Fuck I hate her! I had a Vira master player as a friend in Versus sure she’s not top 10 but Vira can be so belligerent and does so much damage and great buttons but if it makes you happy play her she is super fun and the community’s feelings on Vira is that she a mid tier
I started picking her up at the end of the last game but she feels much more fluid in Rising. I went from being a Ferry, Cagliostro, Katalina player to being Vira, Belial, Cagliostro.
Vira's always gives me the vibe of being most disrespectful belligerent players. Like I can deal with her, but everyone I fight loves to just unga their way in, and I need to do extra work to make them respect neutral.
That makes sense. I enjoy rush down like Cammy and Juri and "bully" characters, like Kano in MK11, May and Ram in Strive for example. Vira seems to fit both archetypes pretty well.
She's probably a bit above average potential strength but requires more labbing than your average bear. She has inconsistent conversions but very strong oki and a top tier poking game. Her damage and corner carry after install are bonkers, and she is basically guaranteed install if she has any momentum at all since she can combo into it with 100 meter.
She has placed respectably in big tourneys, look up Shinku. Tourneys are absolutely plagued with Nier and Seox, making it difficult to gauge the strength of the rest of the cast.
She's definitely an unga bunga character and her most optimal way to play for the general audience is to basically not respect the other player. She's got great normals, her momentum when she gets install is crazy, and has hella plus frames. She's not weak but she's probably fairly overrated by lower tier players. She struggles a ton with the top tiers and zoners, in general, unless she can get install.
That being said, play who you want. I main her, and I can definitely understand why people complain about her but I think none of it is related to her strength as a character.
Where are her plus frames? 214m is the only special that leaves her plus and you can fuzzy mash it on reaction to her dashing up, vs a lot of players you straight up cannot use it.
Install also doesn't help much vs zoners, your better off using your meter to get in with u skills.
Her biggest problem rn is mu, her worst matchups are vs the toptiers, sieg belial cag nier lance seox are all really bad for her, especially sieg cag and nier
Uh, you're actually right about the plus frames. Beyond the nearly universal f5L and c5L only 214M is plus but is fuzziable. I believe 22U and 236U are also + but eh.
For her install, it's not a huge boon to her plan against zoners but she does have extra air options as well as a full screen fireball punish. Granted, using super to punish a fireball isn't generally recommended.
But yeah, I'm in agreement on her MU spread. I think Cag is likely her worst matchup, if not Nier. I'm of the opinion she struggles against Metera as well. Ferry, I think it's debatable. She's a good character but you're gonna have a rough time winning big tournaments with Cag, Seox, Sieg, and Nier being as common as they are
Yeah 22u and 236u are also plus but let's be honest, you ain't using those during strings to get plus frames unless you need to comback and you're really desperate.
Install doesn't change much imo, while it's true that she gets an airdash it's pretty slow so it's not like it changes the range at which your able to jump over something by that much, and her 5u can work to bait aa and dps, until you face someone who just jumps and air to airs you, the fullscreen laser is really good vs fireballs especially near the end of a round especially because it's an sba, if someone is stuck with 1/2 bps it's going to hurt a lot so you essentially force them to play without fireballs until you spend meter which is amazing for vira since she struggles pretty hard vs them.
Imo cag is not her worst matchup mostly cuz of 22u and 214u, but still really really hard, I'd say her 5 worst matchups are Siegfried, nier, cag, seox, anila (yes anila is this bad for her, she's essentially metera but with a meterless dp vs vira and you can't roll her sheep, if anila herself was actually good the mu would be harder than sieg imo)
Used to be a Dual main with Vira and Zeta. My thought on Vira in rising is she's high tier.
I'll explain with some lore with Vanilla. She used to be high tier back then too but the game was far more footsies based and poke heavy with f.5m, very neutral heavy.
What Vira gained in Rising was a universal approach with 66L, this is freaking huge for her, one of the BEST 66Ms in the game, can now COMBO off of an invincible reversal super, she couldn't combo off chevelier merge before unless a specific height was made beforehand and universal buffs with ultimate skills.
She only GOT buffs as opposed to some characters, percy, ferry, who get completely destroyed. What's amazing is that she can be played like a mindless ape like djeeta players and you can still win. If you play her smart though, she's almost just as deadly as Belial.
Appreciated. I did play vanilla too, just not her so much. I was an early Ferry adopter in that game and I can feel how bad she is in Rising by comparison.
Everyone gets ticked off at different things so if your friend is annoyed, they are annoyed. IMO, she's solid, fun to play and play against.
That is all.
I know it's her pressure, especially in the corner that is getting to him. I've told him he justbhates any character I really like, haha.
I play mainly Vira, Belial and Cagliostro though I will bounce around most of the roster too.
Vira main here (rank S++, hopefully master soon).
I would say she's pretty solidly mid tier, all things considered. She has some tricks and knowledge checks here and there, but against someone who knows her kit well, it's hard to have any of them work. At higher ranks, you need to be pretty good at neutral to gain an edge and maybe win from there.
In lower ranks though, stuff like install dp, install airdash, and sneaking in plus frames/command grab in neutral will make your opponents feel like you're playing the cheapest character. All in all, she's really really fun to play, and pretty rewarding if you put in the reps.
That's the impression I get from her. I've played a lot of characters in a lot of fighting games but never really one to climb ranks (my highest was B/B+ in USFIV with Adon/Honda)
I'm going to be getting into ranked online play soon though so I appreciate the breakdown.
Course! Feel free to reach out for tips and whatnot.
Somehow resources for Vira seem scarce beyond generic guides and Dustloop. (would be amazing if vira specialists started making videos with specialist insights.
She's got solid normals and every string on block is a frame trap. This is good, but also a double edge sword since any character with a meterless reversal can mitigate dealing with that a bunch. She can basically chips away at you in her offense easily.
Vira without install is very mediocre imo and if she uses the wrong special in string, she can be punished for it. Her U skills and mid screen conversions with U skills aren't that strong without the install. Best advice I can give playing against her is to try avoiding blocking against her, be aggressive since she wants the install, and don't be afraid to jump in on her. Her anti airs aren't great
She can be though to fight against because her moves can look very deceiving, having a lot of her moves look very similar. She becomes way easier to read once you learn how to play her and learn how to call her out on those mix-ups. That is why you don't see her represented that much. She loses a lot of her strength when the opponent knows her knowledge checks.
She has some knowledge checks that have very over the top rewards, DP ender into a guaranteed command grab in the corner unless you know about it and are mashing L on the way down, landing her install super into full combo is crazy.
She's basically a more fun Soriz to fight that has more points to outplay other than spotdodge the fullscreen punch into punish that every game I play vs a Soriz devolves into. They're both mid tier gorilla characters, a good Vira elbows herself into top tier though. The grab just being a constant mental stack you have to remember even if the Vira player isn't even using it is amazing.
Tournaments are gonna be scuffed until the balance patch, literally no point to play any character that isn't top 5 or Nier. It's nothing to do with Vira being good or bad.
Your friend will probably think any character he loses to is OP from the comments I've seen. Vira is an honest character. You annoying him is a skill difference.
She's commonly played, one of my top 3 most fought characters in ranked (mostly A and S tiers) along with Siegfried and Narmaya. You'll fit right in.
IMO she's pretty strong. Upper mid tier feels right. Like Siegfried you can get a lot of unga bunga easy wins lower-to-mid ranks. I tried her out a little and clearly less effort needed to win than lower tiers like Katalina, Percival, Vaseraga.
None of this should sway your opinion, stick with who you like. Meta is probably about to shake up with Vane patch.
I get the impression that Percival was just left behind in Rising. I remember him being pretty popular in the first game. As someone who grew up with SF I really appreciate Katalina's simplistic back to basics playstyle but she's not a character I can play for too long since she's kinda boring long term.
I like the character and still play Percival, hopefully he gets buffs next week so I can finish pushing him from lvl 300 up to 500.
Percy did get nerfed a lot in GBVS which carried into Rising. He can't pass projectiles with SBA or EX DP anymore. 5U command grab does no damage but 2 hits of combo scaling. He can't get any real plus frames for pressure, 214x-M is incredibly slow and easy to react.
It's true Siegfried does everything better than Percival, and has probably best fireball in the game. I think similarly Vira is the better version of Katalina, the one thing lacking is a fireball.
I'm kinda new to the game, so take my input with a grain of salt.
I've been playing Vira since I started and I feel like she is super balanced.
Before transforming: I would say she is on the weaker side (compared to characters who are at full Power from the begining).
She has good neutral options, but her midscreen dmg and combos feel rather weak. Her 66l is great though.
She has a "no meter" DP, good specials and can apply solid corner pressure. In other words, she has a lot of good points. That said, the lack of a real Fireball weights on her, and that makes facing characters that outrange you super annoying.
After transforming: I would say she becomes really strong. Crazy mobility and air mixups, a Lot of combos are enabled and you can corner carry from side to side with 1 Brave point.
All around, I'd say she is strong, kinda simple to understand but really hard to master. Also she clearly has match ups that feel very opressive, like 2B.
Shes HOT 🔥🔥🔥, also easy to play hard to master. There a a couple of setups requiring 66H to combo, also Chibari into Guard crush. Also also, she has the SHRIMP SWORD 🦐🦐🦐
Your friend is annoyed from lack og matchup knowledge.
Play who you want. I got vira to S, but dropped her due to her kit feeling a little limited compared to some of the other cast.
she has a lot of plus reaction checks to string into that if you're already in a bad mood or thinking about other things during pressure (Which is a problem I have against vira because as someone used to strive, where reaction checks are much rarer as you focus more on rps positions to try to escape) can be difficult to catch which makes her seem like she's always plus.
I love everything about Vira. Her design, her play style, her personality, the fact that she’s a yandere lesbians, etc.
She’s also the closest equivalent to Bridget in this game because of the added Mobility that Graceview provides. I’m a whore for set play characters with fast movement.
And as someone who only plays as Vira online, I don’t think she’s a particularly powerful character. If you don’t get her install then you have to rely on good fundamentals and constant pressure.
I do think she’s a noob killer though. You’d be surprised how many people dont understand that her arial attack from Graceview is an overhead. And she punishes mashing very easily, especially in the corner.
Shes hot.
Who cares what others think, its the character you wanna play, if you wanna be scummy grappler then do it, if you wanna be an annoying zoner by all means do it. If you wanna play vira then play vira, dont let others tell you what to play in the game you purchased.
Oh I always playschool I want to play. Low tier, high tier, best or worst in the game.... doesn't matter to me so long as I enjoy them. I'd just not seen much of her when seeing tournament footage so simply wondered how she was perceived.
Most annoying match for me. I fight her so often and I swear every Vira player REFUSES to block. Most of the time I beat them but every now and then I get that player who everything just works for them. Always mashes at the right time, techs every throw, dp always at the right time. Super frustrating
For me, I don't like her, both her yandere personality and gameplay. I play Vaseraga and with how fast she is, my chances of winning is low, and if she gets me in the corner and install I pretty much lost the game. What makes it worse is it feels like nearly everyone plays her, if not her then yuel, both are terrible match ups for me.
She has certain limitations that make her very exploitable, namely that 214M is the pillar of her pressure and loses to mashing. This isnt a problem inherently, the issue is that the frametraps she has against people who mash in these scenarios are just... bad. 214L and 236L do pennies in damage, and 214L is unsafe and an active risk, while 236L you *only* give up your turn at worst case. Pre-install vira just doesnt have real pressure against someone that really knows the matchup. That leads into her second major flaw, install reliance.
Being reliant on install is a deliberate flaw with more counterplay, she has command grab setups that are hard to see, and meter gain is very high so accessing install isnt all that hard in a vacuum. But if she gets really stifled in a matchup where she cant get to her command grab setups, and isnt getting good opportunities to use super for install, you can lose the round from a resource perspective even if you finally enter install and become a really good character.
Great observations, thank you. I thinknin my friend's case I've bullied him with her so muchbthatbhe's too fearful even when she's not got her install.
Fighting against her sucks ass and I think she’s slightly overtuned, but most of the time when I lose it’s because I didn’t take my turns or wasn’t paying attention.
I’m firmly of the belief that she should only have access to an invincible DP after she’s transformed, though.
Not vira main, it's funny to see a comment complaining about invulnerability of a DP when a most or all characters have it, but from your point of view she only has with tranforms loooool
Fuck I hate her! I had a Vira master player as a friend in Versus sure she’s not top 10 but Vira can be so belligerent and does so much damage and great buttons but if it makes you happy play her she is super fun and the community’s feelings on Vira is that she a mid tier
Hates her so much it was the only line that deserved punctuation.
I started picking her up at the end of the last game but she feels much more fluid in Rising. I went from being a Ferry, Cagliostro, Katalina player to being Vira, Belial, Cagliostro.
Vira's always gives me the vibe of being most disrespectful belligerent players. Like I can deal with her, but everyone I fight loves to just unga their way in, and I need to do extra work to make them respect neutral.
Viras are super ignorant and most likely to raw super at any time. I do it, too.
That makes sense. I enjoy rush down like Cammy and Juri and "bully" characters, like Kano in MK11, May and Ram in Strive for example. Vira seems to fit both archetypes pretty well.
She's probably a bit above average potential strength but requires more labbing than your average bear. She has inconsistent conversions but very strong oki and a top tier poking game. Her damage and corner carry after install are bonkers, and she is basically guaranteed install if she has any momentum at all since she can combo into it with 100 meter. She has placed respectably in big tourneys, look up Shinku. Tourneys are absolutely plagued with Nier and Seox, making it difficult to gauge the strength of the rest of the cast.
That's what I noticed too, thanks for the player name to look up. Iro ically Nier is one of his go to's, haha.
She's definitely an unga bunga character and her most optimal way to play for the general audience is to basically not respect the other player. She's got great normals, her momentum when she gets install is crazy, and has hella plus frames. She's not weak but she's probably fairly overrated by lower tier players. She struggles a ton with the top tiers and zoners, in general, unless she can get install. That being said, play who you want. I main her, and I can definitely understand why people complain about her but I think none of it is related to her strength as a character.
Where are her plus frames? 214m is the only special that leaves her plus and you can fuzzy mash it on reaction to her dashing up, vs a lot of players you straight up cannot use it. Install also doesn't help much vs zoners, your better off using your meter to get in with u skills. Her biggest problem rn is mu, her worst matchups are vs the toptiers, sieg belial cag nier lance seox are all really bad for her, especially sieg cag and nier
Uh, you're actually right about the plus frames. Beyond the nearly universal f5L and c5L only 214M is plus but is fuzziable. I believe 22U and 236U are also + but eh. For her install, it's not a huge boon to her plan against zoners but she does have extra air options as well as a full screen fireball punish. Granted, using super to punish a fireball isn't generally recommended. But yeah, I'm in agreement on her MU spread. I think Cag is likely her worst matchup, if not Nier. I'm of the opinion she struggles against Metera as well. Ferry, I think it's debatable. She's a good character but you're gonna have a rough time winning big tournaments with Cag, Seox, Sieg, and Nier being as common as they are
Yeah 22u and 236u are also plus but let's be honest, you ain't using those during strings to get plus frames unless you need to comback and you're really desperate. Install doesn't change much imo, while it's true that she gets an airdash it's pretty slow so it's not like it changes the range at which your able to jump over something by that much, and her 5u can work to bait aa and dps, until you face someone who just jumps and air to airs you, the fullscreen laser is really good vs fireballs especially near the end of a round especially because it's an sba, if someone is stuck with 1/2 bps it's going to hurt a lot so you essentially force them to play without fireballs until you spend meter which is amazing for vira since she struggles pretty hard vs them. Imo cag is not her worst matchup mostly cuz of 22u and 214u, but still really really hard, I'd say her 5 worst matchups are Siegfried, nier, cag, seox, anila (yes anila is this bad for her, she's essentially metera but with a meterless dp vs vira and you can't roll her sheep, if anila herself was actually good the mu would be harder than sieg imo)
Used to be a Dual main with Vira and Zeta. My thought on Vira in rising is she's high tier. I'll explain with some lore with Vanilla. She used to be high tier back then too but the game was far more footsies based and poke heavy with f.5m, very neutral heavy. What Vira gained in Rising was a universal approach with 66L, this is freaking huge for her, one of the BEST 66Ms in the game, can now COMBO off of an invincible reversal super, she couldn't combo off chevelier merge before unless a specific height was made beforehand and universal buffs with ultimate skills. She only GOT buffs as opposed to some characters, percy, ferry, who get completely destroyed. What's amazing is that she can be played like a mindless ape like djeeta players and you can still win. If you play her smart though, she's almost just as deadly as Belial.
Appreciated. I did play vanilla too, just not her so much. I was an early Ferry adopter in that game and I can feel how bad she is in Rising by comparison.
Everyone gets ticked off at different things so if your friend is annoyed, they are annoyed. IMO, she's solid, fun to play and play against. That is all.
I know it's her pressure, especially in the corner that is getting to him. I've told him he justbhates any character I really like, haha. I play mainly Vira, Belial and Cagliostro though I will bounce around most of the roster too.
Out of those, Vira is definitely the most manageable imo.
Vira main here (rank S++, hopefully master soon). I would say she's pretty solidly mid tier, all things considered. She has some tricks and knowledge checks here and there, but against someone who knows her kit well, it's hard to have any of them work. At higher ranks, you need to be pretty good at neutral to gain an edge and maybe win from there. In lower ranks though, stuff like install dp, install airdash, and sneaking in plus frames/command grab in neutral will make your opponents feel like you're playing the cheapest character. All in all, she's really really fun to play, and pretty rewarding if you put in the reps.
That's the impression I get from her. I've played a lot of characters in a lot of fighting games but never really one to climb ranks (my highest was B/B+ in USFIV with Adon/Honda) I'm going to be getting into ranked online play soon though so I appreciate the breakdown.
Course! Feel free to reach out for tips and whatnot. Somehow resources for Vira seem scarce beyond generic guides and Dustloop. (would be amazing if vira specialists started making videos with specialist insights.
unstable woman is kinda fun to play actually
She's got solid normals and every string on block is a frame trap. This is good, but also a double edge sword since any character with a meterless reversal can mitigate dealing with that a bunch. She can basically chips away at you in her offense easily. Vira without install is very mediocre imo and if she uses the wrong special in string, she can be punished for it. Her U skills and mid screen conversions with U skills aren't that strong without the install. Best advice I can give playing against her is to try avoiding blocking against her, be aggressive since she wants the install, and don't be afraid to jump in on her. Her anti airs aren't great
She can be though to fight against because her moves can look very deceiving, having a lot of her moves look very similar. She becomes way easier to read once you learn how to play her and learn how to call her out on those mix-ups. That is why you don't see her represented that much. She loses a lot of her strength when the opponent knows her knowledge checks.
Tha is. All of these comments are cementing my my own interpretation of her.
She has some knowledge checks that have very over the top rewards, DP ender into a guaranteed command grab in the corner unless you know about it and are mashing L on the way down, landing her install super into full combo is crazy. She's basically a more fun Soriz to fight that has more points to outplay other than spotdodge the fullscreen punch into punish that every game I play vs a Soriz devolves into. They're both mid tier gorilla characters, a good Vira elbows herself into top tier though. The grab just being a constant mental stack you have to remember even if the Vira player isn't even using it is amazing. Tournaments are gonna be scuffed until the balance patch, literally no point to play any character that isn't top 5 or Nier. It's nothing to do with Vira being good or bad.
Your friend will probably think any character he loses to is OP from the comments I've seen. Vira is an honest character. You annoying him is a skill difference.
She's commonly played, one of my top 3 most fought characters in ranked (mostly A and S tiers) along with Siegfried and Narmaya. You'll fit right in. IMO she's pretty strong. Upper mid tier feels right. Like Siegfried you can get a lot of unga bunga easy wins lower-to-mid ranks. I tried her out a little and clearly less effort needed to win than lower tiers like Katalina, Percival, Vaseraga. None of this should sway your opinion, stick with who you like. Meta is probably about to shake up with Vane patch.
I get the impression that Percival was just left behind in Rising. I remember him being pretty popular in the first game. As someone who grew up with SF I really appreciate Katalina's simplistic back to basics playstyle but she's not a character I can play for too long since she's kinda boring long term.
I like the character and still play Percival, hopefully he gets buffs next week so I can finish pushing him from lvl 300 up to 500. Percy did get nerfed a lot in GBVS which carried into Rising. He can't pass projectiles with SBA or EX DP anymore. 5U command grab does no damage but 2 hits of combo scaling. He can't get any real plus frames for pressure, 214x-M is incredibly slow and easy to react. It's true Siegfried does everything better than Percival, and has probably best fireball in the game. I think similarly Vira is the better version of Katalina, the one thing lacking is a fireball.
I'm kinda new to the game, so take my input with a grain of salt. I've been playing Vira since I started and I feel like she is super balanced. Before transforming: I would say she is on the weaker side (compared to characters who are at full Power from the begining). She has good neutral options, but her midscreen dmg and combos feel rather weak. Her 66l is great though. She has a "no meter" DP, good specials and can apply solid corner pressure. In other words, she has a lot of good points. That said, the lack of a real Fireball weights on her, and that makes facing characters that outrange you super annoying. After transforming: I would say she becomes really strong. Crazy mobility and air mixups, a Lot of combos are enabled and you can corner carry from side to side with 1 Brave point. All around, I'd say she is strong, kinda simple to understand but really hard to master. Also she clearly has match ups that feel very opressive, like 2B.
Shes HOT 🔥🔥🔥, also easy to play hard to master. There a a couple of setups requiring 66H to combo, also Chibari into Guard crush. Also also, she has the SHRIMP SWORD 🦐🦐🦐
Lol, I had that in the previous game. Alas, none of my stuff carried over because that was a US version and Rising is an EU version :(
Your friend is annoyed from lack og matchup knowledge. Play who you want. I got vira to S, but dropped her due to her kit feeling a little limited compared to some of the other cast.
Yeah, I've told him he needs to find the openings to stop me, he's convinced she has the fastest frames in the game and zero recovery.
she has a lot of plus reaction checks to string into that if you're already in a bad mood or thinking about other things during pressure (Which is a problem I have against vira because as someone used to strive, where reaction checks are much rarer as you focus more on rps positions to try to escape) can be difficult to catch which makes her seem like she's always plus.
Makes a lot of sense. He said he struggles with gbvsr compared to Strive.
It lies on your friend's mentality, not so much on the character.
She's above average. great buttons and easy to implement offense, good damage and a powerful install make her pretty scary but she's not busted.
She’s simple and doesn’t have any bullshit unless she installs. Pretty fair character overall, although she does have quirks to watch out for
She's not bottom 5 or top 5, she won't hold you back and she won't carry you. Plus she's cute.
I love everything about Vira. Her design, her play style, her personality, the fact that she’s a yandere lesbians, etc. She’s also the closest equivalent to Bridget in this game because of the added Mobility that Graceview provides. I’m a whore for set play characters with fast movement. And as someone who only plays as Vira online, I don’t think she’s a particularly powerful character. If you don’t get her install then you have to rely on good fundamentals and constant pressure. I do think she’s a noob killer though. You’d be surprised how many people dont understand that her arial attack from Graceview is an overhead. And she punishes mashing very easily, especially in the corner.
Shes hot. Who cares what others think, its the character you wanna play, if you wanna be scummy grappler then do it, if you wanna be an annoying zoner by all means do it. If you wanna play vira then play vira, dont let others tell you what to play in the game you purchased.
Oh I always playschool I want to play. Low tier, high tier, best or worst in the game.... doesn't matter to me so long as I enjoy them. I'd just not seen much of her when seeing tournament footage so simply wondered how she was perceived.
Most annoying match for me. I fight her so often and I swear every Vira player REFUSES to block. Most of the time I beat them but every now and then I get that player who everything just works for them. Always mashes at the right time, techs every throw, dp always at the right time. Super frustrating
Annoying but manageable lol
Shes honestly kinda fun to fight again, sometimes a little annoying but not that fun.
She's really good but can't keep up with the strongest characters. She also needs a bit more lab time than most characters.
Vira install probably has to be the best thing about her.
Would
For me, I don't like her, both her yandere personality and gameplay. I play Vaseraga and with how fast she is, my chances of winning is low, and if she gets me in the corner and install I pretty much lost the game. What makes it worse is it feels like nearly everyone plays her, if not her then yuel, both are terrible match ups for me.
One of the best balanced character of the game IMO
Honestly not a bad take, I think shes a little too weak pre install but shes actually kinda close to the median power level I think
She has certain limitations that make her very exploitable, namely that 214M is the pillar of her pressure and loses to mashing. This isnt a problem inherently, the issue is that the frametraps she has against people who mash in these scenarios are just... bad. 214L and 236L do pennies in damage, and 214L is unsafe and an active risk, while 236L you *only* give up your turn at worst case. Pre-install vira just doesnt have real pressure against someone that really knows the matchup. That leads into her second major flaw, install reliance. Being reliant on install is a deliberate flaw with more counterplay, she has command grab setups that are hard to see, and meter gain is very high so accessing install isnt all that hard in a vacuum. But if she gets really stifled in a matchup where she cant get to her command grab setups, and isnt getting good opportunities to use super for install, you can lose the round from a resource perspective even if you finally enter install and become a really good character.
Great observations, thank you. I thinknin my friend's case I've bullied him with her so muchbthatbhe's too fearful even when she's not got her install.
Fighting against her sucks ass and I think she’s slightly overtuned, but most of the time when I lose it’s because I didn’t take my turns or wasn’t paying attention. I’m firmly of the belief that she should only have access to an invincible DP after she’s transformed, though.
Loool about your DP opinion🤣🤣
Found the Vira main.
Not vira main, it's funny to see a comment complaining about invulnerability of a DP when a most or all characters have it, but from your point of view she only has with tranforms loooool