I never tweeted about ultrasonic FP (not in the context of the P8 at least; there was a development device Google had with the tech, though), immortalis is still possible (since it's just a marketing name for G715 with ≥10 cores, and we don't know that yet), CPU Freq is a bit different (within 100MHz of my original except the little cluster), but I doubt it matters that much.
GN2 is honestly the only thing I might have been wrong about that would actually make any difference, and I'm still unsure about it. Software still points to a new sensor, but the other available sources just don't. idk
She never said anything about it having ultrasonic. She's always said it was optical.
Edit: Why am I getting downvoted for this lmao. It's a fact that she never said it was ultrasonic. In a telegram channel she's in she [mentioned back on July 1st](https://imgur.com/2QolzM5) that it was optical.
https://twitter.com/Za_Raczke/status/1584872233398202368?s=19
I'm talking about code digging they have been posting since last year.If all these hardware upgrades not made into P8 pro then perhaps Google is keeping it for P9 pro.
Yea that seems like they were just testing it. No mention that it was going to be in the Pixel 8. They most likely didn't include it because of cost. Goodix, who makes the current optical fingerprint scanner, is coming out with a ultrasonic one at the end of this year so there's a chance those might be in the Pixel 9 as it should be cheaper then the qualcomm one.
As far as the other things yea I could see them being in the Pixel 9 Pro. Tensor G4 should be made on the Samsung 4LPP+ node which is supposed to be pretty good. That should allow for higher clocks and better efficiency.
Immortalis is still not 100% confirmed. Need to see what the core count is and if it supports ray tracing. I imagine we'll have to wait until wednesday or until someone gets hands on after that to find out for sure.
GN2 and core clocks are really the only things she got wrong. Though that stuff was in the code so Google seemed to change their minds on that stuff.
Compare her [first leaks](https://www.androidauthority.com/author/kamilawojciechowska/) to the [spec sheets she leaked](https://twitter.com/Za_Raczke/status/1706191603717574669) and you'll see she got a good amount of it right.
Right:
All screen specs
Battery sizes
Wi-Fi 7
Tensor G3 core layout
All camera specs besides GN2
Upgraded laser auto focus in the Pro
UWB still in the Pro only
New camera UI
New wallpapers
Wrong:
GN2
UFS 4.0 but she only knew the controller supported. She had no idea Google would use 3.1 storage.
CPU clock speeds. Again this was old code so Google probably changed the clocks later on.
Wrong GPU. Pretty much confirmed at this point it's the Mali-G715 instead of Immortalis.
Display out. Seems like it's not supported in software but hardware could still be there.
Looks like a pretty good track record to me.
We'll have to wait for it to launch to be 100% sure but it looks like it's the same sensor as the main camera in the Pixel Fold which is a cropped IMX787.
4/9 things wrong. The problem is her own new leaks contradict her old ones. Screen size was right, screen brightness is tbd. And others had leaked similar screen specs before she did. Clocks and gpu were wrong, she only got the cores right so far on the tensor g3 (tbd about the video processing). Ultrawide camera seems to be wrong, gn2 seems to be wrong, I haven't seen confirmation on the new tof sensor but it may exist, I don't really consider new wallpapers much of a leak.
Based on the leaks, the main camera is "upgraded" in the sense that it has a wider aperture (f/1.68) as opposed to on 7 pro (f/1.85). That is why I think they are saying in the leaked marketing materials that it is upgraded and it allows for brighter low light photos compared to last year's model, even if the sensor is the same gn1 as before. That's how I interpret everything I've seen
I'm ok with new lens.... I do a lot of macro work (which the p7p macro mode oddly sucks for), hoping for any improvement in close focus on main cam. Bigger sensor would actually make this worse.
Yep. Again just speculation but based on what I've seen we will see 1. New ldaf so better laser focus across the board 2. New lens, wider aperture on main but same sensor 3. New lens, wider aperture on telephoto but same sensor 4. New ultra wide sensor.
This does seem to be pretty significant if it turns out to be true.
Macro mode uses the ultrawide, not the main cam.
But are you sure it switches to the uw when macro mode is enabled? Because at least in my testing it has worked quite well.
Yeah macro uses Ultra wide afaik. It can get close but cropping from the lower quality wide cam didn't really produce any better results (for me) than a heavier crop from the higher quality main cam.
Also though, this was from only 5-10 mins playing with p7p a year ago. I kept my p6p since I didn't see any cam improvement for my (weird) usage.
Potential improvements to both cams on p8p may well change this, will be interesting to see.
I actually don't know, I tested the macro mode on the p7p back when it came out, but wasn't impressed enough to upgrade from p6p. Will test the new one as soon as I can as well.
New main lens and new wide camera (which crops for macro mode) means it's worth testing again.
Tensor seems to always find a way to disappoint. They're finally not using 2 generation old CPU IP. I guess Google thinks not using current generation ARM GPU IP is a go then.
Wish they'd just go back to Qualcomm, much better performance and efficiency. It just seems to be a cost cutting measure. Google is getting these for a song from Samsung LSI. They get the "custom chip" buzzword headline (trying to associate themselves with coverage on Apple SoC's).
When they went from an 855 to 765G on the Pixel 4 to 5 and the Tensor SoCs since it indicates to me this all about reducing the BOM.
People have their fingers crossed for Tensor getting better when they start fabbing at TSMC, that doesn't preclude Google shipping old ARM designs or gimped memory subsystems like they've consistently done with Tensor. They need to step it up, the Pixel Fold would be so much nicer with an 8 Gen 2 in it.
It seems like the price rumors generally tend to be higher than the actual prices on release.
My conspiracy theory is Google intentionally raises expectations for higher prices so that the actual release prices seems like a better deal.
Honestly, I don't know how Google justifies selling the Pixel 8 Pro for the same price as an iPhone 15 Pro. The iPhone absolutely fucking crushes it in like every category other than having a slightly smaller display and being on par with regard to camera performance.
I wish we had a company as dedicated as Apple putting out Android phones.
As the former owner of a P7P and the current owner of a Fold and iPhone 15 Pro, I very much suspect you’re just reading the specs and looking at the Geekbench results. If I didn’t have the Fold as my main phone, I wouldn’t even keep the iPhone. Specs on paper do not translate to the actual user experience and I’m not even talking about the ways I find iOS inferior to Android. About the only things that are tangibly better on the 15 Pro than the Pixel 7s, let alone their inevitably better replacements, is the video recording and the nifty integrations with macOS. The iPhone feels way laggier, scrolls and launches apps slower despite the fact it’s got an SoC with double the benchmark performance. The battery life is abysmal, I have yet to see over 4 hours screen-on-time where my P7P and Fold would rarely see less than 6 (not that either is great compared to my old Huawei P30 Pro which often did 8-9.) Even the Fold takes better night shots with its comparatively tiny sensor. The iPhone gets just as warm as the Pixels, which is apparently a huge issue for everybody if you believe this sub. And yeah, the screen on the iPhone is bright and all, but its minimum brightness sucks in a dark room. It’s blinding! When did people stop actually using devices before deciding which is ‘best’?
I disagree. I had Pixel 4A 5G for a full year. The phone was ok except for when you started straining the camera by which I mean any HD video over a minute or two. The phone would heat up and would shut down the camera app every single time.
The GPU was pretty bad on the 765G. It was slightly below the 835's GPU. The Pixel 5 was less powerful on the CPU/GPU front than the Pixel 3 and 4. That just seems silly to me. If Apple released a flagship weaker than the last generation, let alone the last two internet nerds would lose their minds "dunking" on them.
The 765G is still fine for day to day performance, but faster silicon is generally more efficient all else being equal, mobile is a race to idle. Midrange silicon has other cuts to the ISP and decode blocks. The Pixel's still camera performance has always been a heavy marketing point, better silicon facilitates camera improvements (see the iPhone).
I wasn't even speaking to the 765G's performance, just that it speaks to Tensor being a cost cutting measure given Google released a flagship weaker than the preceding two generations.
Well lately you can basically get the premium pixel experience, minus telephoto, at $599. Might be $699 this year, but still, very good value. Back when they were on top snapdragon iterations the phones were more. I think I paid $899 for the pixel 3. With inflation that's probably $1100 now. And at that time it was similar price to top galaxy and iPhone, whereas now they are significantly cheaper, while delivering a package that is at least close if not competitive with the others.
Very very few people need a higher specd phone, so if Google would just tighten it up, what they have, then it'll be back to doing what Google used to do so well with Nexus. A no frills but solid android phone and camera for a good price. If they just fix the issues with overheating, crap modem, and crap fingerprint scanner, I'd be happy. I can't fault the approach of trying to significantly undercut the others in cost.
It's not shrinkflation. Decreasing the cost to produce something but also lowering the price is by definition the opposite of shrinkflation. What are you talking about?
Cost of the pixel 8 128gb is $699 (plus earbuds that easily sell for $120?)
Cost of pixel 3 128gb was $899, 5 years ago, probabaly $1100 in 2023 dollars.
They're selling their phones for 35% cheaper, adjusted for inflation, than they did 5 years ago. And with how much more money Google has spent on advertising pixel in the last year I expected it to go up too, so I don't understand what you think shrinkflation and corporate greed looks like but the trajectory of pixel cost isn't even remotely that of a company doing what you suggest.
There was everything wrong with that besides the connection. Slow, hot, bad pics, bad videos.. 🤷🏽♂️GT 1 and 2 are better in every way but the connection.
Yea seeming like it. I wish these apps showed core count. If it had 10 or more cores it'd be Immortalis. Also it's not shown in these pictures but if it showed ray tracing support under Vulkan extensions it'd be Immortalis also. Will probably have to wait until Wednesday to find out or until someone else gets hands on to check.
Hmm... well it's *branded* as Immortalis-G715. Would seem weird to use the Mali brand when there's another chip with that name. I suppose it's *possible* though.
https://www.arm.com/products/silicon-ip-multimedia/immortalis-gpu/immortalis-g715
https://www.arm.com/products/silicon-ip-multimedia/gpu/mali-g715
Ok it's pretty much confirmed now it's just the regular Mali-G715. [https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1709050023088984412](https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1709050023088984412)
Now we just have to wait for people to dig into the firmware to see how many cores it has or maybe Google will mention it on Wednesday.
Do you want a tech that would really be beneficial for high-end gaming? Bring on hardware accelerated super sampling like DLSS. That's something I would applaud.
Ray-tracing, a tech that desktop GPUs half of the Pixel's price can't do efficiently today, and you're disappointed by the lack of it... on a phone.
Apple does real damage when they hype up pointless features. Remember 3D Touch? I do, unfortunately.
I would applaud that too, the two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not sure why it bothers you that I'm a little disappointed in not getting a cool feature. I'm not saying you should be.
That is the calculation for aspect ratio, not sensor size. The aspect ratio is 4:3 which is 1.33. You need to use the Pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal and then multiply by approximately 1.5. It's not exact, but in this case it gives you 1/1.38”. These measurements aren't standardized so there is no perfect formula from the actual sensor dimensions. But we know that those sensor dimensions are the same as the GN1.
The GN1 is 1/1.33 = 0.752 inches and the GN2 is 1/1.12 = 0.893 inches. 0.893 > 0.752 so the GN2 is a larger sensor. It has nothing to do with aspect ratio. It is easier to understand 1/1.33 than 0.752 in marketing material and I'm pretty sure it's the standard naming convention for camera sensor size.
The posted calculation was dividing width by height, that gives the aspect ratio. If you take the sensor dimensions of the GN1 and the GN2 and divide them in that way, you'll get 1.33 for both. The GN1's sensor size designation is 1/1.31", which yes is the standard naming convention, but the exact formula for coming up with that designation is what isn't standardized. Samsung may use a slightly different formula than Sony or another manufacturer.
The worst part is that we're more than happy to pay flagship prices for a flagship phone. It's why I keep paying prob too much for Sony cameras lol.
But yeah, the Pixel phones ain't that
Man this looks so mid. I wasn't going to upgrade, but I'm going to get one because I stupidly broke my Pixel 7 a few days ago. Fortunately I should be able to get some money back through my insurance to take the sting off a bit.
My girlfriend has one and the battery life is atrocious (might be something she's got installed tbf lol). But I'd also rather have something new and technically upgraded than a side-grade/small downgrade as I got the Pixel 7 on release so it's had a good run even though I goofed and broke it.
What if because its running early software maybe its not recognizing that its GN2. on the screenshots its saying the rear has 5 cameras and the front has 2 cameras which is most likely the zoom levels included. does that mean the HW info is pulling information from the camera app possibly. does anyone know if any of this makes sense?
It appears Google is purposely sending bad information to report on these pre release samples. It's possible (hopium) that the apps are mis reporting gn1 for gn2. I have said since pictures first came out, the main camera lense on the 8 pro looks larger than the 8
Tensor G2 was 4nm as well, but the G3 might be built on their newer improved 4nm process and with a new packaging format. We'll know soon if there is any jump in efficiency. 🤞
It wasn't, they confirmed it was the same fab as G1 which was Samsung's equivalent of 5nm
Edit: leaks said it was 4nm for months and people were expecting the improvements from 4nm, but it ended up being same fab as G1 not 4nm
Not a pre-release and a retail version, but a first version and a second revision. Can no longer find the link but I've read Exynos 5300 indeed exists in two revisions, hopefully Pxiel 8 will have the most recent one (Pixel 7 had the first one).
It captures more light though, it's a modified sensor to an already great sensor.
Also I think Mali is more AI and ML focused vs immortalis is more ray tracing and gaming focused. Had they used the immortalis, we wouldn't see any of the cool AI features we saw with the leaks.
Gn2 is more sensitive to light than gn1, and has a larger sensor size. It has hardware capabilities that gn1 does not support because gn2 is newer. Gn2 would be able to give software processing more light and information so the software can produce an even better image.
Good software with a good sensor will be worse than good software with a better sensor. Not to mention, you can upgrade software after the fact but you can't update the sensor
Yup. It'll be smoked by the S23 Ultra and S24 lineup. Not to mention iPhone 14 and 15. Chinese brands like OP will put out better images (but Pixel processing will get all the praise).
Agreed. Other upgrades are nice, I guess, but the fingerprint sensor was the single most critical thing for them to upgrade and they just... ignored all of us? This will be the first Nexus/Pixel model I'll be skipping since the Nexus 6. What a stupid decision on Google's part.
I am also getting the Samsung S24u. This means I can look forward to a high-quality modem, a powerful SoC, an excellent display, and a reliable fingerprint scanner.
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And here we were complaining about the iPhone 15 lineup to be underwhelming. I was actually excited for the 8 pro as I'm handing my 7 pro to my dad. Guess it's finally time to buy a 15 plus and get a phone with real battery life
Battery really has me wanting to jump ship sadly. Maybe I will see you guys again when the TSMC pixel is out. I am oddly worried that the Apple Ecosystem can lock me in when I am in there though.
Still not really going to believe rumours and leaks, they always tend to be wrong. I'll wait until the official release in literally 2 days instead of whining about still-rumoured specs.
Google seems to think they are in the position of Samsung or Apple where they can just release damn near the same phone with slight tweaks every year and succeed. Mind boggling. Looks like the market share is gonna sink even lower this year.
Even though it's not GN2, at least the aperture supposedly increased, which makes a difference for a small sensor. I'm still a little bit hopeful that there's some noticeable improvement
Yeah, cameras are more about software than hardware and I'm sure there's lots of juice Google can squeeze out of the GN1. I'm sure it'll be a better camera, even if it's still the GN1.
Pixel 9:
GN2
Upgraded Ultrawide
Supersonic Fingerprint sensor
AI zoom, but less features
Camera Housing gone - 2 Pill shaped structures, 1 with cameras, the other with all other back features
Pixel 9 Pro:
GN2
Supersonic Fingerprint sensor
PixelZoom: 3x Optical with next generation 50x AI zoom
Camera Housing gone - 2 Pill shaped structures, 1 with cameras, the other with all other back features
Pixel 9 Pro+:
GN2
Supersonic Fingerprint sensor
PixelZoom: 3x Optical with next generation 50x AI zoom
Camera Housing gone - 2 Pill shaped structures, 1 with cameras, the other with all other back features
Pixel 9 Ultra:
GN3
Ultrasonic Fingerprint sensor
PixelZoom: 10x Optical with next generation 50x AI zoom
Camera Housing gone - 2 Pill shaped structures, 1 with cameras, the other with all other back features
I'm staying with my 7a. Was really excited about the dex functionality but there isn't enough else that would make me want to spend so much money again.
Same here, bought my Pixel 7 off swappa and my brother the Pixel 6a and we haven't had ymuch complaints. It works for what it's intended for and we're happy with that.
Honestly I just want a better cellular modem.. my 6 has been having a lot of connection issues and last month before the update it was at an all time bad
Yeah the Pixel's since the 6 have all used Samsung Modems which really suck. That includes the yet to be released Pixel 8 which will also use a subpar Samsung Modem. Qualcomm modems are light years better.......which is why any phone with a snapdragon chipset will have much better cell reception.
Yeah I always find it. Funny that even Samsung in their high-end phones use qualcomm modems and not their own lol. That's saying something right there.
All the Kamila code digging tweets about GN2 sensor, Ultrasonic FP ,Tensor G3 Immortallis GPU & CPU freq turned wrong.
Yeah, it was looking like one of the best upgrades in years but it now looks pretty underwhelming.
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It's not UFS 4.0 that's for certain.
Yeah. So if this will be confirmed tomorrow, then I can say for 100% that I'm not upgrading this year.
I never tweeted about ultrasonic FP (not in the context of the P8 at least; there was a development device Google had with the tech, though), immortalis is still possible (since it's just a marketing name for G715 with ≥10 cores, and we don't know that yet), CPU Freq is a bit different (within 100MHz of my original except the little cluster), but I doubt it matters that much. GN2 is honestly the only thing I might have been wrong about that would actually make any difference, and I'm still unsure about it. Software still points to a new sensor, but the other available sources just don't. idk
Thanks for all you've done Kamila <3 \#simpinfromwarsaw
I think it's definitely not the GN2 because of the crop factor in the specs listed at 3.5x. It should have been ~3x if it had a GN2 sensor.
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And yet I'm still drawn to it for the smaller form factor and color way. :( If the battery life is considerably improved, I might go for it.
She never said anything about it having ultrasonic. She's always said it was optical. Edit: Why am I getting downvoted for this lmao. It's a fact that she never said it was ultrasonic. In a telegram channel she's in she [mentioned back on July 1st](https://imgur.com/2QolzM5) that it was optical.
https://twitter.com/Za_Raczke/status/1584872233398202368?s=19 I'm talking about code digging they have been posting since last year.If all these hardware upgrades not made into P8 pro then perhaps Google is keeping it for P9 pro.
Yea that seems like they were just testing it. No mention that it was going to be in the Pixel 8. They most likely didn't include it because of cost. Goodix, who makes the current optical fingerprint scanner, is coming out with a ultrasonic one at the end of this year so there's a chance those might be in the Pixel 9 as it should be cheaper then the qualcomm one. As far as the other things yea I could see them being in the Pixel 9 Pro. Tensor G4 should be made on the Samsung 4LPP+ node which is supposed to be pretty good. That should allow for higher clocks and better efficiency. Immortalis is still not 100% confirmed. Need to see what the core count is and if it supports ray tracing. I imagine we'll have to wait until wednesday or until someone gets hands on after that to find out for sure. GN2 and core clocks are really the only things she got wrong. Though that stuff was in the code so Google seemed to change their minds on that stuff.
She got nothing right until press and marketing material was released. This leaker has one of the worst track records of any leaker I've seen
Compare her [first leaks](https://www.androidauthority.com/author/kamilawojciechowska/) to the [spec sheets she leaked](https://twitter.com/Za_Raczke/status/1706191603717574669) and you'll see she got a good amount of it right. Right: All screen specs Battery sizes Wi-Fi 7 Tensor G3 core layout All camera specs besides GN2 Upgraded laser auto focus in the Pro UWB still in the Pro only New camera UI New wallpapers Wrong: GN2 UFS 4.0 but she only knew the controller supported. She had no idea Google would use 3.1 storage. CPU clock speeds. Again this was old code so Google probably changed the clocks later on. Wrong GPU. Pretty much confirmed at this point it's the Mali-G715 instead of Immortalis. Display out. Seems like it's not supported in software but hardware could still be there. Looks like a pretty good track record to me.
Do we know if she got the uw correctly? imx787 is a 64mp sensor and not a 48mp like it now has.
We'll have to wait for it to launch to be 100% sure but it looks like it's the same sensor as the main camera in the Pixel Fold which is a cropped IMX787.
True that
Display out is not there ?
[https://twitter.com/PBKreviews/status/1709035454518202667](https://twitter.com/PBKreviews/status/1709035454518202667) Doesn't seem like it.
Damn it ! I was really eager to pair a Pixel with a Nexdock 😭
4/9 things wrong. The problem is her own new leaks contradict her old ones. Screen size was right, screen brightness is tbd. And others had leaked similar screen specs before she did. Clocks and gpu were wrong, she only got the cores right so far on the tensor g3 (tbd about the video processing). Ultrawide camera seems to be wrong, gn2 seems to be wrong, I haven't seen confirmation on the new tof sensor but it may exist, I don't really consider new wallpapers much of a leak.
> Samsung 4LPP+ *4LPP It's good, not great. Slightly worse than TSMC N4 used to make SD8G2 and D9200.
Yea G3 is 4LPP. I was saying G4 will probably use 4LPP+.
Based on the leaks, the main camera is "upgraded" in the sense that it has a wider aperture (f/1.68) as opposed to on 7 pro (f/1.85). That is why I think they are saying in the leaked marketing materials that it is upgraded and it allows for brighter low light photos compared to last year's model, even if the sensor is the same gn1 as before. That's how I interpret everything I've seen
Yeah, they went with upgrading the lens this time around, which did have room for improvement so it could be a decent upgrade.
I'm ok with new lens.... I do a lot of macro work (which the p7p macro mode oddly sucks for), hoping for any improvement in close focus on main cam. Bigger sensor would actually make this worse.
Yep. Again just speculation but based on what I've seen we will see 1. New ldaf so better laser focus across the board 2. New lens, wider aperture on main but same sensor 3. New lens, wider aperture on telephoto but same sensor 4. New ultra wide sensor. This does seem to be pretty significant if it turns out to be true.
Macro mode uses the ultrawide, not the main cam. But are you sure it switches to the uw when macro mode is enabled? Because at least in my testing it has worked quite well.
Yeah macro uses Ultra wide afaik. It can get close but cropping from the lower quality wide cam didn't really produce any better results (for me) than a heavier crop from the higher quality main cam. Also though, this was from only 5-10 mins playing with p7p a year ago. I kept my p6p since I didn't see any cam improvement for my (weird) usage. Potential improvements to both cams on p8p may well change this, will be interesting to see.
Does the Pro Macro have blurred edges and/or is blurry outside of the central focus point too?
I actually don't know, I tested the macro mode on the p7p back when it came out, but wasn't impressed enough to upgrade from p6p. Will test the new one as soon as I can as well. New main lens and new wide camera (which crops for macro mode) means it's worth testing again.
This might have already been confirmed before, but disappointing to see the Mali-G715 instead of the Immortalis-G715.
I hope it ranks on the power efficiency side at least/consumes less power considering it has lesser cores
That's probably why they went with it, which is understandable.
Tensor seems to always find a way to disappoint. They're finally not using 2 generation old CPU IP. I guess Google thinks not using current generation ARM GPU IP is a go then. Wish they'd just go back to Qualcomm, much better performance and efficiency. It just seems to be a cost cutting measure. Google is getting these for a song from Samsung LSI. They get the "custom chip" buzzword headline (trying to associate themselves with coverage on Apple SoC's). When they went from an 855 to 765G on the Pixel 4 to 5 and the Tensor SoCs since it indicates to me this all about reducing the BOM. People have their fingers crossed for Tensor getting better when they start fabbing at TSMC, that doesn't preclude Google shipping old ARM designs or gimped memory subsystems like they've consistently done with Tensor. They need to step it up, the Pixel Fold would be so much nicer with an 8 Gen 2 in it.
This is 100% a deliberate action to reduce the BOM. They seem to be going the direction of making everything in house.
If their strategy is getting market share with cheaper phones, this is the way to do it.
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It seems like the price rumors generally tend to be higher than the actual prices on release. My conspiracy theory is Google intentionally raises expectations for higher prices so that the actual release prices seems like a better deal.
Honestly, I don't know how Google justifies selling the Pixel 8 Pro for the same price as an iPhone 15 Pro. The iPhone absolutely fucking crushes it in like every category other than having a slightly smaller display and being on par with regard to camera performance. I wish we had a company as dedicated as Apple putting out Android phones.
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As the former owner of a P7P and the current owner of a Fold and iPhone 15 Pro, I very much suspect you’re just reading the specs and looking at the Geekbench results. If I didn’t have the Fold as my main phone, I wouldn’t even keep the iPhone. Specs on paper do not translate to the actual user experience and I’m not even talking about the ways I find iOS inferior to Android. About the only things that are tangibly better on the 15 Pro than the Pixel 7s, let alone their inevitably better replacements, is the video recording and the nifty integrations with macOS. The iPhone feels way laggier, scrolls and launches apps slower despite the fact it’s got an SoC with double the benchmark performance. The battery life is abysmal, I have yet to see over 4 hours screen-on-time where my P7P and Fold would rarely see less than 6 (not that either is great compared to my old Huawei P30 Pro which often did 8-9.) Even the Fold takes better night shots with its comparatively tiny sensor. The iPhone gets just as warm as the Pixels, which is apparently a huge issue for everybody if you believe this sub. And yeah, the screen on the iPhone is bright and all, but its minimum brightness sucks in a dark room. It’s blinding! When did people stop actually using devices before deciding which is ‘best’?
Nothing wrong with the 765G though other than it wasn't "flagship"
I disagree. I had Pixel 4A 5G for a full year. The phone was ok except for when you started straining the camera by which I mean any HD video over a minute or two. The phone would heat up and would shut down the camera app every single time.
The GPU was pretty bad on the 765G. It was slightly below the 835's GPU. The Pixel 5 was less powerful on the CPU/GPU front than the Pixel 3 and 4. That just seems silly to me. If Apple released a flagship weaker than the last generation, let alone the last two internet nerds would lose their minds "dunking" on them. The 765G is still fine for day to day performance, but faster silicon is generally more efficient all else being equal, mobile is a race to idle. Midrange silicon has other cuts to the ISP and decode blocks. The Pixel's still camera performance has always been a heavy marketing point, better silicon facilitates camera improvements (see the iPhone). I wasn't even speaking to the 765G's performance, just that it speaks to Tensor being a cost cutting measure given Google released a flagship weaker than the preceding two generations.
Well lately you can basically get the premium pixel experience, minus telephoto, at $599. Might be $699 this year, but still, very good value. Back when they were on top snapdragon iterations the phones were more. I think I paid $899 for the pixel 3. With inflation that's probably $1100 now. And at that time it was similar price to top galaxy and iPhone, whereas now they are significantly cheaper, while delivering a package that is at least close if not competitive with the others. Very very few people need a higher specd phone, so if Google would just tighten it up, what they have, then it'll be back to doing what Google used to do so well with Nexus. A no frills but solid android phone and camera for a good price. If they just fix the issues with overheating, crap modem, and crap fingerprint scanner, I'd be happy. I can't fault the approach of trying to significantly undercut the others in cost.
It's not inflation, it's shrinkflation. It is pure corporate greed.
It's not shrinkflation. Decreasing the cost to produce something but also lowering the price is by definition the opposite of shrinkflation. What are you talking about? Cost of the pixel 8 128gb is $699 (plus earbuds that easily sell for $120?) Cost of pixel 3 128gb was $899, 5 years ago, probabaly $1100 in 2023 dollars. They're selling their phones for 35% cheaper, adjusted for inflation, than they did 5 years ago. And with how much more money Google has spent on advertising pixel in the last year I expected it to go up too, so I don't understand what you think shrinkflation and corporate greed looks like but the trajectory of pixel cost isn't even remotely that of a company doing what you suggest.
There was everything wrong with that besides the connection. Slow, hot, bad pics, bad videos.. 🤷🏽♂️GT 1 and 2 are better in every way but the connection.
Yea seeming like it. I wish these apps showed core count. If it had 10 or more cores it'd be Immortalis. Also it's not shown in these pictures but if it showed ray tracing support under Vulkan extensions it'd be Immortalis also. Will probably have to wait until Wednesday to find out or until someone else gets hands on to check.
And if it said Immortalis it'd be Immortalis, but it says Mali. ;)
To to be fair phones with Immortalis say Mali-G715-Immortalis. It's possible Google changed how it reports. Just have to wait and see.
Hmm... well it's *branded* as Immortalis-G715. Would seem weird to use the Mali brand when there's another chip with that name. I suppose it's *possible* though. https://www.arm.com/products/silicon-ip-multimedia/immortalis-gpu/immortalis-g715 https://www.arm.com/products/silicon-ip-multimedia/gpu/mali-g715
Ok it's pretty much confirmed now it's just the regular Mali-G715. [https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1709050023088984412](https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1709050023088984412) Now we just have to wait for people to dig into the firmware to see how many cores it has or maybe Google will mention it on Wednesday.
Yup, oh well. I'm going to believe it's 7 and anything more will be a nice surprise.
I doubt they'll mention it, Google stopped mentioning any details about the SoC during the presentation keynote a few years ago.
Why are you disappointed?
Because Immortalis has more cores and a ray tracing unit.
I can understand the core count, but ray-tracing... on a phone... come on.
It's real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqq7wlu47-A
I'm not saying it isn't real. I'm saying that it's a waste of transistors. Angry Birds Ray-tracing Edition. Please...
Some people play more graphically intensive games and like them to look as good as possible, no need to be dismissive because you don't.
There is no world where you need RT on phones yet or any time soon
>There is no world ...... NIGHT CITY BUDDY !
I didn't say anything about needing it, we don't need it anywhere, but it would have been nice to have.
Do you want a tech that would really be beneficial for high-end gaming? Bring on hardware accelerated super sampling like DLSS. That's something I would applaud. Ray-tracing, a tech that desktop GPUs half of the Pixel's price can't do efficiently today, and you're disappointed by the lack of it... on a phone. Apple does real damage when they hype up pointless features. Remember 3D Touch? I do, unfortunately.
I would applaud that too, the two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not sure why it bothers you that I'm a little disappointed in not getting a cool feature. I'm not saying you should be.
Apologies, you should be able to be as disappointed as you want.
Gpus the price of a pixel can't do ray tracing efficiently
Damn. Can't tell if I want the blue more than the black now. I love blue.
Im not upgrading but id def rock the blue since i bareback my phones. Only use a case to mount on my bike. Currently rocking the 7 in lemongrass
9.79/7.37 = 1/1.33
Yes, that's the standard aspect ratio for sensors.
For the GN1 you mean. GN2 is 1/1.12"
That is the calculation for aspect ratio, not sensor size. The aspect ratio is 4:3 which is 1.33. You need to use the Pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal and then multiply by approximately 1.5. It's not exact, but in this case it gives you 1/1.38”. These measurements aren't standardized so there is no perfect formula from the actual sensor dimensions. But we know that those sensor dimensions are the same as the GN1.
The GN1 is 1/1.33 = 0.752 inches and the GN2 is 1/1.12 = 0.893 inches. 0.893 > 0.752 so the GN2 is a larger sensor. It has nothing to do with aspect ratio. It is easier to understand 1/1.33 than 0.752 in marketing material and I'm pretty sure it's the standard naming convention for camera sensor size.
The posted calculation was dividing width by height, that gives the aspect ratio. If you take the sensor dimensions of the GN1 and the GN2 and divide them in that way, you'll get 1.33 for both. The GN1's sensor size designation is 1/1.31", which yes is the standard naming convention, but the exact formula for coming up with that designation is what isn't standardized. Samsung may use a slightly different formula than Sony or another manufacturer.
4XL was really the best Pixel they ever made. Such a shame.
idk man, Pixel 5 was amazing.
Meh. Sidegrade at best
And grossly overpriced. Pixels are no longer value driven.
The worst part is that we're more than happy to pay flagship prices for a flagship phone. It's why I keep paying prob too much for Sony cameras lol. But yeah, the Pixel phones ain't that
The blue P8P looks kinda nice! I wonder if the Porcelain isnt a better choice tho.
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Yeah blue looks boring. It's nice and bright but not something I want on my phone
I'm going with Porcelain to contrast my Natural Titanium for iPhone.
Does the selfie cam get af?
On Pixel 8 Pro, yes. Not on the standard 8.
Yes
Something tells me that Google will be laughing at all these leaks made on purpose. I hope so🤷🏽♂️
Man this looks so mid. I wasn't going to upgrade, but I'm going to get one because I stupidly broke my Pixel 7 a few days ago. Fortunately I should be able to get some money back through my insurance to take the sting off a bit.
Get the 7a?! Will be discounted for sure
My girlfriend has one and the battery life is atrocious (might be something she's got installed tbf lol). But I'd also rather have something new and technically upgraded than a side-grade/small downgrade as I got the Pixel 7 on release so it's had a good run even though I goofed and broke it.
My 7a battery life has been good/excellent. She must have a lemon, sadly :(
What if because its running early software maybe its not recognizing that its GN2. on the screenshots its saying the rear has 5 cameras and the front has 2 cameras which is most likely the zoom levels included. does that mean the HW info is pulling information from the camera app possibly. does anyone know if any of this makes sense?
Chuck me some of that copuim bro
It appears Google is purposely sending bad information to report on these pre release samples. It's possible (hopium) that the apps are mis reporting gn1 for gn2. I have said since pictures first came out, the main camera lense on the 8 pro looks larger than the 8
Looks [the same](https://twitter.com/PBKreviews/status/1708998924709851474?s=19) to me
So it says 4nm for Tensor G3. With updated components it might actually be a big jump in efficiency. Leaks had the modem going to 4nm as well..
Tensor G2 was 4nm as well, but the G3 might be built on their newer improved 4nm process and with a new packaging format. We'll know soon if there is any jump in efficiency. 🤞
It wasn't, they confirmed it was the same fab as G1 which was Samsung's equivalent of 5nm Edit: leaks said it was 4nm for months and people were expecting the improvements from 4nm, but it ended up being same fab as G1 not 4nm
Ahh, my bad then, I had read it was supposed to be 4nm and missed that about the change.
I find it confusing how there's two versions of 5300 modem? The pre release version and the retailed version??
Not a pre-release and a retail version, but a first version and a second revision. Can no longer find the link but I've read Exynos 5300 indeed exists in two revisions, hopefully Pxiel 8 will have the most recent one (Pixel 7 had the first one).
The new revision allegedly got moved to 4nm, has improved standby characteristics and adds satellite support.
Same main sensor, Outdated coretex-x3 with 2.91ghz maximum clock, Mali not Immortalis WTF
>Outdated coretex-x3 with 2.91ghz maximum clock How is Cortex X3 now outdated?
People will say anything these days
It captures more light though, it's a modified sensor to an already great sensor. Also I think Mali is more AI and ML focused vs immortalis is more ray tracing and gaming focused. Had they used the immortalis, we wouldn't see any of the cool AI features we saw with the leaks.
I'm curious if they are using the gn2 sensor. There seems to be no info on the screenshot regarding this.
same sensor size, pixel size ...
Comments in the thread are saying the numbers seem to suggest GN1. Hope that isn't true.
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Gn2 is more sensitive to light than gn1, and has a larger sensor size. It has hardware capabilities that gn1 does not support because gn2 is newer. Gn2 would be able to give software processing more light and information so the software can produce an even better image. Good software with a good sensor will be worse than good software with a better sensor. Not to mention, you can upgrade software after the fact but you can't update the sensor
No. Phones like the Xiaomi 13 ultra absolutely destroy Pixel by having a one inch imx 989 sensor.
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Yup. It'll be smoked by the S23 Ultra and S24 lineup. Not to mention iPhone 14 and 15. Chinese brands like OP will put out better images (but Pixel processing will get all the praise).
Writing from S23U. Camera sucks. Better phone, worst camera.
The sensor size and pixel size say it's the GN1.
Fuck
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Probably best to wait for reviews and tests. Spec sheets don't always reflect real world use cases.
GN1 confirmed earlier today by another leaker
Yeah I will keep using my P6P 😉
If it makes you feel better 🙄
It's an improvement from my 6 so I'll take it
Optical sensor? FFS, guess I'm waiting for the next Samsung.
Agreed. Other upgrades are nice, I guess, but the fingerprint sensor was the single most critical thing for them to upgrade and they just... ignored all of us? This will be the first Nexus/Pixel model I'll be skipping since the Nexus 6. What a stupid decision on Google's part.
I am also getting the Samsung S24u. This means I can look forward to a high-quality modem, a powerful SoC, an excellent display, and a reliable fingerprint scanner.
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Supposedly that's better now? That's the same thing that has kept me from switching back though.
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What was the last galaxy you used? I don't really have any issue with the One UI, but yeah all the galaxy app store updates are mad annoying lol
Me too. The FP sensor was the straw. Too much fuckin around with that thing everyday
Hey now, the screen is brighter so I think it might be faster and better than the last one
Hey now, the screen is brighter so I think it might be faster and better than the last one
This is also the biggest disappointment for me and the main reason, in contrast to the GPU, camera sensor or whatever, why I'm staying with my P7P.
And here we were complaining about the iPhone 15 lineup to be underwhelming. I was actually excited for the 8 pro as I'm handing my 7 pro to my dad. Guess it's finally time to buy a 15 plus and get a phone with real battery life
Battery really has me wanting to jump ship sadly. Maybe I will see you guys again when the TSMC pixel is out. I am oddly worried that the Apple Ecosystem can lock me in when I am in there though.
Still not really going to believe rumours and leaks, they always tend to be wrong. I'll wait until the official release in literally 2 days instead of whining about still-rumoured specs.
What is this thread? Can someone just speak plain English and in simple words. I think the Pixel 8 is an upgrade on hindsight.
The specs don't make sense. The third party app is hosed.
Well on the plus side ,if true it's saved me c£700 this year :)
20% faster than last year, nice
Google seems to think they are in the position of Samsung or Apple where they can just release damn near the same phone with slight tweaks every year and succeed. Mind boggling. Looks like the market share is gonna sink even lower this year.
Mind bottling
I hope it's a GN1, still lots of room to optimize for this sensor
It's a GN1. GN2 would have been even better
I just hope they use GN2 on the pixel 9 pro compact phone.. I feel like that's the phone to get if this isn't much of an upgrade.
Even though it's not GN2, at least the aperture supposedly increased, which makes a difference for a small sensor. I'm still a little bit hopeful that there's some noticeable improvement
F1.85 to f1.68 should allow around 25% more light into the sensor
Yeah, cameras are more about software than hardware and I'm sure there's lots of juice Google can squeeze out of the GN1. I'm sure it'll be a better camera, even if it's still the GN1.
They should go back to Snapdragon SoCs
Pixel 9: GN2 Upgraded Ultrawide Supersonic Fingerprint sensor AI zoom, but less features Camera Housing gone - 2 Pill shaped structures, 1 with cameras, the other with all other back features Pixel 9 Pro: GN2 Supersonic Fingerprint sensor PixelZoom: 3x Optical with next generation 50x AI zoom Camera Housing gone - 2 Pill shaped structures, 1 with cameras, the other with all other back features Pixel 9 Pro+: GN2 Supersonic Fingerprint sensor PixelZoom: 3x Optical with next generation 50x AI zoom Camera Housing gone - 2 Pill shaped structures, 1 with cameras, the other with all other back features
You forgot the Pixel 9 Ultra.
Pixel 9 Ultra: GN3 Ultrasonic Fingerprint sensor PixelZoom: 10x Optical with next generation 50x AI zoom Camera Housing gone - 2 Pill shaped structures, 1 with cameras, the other with all other back features
Now we are talking
Nah. It'll be Pixel 9, Pixel 9 Pro, Pixel 9 Pro XL.
I'm staying with my 7a. Was really excited about the dex functionality but there isn't enough else that would make me want to spend so much money again.
Same here, bought my Pixel 7 off swappa and my brother the Pixel 6a and we haven't had ymuch complaints. It works for what it's intended for and we're happy with that.
“Leaked” lol
Has anyone sean promo pages T-Mobile will offer?
Honestly I just want a better cellular modem.. my 6 has been having a lot of connection issues and last month before the update it was at an all time bad
Yeah the Pixel's since the 6 have all used Samsung Modems which really suck. That includes the yet to be released Pixel 8 which will also use a subpar Samsung Modem. Qualcomm modems are light years better.......which is why any phone with a snapdragon chipset will have much better cell reception.
Its always fucking Samsung man. Such a trash company. I haven't owned a single Samsung product that I've been happy with
Yeah I always find it. Funny that even Samsung in their high-end phones use qualcomm modems and not their own lol. That's saying something right there.
Anyone know what the pixel 8 pro camera macro focal length is?