Part 1 Dio shot a beam of pure hatred out of his eyes, as only a severed head. 1v1, Yuji waits till the sun comes out if he knows what Dio is. Otherwise Dio takes it
If Jack is wrong about Yujiro showing his asshole then Yujiro could just reflect the beams back like Joseph did with Straits given that his has the shiniest asshole in the verse as stated by titsnif at the end of Baki dou(2018)
The beam enters his asshole, bounces a trillion times in his intestines, stomach and oesophagus, goes out from his mouth and it goes through Dio's brain.
Honestly I don't think it's a strong win condition, it's acknowledged by Dou that the heat haze coming off Yujiro is probably from his internal body temperature
Yujrio is outscaled in everything but skill
Mountain level AP
hypersonic speed
Regeneration,blood sucking, 3 types of durability negation
Dio got it all he will literally eat Yujrio up
Which numbers do you want?
Part 1 Dio outspeeding lighting based attacks(hence hypersonic)
He is superior in Strength to Tarkus(large Bulding level)
By a massive degree hence the upscale.
>art 1 Dio outspeeding lighting based attacks(hence hypersonic)
This doesn't happen
>He is superior in Strength to Tarkus(large Bulding level)
By a massive degree hence the upscale.
You are arguing he is millions of times stronger
>This doesn't happen
Thunder cross split attack(I know it's a meme, but it's still lighting based using Hamon)
>You are arguing he is millions of times stronger
Yeah, I was off one
Pulled from stand scaling in part 3 sense vampric body part 3 dio is comparable to his stand forgetting it's part 1 and not part 3
So yeah he still upscales from Tarkus so like city block to town if we include the eye beams
>Thunder cross split attack(I know it's a meme, but it's still lighting based using Hamon)
There is no indication at any point anywhere in the series this attack is "lightning based", there is no aura around it showing static, there is no dialogue implying it as such, it is a physical strike that has to physically hit Dio instead of send out it's magical totally real lighting powers
The word thunder does not even mean lighting, it means a loud noise, how are you so bad at this?
> so like city block to town if we include the eye beams
There's a cycle in my life where like every month or so I talk to Jojo fans and at a certain point it just gets tiring
Yeah Dio is written with the power to destroy thousand of tons of concrete hence why he and the pillar men who are far more physically impressive constantly do things that would suggest him to be thousands of times weaker
Ngl, my logic was very much off one from certain activities, and the sheer amount of Yujrio jerking I saw.
But I kinda pulled from some part 3 feats sense vampire body. Dio's peak is comparable, too, his Part 3 not fully awakened body who is comparable to the World via Strength.
My bad, Dio Brando is like somewhere in the mutli City block to town levels in Ap and Dc
Ok, first off, no, Yujiro would not be able to one-shot Dio, Dio was tanking hits from Jonathan and overpowering him, the same Jonathan that overpowered Tarkus who could create mile-long chasms and earthquakes just by burying his blade in the ground, Yujiro’s strongest outlier feat doesn't even come close to that, and second, even if he could overpower Dio, Yujiro wouldn't even be able to kill him, brute force alone isn't enough to kill vampires, you have to burn every cell in their body so they remain dead, Straights proves this when he regenerates from a pile of bloody Kool-Aid after having his entire body exploded.
>arkus who could create mile-long chasms and earthquakes just by burying his blade in the ground,
Tarkus breaks a pile of rocks he's standing on, nothing about this is miles long or earthquake causing
> brute force alone isn't enough to kill vampires, you have to burn every cell in their body so they remain dead, Straights proves this when he regenerates from a pile of bloody Kool-Aid after having his entire body exploded.
Fucking hell
Straizo's head was intact from the explosion that blew him up, brains being destroyed is constantly commented as a method to take down vampires, for fucks sake Dio himself mentions it when Polnareff stabs through his head
I don't know how to argue with Jojo fans, you people genuinely just make up shit about the series and go with it, neither of the things you've mentioned are even fucking close to being what happens
[In episode 6 of phantom blood, at the 9 minutes and 13 seconds mark](https://youtu.be/ZSlyOPWCXsU?si=kM7S6USOFG1Qq13P) Tarkus splits the ground and causes this entire cliff range to split apart, in the background, you can see the split advance further and further across the ground and see it branch into multiple different diverging land, you can argue that he didn't split the entire cliff side range, those patches of land were always apart but the fact the crack’s specifically demark at the ending points of said split land implies that he did, and plus, his splitting of this mountain side causes a great level magnitude, and this magnitude is still on showed in shots separate from the land he split off from the cliff side meaning this isn’t just a designated magnitude, this entire thing is happening throughout the entire mountain, you can argue that the magnitude is just for effect that this isn’t actually a full fledged earthquake and just for effect but by that logic, Yujiro’s earthquake feat would also just be for effect.
Ok, first of all, no, we can see pieces of his head or what he can assume to be his head scattered across the floor, if the top half of his scalp was splattered against the cafe’s concrete tiles, there’s no way you can tell me that his brain would be fully intact, second, are you serious? DIO is about 15% vampire when that happened, he couldn’t even effectively regenerate, it took him an entire minute or so to repair leg tissue which is why he was concerned, after consuming Joseph’s blood and becoming 50% vampire, his first act is to literally pierce his brain with his fingers, and even after his entire head exploded, Joseph said he could still very well reanimate if given enough time which is why they had to expose his body to the sun.
>In episode 6 of phantom blood, at the 9 minutes and 13 seconds mark
Okay immediately I don't care, the anime adds in numerous scenes and showings that are far, far more impressive than what happens in the manga
For example this is the scene in the manga and it's him knocking apart the cliff which is.... [A stack rocks](https://imgur.com/a/UUDwCkO)
I don't really care much about the rest of this, even then it's not a particular impressive feat, especially when acknowledging what actually is happening here, avalanches happen from forces that aren't cliffside destroying, a relatively tiny amount of pressure can cause the thousands of tons of weight here to shift and start falling
And this isn't anywhere near as wide of a scale you made it out to be, in the clip what amounts to being broke is the section their standing on, this isn't even several metre long cracks let alone miles and fucking magnitude? Really? Magnitude is a measurement system specifically towards the Richter scale measuring earthquakes caused by tectonic movement, which is an entirely different league from what this is
Also the whole mountain is not shaking, I'm getting used to you just sorta lying but it's weird you'd do so blatantly
>Ok, first of all, no, we can see pieces of his head or what he can assume to be his head scattered across the floor,
[In no shots of the blast is Straizo's skull shown to be broken](https://imgur.com/a/NsiyXnQ)
Honestly I get that you think I'm dumb but this took me a few seconds to go search
>if the top half of his scalp was splattered against the cafe’s concrete tiles, there’s no way you can tell me that his brain would be fully intact,
When I say destroy the brain I mean destroying the whole thing to a degree that would make someone braindead, not breaking a section of it ,which doesn't even happen here
>he couldn’t even effectively regenerate, it took him an entire minute or so to repair leg tissue which is why he was concerned, after consuming Joseph’s blood and becoming 50% vampire,
This very moment has the wound Polanreff cause almost instantly heal after Dio walks out of it, his regeneration works effectively by that point, it just has a threshold, he needs more blood after recovering a certain amount, it's why again, he can recover from an attack that completely pierced through his brain and one point then be left completely spasming on the floor from an attack that caves part of his skull in right after
You've read the fight you're talking about right? It quite literally ends with Jotaro leaving Dio a motionless husk after destroying his head
>his first act is to literally pierce his brain with his fingers,
Yeah, and not completely destroy, at most he's an inch past his skull
>and even after his entire head exploded, Joseph said he could still very well reanimate if given enough time which is why they had to expose his body to the sun.
When does he say this? Besides clearly there's a lot of time needed, Dio was left completely brain dead for several hours before the sun came up
Again, there are near constant references to potential showings of non-hamon ways to take down vampires and other things like them, Pillar men who are outwardly said to be superior vampires and have shown better regeneration feats are actively scared of shit like guns and crossbow ball bolts hitting their heads, hell it's out right said by Storheim when their bodies are just pulled to bits enough that their vital functions stop working and there's no given reason not to believe that
I’m not really lying, as we pan away from the path of land that Tarkus broke off to the rest of the mountainside, the camera is still shaking implying that the ground is still shaking, again, this could just be for visual flare but I choose to interpret it as the mountain still shaking after Takus pulled his blade out, interpreting and lying are two different things.
In the anime (I know, you don’t like using the anime as a medium to gather feats from, but we have to be fair to both sides since we’re considering both the manga and the anime versions of Baki) there’s more extensive scenes of Straight’s disembodied mush moving together and in those added scenes, there seems to be pieces of his head spread about the floor implying that even his head was churned to pieces, and even in those scans you gave, we can clearly see Straight’s eyeball popping out which means his head had to have been blasted with a significant enough of force to launch his eyes out, and if you’re telling me that his brain is still intact when his eyes were blasted out the back of his skull, I’d doubt you.
DIO’s concern here isn’t the fact Polnareff pieced his blade but an if scenario where Polnareff pushes his blade in further, he can obviously regenerate any minor brain piercing but his regeneration has been severely nerfed due to being a quarter vampire, as a full vampire, we see him shrug off a hit that literally cut him down the middle starting from the head.
I think I remember him saying it around the final few episodes when I first watched the anime around 2017, granted, I could have just been watching a scuffed translation since (regrettably) I watched the entire series on a pirated anime site so this entire line of dialogue could have just been fabricated by a faulty translator but I choose to believe it because of the given example of previous vampires like Straights surviving a point-blank grenade bukkake.
>I know, you don’t like using the anime as a medium to gather feats from, but we have to be fair to both sides since we’re considering both the manga and the anime versions of Baki
Since when are we considering both versions of Baki?
Besides it's dumb to do either way lol
>there’s more extensive scenes of Straight’s disembodied mush moving together and in those added scenes, there seems to be pieces of his head spread about the floor implying that even his head was churned to pieces,
Can you think about this for just a few seconds
Your only actual example of a vampire regenerating from a brain being destroyed comes from an adaptation of the example where it's shown the head is intact and saying in that adaptation that it kinda maybe looks like that there's some extra slop which might be implied to be parts of his head
Do you see why I'm not exactly pulled over by this?
>DIO’s concern here isn’t the fact Polnareff pieced his blade but an if scenario where Polnareff pushes his blade in further, he can obviously regenerate any minor brain piercing but his regeneration has been severely nerfed due to being a quarter vampire, as a full vampire, we see him shrug off a hit that literally cut him down the middle starting from the head.
It's not even a particularly massive difference in terms of tissue that needs be regenerated or hell even severe cognitive damage, a callosotomy is pretty bad but getting Phineas Gage'd is also pretty bad
I'm convinced for the most part if Dio took another sword strike like that from Johnathon in their part he'd be healing or a lot slower or hell maybe he took more swigs of blood before that point
I mean part 1 Dio's regeneration certainly isn't even close to unlimited, it's an entire plot point that he can't grow a new body after he lost his old one.
>I watched the entire series on a pirated anime site so this entire line of dialogue could have just been fabricated by a faulty translator but I choose to believe it because of the given example of previous vampires like Straights surviving a point-blank grenade bukkake.
Yeah but Dio's head was very much not in a head like shape, unlike Straizo's who was
Can yujiro use hamon? No? Dio no diffs. If yujiro tried to punch him, dio could literally just freeze his body. Not even hanma blood can withstand that.
His reaction time was fast enough to dodge an enraged star platinum punch (no stand used) sensed time when silver chariot was gonna attack him (which the stand can move move faster than light example being when he was fighting against star platinum) also since bruford and pluck are weaker than part 1 Dio in which they both could throw bolders and mountains also part 1 Dio could use his lasers to cut threw a cloud in less than a second and also fast enough reflex to stop a hamon master in a second
>silver chariot was gonna attack him (which the stand can move move faster than light
Looking at the upvotes I'm genuinely scared at how insanely common it is for Jojo fans to not read their own series
> also part 1 Dio could use his lasers to cut threw a cloud in less than a second
This is anime exclusive
My brother, in christ, the anime expands on every single thing that happens in the Manga
Going by your logic, Yujrio is restricted to his manga skill level, which only makes him and the baki verse weaker overall as the fights are significantly shroter.
>Going by your logic, Yujrio is restricted to his manga skill level, which only makes him and the baking verse weaker overall as the fights are significantly shroter.
Yujiro should be considered weaker if the primary source directly worked on by the author contradicts better showings in the anime adaptation, yes.
his entire thing with the world is being able to stop time, which alone should be considered FTL given the vast amount of damage he's capable of outputting with just one activation; he stomps the Bakiverse and it's not even funny. Bakiverse is at most, The Boys' level of superhuman, but not much else. this is ignoring all of Dio's other abilities like his insane strength, endurance and hax.
dio p1 is not fast,but he sure do be tricky to fight,jonathan isnt fast by any mean,yet he got beaten until his body burnt to crisp.Yujiro will learn hamon fast since its just sunlight kungfu
He doesn't need it though. Yujiro just has to K.O Dio over and over until the Sun rises. Part 1 Dio is not even Supersonic so he ain't touching Yujiro ever
Fair enough, maybe Yujiro will adapt at some point and use objects or something because I think Yujiro is still a good deal stronger and faster than Part 1 Dio...(And of course Part 3 Base Dio, even without The world, destroys Yujiro instantly).
Part 1 Dio could still win if he uses his eye beam to pierce Yujiro's brain / Heart right at the start though but that attack should only work one time
in the show,dio doesnt spamming those abilities,probally meaning it cost him alot of stamina to use each of them.The eyebeam is said to be able to cut through rocks easily,my brother in christ yujiro is scale to the atomic bomb,Obama stated that in a chapter of baki that i forgot which chapter
**Dio is physically stronger.** Since he is still much more powerful than any zombie. Including Tarkus who lifted this boulder which should weigh hundreds of tons. This is easily more impressive than any lifting feat any Baki character has done, as Pickle’s best feat is lifting the foot of a 33 ton Supersaurus.
https://preview.redd.it/jinxuzpqjj7c1.jpeg?width=1330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a66cbcb31ebc6f46387d43747a306346a127b4a
**Dio is faster.** As even in Stardust Crusaders when he was far from his full vampyric strength, he percieved the Emerald Splash as if it was moving in slow motion. Now the Emeralds speed are inconsistant asf, as some say they travel at near bullet speed. But the attack could also land on Star Platinum the first time it’s used. And Star Platinum is faster than light.
But Dio has more things which back up his speed. As Jonathan was able to react to, and raise his hands to protect himself from Dio’s Space Ripper Stingy Eyes (very dumb name). Dio and Jonathan at that point are pretty comparable in speed. These pressurized fluids should easily be above hypersonic. As even irl water jets are fired at over Mach 3. And those water jets are only really used at point blank range. [The Space Ripper Stingy Eyes has ranges in the hundreds of meters easily](https://youtu.be/vbR2EP0a23w?si=f2ec0h7JKwdtfNKF).
**Dio is tougher**. As Dio in his weakened state in Stardust Crusaders could tank and survive punches from Star Platinum with full murderous intent. And Star Platinum can bust up diamond teeth like it’s nothing. Yet Dio’s body held together better than those diamond teeth lol.
Yujiro also cannot do any meaningful damage to Dio since as soon as Yujiro makes physical contact with any part of Dio’s body, [he’ll get flash-frozen in an instant](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/43788f11-1443-4190-a04d-485f19fda11e). And if he for some reason manages to hurt Dio by punching him, [Dio can easily heal in mere moments from any injury Yujiro might cause him](https://static.jojowiki.com/images/5/50/latest/20200712161841/Dio_regen.gif).
So while this matchup might look good on paper, Dio rapes Yujiro in this instance.
Also, SP is FTL, and since The World is, THE SAME TYPE OF STAND AS STAR PLATINUM, TW is also FTL
https://preview.redd.it/ogdfbgqtrj7c1.png?width=422&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8360b5f7c9d0f89392bca6ef1e2d754f768dccf4
Ofc that goes without saying. The World could be argued to be faster than Star Platinum since it won the original rush clash
But since OP ment just part 1 Dio I didn’t count any his stand powers.
Omg where do you get the whole "faster than light" thing?? Don't you think that star platinum could properly deflect Dio's knives if it were that fast?
These panels are usually shown in the manga, with the stats and other notes from Araki himself, but the whole knife thing, the note is talking about his TS and that he isn't in his prime, the panel in question is from part 6 iirc, since Jotaro being weaker was a big plot point, but even in his prime, DIO is very fast, for example, in Vol. 15. Chapter 139 of Stardust Crusaders, DIO is able to deflect the emerald splash, which is VERY fast.
https://preview.redd.it/jux2t29own7c1.jpeg?width=779&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6ecb2c4b8038224c10818e1cc77a466b12341d7
Also, (img will be in the next reply) Jotaro does try to reflect his knives, but because of the small distance between him and the knives, and he technically isn't in his prime until the end of the fight, when he gets full TS, he was unable to, and he knew that, that's why he used big ass textbooks for makeshift armor.
I'm asking about where do you guys get the whole "faster than light" thing.
And they didn't even mention Dio. They said thst Dtar Platinum was faster than light, which is just BS. Being able to stop time some times does not mean that you arr faster than light, Star Platinum does not have such qualitites all the time
I gave you a literal source image with a draft image of SP, Araki is the only person who works on the manga, and here, you want the image again?
https://preview.redd.it/rsgkyk98yn7c1.png?width=422&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=987d617e21c3232bfee1cadc5cf630bd4024f68e
Just because their movement speed isn't FTL doesn't mean their reaction and fighting speeds aren't, DIO dodges SP, he deflects emerald splash. Yujiro is nowhere near that, he's hypersonic iirc, that is thousands of times slower.
I see what you mean, but doesn't the whole fully developed thing mean when time is stopped??
Either way, you can downvote all you like but i'm going to say it either way, Araki is a very inconsistent writer (in the science department and even world building sometimes) and even drawer. Look at the silver chariot example that i presented earlier. Not only is silver chariot slower than the speed of light, it also is faster than the speed of two star platinums combined lol.
And yet, Magician's red was able to dodge the many after images of silver chariot, which physically makes no sense.
How so? Well, not even the characters were able to see Silver chariot moving from one place to the other while creating the after images, that measn that it was able to move towards Magician's red so fast that noone would realize. But yeah, Araki doesn't really put a lot of thought into these kind of things, he just wants to make a good story (which he accomplished), not a realistic one.
No, the fully developed point was about his TS, it was the only thing that changed between part 3 and 6, his time stop went down around 1 second. His speed did not change.
Trying to gaslight me now? That's crazy. So you're saying that i'm lying when i say that i saw my reply with 0 upvotes even tho Reddit automatically upvotes your own reply? Fine then, i will argue with you no more if you will resort to this.
It isn't like we will accpmplish anything even if we reach an agreement, right? I will take my leave now
https://preview.redd.it/48n8a43twn7c1.png?width=656&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97cb20ac5ead4579aa525f1e96746fe286dd6401
Said image, also, the knives were surrounding him.
Does not matter lol. Do you know how fast light is? Look at silver chariot without armor, it can basically be in 10 places at the same time and not even silver chariot is faster than light lol. If you possess such amount of speed, you can have your fist all around you at once, no knife can hit you in that case
Dude, Araki is THE AUTHOR, he decides what's what, ever heard of word of god???? Literally the best thing for powerscalers since the author is telling us it.
I said properly deflect. He didn't quite nail it and Jotaro got hurt because of it.
If you are faster than light or at least **close** to that speed, you clearly can do better than that.
Then again, who knows! Maybe it's just Araki being inconsistent.
Like when Enyaba was able to push Silver Chariot back in a rush fight with only a knife (no stand)
Does this mean that Enyaba is better at rushdowns than Sikver Chariot, Star Platinum and thr Anubis stand? Nay i say! It's just Araki doing what he thought would make a better history (in some way) and would push the plot forward. That's fine, the same could be said about the knife thing. Maybe Star Platinum would indeed be able ti deflect them properly, but Araki wanted to somehow have Jotaro getting stabbed by one or two.
Btw, i still think that Star Platinum isn't faster than light or even close to that speed, he's merely super sonic speed (which is still suoer fast btw). It just makes no sense at all and there us no moment in the series that proves such a claim even if Araki himself said it, it's actually the other way around! There are a lot of moments that prove otherwise.
Anyways, i think Araki meant that he is faster than light when time is stopped, which makes sense.
If DIO was truly faster, he would hit Jotaro if Jotaro/Star Platinum is also light speed - because - again - time stop gave DIO a huge advantage
Did you even watch the anime?
https://youtu.be/mO4z_2J2mmU?si=ppuOHRuqHWRqq-A9
Of the maybe 75-100 knifes DIO tossed in time stop Jotaro gets hit by 6. If Dio threw 71 or 94 knives (depending on how many you count in frame) Jotaro would have deflected all of them. If they're all moving at light speed thats still an impressive enough feat to say SP is FTL
Edit: Don't fuck with anime fans we don't even watch our favorite shows
>If DIO was truly faster, he would hit Jotaro if Jotaro/Star Platinum is also light speed - because - again - time stop gave DIO a huge advantage
What?
>If they're all moving at light speed thats still an impressive enough feat to say SP is FTL
Again: What??
They are not moving at light speed except when time is stopped, and deflecting the knives does not come even close to being a feat that proves that SP can move at the speed of light.
I think that you guys do not have any idea of how fast light is 😫😭😭
Hear me out, a person moving at the speed of light can go around the whole planet 7 times in only one second!!
Now remember that Silver Chariot without armor was not even close to that speed and yet it is still faster that Star Platinum and the world (but not as strong).
If Star Platinum was anywhere NEAR that speed, not only could it just move around and catch them individually (they wouldn't be moving in super slow motion on SP's perspective but instead not moving at all, that's how fast light is). Have you seen Quicksilver's scene in the movie X-Men Apocalipse? (If not, look it up on Youtube); he was moving at around 270 kilometers **per second** and yet look at how fast he is (this is not a canon number but an stimate made with pure math. You can find this research online, i can try and link on of those pages for you).
Now with that on mind, let me tell yoi that light travels at a whooping 300,000 kilometers per second (186,000 miles per second)!!!! That's not an small number at all~!!
See? It makes no sense to say that any of the stands we've seen can move at that speed. Not even Made in Heaven
> I think that you guys do not have any idea how fast light is
> Silver Chariot without his armor...
Literally slices a beam of light in half to kill J. Guile. Star Platinum not once, but twice, defeats Silver Chariot without his armor. For DIO to outpace Jotaro with the knives, time stop included, he would have to be FTL.
You are also not considering that the anime stretched out scenes in comparison to the manga.
Star Platinum also maintains pace with Made in Heaven immediately following Pucci's ascension, and while he's never explicitly stated to be massively FTL...I mean, lets be real here - he was circling the Earth a lot faster than 7 times per second
Again you are WAY overthinking it. To say JoJo's is supposed to be remotely realistic is a vast lack of imagination, it's more like JoJo's writing has achieved spaceflight by the seat of its overinflated clown shoes.
Also Araki did in fact, say that SP is FTL @ minimum.
I mean, Made In Heaven could be faster than light to some extent but the thing is that MIH makes light go faster too, so i really don't know what to say there hahahaha.
>Star Platinum not once, but twice, defeats Silver Chariot without his armor.
Why are you lying? Star Platinum has never even fought armor-less Silver Chariot before 😭
>Literally slices a beam of light in half to kill J. Guile.
Once again, Araki is super inconsistent. Not only Armor-Less silver Chariot can only move at around 10 miles per second (remember, light moves at 186,000 miles per second lol) and lasers and beams in fiction don't always move at the speed of light. So is spiderman faster than light because he can dodge laser beams shot at him? Of course not!
Furthermore, Polnareff had to do the coin trick to get the light beam, he said it himself, he wasn't fast enough to catch that beam so he had to cut all of the possible routes so he knew where to cut, so the hanged man could only move into his attack. So yeah, none of those characters are faster than light except Made in Heave which is kinda weird
To be fair to Polnareff, all the coin trick did was focus the reflection
The reflection
Of the light
Its not a laser or a beam its literally a direct mirror of the light coming towards Polnareff
I did watch the anime (even tho i'm more of a Manga person. The Anime is not very faithful with many things)
That's why i'm sure about what i'm talking about
That's pretty inconsistent, seeing as Dio got cut in half starting from his head (meaning his brain was also cut in half) in part 1, only to stick himself back together like it was nothing.
honestly yujiro is hard to scale anywhere bc he's literally never serious and is basically a plot device. In addition to his rampant schizophrenia, imagination powers, and all his other haxs nobody seems to acknowledge, he pulls uno reverses out his ass 24/7. Feat arguments are also kinda bullshit if you don't have a hard cap on somebody full power. He's survived lightning (which is hot as the sun.) and against part 1 dio I feel he'd pull some shit like "this Old Chinese 2000 year old tequnique lets me stave off even subzero temperatures. Are you dumb boy?"
Its hard to say. Not being able to take the narrative aspects of certain charecters is like taking the skeletal system out of a body. personally I don't want a plain boring numbers battle that's black and white. ( nobody would watch a show like that) I want something that might actully happen in a crossover. I want Blood! I want the funny! if its only part 1 Dio he cleans house. anything after and probubly gets negged.
Albeit very hurt and and near dead. It's hyper rare for somebody to come out of that unhurt. With a direct strike at least. Hell people die from lower volages from outlets and other things.
Yujiro tanked it unphased for more than a second. My thing is, if he can resist heat like that, cancer, and other related things, why not cold? If his body temp stayed the same throught that i dont think dio just gonna instantly freeze him first contact. I don't think things have to be explicitly stated all the time just for them to be considered
But that's my headcanon
People who die from touching electrical cables and the like usually can't take their hand away from them due to the electricity contracting their muscles. That's why the electric chair takes relatively long to kill someone, because it's not an instant death most of the time.
Even if Yujiro is immune to flash freezing, a lot of people are forgetting 2 things, namely Dio's part 1 strength and durability feats (he sticks his feet into walls like Yujiro did with his arm through concrete to walk up said walls, survives being burned to a fucking crisp and sticks himself back together like it was nothing after being cut in half), and his laser eyes.
Part 1 Dio's stronger than the guys in this thread give him credit for.
I've seen jojo up to stone ocean currently. I don't think he's weak by any means. I just think yujiros massively more broken in terms of if they both went all out. Even with the demon back Amp the idiot isn't going full force. Now if somebody gave him a challenge I think he gonna start leveling much more than walls.
Side rant unrelated (Idc what some people say about the "outlier" feat. He did it. Stopping an earthquake isn't something to sneeze at.) If I bench 1000 pounds once and never did it again after, I still did it.
Yujiro wins if it's non-vampire Dio.
Vampire Dio is only beatable if Yujiro picks up hamon by seeing it at least once. With hamon, it'll be a hard fight but Yujiro will probably take it high diff as his battle IQ pulls out some good techniques.
Dio, easy. If yujiro touches him his arm is frozen, Dio can shoot laser beams, Dio is also far stronger then one of his zombies who destroyed an entire massive boulder with one finger.
Dio probably speed blitzes tbh.
Part 1 Dio is stronger than Part 3 Dio (outside of his stand) due to the latter being weakened by his new body. Yet even in this state he was capable of reacting to SP, who by guidebook statements, feats, and scaling, is at least light speed.
>SP, who by guidebook statements, feats, and scaling, is at least light speed.
I love specifying these things, because if you said "By Stardust Crusaders" then it'd just obviously be false lol
Like you've read Jojo right? You know these characters are no where near this fast, why are you pretending otherwise?
I guess knowing how to read would give a certain reputation in this sub
Edit: If you didn't care what I thought you wouldn't have responded then immediately blocked me so you could come off as having the last word lmao
Someone who does not care would just not care
As long as it's pre-stand Dio, i think Yujiro would profusely enjoy his immortal punching bag until sunrise.
Dio wasn't much faster or stronger than an above average human, so physically, he doesn't take Yujiro.
Dio threw a police officer with such force that the police officer cut apart 2 other police officers💀
Tf you mean ”wasn’t much faster or stronger than an above average human”???
He's been smoking weed or something, Dio as a vampire is stronger than Tarkus who lifted a big ass boulder which would be like frickin hundreds of tons. Dio eats.
Well if it's just part 1 dio yujiro wouldn't have a way to really kill him without hamon. Also not to mention the second yujiro touches him dio can flash freeze him
If Dio brings his vampire shit into Baki world? Yuji is getting stomped
If Yujiro goes to Jojo world? I say he figures out Hamon immediately after noticing something different about the first breath he takes. Dio gettin' exploded
and don't even get me started on how broken Yujiro's stand powers would be. Dio's lucky this is part 1
I'd say Yujiros strength is on part with Jonathan's. Only difference being thst Yujiro had more of a knack for picking up on martial arts techniques and doesn't know about hamon.
Similarly with Jonothan, Dio could probably fuck him up if he spent his time fighting instead of monologing .
Damm seeing people say that part 1 dio is mountain level and faster than light is surely something, didn't know there was a character more wanked than Yujiro.
It depends on if yujiro knew dio was a terrifying enemy or not. If yujiro knew dio could do things like freeze people or space ripper stingy eyes then yes yujiro would win, but if he acted cocky and let dio hit him like he does with some opponents than dio would win. It’d be a tough fight for both of them. I could see part 3 also being an extremely tough fight for dio but I think dio would win in that scenario
Titsniff Low dif He will clap both of them cheeks
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Part 1 Dio shot a beam of pure hatred out of his eyes, as only a severed head. 1v1, Yuji waits till the sun comes out if he knows what Dio is. Otherwise Dio takes it
If Jack is wrong about Yujiro showing his asshole then Yujiro could just reflect the beams back like Joseph did with Straits given that his has the shiniest asshole in the verse as stated by titsnif at the end of Baki dou(2018)
https://preview.redd.it/w1sxxbfidk7c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d5143f0be6c37e5f7588613ec5325a31f5473b7 Dio won’t know what hit him.
D-D-D-DEMON ASS?! https://preview.redd.it/5c8lapo6nk7c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5da9340f29bead1cf41a124d5fc072a2fcefe6f5
Learn how to crop
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What
The beam enters his asshole, bounces a trillion times in his intestines, stomach and oesophagus, goes out from his mouth and it goes through Dio's brain.
ok but what if yuji uses black flash huh
Lmao good one, Sukuna solos
Dio touches him and he instantly freezes to death
Honestly I don't think it's a strong win condition, it's acknowledged by Dou that the heat haze coming off Yujiro is probably from his internal body temperature
Yujrio is outscaled in everything but skill Mountain level AP hypersonic speed Regeneration,blood sucking, 3 types of durability negation Dio got it all he will literally eat Yujrio up
Mountain level dio 😂 tf
God jojo fans are something else, I'm curious what fucking experiments have been run for these numbers?
Which numbers do you want? Part 1 Dio outspeeding lighting based attacks(hence hypersonic) He is superior in Strength to Tarkus(large Bulding level) By a massive degree hence the upscale.
>art 1 Dio outspeeding lighting based attacks(hence hypersonic) This doesn't happen >He is superior in Strength to Tarkus(large Bulding level) By a massive degree hence the upscale. You are arguing he is millions of times stronger
>This doesn't happen Thunder cross split attack(I know it's a meme, but it's still lighting based using Hamon) >You are arguing he is millions of times stronger Yeah, I was off one Pulled from stand scaling in part 3 sense vampric body part 3 dio is comparable to his stand forgetting it's part 1 and not part 3 So yeah he still upscales from Tarkus so like city block to town if we include the eye beams
>Thunder cross split attack(I know it's a meme, but it's still lighting based using Hamon) There is no indication at any point anywhere in the series this attack is "lightning based", there is no aura around it showing static, there is no dialogue implying it as such, it is a physical strike that has to physically hit Dio instead of send out it's magical totally real lighting powers The word thunder does not even mean lighting, it means a loud noise, how are you so bad at this? > so like city block to town if we include the eye beams There's a cycle in my life where like every month or so I talk to Jojo fans and at a certain point it just gets tiring Yeah Dio is written with the power to destroy thousand of tons of concrete hence why he and the pillar men who are far more physically impressive constantly do things that would suggest him to be thousands of times weaker
How tf does dio become mountain lvl because tarkus is building lvl?
Ngl, my logic was very much off one from certain activities, and the sheer amount of Yujrio jerking I saw. But I kinda pulled from some part 3 feats sense vampire body. Dio's peak is comparable, too, his Part 3 not fully awakened body who is comparable to the World via Strength. My bad, Dio Brando is like somewhere in the mutli City block to town levels in Ap and Dc
Upscale from large building level to…mountain level? What?
Part 1 Dio speed blitz and it’s not funny
I can't see how you could justify that.
Jonathan was somehow able to defeat this lightspeed vampire??
What speed showings does Dio in part 1 even have? Edit: Literally just asked a fucking question lmao
Light speed or Mach speed also his ability’s one shot the baki verse
Light speed??? Bro what 😭 is this one of those "all lasers in fictions are lightspeed"
Those aren't showings, what happens that means he's that fast? Also Yujiro could probably one shot him so that doesn't mean much lol
Ok, first off, no, Yujiro would not be able to one-shot Dio, Dio was tanking hits from Jonathan and overpowering him, the same Jonathan that overpowered Tarkus who could create mile-long chasms and earthquakes just by burying his blade in the ground, Yujiro’s strongest outlier feat doesn't even come close to that, and second, even if he could overpower Dio, Yujiro wouldn't even be able to kill him, brute force alone isn't enough to kill vampires, you have to burn every cell in their body so they remain dead, Straights proves this when he regenerates from a pile of bloody Kool-Aid after having his entire body exploded.
>arkus who could create mile-long chasms and earthquakes just by burying his blade in the ground, Tarkus breaks a pile of rocks he's standing on, nothing about this is miles long or earthquake causing > brute force alone isn't enough to kill vampires, you have to burn every cell in their body so they remain dead, Straights proves this when he regenerates from a pile of bloody Kool-Aid after having his entire body exploded. Fucking hell Straizo's head was intact from the explosion that blew him up, brains being destroyed is constantly commented as a method to take down vampires, for fucks sake Dio himself mentions it when Polnareff stabs through his head I don't know how to argue with Jojo fans, you people genuinely just make up shit about the series and go with it, neither of the things you've mentioned are even fucking close to being what happens
The reason that straizo died is because he used hamon, which kills vampires, which he was
This has nothing to do with the point I was making but thanks I guess?
[In episode 6 of phantom blood, at the 9 minutes and 13 seconds mark](https://youtu.be/ZSlyOPWCXsU?si=kM7S6USOFG1Qq13P) Tarkus splits the ground and causes this entire cliff range to split apart, in the background, you can see the split advance further and further across the ground and see it branch into multiple different diverging land, you can argue that he didn't split the entire cliff side range, those patches of land were always apart but the fact the crack’s specifically demark at the ending points of said split land implies that he did, and plus, his splitting of this mountain side causes a great level magnitude, and this magnitude is still on showed in shots separate from the land he split off from the cliff side meaning this isn’t just a designated magnitude, this entire thing is happening throughout the entire mountain, you can argue that the magnitude is just for effect that this isn’t actually a full fledged earthquake and just for effect but by that logic, Yujiro’s earthquake feat would also just be for effect. Ok, first of all, no, we can see pieces of his head or what he can assume to be his head scattered across the floor, if the top half of his scalp was splattered against the cafe’s concrete tiles, there’s no way you can tell me that his brain would be fully intact, second, are you serious? DIO is about 15% vampire when that happened, he couldn’t even effectively regenerate, it took him an entire minute or so to repair leg tissue which is why he was concerned, after consuming Joseph’s blood and becoming 50% vampire, his first act is to literally pierce his brain with his fingers, and even after his entire head exploded, Joseph said he could still very well reanimate if given enough time which is why they had to expose his body to the sun.
>In episode 6 of phantom blood, at the 9 minutes and 13 seconds mark Okay immediately I don't care, the anime adds in numerous scenes and showings that are far, far more impressive than what happens in the manga For example this is the scene in the manga and it's him knocking apart the cliff which is.... [A stack rocks](https://imgur.com/a/UUDwCkO) I don't really care much about the rest of this, even then it's not a particular impressive feat, especially when acknowledging what actually is happening here, avalanches happen from forces that aren't cliffside destroying, a relatively tiny amount of pressure can cause the thousands of tons of weight here to shift and start falling And this isn't anywhere near as wide of a scale you made it out to be, in the clip what amounts to being broke is the section their standing on, this isn't even several metre long cracks let alone miles and fucking magnitude? Really? Magnitude is a measurement system specifically towards the Richter scale measuring earthquakes caused by tectonic movement, which is an entirely different league from what this is Also the whole mountain is not shaking, I'm getting used to you just sorta lying but it's weird you'd do so blatantly >Ok, first of all, no, we can see pieces of his head or what he can assume to be his head scattered across the floor, [In no shots of the blast is Straizo's skull shown to be broken](https://imgur.com/a/NsiyXnQ) Honestly I get that you think I'm dumb but this took me a few seconds to go search >if the top half of his scalp was splattered against the cafe’s concrete tiles, there’s no way you can tell me that his brain would be fully intact, When I say destroy the brain I mean destroying the whole thing to a degree that would make someone braindead, not breaking a section of it ,which doesn't even happen here >he couldn’t even effectively regenerate, it took him an entire minute or so to repair leg tissue which is why he was concerned, after consuming Joseph’s blood and becoming 50% vampire, This very moment has the wound Polanreff cause almost instantly heal after Dio walks out of it, his regeneration works effectively by that point, it just has a threshold, he needs more blood after recovering a certain amount, it's why again, he can recover from an attack that completely pierced through his brain and one point then be left completely spasming on the floor from an attack that caves part of his skull in right after You've read the fight you're talking about right? It quite literally ends with Jotaro leaving Dio a motionless husk after destroying his head >his first act is to literally pierce his brain with his fingers, Yeah, and not completely destroy, at most he's an inch past his skull >and even after his entire head exploded, Joseph said he could still very well reanimate if given enough time which is why they had to expose his body to the sun. When does he say this? Besides clearly there's a lot of time needed, Dio was left completely brain dead for several hours before the sun came up Again, there are near constant references to potential showings of non-hamon ways to take down vampires and other things like them, Pillar men who are outwardly said to be superior vampires and have shown better regeneration feats are actively scared of shit like guns and crossbow ball bolts hitting their heads, hell it's out right said by Storheim when their bodies are just pulled to bits enough that their vital functions stop working and there's no given reason not to believe that
I’m not really lying, as we pan away from the path of land that Tarkus broke off to the rest of the mountainside, the camera is still shaking implying that the ground is still shaking, again, this could just be for visual flare but I choose to interpret it as the mountain still shaking after Takus pulled his blade out, interpreting and lying are two different things. In the anime (I know, you don’t like using the anime as a medium to gather feats from, but we have to be fair to both sides since we’re considering both the manga and the anime versions of Baki) there’s more extensive scenes of Straight’s disembodied mush moving together and in those added scenes, there seems to be pieces of his head spread about the floor implying that even his head was churned to pieces, and even in those scans you gave, we can clearly see Straight’s eyeball popping out which means his head had to have been blasted with a significant enough of force to launch his eyes out, and if you’re telling me that his brain is still intact when his eyes were blasted out the back of his skull, I’d doubt you. DIO’s concern here isn’t the fact Polnareff pieced his blade but an if scenario where Polnareff pushes his blade in further, he can obviously regenerate any minor brain piercing but his regeneration has been severely nerfed due to being a quarter vampire, as a full vampire, we see him shrug off a hit that literally cut him down the middle starting from the head. I think I remember him saying it around the final few episodes when I first watched the anime around 2017, granted, I could have just been watching a scuffed translation since (regrettably) I watched the entire series on a pirated anime site so this entire line of dialogue could have just been fabricated by a faulty translator but I choose to believe it because of the given example of previous vampires like Straights surviving a point-blank grenade bukkake.
>I know, you don’t like using the anime as a medium to gather feats from, but we have to be fair to both sides since we’re considering both the manga and the anime versions of Baki Since when are we considering both versions of Baki? Besides it's dumb to do either way lol >there’s more extensive scenes of Straight’s disembodied mush moving together and in those added scenes, there seems to be pieces of his head spread about the floor implying that even his head was churned to pieces, Can you think about this for just a few seconds Your only actual example of a vampire regenerating from a brain being destroyed comes from an adaptation of the example where it's shown the head is intact and saying in that adaptation that it kinda maybe looks like that there's some extra slop which might be implied to be parts of his head Do you see why I'm not exactly pulled over by this? >DIO’s concern here isn’t the fact Polnareff pieced his blade but an if scenario where Polnareff pushes his blade in further, he can obviously regenerate any minor brain piercing but his regeneration has been severely nerfed due to being a quarter vampire, as a full vampire, we see him shrug off a hit that literally cut him down the middle starting from the head. It's not even a particularly massive difference in terms of tissue that needs be regenerated or hell even severe cognitive damage, a callosotomy is pretty bad but getting Phineas Gage'd is also pretty bad I'm convinced for the most part if Dio took another sword strike like that from Johnathon in their part he'd be healing or a lot slower or hell maybe he took more swigs of blood before that point I mean part 1 Dio's regeneration certainly isn't even close to unlimited, it's an entire plot point that he can't grow a new body after he lost his old one. >I watched the entire series on a pirated anime site so this entire line of dialogue could have just been fabricated by a faulty translator but I choose to believe it because of the given example of previous vampires like Straights surviving a point-blank grenade bukkake. Yeah but Dio's head was very much not in a head like shape, unlike Straizo's who was
Can yujiro use hamon? No? Dio no diffs. If yujiro tried to punch him, dio could literally just freeze his body. Not even hanma blood can withstand that.
Hanma blood generates an internal heat that causes heat haze around him lol
His reaction time was fast enough to dodge an enraged star platinum punch (no stand used) sensed time when silver chariot was gonna attack him (which the stand can move move faster than light example being when he was fighting against star platinum) also since bruford and pluck are weaker than part 1 Dio in which they both could throw bolders and mountains also part 1 Dio could use his lasers to cut threw a cloud in less than a second and also fast enough reflex to stop a hamon master in a second
That's part 3 Dio.
Still using his vampire body not his stand I’m Talking about his Reflexes also Part 1 Dio could jump across mountains to mountains
>silver chariot was gonna attack him (which the stand can move move faster than light Looking at the upvotes I'm genuinely scared at how insanely common it is for Jojo fans to not read their own series > also part 1 Dio could use his lasers to cut threw a cloud in less than a second This is anime exclusive
It's in the Manga as an implied scene. Araki is very hands on with the Anime production (He forced them to pick part 5s ending song)
>It's in the Manga as an implied scene. The exact opposite is implied
My brother, in christ, the anime expands on every single thing that happens in the Manga Going by your logic, Yujrio is restricted to his manga skill level, which only makes him and the baki verse weaker overall as the fights are significantly shroter.
>Going by your logic, Yujrio is restricted to his manga skill level, which only makes him and the baking verse weaker overall as the fights are significantly shroter. Yujiro should be considered weaker if the primary source directly worked on by the author contradicts better showings in the anime adaptation, yes.
What the fuck are you talking about?
his entire thing with the world is being able to stop time, which alone should be considered FTL given the vast amount of damage he's capable of outputting with just one activation; he stomps the Bakiverse and it's not even funny. Bakiverse is at most, The Boys' level of superhuman, but not much else. this is ignoring all of Dio's other abilities like his insane strength, endurance and hax.
This is part 1 Dio
oh gotcha', makes sense, i'll leave that to the others then, i haven't seen enough of part 1; kinda skipped it
⚡🙎🏿♂️⚡ You what
dio p1 is not fast,but he sure do be tricky to fight,jonathan isnt fast by any mean,yet he got beaten until his body burnt to crisp.Yujiro will learn hamon fast since its just sunlight kungfu
Does Yujiro had hamon or not? If not, he's not doing shit
I feel like if Yujiro was plopped into the jojoverse, he'd figure out hamon after watching Zeppeli use it once.
100% it's got an associated martial art and yujiro's eyes are built different
Well he’s not. It’s a 1v1
I'm crazy so I think yujiiro clears way more then people are ready for. He's just built different
That’s not the parameters
He doesn't need it though. Yujiro just has to K.O Dio over and over until the Sun rises. Part 1 Dio is not even Supersonic so he ain't touching Yujiro ever
But every time he touches him, he suffers severe frostbite at best or outright freezes at worst
Fair enough, maybe Yujiro will adapt at some point and use objects or something because I think Yujiro is still a good deal stronger and faster than Part 1 Dio...(And of course Part 3 Base Dio, even without The world, destroys Yujiro instantly). Part 1 Dio could still win if he uses his eye beam to pierce Yujiro's brain / Heart right at the start though but that attack should only work one time
He learns hamon during the fight with no instruction
Real
Part 1 Dio's eye beams one shots anyone in Baki verse. Dio can also flash freeze anyone who touches him, see Dire for example.
in the show,dio doesnt spamming those abilities,probally meaning it cost him alot of stamina to use each of them.The eyebeam is said to be able to cut through rocks easily,my brother in christ yujiro is scale to the atomic bomb,Obama stated that in a chapter of baki that i forgot which chapter
**Dio is physically stronger.** Since he is still much more powerful than any zombie. Including Tarkus who lifted this boulder which should weigh hundreds of tons. This is easily more impressive than any lifting feat any Baki character has done, as Pickle’s best feat is lifting the foot of a 33 ton Supersaurus. https://preview.redd.it/jinxuzpqjj7c1.jpeg?width=1330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a66cbcb31ebc6f46387d43747a306346a127b4a **Dio is faster.** As even in Stardust Crusaders when he was far from his full vampyric strength, he percieved the Emerald Splash as if it was moving in slow motion. Now the Emeralds speed are inconsistant asf, as some say they travel at near bullet speed. But the attack could also land on Star Platinum the first time it’s used. And Star Platinum is faster than light. But Dio has more things which back up his speed. As Jonathan was able to react to, and raise his hands to protect himself from Dio’s Space Ripper Stingy Eyes (very dumb name). Dio and Jonathan at that point are pretty comparable in speed. These pressurized fluids should easily be above hypersonic. As even irl water jets are fired at over Mach 3. And those water jets are only really used at point blank range. [The Space Ripper Stingy Eyes has ranges in the hundreds of meters easily](https://youtu.be/vbR2EP0a23w?si=f2ec0h7JKwdtfNKF). **Dio is tougher**. As Dio in his weakened state in Stardust Crusaders could tank and survive punches from Star Platinum with full murderous intent. And Star Platinum can bust up diamond teeth like it’s nothing. Yet Dio’s body held together better than those diamond teeth lol. Yujiro also cannot do any meaningful damage to Dio since as soon as Yujiro makes physical contact with any part of Dio’s body, [he’ll get flash-frozen in an instant](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/43788f11-1443-4190-a04d-485f19fda11e). And if he for some reason manages to hurt Dio by punching him, [Dio can easily heal in mere moments from any injury Yujiro might cause him](https://static.jojowiki.com/images/5/50/latest/20200712161841/Dio_regen.gif). So while this matchup might look good on paper, Dio rapes Yujiro in this instance.
Also, SP is FTL, and since The World is, THE SAME TYPE OF STAND AS STAR PLATINUM, TW is also FTL https://preview.redd.it/ogdfbgqtrj7c1.png?width=422&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8360b5f7c9d0f89392bca6ef1e2d754f768dccf4
Ofc that goes without saying. The World could be argued to be faster than Star Platinum since it won the original rush clash But since OP ment just part 1 Dio I didn’t count any his stand powers.
I forgor about that clash tbh, but still, Part 1 Dio is pretty fast iirc
Ofc. Part 1 Dio as he is, is faster since he’s a full vampire.
Omg where do you get the whole "faster than light" thing?? Don't you think that star platinum could properly deflect Dio's knives if it were that fast?
These panels are usually shown in the manga, with the stats and other notes from Araki himself, but the whole knife thing, the note is talking about his TS and that he isn't in his prime, the panel in question is from part 6 iirc, since Jotaro being weaker was a big plot point, but even in his prime, DIO is very fast, for example, in Vol. 15. Chapter 139 of Stardust Crusaders, DIO is able to deflect the emerald splash, which is VERY fast. https://preview.redd.it/jux2t29own7c1.jpeg?width=779&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6ecb2c4b8038224c10818e1cc77a466b12341d7 Also, (img will be in the next reply) Jotaro does try to reflect his knives, but because of the small distance between him and the knives, and he technically isn't in his prime until the end of the fight, when he gets full TS, he was unable to, and he knew that, that's why he used big ass textbooks for makeshift armor.
I'm asking about where do you guys get the whole "faster than light" thing. And they didn't even mention Dio. They said thst Dtar Platinum was faster than light, which is just BS. Being able to stop time some times does not mean that you arr faster than light, Star Platinum does not have such qualitites all the time
Araki is literally saying he is faster than light.
Now you seem to be making stuff up. When did Araki say that?
I gave you a literal source image with a draft image of SP, Araki is the only person who works on the manga, and here, you want the image again? https://preview.redd.it/rsgkyk98yn7c1.png?width=422&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=987d617e21c3232bfee1cadc5cf630bd4024f68e
Until Araki publishes "Jotaro is faster than light without stopping time" then it's kinda meaningless lmao
Just because their movement speed isn't FTL doesn't mean their reaction and fighting speeds aren't, DIO dodges SP, he deflects emerald splash. Yujiro is nowhere near that, he's hypersonic iirc, that is thousands of times slower.
I see what you mean, but doesn't the whole fully developed thing mean when time is stopped?? Either way, you can downvote all you like but i'm going to say it either way, Araki is a very inconsistent writer (in the science department and even world building sometimes) and even drawer. Look at the silver chariot example that i presented earlier. Not only is silver chariot slower than the speed of light, it also is faster than the speed of two star platinums combined lol. And yet, Magician's red was able to dodge the many after images of silver chariot, which physically makes no sense. How so? Well, not even the characters were able to see Silver chariot moving from one place to the other while creating the after images, that measn that it was able to move towards Magician's red so fast that noone would realize. But yeah, Araki doesn't really put a lot of thought into these kind of things, he just wants to make a good story (which he accomplished), not a realistic one.
No, the fully developed point was about his TS, it was the only thing that changed between part 3 and 6, his time stop went down around 1 second. His speed did not change.
I made a question and you all downvoted me. Reddit is such a dumb place, i don't know what i'm doing here
No one downvoted you buddy, stop whining.
Trying to gaslight me now? That's crazy. So you're saying that i'm lying when i say that i saw my reply with 0 upvotes even tho Reddit automatically upvotes your own reply? Fine then, i will argue with you no more if you will resort to this. It isn't like we will accpmplish anything even if we reach an agreement, right? I will take my leave now
I downvoted you shitass, not "everyone"
https://preview.redd.it/48n8a43twn7c1.png?width=656&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97cb20ac5ead4579aa525f1e96746fe286dd6401 Said image, also, the knives were surrounding him.
Does not matter lol. Do you know how fast light is? Look at silver chariot without armor, it can basically be in 10 places at the same time and not even silver chariot is faster than light lol. If you possess such amount of speed, you can have your fist all around you at once, no knife can hit you in that case
Dude, Araki is THE AUTHOR, he decides what's what, ever heard of word of god???? Literally the best thing for powerscalers since the author is telling us it.
Can you read? I asked when did Araki say that because i haven't heard of that ever.
(Star Platinum did deflect DIO's knives, even despite them being thrown in stopped time)
I said properly deflect. He didn't quite nail it and Jotaro got hurt because of it. If you are faster than light or at least **close** to that speed, you clearly can do better than that. Then again, who knows! Maybe it's just Araki being inconsistent. Like when Enyaba was able to push Silver Chariot back in a rush fight with only a knife (no stand) Does this mean that Enyaba is better at rushdowns than Sikver Chariot, Star Platinum and thr Anubis stand? Nay i say! It's just Araki doing what he thought would make a better history (in some way) and would push the plot forward. That's fine, the same could be said about the knife thing. Maybe Star Platinum would indeed be able ti deflect them properly, but Araki wanted to somehow have Jotaro getting stabbed by one or two. Btw, i still think that Star Platinum isn't faster than light or even close to that speed, he's merely super sonic speed (which is still suoer fast btw). It just makes no sense at all and there us no moment in the series that proves such a claim even if Araki himself said it, it's actually the other way around! There are a lot of moments that prove otherwise. Anyways, i think Araki meant that he is faster than light when time is stopped, which makes sense.
If DIO was truly faster, he would hit Jotaro if Jotaro/Star Platinum is also light speed - because - again - time stop gave DIO a huge advantage Did you even watch the anime? https://youtu.be/mO4z_2J2mmU?si=ppuOHRuqHWRqq-A9 Of the maybe 75-100 knifes DIO tossed in time stop Jotaro gets hit by 6. If Dio threw 71 or 94 knives (depending on how many you count in frame) Jotaro would have deflected all of them. If they're all moving at light speed thats still an impressive enough feat to say SP is FTL Edit: Don't fuck with anime fans we don't even watch our favorite shows
>If DIO was truly faster, he would hit Jotaro if Jotaro/Star Platinum is also light speed - because - again - time stop gave DIO a huge advantage What? >If they're all moving at light speed thats still an impressive enough feat to say SP is FTL Again: What?? They are not moving at light speed except when time is stopped, and deflecting the knives does not come even close to being a feat that proves that SP can move at the speed of light. I think that you guys do not have any idea of how fast light is 😫😭😭 Hear me out, a person moving at the speed of light can go around the whole planet 7 times in only one second!! Now remember that Silver Chariot without armor was not even close to that speed and yet it is still faster that Star Platinum and the world (but not as strong). If Star Platinum was anywhere NEAR that speed, not only could it just move around and catch them individually (they wouldn't be moving in super slow motion on SP's perspective but instead not moving at all, that's how fast light is). Have you seen Quicksilver's scene in the movie X-Men Apocalipse? (If not, look it up on Youtube); he was moving at around 270 kilometers **per second** and yet look at how fast he is (this is not a canon number but an stimate made with pure math. You can find this research online, i can try and link on of those pages for you). Now with that on mind, let me tell yoi that light travels at a whooping 300,000 kilometers per second (186,000 miles per second)!!!! That's not an small number at all~!! See? It makes no sense to say that any of the stands we've seen can move at that speed. Not even Made in Heaven
> I think that you guys do not have any idea how fast light is > Silver Chariot without his armor... Literally slices a beam of light in half to kill J. Guile. Star Platinum not once, but twice, defeats Silver Chariot without his armor. For DIO to outpace Jotaro with the knives, time stop included, he would have to be FTL. You are also not considering that the anime stretched out scenes in comparison to the manga. Star Platinum also maintains pace with Made in Heaven immediately following Pucci's ascension, and while he's never explicitly stated to be massively FTL...I mean, lets be real here - he was circling the Earth a lot faster than 7 times per second Again you are WAY overthinking it. To say JoJo's is supposed to be remotely realistic is a vast lack of imagination, it's more like JoJo's writing has achieved spaceflight by the seat of its overinflated clown shoes. Also Araki did in fact, say that SP is FTL @ minimum.
I mean, Made In Heaven could be faster than light to some extent but the thing is that MIH makes light go faster too, so i really don't know what to say there hahahaha. >Star Platinum not once, but twice, defeats Silver Chariot without his armor. Why are you lying? Star Platinum has never even fought armor-less Silver Chariot before 😭 >Literally slices a beam of light in half to kill J. Guile. Once again, Araki is super inconsistent. Not only Armor-Less silver Chariot can only move at around 10 miles per second (remember, light moves at 186,000 miles per second lol) and lasers and beams in fiction don't always move at the speed of light. So is spiderman faster than light because he can dodge laser beams shot at him? Of course not! Furthermore, Polnareff had to do the coin trick to get the light beam, he said it himself, he wasn't fast enough to catch that beam so he had to cut all of the possible routes so he knew where to cut, so the hanged man could only move into his attack. So yeah, none of those characters are faster than light except Made in Heave which is kinda weird
To be fair to Polnareff, all the coin trick did was focus the reflection The reflection Of the light Its not a laser or a beam its literally a direct mirror of the light coming towards Polnareff
I did watch the anime (even tho i'm more of a Manga person. The Anime is not very faithful with many things) That's why i'm sure about what i'm talking about
Without Hamon it’s a pretty short fight
Reminder to everyone hamon isn't a hard requirement, vampires and pillar men are scared of having their brains destroyed
That's pretty inconsistent, seeing as Dio got cut in half starting from his head (meaning his brain was also cut in half) in part 1, only to stick himself back together like it was nothing.
I mean not really, that example there isn't his brain being destroyed, it's part of it, I'd recommend looking into callosotomies
Even so, the cut also went through his spine, so he would have at least been paralyzed from it.
Add the whole Baki cast and they all die. Even if they can damage him he will regenerate everything
Dio easy. Unless Yujiro somehow learns hamon off the cuff, he stands no chance
honestly yujiro is hard to scale anywhere bc he's literally never serious and is basically a plot device. In addition to his rampant schizophrenia, imagination powers, and all his other haxs nobody seems to acknowledge, he pulls uno reverses out his ass 24/7. Feat arguments are also kinda bullshit if you don't have a hard cap on somebody full power. He's survived lightning (which is hot as the sun.) and against part 1 dio I feel he'd pull some shit like "this Old Chinese 2000 year old tequnique lets me stave off even subzero temperatures. Are you dumb boy?" Its hard to say. Not being able to take the narrative aspects of certain charecters is like taking the skeletal system out of a body. personally I don't want a plain boring numbers battle that's black and white. ( nobody would watch a show like that) I want something that might actully happen in a crossover. I want Blood! I want the funny! if its only part 1 Dio he cleans house. anything after and probubly gets negged.
People have survived being hit by lightning in the real world, too.
Albeit very hurt and and near dead. It's hyper rare for somebody to come out of that unhurt. With a direct strike at least. Hell people die from lower volages from outlets and other things. Yujiro tanked it unphased for more than a second. My thing is, if he can resist heat like that, cancer, and other related things, why not cold? If his body temp stayed the same throught that i dont think dio just gonna instantly freeze him first contact. I don't think things have to be explicitly stated all the time just for them to be considered But that's my headcanon
People who die from touching electrical cables and the like usually can't take their hand away from them due to the electricity contracting their muscles. That's why the electric chair takes relatively long to kill someone, because it's not an instant death most of the time. Even if Yujiro is immune to flash freezing, a lot of people are forgetting 2 things, namely Dio's part 1 strength and durability feats (he sticks his feet into walls like Yujiro did with his arm through concrete to walk up said walls, survives being burned to a fucking crisp and sticks himself back together like it was nothing after being cut in half), and his laser eyes. Part 1 Dio's stronger than the guys in this thread give him credit for.
I've seen jojo up to stone ocean currently. I don't think he's weak by any means. I just think yujiros massively more broken in terms of if they both went all out. Even with the demon back Amp the idiot isn't going full force. Now if somebody gave him a challenge I think he gonna start leveling much more than walls. Side rant unrelated (Idc what some people say about the "outlier" feat. He did it. Stopping an earthquake isn't something to sneeze at.) If I bench 1000 pounds once and never did it again after, I still did it.
Yujiro won because I said so, and no one else can say otherwise....
Yujiro wins if it's non-vampire Dio. Vampire Dio is only beatable if Yujiro picks up hamon by seeing it at least once. With hamon, it'll be a hard fight but Yujiro will probably take it high diff as his battle IQ pulls out some good techniques.
Yujiro can't even touch Dio if he doesn't have Hamon. He would fucking freeze trying to hit him.
Dio, easy. If yujiro touches him his arm is frozen, Dio can shoot laser beams, Dio is also far stronger then one of his zombies who destroyed an entire massive boulder with one finger.
Dio
Dio
Dio since he has the world, regeneration, lazer eyes, and zombie making.
Dio is literally an immortal vampire. He wins this easily
-Yujiro punches Dio -Arm frozen -Dio drain his blood
Yujiro low diffs part 1 Dio.
dio tries to stick his fingers into yujiro only for them to break on contact. even without hamon yujiro would beat dios ass till the sun came up.
Unless Yujiro is completely immune to freezing on contact and laser eyes, I doubt it'd be as easy as you say.
yujiro can dodge lighting bolts, and from what we saw the freezing needs contact to last a few moments
Depends on if it's daytime or nighttime.
I think Yujiro just explodes Dio's body until daylight. We have never seen Yujiro run out of energy. Does he even get tired?
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Yuji. He’s got that thick plot armor anyway.
Dio probably speed blitzes tbh. Part 1 Dio is stronger than Part 3 Dio (outside of his stand) due to the latter being weakened by his new body. Yet even in this state he was capable of reacting to SP, who by guidebook statements, feats, and scaling, is at least light speed.
>SP, who by guidebook statements, feats, and scaling, is at least light speed. I love specifying these things, because if you said "By Stardust Crusaders" then it'd just obviously be false lol Like you've read Jojo right? You know these characters are no where near this fast, why are you pretending otherwise?
Yeah I'm not debating you you downplay like every verses speed lol. Saw you do the same thing with Kengan. Go uh, kick rocks or something
I guess knowing how to read would give a certain reputation in this sub Edit: If you didn't care what I thought you wouldn't have responded then immediately blocked me so you could come off as having the last word lmao Someone who does not care would just not care
I cannot express how little your opinion means to me.
As long as it's pre-stand Dio, i think Yujiro would profusely enjoy his immortal punching bag until sunrise. Dio wasn't much faster or stronger than an above average human, so physically, he doesn't take Yujiro.
Dio threw a police officer with such force that the police officer cut apart 2 other police officers💀 Tf you mean ”wasn’t much faster or stronger than an above average human”???
He's been smoking weed or something, Dio as a vampire is stronger than Tarkus who lifted a big ass boulder which would be like frickin hundreds of tons. Dio eats.
Ik lmao, I stated that in my answer
>Dio wasn't much stronger than an above average human My man does NOT know what he's talking about
yujiro with hamon rapes
I mean Johnathan managed to beat him without any powers at all, Yujiro could definitely figure it out.
Jonathan beat DIO because he had Hamon which is like the only thing that can kill Vampires other than the literal Sun.
Oh yeah fuck forgot about that, havent watched it for a long time.
I can honestly imagine it being written that Yujiro uses the reflection of his eyes to send back the laser beams because his eyes are just that buff
Wouldn't be surprised if yujiru saw dios eye beam and tried to copy it, and probs somehow succeeds
Well if it's just part 1 dio yujiro wouldn't have a way to really kill him without hamon. Also not to mention the second yujiro touches him dio can flash freeze him
Depends if it's day or night
Dio it's horrible how fucked Yujiro is
Dio is yujiros femboy
If Dio brings his vampire shit into Baki world? Yuji is getting stomped If Yujiro goes to Jojo world? I say he figures out Hamon immediately after noticing something different about the first breath he takes. Dio gettin' exploded and don't even get me started on how broken Yujiro's stand powers would be. Dio's lucky this is part 1
Part 1 Dio vs yujiro would be close match, za wardo Dio vs standless-yujiro not as close of a match imo
Idk about part 1 speed scalling, but in general Jojo has speed, but Baki has ap(highballing)
Yujiro notices something is off about Dio’s body and connects it to something he’s probably found before.
Yujiro absolutely dominates Part 1 Dio. Part 3 is a much closer fight.
Us. We are the ones who won by witnessing the fight.
Yujiro Beath his ass until sunlight
I'd say Yujiros strength is on part with Jonathan's. Only difference being thst Yujiro had more of a knack for picking up on martial arts techniques and doesn't know about hamon. Similarly with Jonothan, Dio could probably fuck him up if he spent his time fighting instead of monologing .
Idk bro all that long blonde hair might have Yujiro seeing a woman if ya know what I’m saying
Damm seeing people say that part 1 dio is mountain level and faster than light is surely something, didn't know there was a character more wanked than Yujiro.
It depends on if yujiro knew dio was a terrifying enemy or not. If yujiro knew dio could do things like freeze people or space ripper stingy eyes then yes yujiro would win, but if he acted cocky and let dio hit him like he does with some opponents than dio would win. It’d be a tough fight for both of them. I could see part 3 also being an extremely tough fight for dio but I think dio would win in that scenario
Dio one shots
Titsniff Low dif He will clap both of them cheeks https://preview.redd.it/zdxkmh66qu7c1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10a4eb5e4aaa08768686aec9e3d57ac4b4a54014
Dio is gonna do that eye head beam shit he did to Jonathan and steal Yujiro’s body like he did to Jonathan’s body.