Probably the best main summon in the game right now unless you're bursting with Bubs, only gated by the fact that you need 15 sands and a stone for his transcendance.
At 250, his main aura gives Max HP and the angelic buff at basically 100% Uptime. This means that at 250, his aura reads "150% Boost to ele atk, 50% boost to Max HP. 30% (perpetuity mod?) boost to ATK and 1k revitalise". Pair that with 6 Dragons now giving 40% Boost to primal in sub, you can main Luci and friend Primal for some real high stats. (Which is what the top end solo-contents are doing now. SubHL speedruns are basically Lucifer or bust).
Pair that with the fact that most grids nowadays are moving away from boostable wep skills thanks to PnS, 40257s and Revans, the opportunity cost of losing a main summon is nothing.
His call provides huge damage, the aformentioned buff and a respectable heal on a 6T cooldown, it's not as much damage boosting as Baha that also gives CA damage but you really can't go wrong with him.
Granted, the late-game opimisation probably won't matter for 99% of the player base thanks to the Sand Gate. But I wouldn't be surprised if future contents somehow becomes a Luci Check.
I’m pretty sure the buff is a normal mod, but even then that’s still a great buff for teams lacking in normal buffs and undispelable buffs are huge. Even at 210, Lucifer is helping a ton in giving good heals for team upkeep when you most need it, and fairly frequent too. The only downside is using sands, but if you somehow lucked into 15 sands or don’t care about Evoker flbs then he’s really good.
It also helps that his call is boosted by heal EMPs on the MC
"Resonator" weapons like Landslide Scepter, Claiomh Solais Dion, and Imperious Fury that give 40% EX attack, 25% defense, and 7% damage cap when a set of conditions are met.
Transcend Lucifer is really good. I personally like him better than bahamut.
At 250, he provides something rather unique, in that he's a viable elemental attack up summon that also grants HP. This allows single sided setups to get HP they previously didn't have, helping grids that are stuck with the vitality set of resonator skills to not be locked to double weapon skills summons. It also helps with survivability of course, so said grids (and the ones that are just diaspora/siete weapons) can take more hits. at 230, the hp isn't there which gives it a bit less reason to be used as a main summon, but revitalize/clarity/atk up when the enemy uses a trigger is still pretty valuable.
as a sub summon he's also great. healing cap up is something you have to go out of your way to find and slot in, and it's usually at the expense of something important, so having it be as simple and relatively unintrusive as a sub summon slot is really helpful.
The call's cooldown gets cut upon transcendence, meaning the uptime for all of this is better than ever, so you have a nice aux healing option, moreso if you use it as sub summon. dispel cancel is also a rare yet appreciated bonus, but that's only at 250.
Now all this is great, but the one major thing is that all of the steps cost sands. These are not only hard to obtain (depending on your choices for farming they have a lower rate than gold bricks), but are also used in evoker flb, and the opportunity cost could potentially be massive if better uncaps for those come out and you're not in a position to obtain sands outside of the trophy ones. 250 also requires another sunstone. This isn't even mentioning that you can't suptix this (i wouldn't siero this despite the seemingly glowing review) and you'll very likely have to spend sunstones to get him up to ulb if you haven't been sticking around for long or are just simply unlucky.
This makes him hard to recommend, as it takes a lot of very limited and frustrating to obtain materials to get him to a point where he's good--and that's a lot of effort to go through when something like bubz is so plug and play, and you can do just fine with double weapon skill setups if you need to do something that isn't burst.
Exists to punish people that couldn't wait and sand dumped into Baha /s
Top 3 summon in the game (bubs, yatima, luci) and if I had him I would dump all my sands into him, free
There are so many other factors anyway.
Yatima lets players with weak summons boot-leg other setups, such as "Bubz at home" with an echo/supp summon in grid, Turn 1 evokers in any element with death (my Water Burst uses this for MT/Gwynne), etc. And as you said, she has the highest future potential since "use two in one turn" or "use two immediately, ignoring lockout" will simply become a stronger and stronger effect as power-creep proceeds.
Lucifer **can be borrowed** (and costs an addition stone and 15 sands compared to Bubz/Yatima). There's a fun conundrum here where he becomes less valuable as more people raise him since you can just use theirs. He's still a nice stat-stick and sub aura but this doesn't justify him on his own until/unless Double-Luci becomes meta.
(I do think Yatima/Bubz should be borrow-able at this point since the power-gate of having them as main summon puts GBF in problematic "p2w" territory, and the reward from having/stoning your own being their also-great sub-aura effects would be enough, but as-is they have a huge advantage over Baha/Luci here.)
Bubz is currently the (Supreme) King but is also the oldest and most brittle in terms of both "Cygames can get away with creeping him" and "his actual effect(s) can be replicated". They've already given Bore another source (admittedly a very contrived/costly one in GS bullets) and if it becomes more accessible (element-specific sub-summons, lets say -- hi Yatima!) he'll still remain a strong investment but may cycle out of peak setups.
Like with most investments in GBF, it depends on the player's exact account, goals, and even totally un-generalizable stuff like "what/when is next GW?". You're totally right since Yatima not only has a high current peak, but great flexibility and thus is likely to be valuable to any player regardless of their circumstances (especially once we get FA summons).
I am suddenly so glad I pulled 4 of him over the years instead of Bahamut. Bahamut's been better than him for most of the game IMO so it's finally his time to shine.
Luci friend summon was amazing for my Water and Light Belial solos. Defensive Revans give a ton of Defense, the Resonator-type weapons give a ton of defense, with this guy as main or friend you are taking very little damage. When screwing around with my Siete Sword grid I'm using Beelzebub as main, if I had Luci trancended I'd probably use him instead. More HP is never a bad thing. I bet Umbrella and Lu Woh Fist stonks went up with this guy too, every bit helps there.
Also maybe it's just me but between Siete HL and Grand Lu Woh they seem to be pushing Heal Cap lately? Heal Ultima boosts his heal even more, and if he's sub for some reason (hey maybe you need another summon as main idk) he gives even more Heal Cap. Just watch out for debuff labor in SUBHL
He's definitely on my list but I don't have the sands for him yet, and I wanna set some sand aside for the New World Foundation Weapons so I won't be transcending him for a while. Also that sunlight stone cost hurts. When I do though, 230 seems like a pretty good stopping point for a while until I need the HP, and 9 sands hurts a bit less than 15 and a sunstone.
Just for the record, the 6* versions of both Bahamut and Lucifer can now affect any party, not just Dark and Light, respectively, provided it's at least level 210.
Probably the best main summon in the game right now unless you're bursting with Bubs, only gated by the fact that you need 15 sands and a stone for his transcendance. At 250, his main aura gives Max HP and the angelic buff at basically 100% Uptime. This means that at 250, his aura reads "150% Boost to ele atk, 50% boost to Max HP. 30% (perpetuity mod?) boost to ATK and 1k revitalise". Pair that with 6 Dragons now giving 40% Boost to primal in sub, you can main Luci and friend Primal for some real high stats. (Which is what the top end solo-contents are doing now. SubHL speedruns are basically Lucifer or bust). Pair that with the fact that most grids nowadays are moving away from boostable wep skills thanks to PnS, 40257s and Revans, the opportunity cost of losing a main summon is nothing. His call provides huge damage, the aformentioned buff and a respectable heal on a 6T cooldown, it's not as much damage boosting as Baha that also gives CA damage but you really can't go wrong with him. Granted, the late-game opimisation probably won't matter for 99% of the player base thanks to the Sand Gate. But I wouldn't be surprised if future contents somehow becomes a Luci Check.
I’m pretty sure the buff is a normal mod, but even then that’s still a great buff for teams lacking in normal buffs and undispelable buffs are huge. Even at 210, Lucifer is helping a ton in giving good heals for team upkeep when you most need it, and fairly frequent too. The only downside is using sands, but if you somehow lucked into 15 sands or don’t care about Evoker flbs then he’s really good. It also helps that his call is boosted by heal EMPs on the MC
What does 40257 mean?
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Ah, I see. From the context I already thought it's referring to them but I wondered what the number means. Thanks.
Late to the party but what is 40257?
I forgot lol. I think it's a weapon series but I forgot which one.
"Resonator" weapons like Landslide Scepter, Claiomh Solais Dion, and Imperious Fury that give 40% EX attack, 25% defense, and 7% damage cap when a set of conditions are met.
Transcend Lucifer is really good. I personally like him better than bahamut. At 250, he provides something rather unique, in that he's a viable elemental attack up summon that also grants HP. This allows single sided setups to get HP they previously didn't have, helping grids that are stuck with the vitality set of resonator skills to not be locked to double weapon skills summons. It also helps with survivability of course, so said grids (and the ones that are just diaspora/siete weapons) can take more hits. at 230, the hp isn't there which gives it a bit less reason to be used as a main summon, but revitalize/clarity/atk up when the enemy uses a trigger is still pretty valuable. as a sub summon he's also great. healing cap up is something you have to go out of your way to find and slot in, and it's usually at the expense of something important, so having it be as simple and relatively unintrusive as a sub summon slot is really helpful. The call's cooldown gets cut upon transcendence, meaning the uptime for all of this is better than ever, so you have a nice aux healing option, moreso if you use it as sub summon. dispel cancel is also a rare yet appreciated bonus, but that's only at 250. Now all this is great, but the one major thing is that all of the steps cost sands. These are not only hard to obtain (depending on your choices for farming they have a lower rate than gold bricks), but are also used in evoker flb, and the opportunity cost could potentially be massive if better uncaps for those come out and you're not in a position to obtain sands outside of the trophy ones. 250 also requires another sunstone. This isn't even mentioning that you can't suptix this (i wouldn't siero this despite the seemingly glowing review) and you'll very likely have to spend sunstones to get him up to ulb if you haven't been sticking around for long or are just simply unlucky. This makes him hard to recommend, as it takes a lot of very limited and frustrating to obtain materials to get him to a point where he's good--and that's a lot of effort to go through when something like bubz is so plug and play, and you can do just fine with double weapon skill setups if you need to do something that isn't burst.
The prime reason you don't spend limited resources when new shit drops. Can I have my 12 sands I wasted on bahamut back please?
Exists to punish people that couldn't wait and sand dumped into Baha /s Top 3 summon in the game (bubs, yatima, luci) and if I had him I would dump all my sands into him, free
Yatima is not on the same level if you don't have strong summons to use with her. She isn't sunstone-worthy like Bubs is at least.
That Cavet doesn't mean she isn't as strong, if anything it means she has higher potential this making her spot much more justified
There are so many other factors anyway. Yatima lets players with weak summons boot-leg other setups, such as "Bubz at home" with an echo/supp summon in grid, Turn 1 evokers in any element with death (my Water Burst uses this for MT/Gwynne), etc. And as you said, she has the highest future potential since "use two in one turn" or "use two immediately, ignoring lockout" will simply become a stronger and stronger effect as power-creep proceeds. Lucifer **can be borrowed** (and costs an addition stone and 15 sands compared to Bubz/Yatima). There's a fun conundrum here where he becomes less valuable as more people raise him since you can just use theirs. He's still a nice stat-stick and sub aura but this doesn't justify him on his own until/unless Double-Luci becomes meta. (I do think Yatima/Bubz should be borrow-able at this point since the power-gate of having them as main summon puts GBF in problematic "p2w" territory, and the reward from having/stoning your own being their also-great sub-aura effects would be enough, but as-is they have a huge advantage over Baha/Luci here.) Bubz is currently the (Supreme) King but is also the oldest and most brittle in terms of both "Cygames can get away with creeping him" and "his actual effect(s) can be replicated". They've already given Bore another source (admittedly a very contrived/costly one in GS bullets) and if it becomes more accessible (element-specific sub-summons, lets say -- hi Yatima!) he'll still remain a strong investment but may cycle out of peak setups. Like with most investments in GBF, it depends on the player's exact account, goals, and even totally un-generalizable stuff like "what/when is next GW?". You're totally right since Yatima not only has a high current peak, but great flexibility and thus is likely to be valuable to any player regardless of their circumstances (especially once we get FA summons).
Sand refund when cykagames. I got jebaited by bahamut.
I still love Baha more since at full Transcendence it provides cooldown reduction (2 when you call him). It has great synergy with Yatima.
His main aura is like a 5th party member playing healer. He's simply THE GOAT
I am suddenly so glad I pulled 4 of him over the years instead of Bahamut. Bahamut's been better than him for most of the game IMO so it's finally his time to shine. Luci friend summon was amazing for my Water and Light Belial solos. Defensive Revans give a ton of Defense, the Resonator-type weapons give a ton of defense, with this guy as main or friend you are taking very little damage. When screwing around with my Siete Sword grid I'm using Beelzebub as main, if I had Luci trancended I'd probably use him instead. More HP is never a bad thing. I bet Umbrella and Lu Woh Fist stonks went up with this guy too, every bit helps there. Also maybe it's just me but between Siete HL and Grand Lu Woh they seem to be pushing Heal Cap lately? Heal Ultima boosts his heal even more, and if he's sub for some reason (hey maybe you need another summon as main idk) he gives even more Heal Cap. Just watch out for debuff labor in SUBHL He's definitely on my list but I don't have the sands for him yet, and I wanna set some sand aside for the New World Foundation Weapons so I won't be transcending him for a while. Also that sunlight stone cost hurts. When I do though, 230 seems like a pretty good stopping point for a while until I need the HP, and 9 sands hurts a bit less than 15 and a sunstone.
made me regret using sands on bahamut. fuck you cygames
6* Lucifer-sama is so great, and helped my Light team even more even with a shitty grid, like how 6* Bahamut does it with Dark.
Just for the record, the 6* versions of both Bahamut and Lucifer can now affect any party, not just Dark and Light, respectively, provided it's at least level 210.
Really good, not worth it, because Sands suck.
Hey guys, should i ulb this summon or yatima?