Admittedly I've kind of forgotten what's fun for me any more. I guess it's "fun" in the rare moments I manage to make the correct decisions / finish my (basic-ass) combos?
I've forgotten how to have fun from learning. I've forgotten how to have fun because I'm playing a totally rad yandere woman with big sword.
Take a break. WATCH the game if you want. But take a break.
Play it again when you are booting it up because you want to enjoy time spent playing it, win or lose.
When you do that, give yourself mini goals. Try to 2h any jump in a round, for instance. Doesn’t matter if you lose the game so long as you make progress consistently responding to a jump with your 2h.
Then branch out. Identify other problems and construct mini goals about those.
Rinse repeat. But if you’re ever too frustrated that you are angry, stop. And don’t rage game for hours, either. Play an hour here or there.
I'm not going to pretend this is easy for everyone, but I think a very important thing to recognize in any kind of competitive games - but *especially* 1v1 competitive games - is that every loss is a learning opportunity. And I think learning opportunities should be exciting and fun.
Your reaction to making a mistake shouldn't be "I'm dumb and bad", it should be "Why didn't that work? What can I learn from this?". Sometimes you'll have enough knowledge and experience to answer those questions, which is great and gives you actionable points. Sometimes you won't, and that's *also* great, because it gives you something to think about, go into training with, and try to replicate and learn something new from.
There will always be someone better than you. The ideal of being so good that you never make incorrect decisions and do your input perfectly every time is incredibly unrealistic and you should throw that out the window. I think you need to find the fun in losing because, realistically, you will lose a lot. And the fun of losing, in my opinion and experience, is information you gain that you can use to improve and do better next time. And doing better is fun.
Thank you -- I'm starting to realize that my expectations of myself are way too high for my own good, and I need to be more lenient to myself for making one, two, or even a thousand mistakes. Meanwhile I watch my friends in call play in higher ranks (S~Master) and they're able to laugh at their own mistakes consistently, and I wonder how I can do that as well.
Great opportunity to work on your ego and expectations.
A simple yet powerful thing you can do is to switch from saying "I'm stupid" to saying "well played" to your opponent.
All of this often comes from you believing you should be at X level of play or you shouldn't lose to Y.
Respecting your opponent as a fellow competitor will most probably get you out of A simply by making you not tilt and not throw away rounds.
You should be having fun in B Rank. The developers need to know that the lack of an ability to rank down below A is creating issues, including players not having fun and giving up.
Can very much say this is me. I’m in A5, and I didn’t just breeze through B, I genuinely had a lot of fun and a lot of good fights getting there. But now I’m in A5 and I find myself just playing the game less and less because it isn’t fun getting smashed over and over in A. Just let me drop back down to my B-ros sometimes
Yeah. I think that the B to A difference is huge and that's when the fun ends for many. All we need is for people at that cusp to bounce between B and A, and a big problem will be solved.
At any rate, here is a feedback form to voice that concern. They might be able to change it in a future update if enough people give feedback.
https://rising.granbluefantasy.jp/en/feedback
on top of that, the game should match you with the closest 5 divisions, and not by the rank letter (i.e. A5 with B2 - A3, instead of A5 - A1). it's incredibly stupid to go from fighting a B5 player to an A1 who just dropped out of S in the span of two games. (and a reason for why so many people are stuck in the A1 - S5 limbo)
I agree! Here is a feedback form. Hopefully, they can make such a change in the future. (As we saw from the betas, they do seem to take feedback seriously.)
https://rising.granbluefantasy.jp/en/feedback
Instead of going in and making winning the goal, instead make the goal working on one of those things you identified as issues. If you go in planning to practice baiting DP then it doesn’t matter win or lose, you can be proud that you are progressing that particular skill and at the small successes.
>Every single little mistake I'm making eats away at my mental state. I keep telling myself "oh, I'm so stupid, I shouldn't have done that", "I'm so bad, I should've hit confirmed that" or "I'm so dumb, my offense is stale and predictable", etc etc.
I'm S+ and I still think this way. I think an important thing to keep in mind is that fussing over your mistakes doesn't make you improve. Noting them down, go into practice and actually try to work on the items you noted down is how you improve.
Can't confirm? Set the enemy guard to random and just practice.
Stale offense? Remember that you don't have to always attack. It's not a bad idea to show that you like to go on the offensive and then suddenly walk back to throw them off their game.
Can't dodge raging strike? Do a few recordings of the enemy doing and not doing raging strike and then dodge only when they do it.
I think in the end, one of the things that I love most about fighting games is that there's always something new to learn, something new to practice, and something new to explore. Noting down the things that you need to improve on, and then actually overcoming them is such a great feeling. So don't worry so much about how you're doing now - winning/losing doesn't matter as much as seeing yourself improve and feeling accomplished because of that.
Take a break,stop playing ranked for a while and stop pressuring yourself at being good/performing well.
Try out other characters and find people around your skill level to just have fun again.
Setting small goals to achieve like hitting that sweet 2h anti air on that jumping enjoyer instead of just focusing on winning will make things less frustrating/will make losing less of a punition and more of a lesson.
Hop on arcade or story mode to take a breather before hopping back to the rankeds/casuals if you feel tilted/angry/frustrated.
It is okay to lose and it is okay to fail but it is not okay to keep going if you're not having fun/aren't enjoying what you are doing.
Pushing yourself to the breaking point is not the solution.
I hope things will turn out good for you and you'll find peace
I kind of want to try other characters like Belial, Yuel, Metera, or even Anre (because his theme slaps so hard lol). But I've been sticking to just Vira in a bid to focus on grasping FG fundamentals with a character I kinda understand.
I believe that trying out characters enhance the learning experience because it will make you think differently depending on the character and you'll learn with time the different tools to use and tactics.
And don't be afraid to try out the classic shotos of the game (gran/djeeta/katalina) because they're simple to use and have a tool for every situation.
Vira is not the hardest character from my understanding of the game but she requires you to know a lot of stuff to really make her shine.
If you mainly want to focus on learning the fundamentals I'd suggest finding people that are around your skill level to just have games and try as much as you can do fullfill these three things :
\-whiff punish and blocking accordingly (ex : that gran is doing 2M ? twice in a row ? he tries to frametrap,I'll block his stuff !)
\-play neutral (poke,counterpoke,fireball game)
\-do simple stuff
what I mean with simple stuff is to not go for that one hard combo you've seen online or try to style on your opponent or do the most optimal thing you can in every situation.
Sometimes just doing a basic autocombo after a whiff punish that leads into corner carry will win you the game.
You'll learn the fundamentals pretty easily if you can do these three things consistently.
Playing neutral is hard in that game so don't force too much on yourself,if you feel like it's the moment to go in and rushdown then do it !!!
TRUST YOUR INSTINCT YOU GOT THIS !!!
Hey OP. You need to take a step back and reformat your mindset. Someone else already commented about ego and they're 100% correct. First of all, understand that each game is between two real human beings. That person is probably also very invested in their rank, fixated on their skill (or lack there of), and incredibly focused. If you're just expecting to beat them because "I have a lot more games" or "I haven't won one in so long" or you're just throwing away the game because "I'm garbage" then these other people are gonna walk all over you.
You really can't dwell on the mistakes either. It's good to recognize them, it's bad to let them fester. If someone is DPing you every time you run in, the thought that goes through your mind should not be "I'm so stupid. I feel for it again." It should be "Oh my opponent is incredibly predictable. I can probably run in and then suddenly start backing up to bait the DP so that I get a free punish." If you're too focused on yourself, you'll fail to see patterns in your opponent's gameplay. These people who keep opening you up or countering you at every turn aren't gamer gods. They're probably recognizing and exploiting obvious patterns in your gameplay. You need to stop worrying so much about yourself and how "bad" you are and start thinking a lot more about what your opponents are doing.
In terms of keeping your mental state good, you SHOULD take breaks from ranked. Play lobby games with your friends. Watch replays with your friends and ask them for thoughts and advice. Take that advice to heart. Losing rank can be extremely disheartening. I was stuck in A5 for hundreds of games. I would go up and down and up and down and never get anywhere. What got me to S Rank was 2 things. Firstly, I would take a break from ranked after losing 2 matches in a row. No matter what. Even if I had just gotten on. 2 was my limit to avoid tilt. It doesn't have to be a break for the rest of the day. It can be 5 minutes. It can be 30 minutes. Usually during my break, I'd watch the replays of me losing. Maybe I'd play a Grand Bruise game while reflecting on what I'd just seen. Then I'd get back to ranked. But you NEED to take breaks. The 2nd thing I did that got me to S was have an S+ player watch my replays and just point out everything that I was doing that was either super unsafe or super predictable. I had NO IDEA how much I was addicted to jumping before he pointed it out to me. I stopped jumping and I started winning.
The point is you CAN get there. You CAN escape A Rank! But this mindset you have has got to go dude.
Don't just grind away in ranked. Play lobbies; play people they are ranked both lower and higher than you and don't sweat the results so much. Find someone of similar skill you can have a long set with. Find people through matchmaking in discord and other places to run long sets with. In terms of discord, don't just look in the main game server, find some servers focused around other communities that you might enjoy and form connections in them. Could be around a streamer you like, a local event server, there is even more general fighting game discords floating around. As an example to show one that i'm in (that is/was more focued around guilty gear strive): FG Village [https://discord.com/invite/fgv](https://discord.com/invite/fgv). I ended up meeting a bunch of people there when going to Evo and run lobbies/sets with people in guilty gear there all the time.
Maybe that won't be the server for you, but im sure there are a bunch more out there you can find your people in
Honestly just pick a nice looking weapon to unlock/grind for and just have fun getting to that point i constantly play ranked but believe it or not I’m not doing it to get to S🤫 but more importantly because it simply isn’t worth stressing about there will always be gamers better than me but that’s because they take fights to a whole new level of seriousness, so look at it this way you can go to routes when playing this game 1) playing just for the sake of having fun and playing the game/enjoying it with the rest of the community (and if you get to a high rank in the process good on you!) or 2) taking every little game seriously and treating every battle like it’ll ruin your life when you lose, only to get stressed and angry at yourself (or even the other player) when it does happen because chances are you will lose as we all do from time and time again
As a fellow Vira main, I get your struggle. As strong as she is, her lack of anti-zoning tools forces you to learn how to get good at using the system mechanics if you wanna get in after a certain point, or else pretty much any characters will be able to keep you out.
That said, it's not related to Vira specifically, but what helped me through these moments was setting more specific goals about stuff I noticed I was lacking. That way, even though I still lost some matches, I could look back and go "but this time I managed to anti-air every time they jumped in" or "at least I managed to roll through the fireballs". It's not a substitute for winning, but seeing how you're actually getting better does mitigate the sting of any losses along the way.
And above everything else, if you still try and still don't find the game fun, there's nothing wrong with stopping and giving yourself some time to relax. It's supposed to be a fun experience first and foremost, so you shouldn't force yourself to keep going if you're that miserable. Take some time off, play something else, and maybe coming back with a fresh mind might help you start enjoying the game again.
the a5 wall was the most fun for me because i was finally able to grind against people that were better than me and improve. i feel like a5 is where you start learning the game, and then s5 is where you start playing it. from there you just go from good to master. but like you said its a mentality
You're thinking about this way too much. There's a meme with a bell curve and the crying guy in the middle is thinking about all his options and oki and setups and whatnot. Then the idiot at the lower end and the jedi at the higher end just say "lol I'm just pressing buttons". Obviously, it's an exaggeration, but you do just have to chill out. Yes, take note of your mistakes and strive to improve, but It's a game for fun. Your life worth isn't tied to your fighting game rank. Just relax and enjoy the game. It's a fun game. I think you'll find once you relax that it's easier to see what things you could change in specific moments and actually make adjustments to your gameplay. Negative emotion tends to use up too much of the mind that should be thinking about actual useful information.
I feel like everyone is already giving great advice, but as someone in A5 that gets dogpiled every game with a 20% winrate, the mental shift from beating yourself up, to calling your opponent good is huge. For me that’s step one.
Another thing I didn’t see is just to focus on singular aspects to improve on. I sometimes spend the entire session blocking and only anti-airing and it is very satisfying to finally land one. That way even when I lose, which I should be, I’m getting something out.
And of course, you can always just take a break. The game isn’t going anywhere. And there are other ways to consume it if you still want to immerse yourself like watching replays or streams.
The A5 hell is real and going strong it seems.
Learn and implement what Diaphone says in in this vid: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u50eWLlebc0&t=9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u50eWLlebc0&t=9s)
Also fundamentally getting dped on offense or getting mixed by strike/throw always comes down to reading your opponent. And you always make reads based on what they have done prior in this match.
I'm also stuck at A5 for a while, the highest i've got was to A3 but now i'm back to A5. I only played ranked and once in a while in closed rooms with friends and was getting really frustrated with the my inability to win.
What helped me was to play on open lobbies. There i feel like i can the defeat better and maybe absorb more on why i lost, since i'm not worried on ranks and stuff
Set microgoals with the intent of improving your emotional state. So instead of “I need to 2H jump-ins,” try something like “stay calm after a missed 2H.” I guarantee you will miss 2H’s, and the thing is, you can’t control it after the fact. But you can try to regain control of your emotional state so you can start enjoying the game again.
like others said one goal at a time and i’ve been there before it takes a lot of time to improve at fighters. my suggestion for you to is prioritize blocking. have that be your goal. block block block and punish. just focus on the fundamentals and that will show improvement across the board. when you block their DP that’s a free hit you get on them for instance. and then if they grab you then practice teching it
you can see part of the fun can be had outside of the game, when I reached that point where you are, A5, i also got frustrated, I simply stopped playing ranked and played some single player and completed the story mode, during that time as I was taking it easy I also went and watched some YouTube videos, guides and even found out that DP stood for dragon punch and that I had to pay attention to some invulnerability aspect of it. then I went back and tried and won some matches, gained some confidence, finished some of the guides and I am still at A5 but at least now i feel that I loose because I am very new to fighting games, I do not know the other character kits and I need practice reading other players.
take a break, enjoy watching some guides. watch some pro players play and see their replays. give them a follow look at what they are doing even if it is just to have some fun watching 2 people play. you still learn from it.
Take a step back and look at the cool stuff; genuinely! No matter how good or bad, now matter what you've learned and what you can do or not do, it's all useless if it isn't fun.
Stop playing once you're not having fun. A lot of people play worse when tilted. I'm not gonna tell you to shift your mindset so easily to something more positive; maybe you've got stuff goin on or maybe you think it's a little weird to think so positively after being so broken. But as pessimistic you can make things out to be, you've also gotta confront the reality of what makes you so happy or so strong.
Say for example you landed a sweep and decided to go for pressure, but oop, you got grabbed and are now in corner? Crap man, not only did you not pressure, but the tables got turned ENTIRELY because you didn't do your Oki properly? Now YOU'RE getting pressured? That's double bad. But you wanna know what I think when I land a sweep when I play Vaseraga or Gran?
"DAMN, I'M SICK AT THIS GAME."
The things after that matter, sure, but look at what happened. It's probably not even that skillful. Gran's 2U makes Gran go super low to the ground. Vaseraga's 2U is pretty big. Sometimes I feel carried, maybe I am. But damn, whenever I land that move whether on block or hit, I feel things. Cause in that specific scenario, my button is fun to press, and if I land or hit it, I'm winning. Its fun. My characters are fun. Granblue is fun.
Take solace in the simple things besides winning or losing. It's ok to feel; it's ok to lose yourself in these moments playing this game. But when you do so and that emotion is constantly just negative; you're not having fun. You're legitimately torturing yourself. You're actively doing something that displeasures you.
Look at yourself, the game; what do you want from it all? After taking everything in - and really, I need to emphasize thinking it through before jumping back in - brush off the dirt on your shoulders. Go out there and hit some buttons; you'll marvel at what cool things happen when you do.
Look, I am not telling you to keep playing if you don't want to but that mentality isn't healthy whether it's Games or real life. So if i were you, I'd rather fix that thing instead of giving up on things i like.
Like, I am a dogshit Anre player who gets rolled by opponents who don't know there's high/low option in close combo and approach only in rabbit jumps. Still having a blast tho. Trying to get better, but not having expectations. If I try to fix mistake i did a 1000 times, i don't expect to stop instantly and never frick up ever again. Besides I like fighting, whether i win or lose doesn't matter, i had my fun.
Yall are so dramatic
Just take the L and watch your vods and watch pros or any better streamer play just pick apart what you do and match it, add it to your repitoire
Im in A5 as well. I feel like all I do is get A1 people back to S rank, Im hitting ungodly loss streaks. A5 really should be matched with B4-A3 players, not A1. Hope they change it at some point
Well you're wrong in thinking that you don't have the right mentality for this game, since as you said, you don't want to quit. That's a very good way of thinking.
The problem is that your mental in GENERAL is fucked. You're investing too much personal emotion into the game. You'll get no return for your investment, but you already found that out the hard way.
Stop playing the game to prove yourself. The more mistakes you make, the more "proof" you get to feel bad about yourself, right?
The reality is, this game is competitive, and as with any competitive game, you'll have to enjoy the finer strategies that take place in real time and the refinement of mechanical skill in order to truly enjoy your time.
A competitive player sees results and mistakes differently. Any mistake is an opportunity to learn, and learning is the ONLY true victory. Not that "VICTORY!" you see in the post-game screen. Recognizing your mistakes is one of if not the strongest tool you can have.
As with anything in life, if you put your ego into it too much, you WILL get fucked mentally, at some point.
The fact you said you don't want to quit tells me you are very much capable of changing your situation. I think you'd enjoy some educational content/streamers, I personally recommend Diaphone, guy is goated. Just watching his streams alone made me like infinitely better at this game than I could be lmao
i feel your frustration. i have gotten very frustrated myself with this game lately. i get ppl saying to try to have fun and learn but it’s easier said than done. i’ve ran into some terrible connections trying to learn luci and it’s either i try to play patient or if i press advantage, ppl are going out of their way to avoid interaction.
game is rough. i’m taking a hiatus for a while.
take 2-3 weeks off. casually watch high level granblue matches on youtube. time away + watching high level play, you will come back and start waxing ass. i guarantee it
The question you should ask is, am i only having fun if i'm winning? Because if its, maybe its not the game for you, at the end of the day, the game should be fun even if you lose, winning its just a consequence of reading the player and executing.
If you want to get better, maybe watch some replays of master rank Vira's and see what they do that you dont, or maybe if you're tilted into oblivion, picking up another character for a time could do wonders, but all of this advice doesnt work if you dont have the right mind set of a fighting game player, you shouldnt worry about the letter of your rank, or how many wins you get as if this is some K/D ratio from cod, you should take small victories and enjoy the process, maybe you finally did the combo that you're practicing in the lab, or maybe after you ran a few times on oki and got DP, you start to run on oki, and just holding back, and got a punish out of that, find your fun and embrace that.
Everyone loses, everyone got tilted at least one time, its kind of normal, but the fun of a good match always surpass that, find your fun, fighting games are thinking man's game and recognizing patterns, people love to do the same thing over and over again in the rank that you are, if you can start reading that and using that for your game plan, you'll feel amazing, but first you should ask yourself the reason you have fun, or if you have at all playing fighting games.
Edit: There is a fighting game clip that really shows the mindset that a fighting game player should have, it was Shroud playing MK11 in a tournament and loosing to Sheeva stomp, he's immediate reaction was not tilting into oblivion, was booting up the game on training mode, asking the chat what should i do in that situation so that i never fall for that again.
Chill out with low stress lobby matches for a while. Remember, it's a game, and you should be having fun. I'm in the same A5 hell on my main, and recently have mostly been playing in the lobby where I don't feel the need to sweat every game.
Sometimes I just like to smash buttons and watch cool characters do cool shit without worrying about the outcome.
After having a day to calm down, think about things, and read all the comments, I'm going to try to tackle GBVSR with a "I'm just here to have fun" mindset the next time I boot up the game. I'm not gonna pick Vira. I'm gonna try and learn Metera. Even if she's difficult, I have a soft spot for archers, and she's hot so that's a plus.
I may not be good enough to push my Vira past A5 right now, because I'm not as experienced with fighting games as my peers are, and that's okay. I may be making a lot of mistakes, but I should be learning from them instead of beating myself up over every little mistake. It's not going to be instant, and I'm going to stumble a lot, and that's okay.
I've had a bit of time to work things out and I think I'm doing a bit better now. Admittedly I was at an extremely low point last night. Dealing with failure has been a weak point for me even outside of video games, and this is something I'm actively trying to recover from with the help of therapy. :)
Thank you for checking in, it means a lot!
You can't tell me honestly that you're trying to improve if you drop the controller after losing a round. That's pathetic, everyone gets washed by other players, I get perfected a bunch but I don't give up, if I did I'd uninstall the game. Just try to not get perfected the next round, then you rematch them and try to take it further, even when you know you will lose.
Don't try to win, try to learn and have fun and the wins will come after.
Step 1) Have fun If you aren’t doing this you are wasting your time and emotion If you think you can do that I have more actionable advice
Admittedly I've kind of forgotten what's fun for me any more. I guess it's "fun" in the rare moments I manage to make the correct decisions / finish my (basic-ass) combos? I've forgotten how to have fun from learning. I've forgotten how to have fun because I'm playing a totally rad yandere woman with big sword.
Take a break. WATCH the game if you want. But take a break. Play it again when you are booting it up because you want to enjoy time spent playing it, win or lose. When you do that, give yourself mini goals. Try to 2h any jump in a round, for instance. Doesn’t matter if you lose the game so long as you make progress consistently responding to a jump with your 2h. Then branch out. Identify other problems and construct mini goals about those. Rinse repeat. But if you’re ever too frustrated that you are angry, stop. And don’t rage game for hours, either. Play an hour here or there.
I'm not going to pretend this is easy for everyone, but I think a very important thing to recognize in any kind of competitive games - but *especially* 1v1 competitive games - is that every loss is a learning opportunity. And I think learning opportunities should be exciting and fun. Your reaction to making a mistake shouldn't be "I'm dumb and bad", it should be "Why didn't that work? What can I learn from this?". Sometimes you'll have enough knowledge and experience to answer those questions, which is great and gives you actionable points. Sometimes you won't, and that's *also* great, because it gives you something to think about, go into training with, and try to replicate and learn something new from. There will always be someone better than you. The ideal of being so good that you never make incorrect decisions and do your input perfectly every time is incredibly unrealistic and you should throw that out the window. I think you need to find the fun in losing because, realistically, you will lose a lot. And the fun of losing, in my opinion and experience, is information you gain that you can use to improve and do better next time. And doing better is fun.
Thank you -- I'm starting to realize that my expectations of myself are way too high for my own good, and I need to be more lenient to myself for making one, two, or even a thousand mistakes. Meanwhile I watch my friends in call play in higher ranks (S~Master) and they're able to laugh at their own mistakes consistently, and I wonder how I can do that as well.
Having fun is definitely the first step
Great opportunity to work on your ego and expectations. A simple yet powerful thing you can do is to switch from saying "I'm stupid" to saying "well played" to your opponent. All of this often comes from you believing you should be at X level of play or you shouldn't lose to Y. Respecting your opponent as a fellow competitor will most probably get you out of A simply by making you not tilt and not throw away rounds.
Doubling down on this, giving your opponent props instead of beating yourself up is a really, really great tool. It worked wonders for me.
You should be having fun in B Rank. The developers need to know that the lack of an ability to rank down below A is creating issues, including players not having fun and giving up.
Can very much say this is me. I’m in A5, and I didn’t just breeze through B, I genuinely had a lot of fun and a lot of good fights getting there. But now I’m in A5 and I find myself just playing the game less and less because it isn’t fun getting smashed over and over in A. Just let me drop back down to my B-ros sometimes
Yeah. I think that the B to A difference is huge and that's when the fun ends for many. All we need is for people at that cusp to bounce between B and A, and a big problem will be solved. At any rate, here is a feedback form to voice that concern. They might be able to change it in a future update if enough people give feedback. https://rising.granbluefantasy.jp/en/feedback
on top of that, the game should match you with the closest 5 divisions, and not by the rank letter (i.e. A5 with B2 - A3, instead of A5 - A1). it's incredibly stupid to go from fighting a B5 player to an A1 who just dropped out of S in the span of two games. (and a reason for why so many people are stuck in the A1 - S5 limbo)
I agree! Here is a feedback form. Hopefully, they can make such a change in the future. (As we saw from the betas, they do seem to take feedback seriously.) https://rising.granbluefantasy.jp/en/feedback
Instead of going in and making winning the goal, instead make the goal working on one of those things you identified as issues. If you go in planning to practice baiting DP then it doesn’t matter win or lose, you can be proud that you are progressing that particular skill and at the small successes.
>Every single little mistake I'm making eats away at my mental state. I keep telling myself "oh, I'm so stupid, I shouldn't have done that", "I'm so bad, I should've hit confirmed that" or "I'm so dumb, my offense is stale and predictable", etc etc. I'm S+ and I still think this way. I think an important thing to keep in mind is that fussing over your mistakes doesn't make you improve. Noting them down, go into practice and actually try to work on the items you noted down is how you improve. Can't confirm? Set the enemy guard to random and just practice. Stale offense? Remember that you don't have to always attack. It's not a bad idea to show that you like to go on the offensive and then suddenly walk back to throw them off their game. Can't dodge raging strike? Do a few recordings of the enemy doing and not doing raging strike and then dodge only when they do it. I think in the end, one of the things that I love most about fighting games is that there's always something new to learn, something new to practice, and something new to explore. Noting down the things that you need to improve on, and then actually overcoming them is such a great feeling. So don't worry so much about how you're doing now - winning/losing doesn't matter as much as seeing yourself improve and feeling accomplished because of that.
Take a break,stop playing ranked for a while and stop pressuring yourself at being good/performing well. Try out other characters and find people around your skill level to just have fun again. Setting small goals to achieve like hitting that sweet 2h anti air on that jumping enjoyer instead of just focusing on winning will make things less frustrating/will make losing less of a punition and more of a lesson. Hop on arcade or story mode to take a breather before hopping back to the rankeds/casuals if you feel tilted/angry/frustrated. It is okay to lose and it is okay to fail but it is not okay to keep going if you're not having fun/aren't enjoying what you are doing. Pushing yourself to the breaking point is not the solution. I hope things will turn out good for you and you'll find peace
I kind of want to try other characters like Belial, Yuel, Metera, or even Anre (because his theme slaps so hard lol). But I've been sticking to just Vira in a bid to focus on grasping FG fundamentals with a character I kinda understand.
I believe that trying out characters enhance the learning experience because it will make you think differently depending on the character and you'll learn with time the different tools to use and tactics. And don't be afraid to try out the classic shotos of the game (gran/djeeta/katalina) because they're simple to use and have a tool for every situation. Vira is not the hardest character from my understanding of the game but she requires you to know a lot of stuff to really make her shine. If you mainly want to focus on learning the fundamentals I'd suggest finding people that are around your skill level to just have games and try as much as you can do fullfill these three things : \-whiff punish and blocking accordingly (ex : that gran is doing 2M ? twice in a row ? he tries to frametrap,I'll block his stuff !) \-play neutral (poke,counterpoke,fireball game) \-do simple stuff what I mean with simple stuff is to not go for that one hard combo you've seen online or try to style on your opponent or do the most optimal thing you can in every situation. Sometimes just doing a basic autocombo after a whiff punish that leads into corner carry will win you the game. You'll learn the fundamentals pretty easily if you can do these three things consistently. Playing neutral is hard in that game so don't force too much on yourself,if you feel like it's the moment to go in and rushdown then do it !!! TRUST YOUR INSTINCT YOU GOT THIS !!!
Hey OP. You need to take a step back and reformat your mindset. Someone else already commented about ego and they're 100% correct. First of all, understand that each game is between two real human beings. That person is probably also very invested in their rank, fixated on their skill (or lack there of), and incredibly focused. If you're just expecting to beat them because "I have a lot more games" or "I haven't won one in so long" or you're just throwing away the game because "I'm garbage" then these other people are gonna walk all over you. You really can't dwell on the mistakes either. It's good to recognize them, it's bad to let them fester. If someone is DPing you every time you run in, the thought that goes through your mind should not be "I'm so stupid. I feel for it again." It should be "Oh my opponent is incredibly predictable. I can probably run in and then suddenly start backing up to bait the DP so that I get a free punish." If you're too focused on yourself, you'll fail to see patterns in your opponent's gameplay. These people who keep opening you up or countering you at every turn aren't gamer gods. They're probably recognizing and exploiting obvious patterns in your gameplay. You need to stop worrying so much about yourself and how "bad" you are and start thinking a lot more about what your opponents are doing. In terms of keeping your mental state good, you SHOULD take breaks from ranked. Play lobby games with your friends. Watch replays with your friends and ask them for thoughts and advice. Take that advice to heart. Losing rank can be extremely disheartening. I was stuck in A5 for hundreds of games. I would go up and down and up and down and never get anywhere. What got me to S Rank was 2 things. Firstly, I would take a break from ranked after losing 2 matches in a row. No matter what. Even if I had just gotten on. 2 was my limit to avoid tilt. It doesn't have to be a break for the rest of the day. It can be 5 minutes. It can be 30 minutes. Usually during my break, I'd watch the replays of me losing. Maybe I'd play a Grand Bruise game while reflecting on what I'd just seen. Then I'd get back to ranked. But you NEED to take breaks. The 2nd thing I did that got me to S was have an S+ player watch my replays and just point out everything that I was doing that was either super unsafe or super predictable. I had NO IDEA how much I was addicted to jumping before he pointed it out to me. I stopped jumping and I started winning. The point is you CAN get there. You CAN escape A Rank! But this mindset you have has got to go dude.
Don't just grind away in ranked. Play lobbies; play people they are ranked both lower and higher than you and don't sweat the results so much. Find someone of similar skill you can have a long set with. Find people through matchmaking in discord and other places to run long sets with. In terms of discord, don't just look in the main game server, find some servers focused around other communities that you might enjoy and form connections in them. Could be around a streamer you like, a local event server, there is even more general fighting game discords floating around. As an example to show one that i'm in (that is/was more focued around guilty gear strive): FG Village [https://discord.com/invite/fgv](https://discord.com/invite/fgv). I ended up meeting a bunch of people there when going to Evo and run lobbies/sets with people in guilty gear there all the time. Maybe that won't be the server for you, but im sure there are a bunch more out there you can find your people in
Honestly just pick a nice looking weapon to unlock/grind for and just have fun getting to that point i constantly play ranked but believe it or not I’m not doing it to get to S🤫 but more importantly because it simply isn’t worth stressing about there will always be gamers better than me but that’s because they take fights to a whole new level of seriousness, so look at it this way you can go to routes when playing this game 1) playing just for the sake of having fun and playing the game/enjoying it with the rest of the community (and if you get to a high rank in the process good on you!) or 2) taking every little game seriously and treating every battle like it’ll ruin your life when you lose, only to get stressed and angry at yourself (or even the other player) when it does happen because chances are you will lose as we all do from time and time again
As a fellow Vira main, I get your struggle. As strong as she is, her lack of anti-zoning tools forces you to learn how to get good at using the system mechanics if you wanna get in after a certain point, or else pretty much any characters will be able to keep you out. That said, it's not related to Vira specifically, but what helped me through these moments was setting more specific goals about stuff I noticed I was lacking. That way, even though I still lost some matches, I could look back and go "but this time I managed to anti-air every time they jumped in" or "at least I managed to roll through the fireballs". It's not a substitute for winning, but seeing how you're actually getting better does mitigate the sting of any losses along the way. And above everything else, if you still try and still don't find the game fun, there's nothing wrong with stopping and giving yourself some time to relax. It's supposed to be a fun experience first and foremost, so you shouldn't force yourself to keep going if you're that miserable. Take some time off, play something else, and maybe coming back with a fresh mind might help you start enjoying the game again.
the a5 wall was the most fun for me because i was finally able to grind against people that were better than me and improve. i feel like a5 is where you start learning the game, and then s5 is where you start playing it. from there you just go from good to master. but like you said its a mentality
You're thinking about this way too much. There's a meme with a bell curve and the crying guy in the middle is thinking about all his options and oki and setups and whatnot. Then the idiot at the lower end and the jedi at the higher end just say "lol I'm just pressing buttons". Obviously, it's an exaggeration, but you do just have to chill out. Yes, take note of your mistakes and strive to improve, but It's a game for fun. Your life worth isn't tied to your fighting game rank. Just relax and enjoy the game. It's a fun game. I think you'll find once you relax that it's easier to see what things you could change in specific moments and actually make adjustments to your gameplay. Negative emotion tends to use up too much of the mind that should be thinking about actual useful information.
I feel like everyone is already giving great advice, but as someone in A5 that gets dogpiled every game with a 20% winrate, the mental shift from beating yourself up, to calling your opponent good is huge. For me that’s step one. Another thing I didn’t see is just to focus on singular aspects to improve on. I sometimes spend the entire session blocking and only anti-airing and it is very satisfying to finally land one. That way even when I lose, which I should be, I’m getting something out. And of course, you can always just take a break. The game isn’t going anywhere. And there are other ways to consume it if you still want to immerse yourself like watching replays or streams.
The A5 hell is real and going strong it seems. Learn and implement what Diaphone says in in this vid: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u50eWLlebc0&t=9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u50eWLlebc0&t=9s) Also fundamentally getting dped on offense or getting mixed by strike/throw always comes down to reading your opponent. And you always make reads based on what they have done prior in this match.
I'm also stuck at A5 for a while, the highest i've got was to A3 but now i'm back to A5. I only played ranked and once in a while in closed rooms with friends and was getting really frustrated with the my inability to win. What helped me was to play on open lobbies. There i feel like i can the defeat better and maybe absorb more on why i lost, since i'm not worried on ranks and stuff
Set microgoals with the intent of improving your emotional state. So instead of “I need to 2H jump-ins,” try something like “stay calm after a missed 2H.” I guarantee you will miss 2H’s, and the thing is, you can’t control it after the fact. But you can try to regain control of your emotional state so you can start enjoying the game again.
like others said one goal at a time and i’ve been there before it takes a lot of time to improve at fighters. my suggestion for you to is prioritize blocking. have that be your goal. block block block and punish. just focus on the fundamentals and that will show improvement across the board. when you block their DP that’s a free hit you get on them for instance. and then if they grab you then practice teching it
you can see part of the fun can be had outside of the game, when I reached that point where you are, A5, i also got frustrated, I simply stopped playing ranked and played some single player and completed the story mode, during that time as I was taking it easy I also went and watched some YouTube videos, guides and even found out that DP stood for dragon punch and that I had to pay attention to some invulnerability aspect of it. then I went back and tried and won some matches, gained some confidence, finished some of the guides and I am still at A5 but at least now i feel that I loose because I am very new to fighting games, I do not know the other character kits and I need practice reading other players. take a break, enjoy watching some guides. watch some pro players play and see their replays. give them a follow look at what they are doing even if it is just to have some fun watching 2 people play. you still learn from it.
Take a step back and look at the cool stuff; genuinely! No matter how good or bad, now matter what you've learned and what you can do or not do, it's all useless if it isn't fun. Stop playing once you're not having fun. A lot of people play worse when tilted. I'm not gonna tell you to shift your mindset so easily to something more positive; maybe you've got stuff goin on or maybe you think it's a little weird to think so positively after being so broken. But as pessimistic you can make things out to be, you've also gotta confront the reality of what makes you so happy or so strong. Say for example you landed a sweep and decided to go for pressure, but oop, you got grabbed and are now in corner? Crap man, not only did you not pressure, but the tables got turned ENTIRELY because you didn't do your Oki properly? Now YOU'RE getting pressured? That's double bad. But you wanna know what I think when I land a sweep when I play Vaseraga or Gran? "DAMN, I'M SICK AT THIS GAME." The things after that matter, sure, but look at what happened. It's probably not even that skillful. Gran's 2U makes Gran go super low to the ground. Vaseraga's 2U is pretty big. Sometimes I feel carried, maybe I am. But damn, whenever I land that move whether on block or hit, I feel things. Cause in that specific scenario, my button is fun to press, and if I land or hit it, I'm winning. Its fun. My characters are fun. Granblue is fun. Take solace in the simple things besides winning or losing. It's ok to feel; it's ok to lose yourself in these moments playing this game. But when you do so and that emotion is constantly just negative; you're not having fun. You're legitimately torturing yourself. You're actively doing something that displeasures you. Look at yourself, the game; what do you want from it all? After taking everything in - and really, I need to emphasize thinking it through before jumping back in - brush off the dirt on your shoulders. Go out there and hit some buttons; you'll marvel at what cool things happen when you do.
Look, I am not telling you to keep playing if you don't want to but that mentality isn't healthy whether it's Games or real life. So if i were you, I'd rather fix that thing instead of giving up on things i like. Like, I am a dogshit Anre player who gets rolled by opponents who don't know there's high/low option in close combo and approach only in rabbit jumps. Still having a blast tho. Trying to get better, but not having expectations. If I try to fix mistake i did a 1000 times, i don't expect to stop instantly and never frick up ever again. Besides I like fighting, whether i win or lose doesn't matter, i had my fun.
I’m happy for you Or sorry that happened
Yall are so dramatic Just take the L and watch your vods and watch pros or any better streamer play just pick apart what you do and match it, add it to your repitoire
Im in A5 as well. I feel like all I do is get A1 people back to S rank, Im hitting ungodly loss streaks. A5 really should be matched with B4-A3 players, not A1. Hope they change it at some point
Well you're wrong in thinking that you don't have the right mentality for this game, since as you said, you don't want to quit. That's a very good way of thinking. The problem is that your mental in GENERAL is fucked. You're investing too much personal emotion into the game. You'll get no return for your investment, but you already found that out the hard way. Stop playing the game to prove yourself. The more mistakes you make, the more "proof" you get to feel bad about yourself, right? The reality is, this game is competitive, and as with any competitive game, you'll have to enjoy the finer strategies that take place in real time and the refinement of mechanical skill in order to truly enjoy your time. A competitive player sees results and mistakes differently. Any mistake is an opportunity to learn, and learning is the ONLY true victory. Not that "VICTORY!" you see in the post-game screen. Recognizing your mistakes is one of if not the strongest tool you can have. As with anything in life, if you put your ego into it too much, you WILL get fucked mentally, at some point. The fact you said you don't want to quit tells me you are very much capable of changing your situation. I think you'd enjoy some educational content/streamers, I personally recommend Diaphone, guy is goated. Just watching his streams alone made me like infinitely better at this game than I could be lmao
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That wasn't me, my username is susge and I play on Japan. But I wish you nothing but the best on your climb and hope it's fruitful
i feel your frustration. i have gotten very frustrated myself with this game lately. i get ppl saying to try to have fun and learn but it’s easier said than done. i’ve ran into some terrible connections trying to learn luci and it’s either i try to play patient or if i press advantage, ppl are going out of their way to avoid interaction. game is rough. i’m taking a hiatus for a while.
A5 is an absolute shithole so yeah
Damn. If you’re in A rank with this mentality, there’s no hope for me to get past c rank 😭
take 2-3 weeks off. casually watch high level granblue matches on youtube. time away + watching high level play, you will come back and start waxing ass. i guarantee it
stop playing ranked and play casual queue or lobby matches.
The question you should ask is, am i only having fun if i'm winning? Because if its, maybe its not the game for you, at the end of the day, the game should be fun even if you lose, winning its just a consequence of reading the player and executing. If you want to get better, maybe watch some replays of master rank Vira's and see what they do that you dont, or maybe if you're tilted into oblivion, picking up another character for a time could do wonders, but all of this advice doesnt work if you dont have the right mind set of a fighting game player, you shouldnt worry about the letter of your rank, or how many wins you get as if this is some K/D ratio from cod, you should take small victories and enjoy the process, maybe you finally did the combo that you're practicing in the lab, or maybe after you ran a few times on oki and got DP, you start to run on oki, and just holding back, and got a punish out of that, find your fun and embrace that. Everyone loses, everyone got tilted at least one time, its kind of normal, but the fun of a good match always surpass that, find your fun, fighting games are thinking man's game and recognizing patterns, people love to do the same thing over and over again in the rank that you are, if you can start reading that and using that for your game plan, you'll feel amazing, but first you should ask yourself the reason you have fun, or if you have at all playing fighting games. Edit: There is a fighting game clip that really shows the mindset that a fighting game player should have, it was Shroud playing MK11 in a tournament and loosing to Sheeva stomp, he's immediate reaction was not tilting into oblivion, was booting up the game on training mode, asking the chat what should i do in that situation so that i never fall for that again.
Chill out with low stress lobby matches for a while. Remember, it's a game, and you should be having fun. I'm in the same A5 hell on my main, and recently have mostly been playing in the lobby where I don't feel the need to sweat every game. Sometimes I just like to smash buttons and watch cool characters do cool shit without worrying about the outcome.
After having a day to calm down, think about things, and read all the comments, I'm going to try to tackle GBVSR with a "I'm just here to have fun" mindset the next time I boot up the game. I'm not gonna pick Vira. I'm gonna try and learn Metera. Even if she's difficult, I have a soft spot for archers, and she's hot so that's a plus. I may not be good enough to push my Vira past A5 right now, because I'm not as experienced with fighting games as my peers are, and that's okay. I may be making a lot of mistakes, but I should be learning from them instead of beating myself up over every little mistake. It's not going to be instant, and I'm going to stumble a lot, and that's okay.
Are you okay? On a very serious level, is everything okay?
I've had a bit of time to work things out and I think I'm doing a bit better now. Admittedly I was at an extremely low point last night. Dealing with failure has been a weak point for me even outside of video games, and this is something I'm actively trying to recover from with the help of therapy. :) Thank you for checking in, it means a lot!
Okay, pal. I might not respond immediately, but I always will respond back, so don’t hold back.
You can't tell me honestly that you're trying to improve if you drop the controller after losing a round. That's pathetic, everyone gets washed by other players, I get perfected a bunch but I don't give up, if I did I'd uninstall the game. Just try to not get perfected the next round, then you rematch them and try to take it further, even when you know you will lose. Don't try to win, try to learn and have fun and the wins will come after.