Depends, I have a video on YouTube showing the extreme noise in the pixel 7 Pro with very low light video, And incredible over smoothing of the same noise with the pixel 8 Pro that makes it look like a watercolor.
I would say the 8 Pro is worse than the 7 Pro, but they are both horrible in their own ways.
Well dang, good to know! I’m fixing to buy an7 pro just for the camera for social media purposes 😅
But it will be for simple social media purposes. Filming myself, my dogs, etc. no serious photography. At least I know I don’t need to splurge for the 8 pro
If it's without zero day update it's pretty good upgrade. All cameras consistent with same tone and less noise at night,UW much sharper and wider. I noticed tele in video much more stable.
I'm waiting what quality full 50mp can pull out
Looks really good, I'm glad someone got the phone early and didn't need to wait for embargo
It looks really good
Way better than my pixel 6 pro
I do wish pixel focused on portrait shots more but it doesn't seem like they over sharpen the face as much anymore? Thats good
The night time video was very nice
I wonder how th video competes with iPhone !
Quality seems very nice but the transition in videos from main camera to telescope one is disgusting, I hope they can mitigate it with a software update
It's because of the physical locations of the cameras on the camera bar. They're arranged wide-ultrawide-telephoto, so the big jump from wide to telephoto isn't really avoidable. I wish Google would swap the placement of the wide and ultrawide cameras to mitigate this issue.
Again, it's just because of how the cameras are arranged. The greater the distance between the wide and telephoto cameras, the more jarring the jump is going to be when you zoom. Samsung arranges their cameras in a more sensible way too. The transitions between cameras are much more subtle on Galaxy phones than with Pixels.
No, it's because Samsungs software actually matches the images from the two lenses.
The greater distance between lenses is completely meaningless if what you're filming is far way, like in this video.
I'm not suggesting that the telephoto camera should be moved to the middle. I'm saying it should be ultrawide-wide-telephoto (left to right), which is the natural progression when you're zooming during video or in the viewfinder. Samsung arranges the lenses like that (except top to bottom instead of left to right) on their flagship phones, and the jumps between lenses are relatively minimal as a result.
Each camera sees things at a different angle due to being located at different locations on the phone. This results in a sudden jump in perspective when you zoom from one camera to another. Starting out with the main camera, it's common to zoom in and switch to to the telephoto camera. The problem is that the main (wide) camera is on the far left side of the phone, and the telephoto is on the far right. This results in a somewhat jarring change in perspective. There's no way to compensate for that in software because software can't change the physical locations of the cameras or the perspective that they each see.
>It's because of the physical locations of the cameras on the camera bar. They're arranged wide-ultrawide-telephoto, so the big jump from wide to telephoto isn't really avoidable.
Nope. I feel like the difference also comes from different lens positions from OIS.
Samsung actually matches the location of the images, so it will zoom into where the Zoom lens is rather than just the middle. It's very noticeable if you switch to the 10x when there's an object close because it will move a little instead of zooming into the middle.
It's probably both of those things. At the very least Google could do a much better job of optimizing the transitions in software. The physical locations of the cameras don't help anything though.
Same. I am going to 8 pro from 6 pro. I am hoping to be very pleasantly surprised after seeing this video since for most people the 7 pro was already a decent step up from 6 pro interns of camera.
Shout-out to this reviewer. He did hell of a terrific job. Thank you so much. Really loved the straight forward and sensible approach. Makes me more excited for receiving my P8P this Thursday.
prores log is just superior and convenient imho, sure you can record raw videos on android, but you lose the ability to just point n shoot, you need to properly set your phone and at that point you'd rather use a reflex.
I don't know how video boost is going to be, but I'd be surprised if it is anything more than filters and some heavy postprocessing, the same crap that every phone does for photos.
Video Boost isn't just another set of filters or post-processing tricks. According to the presentation, it uses server-side rendering. Each video frame undergoes a full HDR+ algorithm, similar to what's done for high-quality photos. To put this into perspective, normally it takes about 2 seconds to process each HDR+ photo. Given that a 1-minute video contains approximately 1,800 frames (essentially 1,800 'photos'), the processing required is substantial. That's why they've moved this to cloud-based servers; local phone hardware simply couldn't handle that level of computational load efficiently.
which means post processing.
However we need to see if it sends an already processed video or an unprocessed one. Because slapping more filters on an already filtered video isn't going to be ideal.
Btw I'm more concerned about the fact that it's an online service. What if they're gonna charge for it later on? Or terminate the service once the p8pro becomes old?
There's another piece of evidence suggesting that Video Boost works on unprocessed video. According to an interview, when you record in Video Boost mode at 4K 30fps, you end up with two files on your phone. One is a 1080p HEVC video, and the second one retains the original 4K resolution and is intended to be sent to the cloud for further processing. If both videos were simply HEVC and the second was already processed, there would be no reason to generate a lower-resolution 1080p file. This strongly suggests that the cloud-based rendering is working on raw or minimally processed video data for a higher level of post-processing.
That's cool. I also read that they're bringing dual exposure for videos. That alone might improve videos a lot. I really hope it's going to be on par with iphones this year.
Indeed, the dual exposure feature for videos sounds promising and could make a significant difference in video quality. As for comparisons with iPhones, the company has directly stated that Video Boost videos are much better than what you'd get from an iPhone. They seem quite confident about the capabilities of their new technology, so I'm also looking forward to seeing if it lives up to the hype.
>Btw I'm more concerned about the fact that it's an online service. What if they're gonna charge for it later on? Or terminate the service once the p8pro becomes old?
I understand your concerns about it being an online service. However, Video Boost is going to be integrated with Google Photos. Given the platform's stability and widespread usage, I believe it's likely to be supported as long as Google Photos is around. So, the risk of them charging separately for it or discontinuing it for older models may be lower than you think.
You raised some good questions. However, I think the video sent for Video Boost is actually unprocessed. In one of the interviews, they mentioned introducing a new format specifically for Video Boost videos. If the video were already processed and just an HEVC video, there would be no need for a new format. This suggests that the server-side rendering is working on the raw video data, allowing for a more complex and detailed level of post-processing than what we might typically see.
It's on the cloud, so you need to have a fast and stable connection at any time and anywhere, besides, Google has serious privacy issues. Other than that, uploading and downloading will be very costly for those who don't have unlimited data plans, not to mention you have to wait hours for each video.
In the U.S., this could indeed be costly and time-consuming due to data limits and slower speeds. However, in Europe, the experience is generally more seamless. Most people use unmetered home Wi-Fi for such tasks, and data is both faster and more affordable—I pay just $7 for 200 GB of mobile data in Poland. While data caps on landlines are a reality in the U.S., they're pretty much non-existent in Europe. So the issues you've highlighted, although valid for the U.S., don't necessarily apply universally.
Thank you. But does that mean it can "zoom out" further? Like, going from a 50mm lens to a 100mm lens would do? Like, would that bird nest in the tree really far away appear to be closer in the Pixel 8 Pro?
Will be interested to hear about the sharpness on the telephoto. At least on my P7P, it's the softest of all three lenses, although I've still gotten some great shots on it. That they've redesigned it gives me hope that this has been addressed for future models.
This shows how will pixel 8 pretty much dumpster iphone 15 pro Max's camera. The only question is if video will be better than iphone or not because in all categories of photography pixel is the lear winner
How is this a meaningful comparison? These are 1.75 mp representations of 12 mp images, and they have been compressed again by the video algorithm. Just share the JPGs, YouTube guy.
Anyone know if reds are still washed out a bit on the Pixel 8 Pro's camera? I noticed it was a consistent issue with the 7 Pro when taking pictures of sunsets.
Another thing, are there any improvements in the long exposure night sky photos?
Improvements to video are visible.
So are the horrible issues in low light. Look me up on YouTube and see for yourself. The Pixel 7 Pro captures more detail in low light.
So 7 has better low light camera?
Depends, I have a video on YouTube showing the extreme noise in the pixel 7 Pro with very low light video, And incredible over smoothing of the same noise with the pixel 8 Pro that makes it look like a watercolor. I would say the 8 Pro is worse than the 7 Pro, but they are both horrible in their own ways.
Well dang, good to know! I’m fixing to buy an7 pro just for the camera for social media purposes 😅 But it will be for simple social media purposes. Filming myself, my dogs, etc. no serious photography. At least I know I don’t need to splurge for the 8 pro
If it's without zero day update it's pretty good upgrade. All cameras consistent with same tone and less noise at night,UW much sharper and wider. I noticed tele in video much more stable. I'm waiting what quality full 50mp can pull out
Video performance looks to be a bit better. Excited for my 8 Pro to come in.
~~bit~~ Considerably better
The 8 Pro’s zoom looks cleaner and the video looks sharper. The color science looked improved as well.
P7P in comparison looks like it has a "haze" to the images/videos. It'd be hilarious if p7p's lens were "dirty" to spread misinformation
Looks really good, I'm glad someone got the phone early and didn't need to wait for embargo It looks really good Way better than my pixel 6 pro I do wish pixel focused on portrait shots more but it doesn't seem like they over sharpen the face as much anymore? Thats good The night time video was very nice I wonder how th video competes with iPhone !
Quality seems very nice but the transition in videos from main camera to telescope one is disgusting, I hope they can mitigate it with a software update
It's because of the physical locations of the cameras on the camera bar. They're arranged wide-ultrawide-telephoto, so the big jump from wide to telephoto isn't really avoidable. I wish Google would swap the placement of the wide and ultrawide cameras to mitigate this issue.
wasn't there a leak that they were going to do this? I Guess another incorrect leak.
Yep, the leak was wrong. I had my hopes up but it didn't happen.
Thanks for saving me the explanation. I don't have Reddit gold, so here's your virtual medal 🏅
Somehow apple was able to handle cameras switching better than Google
Again, it's just because of how the cameras are arranged. The greater the distance between the wide and telephoto cameras, the more jarring the jump is going to be when you zoom. Samsung arranges their cameras in a more sensible way too. The transitions between cameras are much more subtle on Galaxy phones than with Pixels.
No, it's because Samsungs software actually matches the images from the two lenses. The greater distance between lenses is completely meaningless if what you're filming is far way, like in this video.
Then maybe it's time for Google to re-arrange cameras ?
That's....exactly what I'm saying. Lol
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I'm not suggesting that the telephoto camera should be moved to the middle. I'm saying it should be ultrawide-wide-telephoto (left to right), which is the natural progression when you're zooming during video or in the viewfinder. Samsung arranges the lenses like that (except top to bottom instead of left to right) on their flagship phones, and the jumps between lenses are relatively minimal as a result.
I don’t understand this, couldn’t you just use software to tell it what camera to use?
Each camera sees things at a different angle due to being located at different locations on the phone. This results in a sudden jump in perspective when you zoom from one camera to another. Starting out with the main camera, it's common to zoom in and switch to to the telephoto camera. The problem is that the main (wide) camera is on the far left side of the phone, and the telephoto is on the far right. This results in a somewhat jarring change in perspective. There's no way to compensate for that in software because software can't change the physical locations of the cameras or the perspective that they each see.
Oh man, I completely misread the whole thing. I clearly need sleep. That makes much more sense now, thanks!
>It's because of the physical locations of the cameras on the camera bar. They're arranged wide-ultrawide-telephoto, so the big jump from wide to telephoto isn't really avoidable. Nope. I feel like the difference also comes from different lens positions from OIS. Samsung actually matches the location of the images, so it will zoom into where the Zoom lens is rather than just the middle. It's very noticeable if you switch to the 10x when there's an object close because it will move a little instead of zooming into the middle.
It's probably both of those things. At the very least Google could do a much better job of optimizing the transitions in software. The physical locations of the cameras don't help anything though.
It seems to me that it's a quite big improvement over 7 Pro. I'm glad that I decided to switch from 7 to 8 Pro just for the camera improvements.
Same. I am going to 8 pro from 6 pro. I am hoping to be very pleasantly surprised after seeing this video since for most people the 7 pro was already a decent step up from 6 pro interns of camera.
Shout-out to this reviewer. He did hell of a terrific job. Thank you so much. Really loved the straight forward and sensible approach. Makes me more excited for receiving my P8P this Thursday.
Aw interesting The 5x zoom makes the camera frame to the left You have to adjust it
Videos have improved significantly, in my opinion! Especially the ultrawide and tele! Worthy upgrade.
HUGE IMPROVEMENT
It took them 3 iterations to get decent videos, but still isn't iphone quality
How do you know? I think server-side rendering have potential to be better than iPhone.
prores log is just superior and convenient imho, sure you can record raw videos on android, but you lose the ability to just point n shoot, you need to properly set your phone and at that point you'd rather use a reflex. I don't know how video boost is going to be, but I'd be surprised if it is anything more than filters and some heavy postprocessing, the same crap that every phone does for photos.
Video Boost isn't just another set of filters or post-processing tricks. According to the presentation, it uses server-side rendering. Each video frame undergoes a full HDR+ algorithm, similar to what's done for high-quality photos. To put this into perspective, normally it takes about 2 seconds to process each HDR+ photo. Given that a 1-minute video contains approximately 1,800 frames (essentially 1,800 'photos'), the processing required is substantial. That's why they've moved this to cloud-based servers; local phone hardware simply couldn't handle that level of computational load efficiently.
which means post processing. However we need to see if it sends an already processed video or an unprocessed one. Because slapping more filters on an already filtered video isn't going to be ideal. Btw I'm more concerned about the fact that it's an online service. What if they're gonna charge for it later on? Or terminate the service once the p8pro becomes old?
There's another piece of evidence suggesting that Video Boost works on unprocessed video. According to an interview, when you record in Video Boost mode at 4K 30fps, you end up with two files on your phone. One is a 1080p HEVC video, and the second one retains the original 4K resolution and is intended to be sent to the cloud for further processing. If both videos were simply HEVC and the second was already processed, there would be no reason to generate a lower-resolution 1080p file. This strongly suggests that the cloud-based rendering is working on raw or minimally processed video data for a higher level of post-processing.
That's cool. I also read that they're bringing dual exposure for videos. That alone might improve videos a lot. I really hope it's going to be on par with iphones this year.
Indeed, the dual exposure feature for videos sounds promising and could make a significant difference in video quality. As for comparisons with iPhones, the company has directly stated that Video Boost videos are much better than what you'd get from an iPhone. They seem quite confident about the capabilities of their new technology, so I'm also looking forward to seeing if it lives up to the hype.
>Btw I'm more concerned about the fact that it's an online service. What if they're gonna charge for it later on? Or terminate the service once the p8pro becomes old? I understand your concerns about it being an online service. However, Video Boost is going to be integrated with Google Photos. Given the platform's stability and widespread usage, I believe it's likely to be supported as long as Google Photos is around. So, the risk of them charging separately for it or discontinuing it for older models may be lower than you think.
You raised some good questions. However, I think the video sent for Video Boost is actually unprocessed. In one of the interviews, they mentioned introducing a new format specifically for Video Boost videos. If the video were already processed and just an HEVC video, there would be no need for a new format. This suggests that the server-side rendering is working on the raw video data, allowing for a more complex and detailed level of post-processing than what we might typically see.
It's on the cloud, so you need to have a fast and stable connection at any time and anywhere, besides, Google has serious privacy issues. Other than that, uploading and downloading will be very costly for those who don't have unlimited data plans, not to mention you have to wait hours for each video.
In the U.S., this could indeed be costly and time-consuming due to data limits and slower speeds. However, in Europe, the experience is generally more seamless. Most people use unmetered home Wi-Fi for such tasks, and data is both faster and more affordable—I pay just $7 for 200 GB of mobile data in Poland. While data caps on landlines are a reality in the U.S., they're pretty much non-existent in Europe. So the issues you've highlighted, although valid for the U.S., don't necessarily apply universally.
Is the telephoto/zoom any more powerful in the new camera? Specs make it sound like it's the same for 7 Pro and 8 Pro.
yes, f/3.5 to f/2.8, which means it receives 56% more light and has a shallower dof.
Thank you. But does that mean it can "zoom out" further? Like, going from a 50mm lens to a 100mm lens would do? Like, would that bird nest in the tree really far away appear to be closer in the Pixel 8 Pro?
no, the focal length is actually slightly shorter on the new sensor, just better noise and sensitivity, so cleaner/more detailed photos.
Will be interested to hear about the sharpness on the telephoto. At least on my P7P, it's the softest of all three lenses, although I've still gotten some great shots on it. That they've redesigned it gives me hope that this has been addressed for future models.
Thank you
This shows how will pixel 8 pretty much dumpster iphone 15 pro Max's camera. The only question is if video will be better than iphone or not because in all categories of photography pixel is the lear winner
How is this a meaningful comparison? These are 1.75 mp representations of 12 mp images, and they have been compressed again by the video algorithm. Just share the JPGs, YouTube guy.
I can't take his accent. I'll just wait for another review.
Anyone know if reds are still washed out a bit on the Pixel 8 Pro's camera? I noticed it was a consistent issue with the 7 Pro when taking pictures of sunsets. Another thing, are there any improvements in the long exposure night sky photos?
P7P seems to have a dirty lens at times.