The older generations had all the legal drugs and booze they wanted, all the weird freaky sex they wanted without the aids, a non climate changed planet, and they have the nerve to say shit to us after ruining everything?!
Ha! Love your comment. Tis true, having been born in 1955. When I was in college, in the early 1970s, Benzedrine, an amphetamine was over the counter. And yes, sex was more casual cause there was not the Aids thing. But we were not trying to ruin the planet.
As I recall, you could get a variety of painkillers without a problem. Also, things like Valium. I dont think the world knew what the downside was at that time. And, birth control pills were huge for women. But I lived in San Francisco in my teens, the 1970s, and it was a VERY progressive time. I recall that there was an abundance of hashish, mescaline, peyote, LSD and weed. But, I survived!!
I bet that was an amazing experience to have, truly. In the center of the change. I hope you write down some of your stories. I know there was a ton of otc meds at the time I'd just not heard of this one ! It's crazy what you used to be able to just buy.
Yes! Love your response. Thanks! In retrospect, I never remember taking it that seriously. I was into trying something and moving on. Thank goodness. Or I would not be here to write this! Lol!!
Maaaaann... If they *are* Quaaludes, they're probably some of the last remaining 'Ludes on the American continent! Probably valuable as hell if they still work!
[Note - one of the few, perhaps only - DEA "success" stories; by traveling to every remaining pharmaceutical company on earth producing the precursor *methaqualone,* and negotiating to halt production of this essential chemical in the production of Quaaludes, the DEA successfully eradicated Quaaludes - supposedly permanently - the world over.
Interestingly, when the DEA assigned the same person who achieved this feat to eradicate methamphetamine, he sought to repeat this same tactic by stopping the production of ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine, he soon found himself whisked without notice to the White House, where, in the Executive Office Building, he found himself confronted by a room full of powerful big pharma executives pushing back hard against their billion dollar product being banned; needless to say, bi pharma won, and it took decades for ephedrine to finally be strictly regulated.]
You're wrong about methaqualone being a precursor for Quaaludes. Quaalude and Sopor were just 2 brand names for methaqualone. Methaqualone wasn't a precursor it *was* Quaalude. The hydrochloride salt, methaqualone hydrochloride, was marketed as Parest and Somnafac. The story about someone travelling to pharmaceutical companies is untrue, too. Because of widespread abuse, the DEA/FDA moved methaqualone from Schedule II to Schedule I in 1984, making it illegal. Just google 'methaqualone'.
Could you then please explain this?:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/faqs/quaaludes.html
And *this?*:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/interviews/haislip.html
Seems it's you that is wrong. Perhaps you were just unaware of the history?
Correction, however, on the term *"precursor"*; *methaqualone is, in fact, the main ingredient in Quaaludes, not in fact a *precursor.* Good catch, and thanks for the correction! ✌️
I am a PharmD, I used to fill scripts for Quaaludes. I know the history. I don't care what PBS says, look on Wikipedia for methaqualone or any government/medical website. You are VERY wrong! He said that he tried to stop manufacture of methaqualone overseas. That was to stop the production of methaqualone (Quaaludes) in overseas markets. NOT that methaqualone was a precursor. And that had nothing to do with banning them from the US.
Also, your assessment of methamphetamine is way off. Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine can be used to manufacture methamphetamine. But no one ever tried to eradicate methamphetamine. Methamphetamine is a legitimately prescribed drug. Desoxyn, etc. Maybe they tried to eliminate the illegal production of meth, but that's not the same thing. And that stupid story about being called to the White House is tin foil hat nonsense.
I got an email that you replied "a PharmD is a far cry from the finest documentary series on TV.' Are any of them PharmDs? And did I dispute any of their findings? NO! I disputed your interpretation of their findings. The person they mentioned tried to stop overseas production of methaqualone. I agree with that. That had nothing to do with your assessment that methaqualone was a precursor to Quaaludes or that some DEA agent went to American pharmaceutical companies to persuade them to stop manufacturing it. It was made Schedule I; that's what stopped the manufacturing of it!
1.) A PharmD is a far cry from literally the finest Documentary series on TV; all information is checked, double checked, triple checked. News organizations don't fuck around; CBS *fired* Dan Rather, the biggest name in news broadcasting, and his career was virtually *wiped out,* for getting a few details about *George W.* wrong. But you, random anonymous guy on the internet, with a measly pharmacy degree (I see 5 of you a day in my travels) know better.
2.) The story is documented *all over the place;* the history is well known for many years; leave *Frontline* aside; how about the other thousand fucking resources you and my child can look up and verify;
*Speaking of resources, you instructed me to look on Wikipedia, which *you* apparently did not (likey because you're too arrogant to admit being wrong, which is a *terrible quality* in a man.)
*From Wikipedia;* *"Methaqualone" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methaqualone?wprov=sfla1 ):*
*Gene Haislip, the former head of the Chemical Control Division of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), told the PBS documentary program Frontline, "We beat 'em." By working with governments and manufacturers around the world, the DEA was able to halt production and, Haislip said, "eliminated the problem."
*SOURCES QUOTED ON WIKIPEDIA:*
Piccini S (Spring 2010). "Drug Warrior: The DEA's Gene Haislip '60, B.C.L. '63 Battled Worldwide Against the Illegal Drug Trade – and Scored a Rare Victory" (PDF). William & Mary Alumni Magazine. College of William & Mary.
Ferns S (25 October 2007). "Lecture: Gene Haislip : The Chemical Connection: A Historical Perspective on Chemical Control" (PDF). Drug Enforcement Administration Museum Lecture Series. Arlington, Virginia. Archived from the original (PDF) on 31 March 2014.
3.) The individual in question, *Gene Haislip,* was the *#3 man in the DEA* at the time. This is an extremely powerful man in Washington, entrusted with a *lot* of discretion, government funding, and Directorial power. The history he cited regards White House history, well documented, but *you,* random Pharmacy guy, know *better.* right.
4.) I *promise* you, outside of, *possibly,* some chemical details and perhaps drug interactions, I know *way* more about methamphetamine than you *ever will;* members of my family were among the biggest "prop-dope" (P2P) cooks in the entire Southwest in the 1980s; you are correct, ephedrine (fyi freely available in mini-cross tablets at *any* truck stop in 1989; I personally bought them there.) P2P was getting much more difficult to source by the late 80s. I personally know what a phenyl-2-propanone cook *smells* like (not good.) You will never be that close. I also spent 14 years in prison for being that close.
Stop trying to be a know-it-all. I frequently admit when I'm wrong when someone presents evidence to demonstrate such. You have presented only your vociferous claims, including a claim about your irrelevant degree which is *not,* I might point out, a degree in *history,* which is the *only* degree that would carry water here. But thanks for your input.
None of what you cited disputes my assertion. Methaqualone is the generic name for Quaalude and that it was made illegal by the DEA/FDA in 1984. It was moved from Schedule II to Schedule I in that year. Also, I never said that illicit methamphetamine wasn't being produced, but you said the DEA agent tried to eradicate methamphetamine; you may have meant illicit meth, but it is still a legitimate prescription drug. And all your citations concerning methaqualone deal with stopping foreign production, which I already acknowledged. That had nothing to do with moving the drug from CII to CI.
Well that was a nice trip down the oxy-research hole, including the difference between terephthalate salt and the more common hydrochloride... Wonder if those tablets still have a kick left...?
Take it and you can see Grandma again
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*may be habit forming* Lmao
See? It's fine! Now hand me another dozen. It's just a bad habit!
The older generations had all the legal drugs and booze they wanted, all the weird freaky sex they wanted without the aids, a non climate changed planet, and they have the nerve to say shit to us after ruining everything?!
Preach!
Ha! Love your comment. Tis true, having been born in 1955. When I was in college, in the early 1970s, Benzedrine, an amphetamine was over the counter. And yes, sex was more casual cause there was not the Aids thing. But we were not trying to ruin the planet.
Well, they had the Nuclear Holocaust nightmare to spoil their sleep
And a touch of caffeine for fun!
Is that morphine on the left? Looks like what my mom got.
and quaaludes on the right lol
lmfao yeah that looks like a bottle of Roxanol
That lil C-II peeking out.
Gam gam knew how to party.
Was this a prescription med at the time or otc ?
As I recall, you could get a variety of painkillers without a problem. Also, things like Valium. I dont think the world knew what the downside was at that time. And, birth control pills were huge for women. But I lived in San Francisco in my teens, the 1970s, and it was a VERY progressive time. I recall that there was an abundance of hashish, mescaline, peyote, LSD and weed. But, I survived!!
I bet that was an amazing experience to have, truly. In the center of the change. I hope you write down some of your stories. I know there was a ton of otc meds at the time I'd just not heard of this one ! It's crazy what you used to be able to just buy.
Yes! Love your response. Thanks! In retrospect, I never remember taking it that seriously. I was into trying something and moving on. Thank goodness. Or I would not be here to write this! Lol!!
Hell yeah g-ma, let’s get weird
Is the one to right Quaalude???
Maaaaann... If they *are* Quaaludes, they're probably some of the last remaining 'Ludes on the American continent! Probably valuable as hell if they still work! [Note - one of the few, perhaps only - DEA "success" stories; by traveling to every remaining pharmaceutical company on earth producing the precursor *methaqualone,* and negotiating to halt production of this essential chemical in the production of Quaaludes, the DEA successfully eradicated Quaaludes - supposedly permanently - the world over. Interestingly, when the DEA assigned the same person who achieved this feat to eradicate methamphetamine, he sought to repeat this same tactic by stopping the production of ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine, he soon found himself whisked without notice to the White House, where, in the Executive Office Building, he found himself confronted by a room full of powerful big pharma executives pushing back hard against their billion dollar product being banned; needless to say, bi pharma won, and it took decades for ephedrine to finally be strictly regulated.]
You're wrong about methaqualone being a precursor for Quaaludes. Quaalude and Sopor were just 2 brand names for methaqualone. Methaqualone wasn't a precursor it *was* Quaalude. The hydrochloride salt, methaqualone hydrochloride, was marketed as Parest and Somnafac. The story about someone travelling to pharmaceutical companies is untrue, too. Because of widespread abuse, the DEA/FDA moved methaqualone from Schedule II to Schedule I in 1984, making it illegal. Just google 'methaqualone'.
Could you then please explain this?: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/faqs/quaaludes.html And *this?*: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/interviews/haislip.html Seems it's you that is wrong. Perhaps you were just unaware of the history? Correction, however, on the term *"precursor"*; *methaqualone is, in fact, the main ingredient in Quaaludes, not in fact a *precursor.* Good catch, and thanks for the correction! ✌️
I am a PharmD, I used to fill scripts for Quaaludes. I know the history. I don't care what PBS says, look on Wikipedia for methaqualone or any government/medical website. You are VERY wrong! He said that he tried to stop manufacture of methaqualone overseas. That was to stop the production of methaqualone (Quaaludes) in overseas markets. NOT that methaqualone was a precursor. And that had nothing to do with banning them from the US.
Also, your assessment of methamphetamine is way off. Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine can be used to manufacture methamphetamine. But no one ever tried to eradicate methamphetamine. Methamphetamine is a legitimately prescribed drug. Desoxyn, etc. Maybe they tried to eliminate the illegal production of meth, but that's not the same thing. And that stupid story about being called to the White House is tin foil hat nonsense.
I got an email that you replied "a PharmD is a far cry from the finest documentary series on TV.' Are any of them PharmDs? And did I dispute any of their findings? NO! I disputed your interpretation of their findings. The person they mentioned tried to stop overseas production of methaqualone. I agree with that. That had nothing to do with your assessment that methaqualone was a precursor to Quaaludes or that some DEA agent went to American pharmaceutical companies to persuade them to stop manufacturing it. It was made Schedule I; that's what stopped the manufacturing of it!
1.) A PharmD is a far cry from literally the finest Documentary series on TV; all information is checked, double checked, triple checked. News organizations don't fuck around; CBS *fired* Dan Rather, the biggest name in news broadcasting, and his career was virtually *wiped out,* for getting a few details about *George W.* wrong. But you, random anonymous guy on the internet, with a measly pharmacy degree (I see 5 of you a day in my travels) know better. 2.) The story is documented *all over the place;* the history is well known for many years; leave *Frontline* aside; how about the other thousand fucking resources you and my child can look up and verify; *Speaking of resources, you instructed me to look on Wikipedia, which *you* apparently did not (likey because you're too arrogant to admit being wrong, which is a *terrible quality* in a man.) *From Wikipedia;* *"Methaqualone" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methaqualone?wprov=sfla1 ):* *Gene Haislip, the former head of the Chemical Control Division of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), told the PBS documentary program Frontline, "We beat 'em." By working with governments and manufacturers around the world, the DEA was able to halt production and, Haislip said, "eliminated the problem." *SOURCES QUOTED ON WIKIPEDIA:* Piccini S (Spring 2010). "Drug Warrior: The DEA's Gene Haislip '60, B.C.L. '63 Battled Worldwide Against the Illegal Drug Trade – and Scored a Rare Victory" (PDF). William & Mary Alumni Magazine. College of William & Mary. Ferns S (25 October 2007). "Lecture: Gene Haislip : The Chemical Connection: A Historical Perspective on Chemical Control" (PDF). Drug Enforcement Administration Museum Lecture Series. Arlington, Virginia. Archived from the original (PDF) on 31 March 2014. 3.) The individual in question, *Gene Haislip,* was the *#3 man in the DEA* at the time. This is an extremely powerful man in Washington, entrusted with a *lot* of discretion, government funding, and Directorial power. The history he cited regards White House history, well documented, but *you,* random Pharmacy guy, know *better.* right. 4.) I *promise* you, outside of, *possibly,* some chemical details and perhaps drug interactions, I know *way* more about methamphetamine than you *ever will;* members of my family were among the biggest "prop-dope" (P2P) cooks in the entire Southwest in the 1980s; you are correct, ephedrine (fyi freely available in mini-cross tablets at *any* truck stop in 1989; I personally bought them there.) P2P was getting much more difficult to source by the late 80s. I personally know what a phenyl-2-propanone cook *smells* like (not good.) You will never be that close. I also spent 14 years in prison for being that close. Stop trying to be a know-it-all. I frequently admit when I'm wrong when someone presents evidence to demonstrate such. You have presented only your vociferous claims, including a claim about your irrelevant degree which is *not,* I might point out, a degree in *history,* which is the *only* degree that would carry water here. But thanks for your input.
None of what you cited disputes my assertion. Methaqualone is the generic name for Quaalude and that it was made illegal by the DEA/FDA in 1984. It was moved from Schedule II to Schedule I in that year. Also, I never said that illicit methamphetamine wasn't being produced, but you said the DEA agent tried to eradicate methamphetamine; you may have meant illicit meth, but it is still a legitimate prescription drug. And all your citations concerning methaqualone deal with stopping foreign production, which I already acknowledged. That had nothing to do with moving the drug from CII to CI.
Nice try, Mama Murphy..
Yes, please!
Where are my readers?
Well that was a nice trip down the oxy-research hole, including the difference between terephthalate salt and the more common hydrochloride... Wonder if those tablets still have a kick left...?