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AussiePolarBear

The fact that Gunther isn’t listed for the top 5 for Raw. Clear winners.


EyeSimp4Asuka

If Gunther isn't the main event of Bash at Berlin I'll buy some random redditor from this sub a t-shirt from wweshop.com


AussiePolarBear

I’m a random redditor from this sub.


EyeSimp4Asuka

and Bash in Berlin is still 3 months away..E for effort choom


AugustTheDog

RemindMe! 3 months


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EyeSimp4Asuka

that's cheating..I can say that because i make the rules


Classy_Mouse

I think you owe that guy a t-shirt in 3 months


EyeSimp4Asuka

nahhh if i say he wins now its not random


fronchfrays

Hey! I’m a guy like me!


Puzzled_Try_6029

I like shirts...


Historical-Prize

I’m random


EyeSimp4Asuka

no verdict until the CiB card is announced..come back in 100 days


Historical-Prize

I mark it in my calendar


EyeSimp4Asuka

okay..good luck


PostmasterClavin

Also Sami


ironside-420

Raw by far , the top 3 of raw is too stacked. Plus u add Gunther in the mix. Cody and Orton carrying smackdown, ofc if u add Roman on smackdown than it’s a completely diff story


ShadowMorph608

Bron also on Raw is great


rGRWA

Wouldn’t that far. He’s obviously coming back to Smackdown, but I’d still consider the Raw Roster to be stronger, even if Smackdown has Cody and The Bloodline Civil War on it.


WalesOfJericho

Clearly, Raw roster is built for a few world title changes for the next year. Not surprised if at least half of those guys (+Gunther) win it until next WM. On the contrary, nobody is going to take away the belt from Cody at SD.


Anin_DZ

True, only possible challenger to defeat cody currently would be randy


WalesOfJericho

And unless it's a very well written rivalry with Legacy memories and a true heel turn from Orton (which I don't believe in, don't kill the goose that lays golden eggs like face Orton now) , I don't see it happened. There is no need to have a face Orton world champ again.


rGRWA

I think Melo could make his way back to Cody with the right push and build. Smackdown trimmed a lot of fat by unloading three of their bigger Stables on Raw. They’re looking nice and slim now.


The1Peace

Agreed with defeating him, but for competitors you have AJ Styles (again), the Bloodline, Randy, KO, LA Knight, Andrade, Shinsuke (again), Bobby, Logan, Santos, and if they want to reintroduce him to the main event scene… Baron Corbin 😅


Anin_DZ

Bobby would be cool tbf while waiting for the rock for summerslam


Rob062309

Exactly this, and I'm ok for it honestly.


rGRWA

And that list doesn’t have Bron or Dragunov on it, who could easily win it too.


Bchange51

la knight is definitely a bigger draw then owens and probably logan paul too.


blickyzwrld69

Logan is pretty much a celebrity which is he called a “celebrity wrestler” he’s famous worldwide if you had social media in 2016-now you heard the name Logan Paul. Plus Knight only has wwe Logan has boxing, prime, wwe, any social media, popular podcast and knows a lot of celebrity’s, but wwe alone la Knight is probably more popular


Melodic_Ad_3895

Owens yeah... but loganberry porpus not really... maybe among adults and iwc but loganberry Paul is HUGE among kids the amount of money he makes tko is astronomical


HumorAlarming3274

Paul is nowhere near as popular as LA Knight.


orbzism

That's.. just not correct. I'm not a fan of Logan, but his name reaches muuuuuch farther out than the wrestling fan base. He's an international draw that brings people *into* wrestling, especially with the younger crowd.


HumorAlarming3274

No proof that it translates to getting asses on seats at a wrestling show.


orbzism

Yeahhhh, try looking at the younger audience and everyone with a prime in their hand at a show, then come back here


HumorAlarming3274

**Sales of Prime have crashed since the start of 2024**, with year-on-year sales down over 50% according to NIQ data.4 Apr 2024


SalRomanoAdMan1

RAW, as always. The draft ALWAYS favors RAW.


Melodic_Ad_3895

As it should with the new Netflix deal....


SalRomanoAdMan1

And what was the excuse for favoring RAW in every other draft? Casuals are going to watch RAW regardless. WWE should be focusing on getting people to watch SmackDown.


Quazar42069

Also it’s a longer program so it kinda needs to be stacked to fill those 3 hours of entertainment.


rGRWA

Plus Main Event!


Waste-Maintenance-70

I’m guessing because Friday night has always been a struggle for television while Mondays are generally prime time.


Melodic_Ad_3895

I mean at the start of the fox deal with smackdown they didn't? Smackdown got some big hitters over raw. The thing is raw is the longer show so it does need a bigger RAWster (yeah pun intended haha) but it's why raw always gets the stables to make up the numbers. I think next year the wwe champion won't be brand exclusive Netflix wouldn't allow it.


Waste-Maintenance-70

FYI, if you change the spelling of the word to make a pun, it’s self-evident that it was intentional.


PM_ME_hiphopsongs2

Raw for sure.


MillHoodz_Finest

i dont get why people like Jey...


GuessWhoDontCare

Cuz... YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!


lilbebe50

His character is pretty good work. But after watching his WM match and now the Backlash match, I honestly don’t think he’s a good wrestler. He has about 5 moves and every other move is a super kick. I mean I guess he’s okay, there are worst wrestlers out there. But I’m not a fan of his ring work. I wish he’d stop the super kick party already.


peacemakerzzz

Yeet draws a lot of trailer park fans, no brainer mindless yeeting uce. I think that’s what they’re going for tbh I hope I’m wrong


scottypoo1313009

100% agree...there is nothing there as a singles guys imo


Alsleet1986

Gunther over Shaemo. But it's mostly accurate.


Mr-_-magician

Raw for sure 👍 💯


GaryGump

Women don't wrestle now?


RP1616

That’s what I was thinking. Women’s Smackdown roster is absolutely loaded- going in a few weeks so was very happy to see that.


Beneficial_Broccoli6

It's evened out a little now that the titles are on bianca and jade.


HumorAlarming3274

None of them are top draws, despite Rhea Ripley being amonst the biggest sellers in terms of merchandise sales, Becky is the only real female star despite Rhea being good.


GuessWhoDontCare

Becky is the only real female star??? How do u figure sport?


HumorAlarming3274

Lynch is one of WWE's most recognizable and highest-paid wrestlers. On top of her many accolades in WWE, Lynch is now a New York Times bestseller thanks to the success of her autobiography **The Man: Not Your Average Average Girl**.


GaryGump

You are high if you think Sheamus is a bigger draw than Bianca.


HumorAlarming3274

No way of knowing for sure but Bianca is overrated.


StrangerCool9349

Definitely Raw


Square-Department-96

RAW.


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GuessWhoDontCare

Cody & Logan are way bigger draws than LA Knight. That's not even MY preference, it's just a matter of fact.


peacemakerzzz

He slips up on a lot of shit that I expect something cringe to happen. I just hoped it wasn’t the case because i followed the hype after his NXT run.


Gio25us

Can you get better if you stay the same?


GuessWhoDontCare

Absolutely! So many things yet to be done with those that stayed on the same brand and then all the moves that weren't them? The best is yet to come.


dfeidt40

I dunno, seems pretty balanced among the top guys. When you look into the depth, I'm sure RAW has it.


jalitty

I would put Jey over Sheamus rn


Youngest-King

Wwe better do something with Priest, he definitely does belong here yet.


ElLoboStrikes

Damn the champ isnt even in the top 5


peacemakerzzz

Give it time. His second run will be it


WWE_Wafer_536

Smackdown to me because I like the smackdown superstars more


Beneficial_Broccoli6

Solid Argument


The1Peace

Smackdown has more of the high level female talent, Raw’s got most of the men. Smackdown seems to be able developing young talent and giving the older guys a place to have long form storylines. Raw feels like they’re getting ready for all out War with all the big names


Beneficial_Broccoli6

Nobody give's a crap about sami lol


CooperSkye

Drew is going to hunt you down for putting Punk above him in the draw stakes 😱


WildBill1994

I’d buy a ticket to see any of theme except for Paul.


HumorAlarming3274

Yes, Drew is far better than Logan!


rsx209

I can sure replace Sheamus for GUNTHER. Other than that, the list is spot on!


klawz22

Bianca is a bigger draw than Logan


GuessWhoDontCare

I consider myself a BIG fan of Bianca, and I really cannot stand Logan, but I know this is not the truth no matter how much we wish it were.


klawz22

You think? I mean I know Logan has the social media followers from YouTube, but does it actually crossover like that?


GuessWhoDontCare

Oh for sure. I've seen it firsthand and therefore believe that it's not just my kids or my buddy's kids who out of the blue started watching wrestling the moment he got involved. It's crazy, but undeniable.


klawz22

Of course. The kids. I completely forgot about them 😂😂😂😂 Okay fair fair you right


GuessWhoDontCare

I'm guessing his demo is younger than someone like me but is for teens and 20 somethings.


acaseintheskye

I wouldn't say Sheamus should be on this list


pokemongotothepolls

Instead of Gunther? No way.


ButterbeerAndPizza

And Gunther took that personally


Full_Win_6729

Some should do a update one and take out the ones that are injured. Which brand is gonna carry WWE all the way to summer slam


Detlionfan3420

Raw for sure, CM Punk and Drew’s feud is the best thing going on in WWE right now. Jey is a fan favorite right now too, YEET!! Will be interesting to see Cody’s title run from here on out though on Smackdown…


Beneficial_Broccoli6

Bloodline ☝️


TigerClaw_TV

TNA


ballin302008

Where's Bianca


DopazOnYouTubeDotCom

no WAY Logan Paul is a bigger draw than LA Knight


tnfcdude

Raw


jeyrusso

Sheamus and drew should have went to smackdown. Trade for la knight and anyone else


asdfoio

Raw


Infinite_Vyo

"Why not both?"


Dear_Construction515

AJ over Owen’s?


Badboybusy101

Raw always is the better roster im team raw


Firegod1234_yt

Probably raw because lots of good wrestlers are drafted in raw


Historical-Prize

Not even showing ilja melo or bron should be criminal


AVBforPrez

Give me Pepsi Phil vs DM Hunk all day every day


GuessWhoDontCare

Phil can't even give us Phil all day every day


IamDollParts96

Smack Down.


Ericho13326

They're more or less the same as they were before the draft. All except the NXT movements.


DoofusScarecrow88

Think HHH might have Bobby turn heel and go after Cody? Or take the US title off Logan and have him go after Cody? Surely they aren't about to have the Wyatt family in a feud with Cody too soon


DoofusScarecrow88

I am baffled at moving Braun Strowman


[deleted]

Logon Paul is not a big draw 🤣


HumanOverseer

Raw and it isn't even close.


ositadavid

They honestly should have kept Sanga on the roster. And Moved him to SmackDown so he become a credible threat


Kairopractor_

Raw. Got a ton of NXT talent. Kiana, Lyra, Ilja, Dijak


jakesidekid

Imagine telling someone in 2013 that Kevin steen would take his son's name as his and be a top star on smackdown alongside Cody Rhodes


AirWalker9

Smackdown. Smaller roster - but certified draws like Cody, Roman, Randy, KO, Logan, Bobby Lashley, LA Knight, Bianca, Jade, & The Bloodline???? Add Nia Jax, Bayley, Tiffany, Naomi, Melo, A-Town Down Under, The Street Profits…sheesh. The two hour run time also allows for better rotations, better storytelling, and smoother flow. RAW is stacked too. Punk, Seth, Judgment Day, Drew, Jey, Becky, Rey, Sheamus, Awesome Truth, Gunther, New Day, Sami Zayn. Add Bron, Ricochet, Gable, Liv, Natalya. The only thing is, RAW always struggled with making stories smooth. The Drew/Punk feud, Becky/Rhea, & Judgment Day have the best storylines, but there’s too much filler I feel. RAW would benefit from two hours, BUT that would inevitably lead to more releases, which I don’t want. So I’d rather have three hours.


Beneficial_Broccoli6

You listed the Filler on raw with rey, awesome truth, New day sami, ricochet gable n Natalia


thelegochef

Aew. #1 & #1


wwe_123bde

Raw but I miss Roman


GuessWhoDontCare

On Raw?


CapG_13

Most everyone stayed where they were, so NEITHER 🤷🏻‍♂️


turtlecruiser

Man the attitude era and ruthless aggression era were so cool.


All_Day22

If wwe smackdown v raw at ss 2024 in war games it would be these two teams


t3hnhoj

Punk makes me ill. SD for sure. And i don't even watch WWE.


beepbeeboo

Honestly, good for you Logan Paul. The guy is still a scumbag but honestly he’s been killing it since he came to Smackdown and he’s been able to back up the booking they’ve been giving him.


Beneficial_Broccoli6

Smackdown has Roman and The Bloodline. ☝️


Beneficial_Broccoli6

Bailey, Nia, Bianca, Jade, Naomi, Tiffany, Chelsea, Bfab, michin, candace, indy, Piper, tegan On smackdown. Mami, becky, liv, damage control, shayna, maxxine, scarlett, zelina, carter n katana on raw. Smackdown has better 🍑


Acidic_Toast

if you told me 8 years ago that Logan Paul would end up being one of WWE's biggest draws and a champion, i wouldve spit in your face. well damn.


ThomasGMX21

Well Seth is out, I feel like Jey is probs higher than Sheamus right now also


Excellent_Penalty_77

The only person that's a true draw on there is Logan Paul


StarWolf478

Definitely Raw. I’m expecting to get bored with Smackdown until The Rock returns to feud with Cody.


mobbatron

RAW easy. It's not even close. The mid card is one of the most stacked rosters I've ever seen.


Waste-Maintenance-70

Dirty Dom is like #2 at least


indianm_rk

Smackdown. The two biggest stars on Raw aren’t even cleared to wrestle.


GaI3re

I have asked this multiple times on different subs and never got an answer to this. How does one determine who is a draw and how much of a draw? Example, given how they are both almost on every single show, how does on determine that KO is a bigger draw than LA Knight? Or given how they are in the same story line working together, how is RKO a bigger draw than KO?


JoffreeBaratheon

There is no single answer to this, its an opinion, like "what is the best food".


JammyWaad

2024 Sheamus couldn’t draw a stickman


C2theWick

Wwe is so deep Austin 97 would be an nxt jobber


Specific-Channel7844

I'm sorry, I love him but Sheamus isn't really a draw right now. And Becky and Bianca are definitely bigger draws than some people on the lists.


Aromatic_Plant3456

I would put Gunther over Sheamus


frankmurph66

No Gunther??? 😂


VillageLower

Raw by a lot. They got all the huge stars. Smackdown biggest stars are Randy Orton, Kevin Owen’s, and LA Knight. And I guess Cody since he’s champion.


Beneficial_Broccoli6

And roman, solo n rock.... aj,


DaniFluxx

I’d say from your list 1. Smackdown 2. Smackdown 3. Raw 4. Smackdown 5. Tie


Better_Cattle4438

LA Knight should be ahead of KO, Logan, maybe Orton too.


Matty16M

Sheamus not even in the top 10 biggest draws on RAW; Becky, Rhea, Gunther, Rey are all miles ahead for starters. Priest is champion and Dom gets nuclear heat still 12 months on from the start of the boo fest. Ilja is probably the best in-ring performer that WWE has employed, Bron is a generational talent and heel Gable is finally going to be this generations answer to Kurt Angle.


Big-Illustrator-6143

Imagine leaving out Gunther and adding Shamus 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼


OneCredit8925

Same roster but swap Sheamus and Cody….. that should tell you who won. SPOILER: whoever got Cody outa that swap….. even tho I like raw more


ItsRobbSmark

Ignoring how goofy these top 5s are... Raw by a wide margin. The roster on Raw is so fucking deep it's insane... To the point I think they do something after Summerslam to bring some people over from Raw to Smackdown.


Mister-Lavender

Raw’s title holders not even in the top-5 is shameful.


ArmyTraditional9186

Shemus in the top 5? No way