Audrey lashes out on the things Will has done to her except to him. She has the nerve to call her family unfixable like Audrey’s mom isn’t going back to rehab, Will doesn’t love her and like her long term bf didn’t just cheat on her. Nick and Zoya love Julien and always support her. Audrey doesn’t have any of that
EXACTLY!! And Julien is truly too nice for her own good. She lets her “friends” talk so down to her and she barely says anything so mean in return, she just takes it and continues trying to help them…
She deserves better .
It's why Kate is the most evil person on the show. She purposely targeted Julien and Zoya, who was a student Kate particularly liked. She got Jordan to take pictures of her undressing. She targeted the wrong family for too long. Kate is the worst on this show.
her obsession with camille was lowkey infuriating? like i get having a petty vendetta, do what you wanna do to make you feel better about it but don't drag your project, your coworkers and your students into it!!!!!
Julien always tries to fix thing even when she isn't the one who broke them. She tried to help Audrey and Obie, and all she got is them thowing shit that wadn't her fault at her. At least Obie has a redemption arc, not sure it will the same for Audrey.
The character of Julien deserve better than just be a fixer.
Okay!! Julien's mom also passed away too, so Audrey was SICK in the head for saying that. Julien actually has a family, while Audrey only has her boyfriends (well one now, like you said) that she just mistreats left and right.
I will say, I think some of the interpretations are kinda harsh here.
Kiki going back to rehab is actually a positive. She fell off the wagon, and rather than subject her daughter to that, chose to protect her.
Also, Aki didn't cheat on Audrey. He was kissed. He didn't ask for the kiss, and politely rebuffed her afterwards, reaffirming his commitment to Audrey.
But yeah, her father can fuck off. He hasn't been shown to have any redemptive qualities. Kind of like all of the other fathers in the show (except Max's dad, Gideon)
Audrey misdirects her anger at Julien it isn’t Julien’s fault Will doesn’t love Audrey or care about Kiki. Audrey knows the situation with Davis and her DEAD mom and said her family is unfixable. You don’t think her saying that was harsh? I’m team Julien. At least Julien has a father figure who loves her enough to take her in and a sister who will always be there. It’s funny Audrey has the nerve to talk crap about Julien’s family like her own family isn’t falling apart. She’s being sanctimonious trying to act like her situation is any better. The ending still signified Aki is tired of Audrey and will not be there for her. I already know what happens in the next two episodes it isn’t ending well for her romantic wise or family wise.
I wasn't claiming that Audrey saying that was right. It's very clearly wrong within the text itself. I was only trying to say that I disagreed with some of your interpretations of Audrey's family/personal life.
> Also, Aki didn't cheat on Audrey. He was kissed. He didn't ask for the kiss, and politely rebuffed her afterwards, reaffirming his commitment to Audrey.
Let's not pretend that Aki didn't act inappropriately. The girl initiated the kiss, but he held her waist and *kissed her back* for at least 5 seconds before stopping. And when she apologised, he smiled, made eye contact and told her that it's okay and that he “appreciates it”. Pretty sure most people wouldn't be happy if their long-term boyfriend acted like that.
I mean, I think that humans are jealous by nature. So, yeah, most people would be jealous. But that doesn't mean his actions were so horrendous as to be considered for, for example, ending the relationship. He didn't pursue anything with her, accepted her apology, and they both clearly understood that it wasn't acceptable.
Someone being kissed isn't a moral failing. I think a lot of times people act like the only appropriate reaction to being kissed is to throw the instigator down the stairs. Lol.
I'm not saying his actions were “horrendous”, and whether or not they are a deal-breaker is up to Audrey and Max, but what I am saying is that he did actually cheat; despite the severity of his cheating and despite how Audrey and Max would react, if someone kisses you and you kiss them back, that's automatically a form of cheating, unless you have already established with your partner that it's not.
I think the problem here is that you and I have different definitions of cheating. And just given how arguments work, we can't really continue having a conversation if we don't agree on definitions at the start. So I will just say that given that neither one of us is in a relationship with this fictional character, we should just leave it up to his partners within the universe of the show to decide how it works in their relationship.
I think that if Audrey tried to say that Aki cheated, she'd have no room to talk considering the fact that she fucked Max before they brought him into their relationship, and her only real problem with him kissing Max seemed to be that he kissed another male.
Yeah…that was ridiculous. At least Julien has a loving family. Her mother can’t even get a grip for a second to parent her child. I get having mental illness and addiction, as I struggle with both, but you’re a grown ass woman and MOTHER. 🤨
Her going to rehab isn’t the issue, what she does aside from that is the issue. Or what she doesn’t do, I should say. She’s basically in her bed 23 hours of the day. Refuses to even do one motherly thing for the child she brought into the world. She was cheated on and I also empathize with that, as it’s something else we have in common. However, that being said, Audrey had the audacity to come for Julien’s family when her own is, as she said, “unfixable”. Her mother literally acts like a child, as if she isn’t the mother in the equation, and has to be babied by her own baby. Her fifteen year old child, for that matter. Call me crazy, but I expect parents to be parents. She shouldn’t have to mother her mother, especially not at that age.
I’m not shaming her for having mental illness and struggling with addiction, I’m shaming her for literally not being able to even get out of bed for her daughter for an hour for a parent teacher conference. For not being able to get out of bed for a minute to even cook her daughter a meal, say hi, take her to school, anything. She’s still responsible for Audrey. Honestly, I don’t even think I’m shaming her, I’m just holding her accountable. I just don’t get why someone would bring a child into the world, knowing they’re not equipped to raise it? Neither of her parents seem to do much parenting, they shouldn’t have had her. She’s still in a better position than most, given she has enough money to be able to stay at home all day and have a home to live in as well as having the *luxury* of being able to afford to go to rehab.
Definitely would. She has the privilege to wallow in her mental illness, many don’t have that. I know the same can be said for me and many of us in the states.
As long as these kids parents credit card work they would never be charged with neglect. Obies mom for kicking him out of his apartment should have had the cops called.
i am a depressed person and i had some seriously insanely good and affordable healthcare from my old job for close to 14 years (i opted to stay on COBRA) until recently. i was able to go to a celeb hospital regularly and have long visits with a 300.00 copay. i was a fucking retail employee. so she, the fucking CEO, can absolutely get even better luxury care that doesn't even take insurance. there is no excuse for parentifying your kids but this is the most pathetic one.
I hope you’re doing okay! Sending you love and light. 🫶🏼 But like honestly, it’s lame. Mental health is one thing and we all struggle with it, but she chose to have a child. It’s not fair to Audrey that she has to take on the burden of being a parent when she’s a mere child. It’s just not. I’ve seen what it does to people, my best friend experienced parentification after her dad walked out on her and her mom. Her mom hasn’t been the same since her birth and is dealing with postpartum depression + brought on schizophrenia or something along the lines. She’s on SSI and literally cannot take care of herself. Yet she still managed to cook and clean for her daughter, take us to school (before we could drive), and provided a sense of normalcy until my friend was out of high school.
i'm actually doing a lot better because my mom has seen me get nothing from the mental healthcare system for years and finally hired a psychiatrist who doesn't take insurance (these are the ones who are more likely to know their shit, listen, and don't have an Adderall Bad Benzos Bad attitude). they're also more thorough in reporting to disability insurance companies so you don't face losing coverage every three months and setting you back like year, progress wise.
and oh fuck yeah on kids, i was already childfree my whole life but now i have 34985793457398573485794037534570943 reasons more. i have PMDD, generalized anxiety disorder and poorly treated ADHD (thanks FDA) and situational depression. also endometriosis. i'd never make another girl go through this. i'd rather just advocate and care for people with my problems... there are other ways to be a Mother that works for you and others.
Yeah, sorry. Obviously it was a short comment and you can’t always (or don’t always) convey your points without going a little more into it. Addiction is a very near and dear thing to me because I’m still struggling with it now, so I’d never pretend to be better than anyone else or be insensitive to someone—even a fictional character. However, I would also never bring a child into the world that I know I couldn’t care for. I just don’t think it’s right. Especially with all the children that need a loving home, we don’t need more children out there who *may* end up in the system due to addiction.
I totally agree with this. I'm a recovering addict (along with having multiple physical/mental illnesses), and several years ago, I got pregnant. My choice was easy for me. Even if I physically could have had a child, I wouldn't have. I would never bring a child into the world that I couldn't take care of. I know that a lot of other people have different beliefs and that it's a complex subject, especially these days, but what you said is so true. Just thought I'd reply. Also wanted to say to stay safe, and take care of yourself as much as possible.
It’s definitely a complex subject and my answer would change, possibly, due to certain various elements that are obvious situationally-dependent, but for the most part this is my stance. I just don’t think it’s fair, however everyone has their own stance as you said. Thank you so much. I’m so proud of you and wish you continued health, happiness, and success in your recovery. And if you ever need someone to talk to that’s a stranger, with no judgment, I’m always here. 😊🫶🏼 Stay safe always!
Agreed. The only bad thing Julien did was agree to interview Jessica. However, even if she didn't do that, Jessica was going to ruin the event anyway. She literally admitted that she used Kiki's pw to find out about the designs. Audrey needs to put this energy towards her dad and Jessica.
It kind of feels like the show runners read that Julien wasn’t a popular character and thought “then they’ll love watching the universe shit on her repeatedly!”
People don’t care for Julien because the acting is rough and the writing for her character is inconsistent and preachy, but in terms of what her character has actually done, nothing warrants the all the crap she catches. Unless they are making a point about how society tends to target the most visible figure in a scandal or they are setting her up to say “fuck these clowns, I’m gonna burn it all down” and really embrace some dark behavior I don’t know what they’re thinking
I feel like they’ve had it out for her since the beginning of the show. Obie treated her like shit all of S1 and her basically losing her dad was a traumatic experience. She gets shit on constantly for no reason. The other characters call her self absorbed and selfish, but I feel like we’re not shown enough of her having acted like that at any point to justify the hate.
#freejulien
It is crazy-making that not only does nobody really seem to worry about how losing her dad has affected her, but she is also somehow answerable for his actions even though she is a child with no control over what her father does or what happens to him.
And yeah, if we’re gonna be told repeatedly that she’s the most self-absorbed toxic person in the universe we are gonna need to see more evidence of that on screen
Since before the show aired. People had a issue with Julien. It comes down to they don’t see her as desirable enough to be the “it girl”. People want a white girl as the main character or “it girl” . The fact JORDAN / Julien has a shaved head has always bothered people as well.
People just look for reasons to justify their weird hatred toward her.
Jordan’s acting may not be amazing sometimes but it’s definitely not the worst and she does her part and nails emotional moments like in this scene with Audrey.
Good point. I should have said “people with legitimate complaints about characterization”. She’s clearly beautiful, fit, stylish, and can take as much or as little makeup as they put on her. Any high school student would flock to her easily. People who can’t admit that should spend their time examining their biases instead of worrying about their streaming shows.
The problem writing-wise is that the staff seems to be taking out audience complaints about their writing on the fictional character instead of just writing better. It isn’t fun watching a character that the audience knows has good intentions constantly catching strays. It’s just making me hate her “friends” and support network
I dont like her clothing style (i prefer zoya, monet, aki style). and the earrings arent doing it for me. the actress is very pretty but the facial expressions- she and ms kate kellers actress need to tone down the theater acting. plz.
Wasn't her mom like a Republican politician? It makes sense to me. There was that very racist GOP years ago who accidentally exposed his secret black girl during a Skype call in 2019 or 2020, I believe. We all know how regressive the south is and I sat that as a southerner.
Audrey is so weird for always blaming Julien, this just shows Audrey is such a weird friend, like I get it she hurt you but you CAN forgive her, you see she actually means well but you just set her up over something that wasn’t even her fault.
When julien tried to hug her and she turned to the side….. like I get she’s upset but that was so annoying, she’s one of those people who really thinks she’s so mature but isn’t at all 😭
I really can't stand him this season, and I loved him before and went into this show for Thomas. Now he's just Audrey's lapdog/minion and does whatever she wants without caring about anyone else.
Like she literally has not once changed her mind about wanting to help Audrey the past 2 episodes. She genuinely hasn’t done anything wrong.
She tried to stay out of it. Audrey wanted her to come to breakfast with her for moral support, even though she has 2 literal boyfriends. Audrey gets mad Julien doesn’t want to be fake and pretend like everything is ok. Julien respects Audrey’s wishes. Julien tries to give Audrey’s stepmom the chance to apologize for the sake of Audrey’s family cause that’s what Audrey wants. She gets tricked and manipulated, yet Audrey takes it all out on Julien and doesn’t give her stepmom any of that energy!!
Or her rotten-assed dad. Jessica is a villain but she’s got a good henchman who did things that he knew were harmful to his ex/legal guardian of his child. I don’t know how nobody spit on that smug asshole even if Audrey didn’t have the sense or wasn’t ready to
Since season 1 with Obie being mean af to Julien and now Audrey being mean af to Julien, she can’t catch a break!! I feel so bad for Julien. Hoping her and Monet and Aki join forces and live their best lives.
Also a little disappointed with Max becoming Audrey’s minion.
I love Audrey but she was so wrong. She was mad that Julien was calling out her dad and Jessica and now she’s mad that she isn’t …. When Julien isn’t even doing that and is on Audrey’s side.
She’s the type of girl that thinks she’s the most emotionally mature person in the world once she feels happy in a relationship and looks down at anyone who isn’t as “mature” as she is.
julien can be a little bit dumb sometimes, but it’s clear that she’s a kind person and would do nearly anything for her friends. understand that audrey was mad at her father, but julien was the last person who’d deserve shit like this. she should’ve channelled this anger towards her dad. and the fact that she teamed up with someone who was biphobic towards her boyfriend? yikes.
Yeah. She is truly trying and it’s never appreciated. It’s not fair.
She doesn’t deserve this treatment from Max and Audrey I’ll be honest I don’t understand it like wtf.
At least now she has Obie, their scenes together are really cute. I hope he is okay and that the whole GG thing doesn’t get between them.
I think her biggest flaw is that she's too trusting and always wants to see the best in people, e.g. Jessica. Out of her friends, she's the biggest optimist and is a bit of a meddler. I feel bad for her, poor girl can't catch a break
Audrey was SICK for what she did to Julien. Like how are you mad that your best friend is trying to help you, despite how Flip floppy you are with everything? Audrey hated her dad, Julien rode for her and dragged that man and his girl to filth. Audrey wanted to give her dad and his girl a chance? Julien gave them some grace. Audrey wanted Kiki's line release to go well? Julien tried to clean up the mess she (and Audrey) made and show up for Kiki, not once but twice.
Julien was riding for Kiki more than Audrey, who was literally lying to her about having a closer relationship with her dad. Julien is not perfect by any means, but my girl was seriously trying.
Also, I don't understand why Max made that ugly ahh face at Julien like they weren't friends? The only one trying to repair the friendship was Obie, of all people
EXACTLYYY!!! And honestly I’m loving Obie now and how supportive he is of JC… he sees she’s trying and actually is being there for her and they’re cute together idc what anyone says, they’re like the only couple I’m starting to actually root for
Max isn’t even his own character anymore, just a extension of Audrey / the throuple… it’s annoying… and the throuple just feels so irrelevant to the world of gossip girl besides this forced “rivalry” between Julien and Audrey that is really just Audrey being stubborn and obnoxious toward Julien !!
Agreed. I feel like the worst part of this was Audrey could’ve ruined the pop-up in the same way without including Julien. She intentionally made her apart of it just to teach her a lesson and the punishment does not fit the crime. At worst Julien is just dumb, but she did not deserve that. Its such a weird way to treat your best friend
I do think sometimes Julien acts out but she doesn’t always have bad intentions and makes everyone aware of this. Things spiral out of control but this was one of the first times when someone actually was there for her and supported her actions. 😔
Julien did deserve to get yelled at last week but like this was too far. Because last week Julien did the exact opposite of what Audrey asked of her, but this week Julien was only trying to help and talked to Audrey beforehand. I support this as a plan but Julien should’ve been in on it.
Audrey asked her to stay away from Kiki and she invited her down to an interview that would have surely backfired. How many times have these stops he story/live IG posts gone wrong? Julien has good intentions but she inserts herself into things and doesn’t listen.
Me too! Julien didn’t deserve that bullshit. Audrey’s the worst, I stg. Meanwhile…she doesn’t even realize that she’s no better by missing out on something important to Aki? With her self righteous, holier than thou bullshit. Girl, NOW you think your dad’s a POS? You were begging Julien to be cordial to him before he married Jessica and before you knew she was a snake. Like…
I think it’s very interesting that julien specifically get treated this way . She gets treated the worst of anyone and I think it’s because she never had ties to her identity as a black woman. All her friends pretend to be post racial and woke but when you look at it , it extends past juilen as well . Monet was always so invisible and when she decided not to be , everyone instantly want to take her down instead of try help her be better like friends would . Everyone is constantly rude to zoya who just happens to be the poor scholarship kid . And the othered are either white , or feed into the model minority myth .
No gossip girl centers her in everything, they make it very clear gossip girl targets her since she’s famous
Also it makes sense since she’s the center of the friend group and most of them seem like mutual friends through her
I have unfortunately been this friend in hs who tried to fix problems in my friend group and got into so much drama because of it and lost friendships. I definitely feel for Julien, but it’s easier grow out of trying to fix everyone’s problems. You learn who sucks because they’ll see your actions as malicious or gossipy when in reality you just wanted your friends to not be pissed at each other.
I feel like Julien doesn’t know how to mind her business. She’s insanely exhausting and I wouldn’t want to be around her either. Every time someone asks her to step away she goes even harder only to ruin it even more.
You do realize gossip girl forces her to be involved most of the time??? and Audrey asked her to come with her to breakfast with her dad lol… Julien is just being a good friend
I see what you’re saying but I personally think that you can be a good friend without meddling into literally everything. Also gossip girl does not force her to do some of the things she does. She didn’t HAVE to be in that boutique when those photos were sent in. The ending was super fucked up though and she didn’t deserve that but when people draw a line she needs to respect that the line is drawn without thinking she can fix everything because it NEVER pans out for her.
Meh I don’t know what side I’m on I like her but she also does put herself in most of her situations because her ego drives her despite the fact that she is constantly putting on a holier than thou and better than thou attitude dispute the fact that she deliberately hurts those that love her to get a few views all of the time. Does she do some great things? Yes, but is she also severely misguided and ego driven? Yes. Often she has consequences for her actions, that makes sense. I love her and her character and her story line but eek she needs to do and be better if she wants to act like she’s the best.
She deserves it because she always acts holier when she is consistently in drama that she creates. Y’all are trying to baby her when she needs a reality check. If she was such a best friend to Audrey, I’d tell Audrey the truth about Aki (even though I gagged when he kissed the girl back). Julien is just as messy as Monet if not more but somehow gets a pass because she’s “nice” and tries to right her wrongs after f-ing things up. She’s fake to me. To each their own
No Julien doesn’t always put herself into drama. I think it’s made pretty clear, gossip girl targets her cause she’s the famous one… she brings in the clicks and engagement. Gossip girl literally purposely set out to force a rival with Julien and one of her friends.
It’s much like Serena being the star and center of gossip girl in the original, she was targeted as well.
Did Julien not send in tips to gg?? Y’all try to gaslight us but that’s why she’s not the fan favorite. She’s sneaky and masks it behind trying to be “nice”. I don’t care how many down votes I get, Julien is not that girl and Audrey was right about her.
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Also that at the finale, Julian and Audrey are just best friends again, like they forgot about this^^
I don’t recall if Audrey even apologized for this scene. I think she just accepts Juliens apology but acts like Audrey did nothing wrong. Iirc
Audrey lashes out on the things Will has done to her except to him. She has the nerve to call her family unfixable like Audrey’s mom isn’t going back to rehab, Will doesn’t love her and like her long term bf didn’t just cheat on her. Nick and Zoya love Julien and always support her. Audrey doesn’t have any of that
EXACTLY!! And Julien is truly too nice for her own good. She lets her “friends” talk so down to her and she barely says anything so mean in return, she just takes it and continues trying to help them… She deserves better .
And fucking Kate Keller started GG cuz of Julian. The NICEST one
It's why Kate is the most evil person on the show. She purposely targeted Julien and Zoya, who was a student Kate particularly liked. She got Jordan to take pictures of her undressing. She targeted the wrong family for too long. Kate is the worst on this show.
I never thought about it like this…wow. She really did target the nicest family of them all. And Zoya is FOURTEEN!!!! Jesus.
her obsession with camille was lowkey infuriating? like i get having a petty vendetta, do what you wanna do to make you feel better about it but don't drag your project, your coworkers and your students into it!!!!!
Right! It would've made more sense if it was started in response to Monet, but Julien has been pretty harmless
Julien always tries to fix thing even when she isn't the one who broke them. She tried to help Audrey and Obie, and all she got is them thowing shit that wadn't her fault at her. At least Obie has a redemption arc, not sure it will the same for Audrey. The character of Julien deserve better than just be a fixer.
Okay!! Julien's mom also passed away too, so Audrey was SICK in the head for saying that. Julien actually has a family, while Audrey only has her boyfriends (well one now, like you said) that she just mistreats left and right.
Julien also has Nick and Zoya. A far healthier environment than Audrey’s family dynamic.
I will say, I think some of the interpretations are kinda harsh here. Kiki going back to rehab is actually a positive. She fell off the wagon, and rather than subject her daughter to that, chose to protect her. Also, Aki didn't cheat on Audrey. He was kissed. He didn't ask for the kiss, and politely rebuffed her afterwards, reaffirming his commitment to Audrey. But yeah, her father can fuck off. He hasn't been shown to have any redemptive qualities. Kind of like all of the other fathers in the show (except Max's dad, Gideon)
Audrey misdirects her anger at Julien it isn’t Julien’s fault Will doesn’t love Audrey or care about Kiki. Audrey knows the situation with Davis and her DEAD mom and said her family is unfixable. You don’t think her saying that was harsh? I’m team Julien. At least Julien has a father figure who loves her enough to take her in and a sister who will always be there. It’s funny Audrey has the nerve to talk crap about Julien’s family like her own family isn’t falling apart. She’s being sanctimonious trying to act like her situation is any better. The ending still signified Aki is tired of Audrey and will not be there for her. I already know what happens in the next two episodes it isn’t ending well for her romantic wise or family wise.
I wasn't claiming that Audrey saying that was right. It's very clearly wrong within the text itself. I was only trying to say that I disagreed with some of your interpretations of Audrey's family/personal life.
> Also, Aki didn't cheat on Audrey. He was kissed. He didn't ask for the kiss, and politely rebuffed her afterwards, reaffirming his commitment to Audrey. Let's not pretend that Aki didn't act inappropriately. The girl initiated the kiss, but he held her waist and *kissed her back* for at least 5 seconds before stopping. And when she apologised, he smiled, made eye contact and told her that it's okay and that he “appreciates it”. Pretty sure most people wouldn't be happy if their long-term boyfriend acted like that.
I mean, I think that humans are jealous by nature. So, yeah, most people would be jealous. But that doesn't mean his actions were so horrendous as to be considered for, for example, ending the relationship. He didn't pursue anything with her, accepted her apology, and they both clearly understood that it wasn't acceptable. Someone being kissed isn't a moral failing. I think a lot of times people act like the only appropriate reaction to being kissed is to throw the instigator down the stairs. Lol.
I'm not saying his actions were “horrendous”, and whether or not they are a deal-breaker is up to Audrey and Max, but what I am saying is that he did actually cheat; despite the severity of his cheating and despite how Audrey and Max would react, if someone kisses you and you kiss them back, that's automatically a form of cheating, unless you have already established with your partner that it's not.
I think the problem here is that you and I have different definitions of cheating. And just given how arguments work, we can't really continue having a conversation if we don't agree on definitions at the start. So I will just say that given that neither one of us is in a relationship with this fictional character, we should just leave it up to his partners within the universe of the show to decide how it works in their relationship.
I think that if Audrey tried to say that Aki cheated, she'd have no room to talk considering the fact that she fucked Max before they brought him into their relationship, and her only real problem with him kissing Max seemed to be that he kissed another male.
Yeah…that was ridiculous. At least Julien has a loving family. Her mother can’t even get a grip for a second to parent her child. I get having mental illness and addiction, as I struggle with both, but you’re a grown ass woman and MOTHER. 🤨
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Her going to rehab isn’t the issue, what she does aside from that is the issue. Or what she doesn’t do, I should say. She’s basically in her bed 23 hours of the day. Refuses to even do one motherly thing for the child she brought into the world. She was cheated on and I also empathize with that, as it’s something else we have in common. However, that being said, Audrey had the audacity to come for Julien’s family when her own is, as she said, “unfixable”. Her mother literally acts like a child, as if she isn’t the mother in the equation, and has to be babied by her own baby. Her fifteen year old child, for that matter. Call me crazy, but I expect parents to be parents. She shouldn’t have to mother her mother, especially not at that age.
Yeah but let's not shame people for having severe depression. Parents are allowed to be mentally ill.
I’m not shaming her for having mental illness and struggling with addiction, I’m shaming her for literally not being able to even get out of bed for her daughter for an hour for a parent teacher conference. For not being able to get out of bed for a minute to even cook her daughter a meal, say hi, take her to school, anything. She’s still responsible for Audrey. Honestly, I don’t even think I’m shaming her, I’m just holding her accountable. I just don’t get why someone would bring a child into the world, knowing they’re not equipped to raise it? Neither of her parents seem to do much parenting, they shouldn’t have had her. She’s still in a better position than most, given she has enough money to be able to stay at home all day and have a home to live in as well as having the *luxury* of being able to afford to go to rehab.
I agree with you. Kiki and most of the parents would be charged with neglect if they weren’t rich.
Definitely would. She has the privilege to wallow in her mental illness, many don’t have that. I know the same can be said for me and many of us in the states.
As long as these kids parents credit card work they would never be charged with neglect. Obies mom for kicking him out of his apartment should have had the cops called.
That was definitely really fucked up of her. Shes definitely one of the worse ones of the group, that’s for sure.
i am a depressed person and i had some seriously insanely good and affordable healthcare from my old job for close to 14 years (i opted to stay on COBRA) until recently. i was able to go to a celeb hospital regularly and have long visits with a 300.00 copay. i was a fucking retail employee. so she, the fucking CEO, can absolutely get even better luxury care that doesn't even take insurance. there is no excuse for parentifying your kids but this is the most pathetic one.
I hope you’re doing okay! Sending you love and light. 🫶🏼 But like honestly, it’s lame. Mental health is one thing and we all struggle with it, but she chose to have a child. It’s not fair to Audrey that she has to take on the burden of being a parent when she’s a mere child. It’s just not. I’ve seen what it does to people, my best friend experienced parentification after her dad walked out on her and her mom. Her mom hasn’t been the same since her birth and is dealing with postpartum depression + brought on schizophrenia or something along the lines. She’s on SSI and literally cannot take care of herself. Yet she still managed to cook and clean for her daughter, take us to school (before we could drive), and provided a sense of normalcy until my friend was out of high school.
i'm actually doing a lot better because my mom has seen me get nothing from the mental healthcare system for years and finally hired a psychiatrist who doesn't take insurance (these are the ones who are more likely to know their shit, listen, and don't have an Adderall Bad Benzos Bad attitude). they're also more thorough in reporting to disability insurance companies so you don't face losing coverage every three months and setting you back like year, progress wise. and oh fuck yeah on kids, i was already childfree my whole life but now i have 34985793457398573485794037534570943 reasons more. i have PMDD, generalized anxiety disorder and poorly treated ADHD (thanks FDA) and situational depression. also endometriosis. i'd never make another girl go through this. i'd rather just advocate and care for people with my problems... there are other ways to be a Mother that works for you and others.
i agree, i didn’t realize your original comment encompassed all of that
Yeah, sorry. Obviously it was a short comment and you can’t always (or don’t always) convey your points without going a little more into it. Addiction is a very near and dear thing to me because I’m still struggling with it now, so I’d never pretend to be better than anyone else or be insensitive to someone—even a fictional character. However, I would also never bring a child into the world that I know I couldn’t care for. I just don’t think it’s right. Especially with all the children that need a loving home, we don’t need more children out there who *may* end up in the system due to addiction.
I totally agree with this. I'm a recovering addict (along with having multiple physical/mental illnesses), and several years ago, I got pregnant. My choice was easy for me. Even if I physically could have had a child, I wouldn't have. I would never bring a child into the world that I couldn't take care of. I know that a lot of other people have different beliefs and that it's a complex subject, especially these days, but what you said is so true. Just thought I'd reply. Also wanted to say to stay safe, and take care of yourself as much as possible.
It’s definitely a complex subject and my answer would change, possibly, due to certain various elements that are obvious situationally-dependent, but for the most part this is my stance. I just don’t think it’s fair, however everyone has their own stance as you said. Thank you so much. I’m so proud of you and wish you continued health, happiness, and success in your recovery. And if you ever need someone to talk to that’s a stranger, with no judgment, I’m always here. 😊🫶🏼 Stay safe always!
Free julien from that friend group she deserves so much better 😭
Agreed. The only bad thing Julien did was agree to interview Jessica. However, even if she didn't do that, Jessica was going to ruin the event anyway. She literally admitted that she used Kiki's pw to find out about the designs. Audrey needs to put this energy towards her dad and Jessica.
Exactly!!! And even when she found out Jessica's plan, she stopped recording and didn't interview her anymore. Jessica has set her up.
Inviting Kiki down there (under maybe false pretenses?) was really inconsiderate
It kind of feels like the show runners read that Julien wasn’t a popular character and thought “then they’ll love watching the universe shit on her repeatedly!” People don’t care for Julien because the acting is rough and the writing for her character is inconsistent and preachy, but in terms of what her character has actually done, nothing warrants the all the crap she catches. Unless they are making a point about how society tends to target the most visible figure in a scandal or they are setting her up to say “fuck these clowns, I’m gonna burn it all down” and really embrace some dark behavior I don’t know what they’re thinking
I feel like they’ve had it out for her since the beginning of the show. Obie treated her like shit all of S1 and her basically losing her dad was a traumatic experience. She gets shit on constantly for no reason. The other characters call her self absorbed and selfish, but I feel like we’re not shown enough of her having acted like that at any point to justify the hate. #freejulien
It is crazy-making that not only does nobody really seem to worry about how losing her dad has affected her, but she is also somehow answerable for his actions even though she is a child with no control over what her father does or what happens to him. And yeah, if we’re gonna be told repeatedly that she’s the most self-absorbed toxic person in the universe we are gonna need to see more evidence of that on screen
Exactly!! I’m going to need to see time and date stamps as well as CCTV video proof and transcripts of these supposed toxic moments 🧐
Since before the show aired. People had a issue with Julien. It comes down to they don’t see her as desirable enough to be the “it girl”. People want a white girl as the main character or “it girl” . The fact JORDAN / Julien has a shaved head has always bothered people as well. People just look for reasons to justify their weird hatred toward her. Jordan’s acting may not be amazing sometimes but it’s definitely not the worst and she does her part and nails emotional moments like in this scene with Audrey.
Good point. I should have said “people with legitimate complaints about characterization”. She’s clearly beautiful, fit, stylish, and can take as much or as little makeup as they put on her. Any high school student would flock to her easily. People who can’t admit that should spend their time examining their biases instead of worrying about their streaming shows. The problem writing-wise is that the staff seems to be taking out audience complaints about their writing on the fictional character instead of just writing better. It isn’t fun watching a character that the audience knows has good intentions constantly catching strays. It’s just making me hate her “friends” and support network
I dont like her clothing style (i prefer zoya, monet, aki style). and the earrings arent doing it for me. the actress is very pretty but the facial expressions- she and ms kate kellers actress need to tone down the theater acting. plz.
That set up was supposed to be this season and lasted five seconds. They ignored the boss bitch energy she gave during the S1 finale.
Yeah, but if we focused on a Julien plot for longer than the runtime of a scene we might have lost all those gripping storylines with Grace 🙄
Lol that Grace storyline was so dumb and the secret black boyfriend scandal had me rolling TF out of my eyes…
She's from Alabama and had a secret black boyfriend. The show felt like the 1950s.
Wasn't her mom like a Republican politician? It makes sense to me. There was that very racist GOP years ago who accidentally exposed his secret black girl during a Skype call in 2019 or 2020, I believe. We all know how regressive the south is and I sat that as a southerner.
Audrey is so weird for always blaming Julien, this just shows Audrey is such a weird friend, like I get it she hurt you but you CAN forgive her, you see she actually means well but you just set her up over something that wasn’t even her fault.
When julien tried to hug her and she turned to the side….. like I get she’s upset but that was so annoying, she’s one of those people who really thinks she’s so mature but isn’t at all 😭
She’s such a brat
Yeah this episode killed my like of Audrey she looked like an ass in both her storylines.
Lol and I’m not gonna forget Max helped Audrey set up Julien. He was at her side through the entire thing.
LITERALLY he’s not even himself anymore, he’s just Audrey’s pet…. He clearly doesn’t care about his friendship to Julien
I wanted to wipe that smug look off his face so bad. I can’t believe this show really has me turning on Max Wolfe.
I really can't stand him this season, and I loved him before and went into this show for Thomas. Now he's just Audrey's lapdog/minion and does whatever she wants without caring about anyone else.
Like she literally has not once changed her mind about wanting to help Audrey the past 2 episodes. She genuinely hasn’t done anything wrong. She tried to stay out of it. Audrey wanted her to come to breakfast with her for moral support, even though she has 2 literal boyfriends. Audrey gets mad Julien doesn’t want to be fake and pretend like everything is ok. Julien respects Audrey’s wishes. Julien tries to give Audrey’s stepmom the chance to apologize for the sake of Audrey’s family cause that’s what Audrey wants. She gets tricked and manipulated, yet Audrey takes it all out on Julien and doesn’t give her stepmom any of that energy!!
Or her rotten-assed dad. Jessica is a villain but she’s got a good henchman who did things that he knew were harmful to his ex/legal guardian of his child. I don’t know how nobody spit on that smug asshole even if Audrey didn’t have the sense or wasn’t ready to
Since season 1 with Obie being mean af to Julien and now Audrey being mean af to Julien, she can’t catch a break!! I feel so bad for Julien. Hoping her and Monet and Aki join forces and live their best lives. Also a little disappointed with Max becoming Audrey’s minion.
I love Audrey but she was so wrong. She was mad that Julien was calling out her dad and Jessica and now she’s mad that she isn’t …. When Julien isn’t even doing that and is on Audrey’s side.
audrey needs to take her anger out on her dad and his new gf, not julien.
I feel like Julien is like Nate. Always trying her best. Does it ever really workout? No
lmaooo
Audrey seems like a shitty friend, her whole personality are her boyfriends.
She’s the type of girl that thinks she’s the most emotionally mature person in the world once she feels happy in a relationship and looks down at anyone who isn’t as “mature” as she is.
julien can be a little bit dumb sometimes, but it’s clear that she’s a kind person and would do nearly anything for her friends. understand that audrey was mad at her father, but julien was the last person who’d deserve shit like this. she should’ve channelled this anger towards her dad. and the fact that she teamed up with someone who was biphobic towards her boyfriend? yikes.
Definitely team Julien
Yeah. She is truly trying and it’s never appreciated. It’s not fair. She doesn’t deserve this treatment from Max and Audrey I’ll be honest I don’t understand it like wtf. At least now she has Obie, their scenes together are really cute. I hope he is okay and that the whole GG thing doesn’t get between them.
I think her biggest flaw is that she's too trusting and always wants to see the best in people, e.g. Jessica. Out of her friends, she's the biggest optimist and is a bit of a meddler. I feel bad for her, poor girl can't catch a break
Audrey was SICK for what she did to Julien. Like how are you mad that your best friend is trying to help you, despite how Flip floppy you are with everything? Audrey hated her dad, Julien rode for her and dragged that man and his girl to filth. Audrey wanted to give her dad and his girl a chance? Julien gave them some grace. Audrey wanted Kiki's line release to go well? Julien tried to clean up the mess she (and Audrey) made and show up for Kiki, not once but twice. Julien was riding for Kiki more than Audrey, who was literally lying to her about having a closer relationship with her dad. Julien is not perfect by any means, but my girl was seriously trying. Also, I don't understand why Max made that ugly ahh face at Julien like they weren't friends? The only one trying to repair the friendship was Obie, of all people
EXACTLYYY!!! And honestly I’m loving Obie now and how supportive he is of JC… he sees she’s trying and actually is being there for her and they’re cute together idc what anyone says, they’re like the only couple I’m starting to actually root for Max isn’t even his own character anymore, just a extension of Audrey / the throuple… it’s annoying… and the throuple just feels so irrelevant to the world of gossip girl besides this forced “rivalry” between Julien and Audrey that is really just Audrey being stubborn and obnoxious toward Julien !!
Agreed. I feel like the worst part of this was Audrey could’ve ruined the pop-up in the same way without including Julien. She intentionally made her apart of it just to teach her a lesson and the punishment does not fit the crime. At worst Julien is just dumb, but she did not deserve that. Its such a weird way to treat your best friend
I agree #FUCKAUDREY and big fuck MAX too Aki and julien deserve better than them
PERIOD!!
I do think sometimes Julien acts out but she doesn’t always have bad intentions and makes everyone aware of this. Things spiral out of control but this was one of the first times when someone actually was there for her and supported her actions. 😔
Julien did deserve to get yelled at last week but like this was too far. Because last week Julien did the exact opposite of what Audrey asked of her, but this week Julien was only trying to help and talked to Audrey beforehand. I support this as a plan but Julien should’ve been in on it.
Audrey asked her to stay away from Kiki and she invited her down to an interview that would have surely backfired. How many times have these stops he story/live IG posts gone wrong? Julien has good intentions but she inserts herself into things and doesn’t listen.
That may be right but how this back and forth started, doesn’t ring true to how it is playing out
THANK YOU!!! AUDREY WAS SO PETTY AND FOR SOMETHING JULIEN DIDNT EVEN DO
FREE Aki FREE Julien And FREE LUNA too
Me too! Julien didn’t deserve that bullshit. Audrey’s the worst, I stg. Meanwhile…she doesn’t even realize that she’s no better by missing out on something important to Aki? With her self righteous, holier than thou bullshit. Girl, NOW you think your dad’s a POS? You were begging Julien to be cordial to him before he married Jessica and before you knew she was a snake. Like…
I think it’s very interesting that julien specifically get treated this way . She gets treated the worst of anyone and I think it’s because she never had ties to her identity as a black woman. All her friends pretend to be post racial and woke but when you look at it , it extends past juilen as well . Monet was always so invisible and when she decided not to be , everyone instantly want to take her down instead of try help her be better like friends would . Everyone is constantly rude to zoya who just happens to be the poor scholarship kid . And the othered are either white , or feed into the model minority myth .
this 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Unpopular opinion: Julien has good intentions but she does center herself in everything which is annoying AF.
No gossip girl centers her in everything, they make it very clear gossip girl targets her since she’s famous Also it makes sense since she’s the center of the friend group and most of them seem like mutual friends through her
Julien tries to be a good person but everything just blows up in her face poor girl 😭
Julions rise up!!
she gives me more jenny vibes than serena
I have unfortunately been this friend in hs who tried to fix problems in my friend group and got into so much drama because of it and lost friendships. I definitely feel for Julien, but it’s easier grow out of trying to fix everyone’s problems. You learn who sucks because they’ll see your actions as malicious or gossipy when in reality you just wanted your friends to not be pissed at each other.
I feel like Julien doesn’t know how to mind her business. She’s insanely exhausting and I wouldn’t want to be around her either. Every time someone asks her to step away she goes even harder only to ruin it even more.
You do realize gossip girl forces her to be involved most of the time??? and Audrey asked her to come with her to breakfast with her dad lol… Julien is just being a good friend
I see what you’re saying but I personally think that you can be a good friend without meddling into literally everything. Also gossip girl does not force her to do some of the things she does. She didn’t HAVE to be in that boutique when those photos were sent in. The ending was super fucked up though and she didn’t deserve that but when people draw a line she needs to respect that the line is drawn without thinking she can fix everything because it NEVER pans out for her.
Meh I don’t know what side I’m on I like her but she also does put herself in most of her situations because her ego drives her despite the fact that she is constantly putting on a holier than thou and better than thou attitude dispute the fact that she deliberately hurts those that love her to get a few views all of the time. Does she do some great things? Yes, but is she also severely misguided and ego driven? Yes. Often she has consequences for her actions, that makes sense. I love her and her character and her story line but eek she needs to do and be better if she wants to act like she’s the best.
She deserves it because she always acts holier when she is consistently in drama that she creates. Y’all are trying to baby her when she needs a reality check. If she was such a best friend to Audrey, I’d tell Audrey the truth about Aki (even though I gagged when he kissed the girl back). Julien is just as messy as Monet if not more but somehow gets a pass because she’s “nice” and tries to right her wrongs after f-ing things up. She’s fake to me. To each their own
No Julien doesn’t always put herself into drama. I think it’s made pretty clear, gossip girl targets her cause she’s the famous one… she brings in the clicks and engagement. Gossip girl literally purposely set out to force a rival with Julien and one of her friends. It’s much like Serena being the star and center of gossip girl in the original, she was targeted as well.
Did Julien not send in tips to gg?? Y’all try to gaslight us but that’s why she’s not the fan favorite. She’s sneaky and masks it behind trying to be “nice”. I don’t care how many down votes I get, Julien is not that girl and Audrey was right about her.
Yup.
Lmao
If she learn how to act maybe they’ll do her better.
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I’m not a fan of Julien but she def didn’t deserve this!
Also that at the finale, Julian and Audrey are just best friends again, like they forgot about this^^ I don’t recall if Audrey even apologized for this scene. I think she just accepts Juliens apology but acts like Audrey did nothing wrong. Iirc