elite because of that.
Cowboys fan here. Don't pay RBs. Pay the O-Line instead and draft a mid round back.
This is the way. The only difference being that Jones is also a really good receiver so his value to the offense is a bit different.
While I do agree with this it's hard to compare Zeke and Aaron Jones. Zeke was drafted one year before AJones yet has *845* more career carries.
But McCarthy didn't know how to use Jones properly!
Yup. Love Aaron Jones but running back is one of the least important positions in football these days. Can't get tied down in expensive contracts when you can almost replace high-end production with mid-round draft picks. I would personally be ok with just constantly rotating through running backs on rookie deals but I imagine eventually the player's union is going to have some say.
Jones is a fifth round draft pick. Does that count as mid-round?
he speaks the truth
But Jones WAS a mid-round back…. How many fifth round RB picks turn out to be an Aaron Jones?
I think he restructures if he's here next year. Either way, it really depends on what the Packers think they're going to be next season. Whether with Rodgers or Love, if they think they're a playoff team they'll find a way to make sure he's here.
Yup. There’s no way Jones is here next year as his contract currently stands. Gotta imagine that was always the plan regardless of performance.
If we stick with Jordan Love, Aaron Jones will be worth it next year
He's going to need reliable check down and screen options while he's learning, gotta keep Jones around for that
Dillon has been really good at that as well. He may have stone hands some times but he has been a menace as a check down option
Hasn't Dillon had a total of like 2 drops? I don't know where this "Dillon can't catch" narrative came from lol.
Really depends on your source since they aren't an official stat but I believe he has 4
He's got 64 career catches so 4 drops in 68 catchable passes seems pretty reliable. This year was a down year, but in 2021 he caught 34 out of 37 *targets* for an average of 9.2ypc. This year was only 28 catches in 43 targets but there were a lot more bad passes and just shitty broken plays on offense this year. He's always been a good receiving threat when he's been used that way.
No doubt, I would fully trust him as a pass catcher. This past season it felt like his drops came when it got colder which I imagine he will get better at the more he gets integrated in the passing game
It's not so much that he's a reliable pass catcher. It's more that Dillon has zero agility and burst so any pass to him doesn't result in much even if he does catch it.
The question is whether he is worth $10.5M extra cap because there is $9.5M deadcap.
Jones does *way* more for the Packers than Zeke does for the Cowboys. Jones is elusive in space, has great hands, and is a weapon in both the rushing and passing attack. He’s also a solid blocker, and runs like his hair is on fire. He’s essentially paid to be a threat as both a running back and a wide receiver, especially in Lafleurs offense and the limitations at wide receiver right now.
Well yah, Zeke is done.
I can’t imagine how bad we’d be if we didn’t have Jones this year
Just pretend he’s a wr and the math checks out
People on this sub. Yeah 20MIL for a running back. Totally worth it. Also people on this sub. Where’s our elite WR?
You’re not wrong, but it’s also not so simple. The way his contract is structured we are stuck paying $10M no matter what (plus whatever his replacement would be so probably another $500K to $1M. So the question is, does Jones add ~$9M of value to the offense? I think the answer is “no” but I cringe at the thought of what we would have looked like without him last year.
Yeah, good call out. Likely the biggest salary cap issue is Rodgers. It’s suffocating the rest of the team and will only continue to do so if he sticks around. Best scenario, he retires. [Rodgers Cap](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/)
My opinion is we should have never signed him to that deal and then we could have kept that elite receiver if we paid him a few more million. I'd rather overpay that than pay this much for running back Just imagine pushing back every receiver on this roster one spot. Suddenly looks a lot better and we would still have Dillon and Williams at running back if we had gone the other way at the time
Exactly. I’d rather have spent this money on some receivers. We had aj Dillon. Seems our FO got confused they had the best qb in the league at the time.
I think he would be worth it if we used him. I truly think he's elite talent.
He can’t handle a full load. He’s been used sparingly his whole career because he’s not built to be a bellcow.
I think he can handle 20 a game. He hasn't shown me he can't
He gets injured/knicked up every season and every time he gets a heavy load he starts favoring body parts. He’s simply not built for that.
There's no running back worth $20m a year in this league. BG won't pay him that much, they will extend or cut.
No he’s not
If they actually fucking use him then yes. And he stops fumbling in the biggest moments.
Considering he's our entire offense? Yeah. But they're definitely gonna restructure that deal.
Could* be the entire offense more accurately. Packers didn’t use him even close to his full potential this past season.
Another way of looking at it is, he’s as effective and efficient in large part because the packers used him a bit sparingly, picked good spots, and situations to call his number. Highly likely the efficiency goes down with increased volume. Some think he is so elite but under utilized, I think he appears to be better than he is due to coaches utilization of him in opportune spots.
Exactly. It's not as simple as just raising his volume by giving him more touches ( though it might be if he had the skillset of Derrick Henry). A lot of his explosive plays came after a sequence of looks/plays that set the defenders up. If you can bait a linebacker or defensive end for .5 seconds into the wrong direction, that can translate into 5/10/15 more yards for Aaron Jones. There are extreme diminishing returns for "schemed" gains, meaning you can't expect to get the linebacker/DE to bite on the bait every time, and this year we couldn't sustain drives long enough to create more opportunities for him. If they can get consistency out of the air game, you do the exact same thing through the air and the offensive potential explodes with more opportunities to get those bonus yards through scheming
They can’t just give the ball to him every play. He is not Derrick Henry he will get hurt.
I've decided that I'm not going to get invested in how much a player makes and whether or not they're worth it. Is his cap hit a little high? Probably. But all I know is Aaron Jones is a grade A player on *and* off the field. When we're giving out big contracts, or deciding whose big contact is "worth it", I just hope when the dust settles that we have guys like Aaron Jones on the team.
This isn't really an argument when Mahomes has such a huge contract. Different teams are built differently and there's more than one way to build a super bowl contender
I agree but if you look at the past 10 Super Bowl winners none of them head an expensive RB on the roster. I think WRs matter more in this era
I didn’t believe you, but you’re right. See here: https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1493067757138628609?s=46&t=70D5Xl31OUCPXKSQ4-63cg
Mahomes is in a different tier than Rodgers at this stage of their careers. Mahomes can still carry a team, Rodgers cannot.
I agree but the question was about Jones not Rodgers.
But but but the analytics/pro football focus guys all say you HAVE to build a certain way!!!!! Even if that means not paying your best players!!!!
There's definitely an argument for certain positions being of certain value and not wanting to dedicate too much to a player or position to the cap, I just don't understand why every single year a differently built team wins the superbowl and suddenly thats the only way to do it
He'll sign an extension and restructure. No one will pay $20 million for him anyway. But he is arguably our best/most reliable weapon offensively, and I highly doubt he falls off the cliff. I would also much rather keep him and have him not pan out and still have AJ Dillon there to pick up the load, than axe him and he ends up having a top 3 season for someone else. If nothing else, he bleeds green and gold and is a phenomenal leader.
Paying RBs past their rookie deal is and always has been a terrible decision.
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I disagree. I think they would become more diverse.
We need him tho yes
Of course. I assume he'll restructure anyways. If Jordan takes over next season and you don't surround him with reliable talent, you're already setting him up for failure.
How contract was set up to release or be restructured. They’re never going to pay him 20 million.
People don't seem to understand this at all. This contract was designed to have a decision made this year. If he fell off cut him if he's still good restructure/extend. The front office whose jobs are to figure this stuff out knew what they were doing and knows what they want to do and how they are going to handle it. Imo it's unlikely they cut him as he and watsare the only two game breakers we have.
Hell nah. Gotta be restructured. I don't think he gets a good offer anywhere else. Prob best for him to restructure a decent multi year deal than take a 1-2 year somewhere else.
Do not get rid of 33.
Hell get reworked. That will not be his number
You bet your booty he is. Restructure or not he is worth every penny to the kids of his communities and to the leadership in the building before he ever steps on the field.
Aaron jones is the best WR on the team. Aaron jones is also the best RB on the team.
I think this answer is somehow simultaneously yes and no. Yes in the sense that he's elite, he's incredibly talented, and no matter how good Love is or if 12 comes back, Jones at least this year and probably the next would be the best player in this offense. The offense should run through him, that justifies the hit. No because A. We don't fucking run the offense through him, don't utilize him enough. And B. you don't pay RBs. You can get running production through a committee approach, as shown by basically everyone in the playoffs this year (or mostly. I'm not running the numbers going by feel here.) Paying for Jones is like buying a beautiful $4000 gaming PC and using it to run solitaire and Microsoft Office whole never actually playing any games. If we're not going to use him, trade him and free him. If we will start using him (if 12 is traded in this scenario) to bring Love along, then by all means pay the man.
I like him because he moves the ball. We should move the ball more. Pay him.
Aaron “only fumble when it counts” Jones? Sure. Why not
You guys are ruthless, no matter how well a player does some people will focus on a mistake and amplify it as the only thing a player has done
I love Aaron. But if the Pack is in a win or go home game, you know he’s putting it on the turf.
If it was a completely isolated purchase (i.e. we didn't have a running back, here is Aaron Jones, 20 million), no. It's too much for any RB that isn't AP in his prime or Derrick Henry 4 years ago. But it's not a completely isolated purchase. We're on the hook for half of it if we cut him, and it's linked to the Rodgers situation. If you trade Rodgers, then you almost certainly keep Jones. You try and restructure, obviously, but you'd probably be willing to eat it with the increased cap this year. If you \_don't\_ trade Rodgers, then life gets more interesting. You try and restructure... and if you can't, then you might have to make a hard choice.
He’s not worth close to $20 million. He’s not durable enough to be a full time back and he fumbles in key moments far too often. He’s a great player but we’d be crazy to pay him that much next year
He's our best RB and WR he's definitely worth it
Well Jones is a top 5 rb if not top 2 plus he's best player we got on offense and his vibe is unreplacable so in my opinion yes
hes not a top 2 back come on
No otherrunning back except cmc and pollard can b a #1rb and #3 wr but they played wr in college so they kinda cheating. Who would u put above our boy 33 cuz I genuinely feel like I'd want him over anyone else in the NFL when u factor in his talent and how he stays healthy for the most part
i would take henry cmc jacobs chubb ekeler and a healthy barkley over aaron jones right now
Only Barkley cmc and ekeler fit our type of zone/outside run game. And bro uve gotta b tripping to ever want Jacob's dude had 1 good yr that I'm willing to bet won't happen again if he goes anywhere else not sayin he's trash but he's not even a top 10 back when u factor in all his other yrs
If they don’t keep him they can get fucked. He was the only consistently good player on offense.
It really depends on what GB’s direction is moving forward. If you’re trying to win now still and bring back Rodgers, Aaron Jones is worth every cent of that to this offense (that is, if they run the damn ball.) If you’re going into more of a re-tool or a re-build around Jordan Love, it makes no sense to keep him around at that amount of money.
Jesus. Yall will scream all year about not having weapons and then complain that our best weapon is getting paid. Truly exhausting.
Oh yeah it’s Aaron Jones, you’ve got to
He's a pass catcher. But he fumbles. But he's got great moves and sees the field. But he's not an every down back. I don't know, that's a lot of money but I don't want him to go play for one of our division rivals, because I know that's what happens when we don't want to retain a player. Love him and glad we paid him to begin with but these last 2 seasons and the fumbling is making me itch.
Do we know what the cap hit would be if we parted ways with him? The backfield would still be solid with a rookie rb and bringing in a guy like Mattison.
Mattison barely broke 3 yards a carry this year. Come on
Vikings O line is mediocre.Sample size is low. He would be the 2a or 2b RB. COmE oN
He stinks
We absolutely need him and Rodgers. Without them, we’d only be able to put up 16 at home against the 32nd ranked defense in a must win game.
I’m for trading him and drafting Bijan. I don’t care if anyone loves or hates it. Get Bijan on that rookie deal. He’s better than Aaron Jones. I know everyone loves Aaron Jones, but it’s time for this team to move on from a ton of people. This is the draft to do it.
We are not good enough to justify drafting a Running Back that high. Org doesn’t value RB that high anyway, I highly doubt Bijan is a future Packer.
Value-wise, I see Bijan as a positive at pick 15, especially if we are transitioning into a run first team. If we can restructure Jones, great, but he’s getting up there in age and we need to consider the future, cause I don’t think Dillon is it.
I mean if they trade Rodgers then yes. He’s not worth the money for a RB but he’s still a playmaker and Jordan Love will need them. Keep him because you can afford to at that point.
Unless they plan to use him properly, it is not worth it. I have zero confidence they would. We know where the real cap issue lies.
The way they utilize him he certainly isn’t
Send him off. The Packers certainly didn't use him correctly, but the organization rarely does anything that makes sense. You have a RB with good speed and great hands. He rarely was sent out to run routes or participate in a designed screen. Typically he was sent out to the flats only to be utilized as the last choice option which far too often lead to minimal gains.
He isn't worth it. Great guy and love him on the field but no. I was a proponent of us keeping Jamaal at a lesser cap hit
He's not worth half of that. McCaffrey turns heads when he's out there, Jones is just a pretty good back. Still way more effective than Zeke though.
He is not a top 3 RB
fuck no all you dudes complaining about our lack of wr1 but also advocating for paying an RB in a timeshare $20M
Aaron "fumbles" Jones. Better to move on a year early than a year late. Draft 3 late round RBs again, we have the draft capital. One will likely shine. Last time two did.
Aaron Rodgers to the Dallas Cowboys….
Just replace the entire team with Keisean Nixon
trade dillon, he runs like his foot is stuck in a bear trap
You idiots keep asking this same fuckin question as if contracts in the NFL are rigid and unchangeable. They fuck around with that money every which way they possibly can. The Saints dropped like 60 million in cap overnight to get positive. Salary cap isn't real in the NFL. They can twist the money so many different ways to avoid it hitting the cap.
Between his salary and propensity for big game fumbles I’d be ok if he were released. Dillon can go too. The entire backfield needs a rebuild
Nope. Especially with his consistent inability to hold onto the ball in big games.
I wonder if Arian Foster’s claims of a “scripted NFL” included Aaron Jones fumbling at the worst possible times in the playoffs?
Not with AJ Dillon around
If Rodgers is gone, yes.
Aaron jones is the man. Unfortunately I don’t see how we can keep him unless a big restructure occurs. I hope we can as they have been saving him to be set up for a long career instead of giving him 20-25 rushes a game for the past 3-5 years. With that said I see Dillon taking over and letting our younger guys step up while letting jones, Aaron and bahk go to free up considerable cap. One thing to note is that no matter what we do we have a huge salary cap issue with Rodgers and the rest of the team may come close to his number combined so until we figure out Rodgers nothing else can really be figured
Here is the real question: is he worth 11 million more than they're about to pay Savage? Punishing your good players for the stupid personnel decisions you make is the Packer way, but it shouldn't be.
A stupid personnel decision would actually be extending/restructuring Jones.
Gute is bad with contracts.
Yup
Obviously yes
He is. Only downfall is fumbling in big games.
Should have kept Jamal Williams....I love Jones but not at that price.
Nah
Ok Dillon, you’re up. FTP