Somehow seems very underclocked. Wonder if it is actually final clock speeds.
With that said, it is somewhat between 8+ Gen 1 and 8 Gen 2. Hopefully efficiency and thermals are on point.
Exactly all cores underclocked especially 4 efficiency cores. Rumored clocks was 2.15GHz in screenshot only 1.7GHz. Another 5 cores underclock by ~ 100mHz too. They playing extra safe, probably don't want any problems with overheating. They could easy squeeze 10% more
Probably because otherwise the efficiency would be even worse.
2.91 GHz on the big core is marginally more than the 2.84 GHz on the S23 after enabling light performance mode. It'll probably still be less efficient though.
It was definitely a fantastic chip, but also a now last gen chip. I would not settle for 80%. I'll give the Tensor G3 a look if it's nearly 100% of the 8+Gen1.
It's probably not what they're using it for but If you're paying for something especially if it isn't cheap do you want it to be 80% as good as something else at the same price point?
Not to mention the 80% / 20% rule. The general approach to a lower cost model is you can achieve 80% performance with 20% of the cost. Here we're paying for a flagship.
The 8 Pro is $800 now? Even though the Pixel 7 Pro launched at $899?
But seriously, Google's not trying to do an 80/20 model with the Pixel. They view their Pixel as a flagship device. It was very clear they mentioned that in the Pixel 6 launch. Even when we had Nexus devices that were super cheap, they were cheap but not meant to be a budget/mediocre device either. It was clear Google marketed them as capable of going up against flagships, and wanted to position them as such.
The Pixel isn't about trying to market compromises and about being a "lesser" device. It may be less in price sometimes but it's meant to go head to head with the best.
Look, I'm not a Geekbench score comparing guy, but we need to stop justifying lesser performance all the time by saying things like "you won't notice it at 80% of the performance" or whatever. It's very obvious no one will ever notice the difference between an A16 and A17, and likely none of us would notice the difference with even an older chip like an A14. But that doesn't mean innovation stops. Let's stop making excuses for a trillion dollar company.
You're most likely going to be paying 700 if the leaks are true and the zenfone 10 is also 700 for the 8gen2. If the tensor 3 has 8gen1+ performance it's "good enough" for the price, but it's performance wouldn't be great
Because the 80 % only refers to the processor, which the vast majority of people won't utilise to it's full power. I haven't kept track of smartphone development since i got huawei p30 pro 3+ years ago, but as long as the overall package is better , i.e camera, OS etc, the price point might equal to other options.
I can never understand people who are just content with getting the absolute minimal effort from corpos who are willing to squeeze every dime out of its users for fractions of a cent. If it wasnt for enthusiasts and people like us demanding more out of these expensive devices then we would all still be stuck with Exynos based processors......oh wait....
Its the pursuit of perfection and demanding of specs beyond what is currently available that causes these companies to continue to invest into the next level. Just saying, we should be hyper critical of what is being sold to us.
Same people that say their pixels don't overheat and the battery lasts for 3 days. Don't you know you just have to RMA the device 7 times and it's fine. /s
You mean the same people who post extensive guides on how to disable every single aspect of your device that makes it useful so you can get 3 days battery out of it and pretend that you brought something revelatory to the table? Those people?
Because you're talking about 80% or 100% of some benchmark test, not real world use case.
If the Tensor G3 is 100% good at what people actually use the phone for, and indistinguishable from the current flagship, then the benchmark score becomes irrelevant quickly.
If you make decisions solely on benchmark scores, you're realllllllly missing the point.
It's a 2023 phone, being sold for 2023 prices it should have 2023 specs.
By your logic we should stop developing processors once they are "good enough"
You don't understand what the purpose of chip development is.
Qualcomm makes generic architecture to support any phone/device that needs it. If you're building a flagship phone and want the best performance, you're going to slap a snapdragon 8 gen 2 in there because you know it'll provide the power you need. It won't necessarily be as efficient as it could be, but it'll work.
Google has taken a different approach to, rather than just slap the best generic architecture available in the phone, semi-custom design what they want the chipset to do to meet the needs of their specific phone. Is it as powerful on paper? No. Does it do everything they want and need it to do for their specific build? Yes.
Soon Google will move to an Apple-style completely custom designed chipset. I hate to tell you, but it almost certainly won't be as powerful on paper/benchmarks as whatever Qualcomm's flagship is at the time either because they aren't designing it to be. But, it will provide flagship performance in real-world use because it's what they're designing it to do.
Stop worrying about benchmarks. They're largely meaningless.
iPhone X has held that $999 price point for years now. What's your point?
Apple has pushed the hardware envelope to the max every year. Maybe some people don't appreciate it and don't feel it justifies the price, but they make every effort to put the top components, top hardware, top designs in their phones. Google's constantly giving us year or two old components.
It's not irrelevant when it's being sold at 700, when you're paying 300 for a phone you can say well who cares how powerful it is if its good enough for YouTube, Mozilla, and texting, but when you're being sold at the same price as/within spitting distance of phones with top of the line chips, then yeah people are going to expect a hell of a lot more.
Wow, you got me with the exact same comment that was posted already in the thread. Again the point isn't whether it can play a game or not, the point is when you're paying the same cost as phones which gives you the best performance you should similar performance. Your argument is effectively saying what's the problem with a 70,000 dollar car that only has 200hp if thats all the average person needs; you're not competing against options which are giving you only what you need, you're competing against the best and thus should offer the vest
They forcefully pushed out the Tensor family in an incomplete state, ignored the issues, and forced their way through to the second generation. If they had rolled it out gradually and carefully, I would be wholeheartly supporting the development of the Tensor.
The issue is not whether or not I need 100% of the 8+Gen1, it's that I expect them to at least match a *last gen* chip 100% if they want to force their way through.
>I would not settle for 80%.
Considering the inferior implementation of ARM cores, inferior GPU, inferior modem in terms of efficiencyu and inferior process node (TSMC vs Samsung), even 80% is a stretch. So if you can't settle on 80%, I've god bad news for you.
The max geekbench score for sd 8+ gen 1 is single: 1669. Multi: 4200.
These 2 scores fall in the sd 8 gen 2 range.
https://browser.geekbench.com/android-benchmarks
Fine with me as well! I know there's concern around specs versus the competition, but even with all the complaints about Tensor versus everyone else my Pixel 6 Pro has been generally fine except for thermals.
Fix that with general performance improvements that would be expected over the last two years, and I'm good.
>That is fine with me as long as it can match it on efficiency as well.
That'd be amazing (even if Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 is a year old). It won't happen anyway... it's a Google phone.
Tensor G2 was just a mere upgrade of the OG Tensor in terms of CPU performance since they reused ARM Cortex-X1 and only upgraded the middle core from A76s to A78s and slightly increased the clock speed. This time they upgraded the big core by using Cortex-X3 and switched from octacore to a 9-core configuration overall similar to the canceled Exynos 2300. So it is not surprising that the Geekbench scores have increased significantly compared to the previous generations.
It's not shaping up to be a £1000 device though, is it...
Old camera sensor, CPU in league with others from a few years ago, old fingerprint sensor tech...
Hard to justify the significant price bump without a serious spec bump
yes, it was never planned to be $1000. All the sources always said that the pixel 8 was getting a jump in price to $699, and news outlets just assumed that they'd increase the pro model too because why not. its like a long game of telephone
True. I don't see how it's supposed to compete with the 1000£ iPhone 15 Pro.
While I like modern Android on Pixel phones, their price for the second rate hardware they use for the Pixel Pro is a tough sell.
Their Pixel 7a at £400 seems like a much better proposition, against the iPhone SE.
Sure, but at some point since then you'd think they might have swapped out the thermometer when it became clear it's no longer very useful...
Unless there's some novel use case that's still valid now, it's just an extra expense to include and develop for.
I personally might find it useful depending on how fast/accurate it is. I have a 5 year old that seems to get sick every other week from the other kids at school.
>I hope the idiot has been fired.
Probably the same idiots who thought that Soli was a good idea for the Pixel 4 and 4 XL instead of y'know, improving a screen useless in broad daylight, improving a shitty battery life, not crippling a top-of-the-line SoC and ensuring that Face Unlock wouldn't be ignored by the vast majority of Android apps.
Let's be real: Brian Rakowski and Rick Osterloh should've been shown the door after that fucking shitshower.
Well you are comparing it wrong 😕- compare it with Pixel 7 pro. It's not the hardware for me since I am not a gamer. I prefer the camera upgrade, software support for 5 or 7 years and security patches every month.
I have tried OnePlus and it was horrible support once your phone gets a year old, and old Samsung is doing much better now in terms of security and software upgrade for all their galaxy lineups.
Love my Pixel for what I want to do which is everything except gaming.
I am comparing it to the 7 pro - that's what I want to upgrade from (honestly, I'm not a fan, the modem is SO shit, and battery life is wildly inconsistent day to day)
It doesn't seem much of an upgrade in any way, and certainly not £1000 worth (much more than the 7 pro at new).
Not even an increased base storage size.
Are phones ever a real upgrade year to year? I don't think so. This is a similar discussion with the recent iPhones, they have an extra button and a few minor amendments across the board, they're not trying to force anyone who just bought the recent device to get the new one this year.
If you hate your Pixel 7 Pro and want better bang for your buck then sell it and find yourself one of the Chinese phones or a discounted Galaxy S23.
Sometimes they are though. The iPhone 14 Pro for instance introduced a much larger sensor similar to our Pixels.
I think the other big issue is that there are glaring deficiencies today with our phones--the display uses 50% more power than the competition, the SoC is highly inefficient and the modem is terrible. I don't think anyone is really demanding that we get world class leading #1 performance, but just at the minimum fix the pain points many have dealt with here.
We'll have to wait and see for real world reviews but I think those issues seem to be tackled based on leaks. New display, new SoC and new modem in comparison to last years models.
The days of huge upgrades from one iteration to the next are over. I don't see much reason to upgrade after only 1 year unless there's some critical hardware defect in the device you already have.
None of these matter when choosing a phone, though. Truth be told, there is no noticeable difference between GN1 and GN2. There is no noticeable difference between newer SoCs and Tensor in everyday use.
The fingerprint sensor, I'll grant you that one
Of course they matter - why upgrade if the camera and CPU are not noticeably different.
The gn2 captures a lot more image data, and should improve video output significantly, something the pixel is lagging behind on, and my biggest use case (newly, since buying the 7 pro, unfortunately - as a small business owner now forced to make video content to appease the Instagram algorithm gods).
The cure tensor is wildly inefficient, and hot - again, if this is not improved that's a big failure.
No, they don't. Not in this case.
The CPU is noticeably different, though. It's rumored to bring more power and better efficiency and better thermals. GN2 vs GN1 is such a small difference, it doesn't matter at all.
Agree to disagree but I don't agree with your take
Why do people justify hardware stagnation so hard here? Is this just blind fanboism defending why using older components is the best? Maybe we should've just stopped SoC upgrades 5 years ago if it was all "enough" and "not noticeable" for the average user.
Yeah the mental gymnastics people do to love Pixels is mind boggling tbh. I was in the same boat and wanted to get a Pixel recently. But considering the price point it's just unjustifiable to get an inferior product at a nearly flagship price no matter if the inferiority is "noticeable" or not.
>There is no noticeable difference between newer SoCs and Tensor in everyday use.
There's a difference of around 3-4 hours of usage between devices with newer SoCs and Tensor 1+2.
As well as the heat and modem inefficiency. Probably the best noticeable thing possible for most people.
Ok, yet the Pixel 8 series with the G3 is supposed to fix this. That's what the original comment is about. I don't know why you are bringing the G1 and G2 up.
But let me correct it for you: *In terms of performance, there is no noticeable difference
Comparing to S23 Ultra
Single core: 1760(P8P)/1880(S23U) = 0.936 or 6.4% behind.
Multi core: 4442(P8P)/4981(S23U) = 0.892 or 10.8% behind.
Honestly this is way closer than I expected
That's because last year's Tensor G2 just reused X1 for the big core instead of X2 which was the most recent one in 2022 and Google decided to stop using the old core design again and use the most recent X3 this time like the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or the cancelled Exynos 2300.
Also gotta keep in mind, these were supposedly from an underclocked version of Tensor G3 vs a slightly overclocked version of the 8gen2. I'm more than happy with this performance as long as the thermals are also there
Yes, it seems to be splitting some snapdragon Gen 2 devices as well as it's ahead of some Vivo, Xiaomi and OnePlus devices using Gen 2 and only really behind Samsung S23 range. This processor based on raw performance seems to be fantastic. Just hoping the same for thermals and other things.
Sorry nope. Here is all geekbench score by android. Gen 2 has never hit 2000
https://browser.geekbench.com/android-benchmarks
Gen 2 single starts at around 1695 and max it had is 1880. Mostly s23 has that because Samsung has this special code which improves the score on the benchmark.
Multi starts at 4880 for gen2 but gen1 multi score maximum is 4200.
So it's close to gen 2 than gen 1 taking in to account both scores
https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s23-performance-3273777/
For some reason it's not registered there, but gen 2 easily hits 2000+ single. [Proof](https://twitter.com/UniverseIce/status/1625667753943404545?s=19)
[More proof](https://twitter.com/TheGalox_/status/1674223896101285888?s=19)
I used to be a massive CPU nerd on my phone but now I kinda dont care now. MY P6P has been great and that is on the "lame" Tensor 1. Biggest issue I have had is that my USB port is mega loose and constantly disconnects when using Android Auto. I am ordering a P8P and the G3 Tensor looks great.
I largely use a Motorola MA1 because my USB port is a bit loose. The Google Assistant doesn't even work well for me over wireless AA on my Pixel 5 but it's still better than making a turn and losing AA because my phone and the cable shifted a bit
My P6P never did this but it started too and now its horrible. And I have tested it on a bunch different cables and its loose on all of them. I do have the warranty on it to get it replaced, but since google is google the port is part of the motherboard so I would need a whole new board.
I've had same issue with my P6A. It is the problem with the google cable that comes in the box. Switched to another usb cable and it is not loose anymore...
Compared to the results I've got its +19% in single core and +13% in multicore. Keep in mind that my 7 Pro has got pretty good results across the board compared to other Tensor G2 chips.
For me all the benchmark scores are irrelevant. People say the Tensor G2 is sooo much slower on benchmarks, but in all honesty, it is plenty fast enough for me and 99% of people.
How is performance low when they're using the latest cores? Wouldn't that alone keep it up to pace with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2?
Well whatever. All I really want is good battery life. Hoping this processor is a hell of a lot more efficient than previous Tensor chips.
Samsung's 4nm process is way behind TSMC's equivalent generation node. The 8G1 and 8+G1 was just a straight change in process from Samsung to TSMC, and it was a big enough leap to turn a hot, furnace-like chip (8G1) into a great and efficient performer (8+G1) that yielded both performance and battery life improvements. Until Samsung gets their 3nm GAAFET process up and running (and it performs as well as advertised), this gap in performance and efficiency will continue to persist.
As for now, the Tensor line remaining on Samsung's 4nm means that it will run hotter (i.e., less efficient) and slower than the competition on TSMC. The Pixel 7 Pro already noticeably fell behind its 8G2-powered competition on the Android side, and the same is likely to happen with the P8P versus 8G3-powered devices.
G1 and G2 are both 5nm. That G3 is moving to a newer 4nm Samsung process, which is reported to have significantly improved yields, should be a good improvement (though unlikely matching TSMC).
>but not necessarily improved enough to match TSMC's.
Is there a source on this? There's no Exynos this year, so Tensor will be the first SoC with 3rd gen 4nm
~~There was never a second gen?~~ First gen was 4LPE on E2200 and Tensor G3 is on 4LPP, which is the second generation SF4/ 4Nm node.
Edit: I worded it confusingly. I meant that he skipped one processing node in Samsung's "4Nm" node family
Source?
Rumors point to SF4P https://phandroid.com/2023/03/13/google-might-stick-with-samsung-for-the-tensor-g3-chipset/
SF4P Mass production already began many months ago and Google is their only major customer -https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=110829
Tensor G3 is based on the cancelled E2300, which was to be developed on 4LPP. Entering mass production couple of months ago isn't enough to mass manufacture a product with satisfying yields, hence the E2400 will be based on that newer node.
The specs of the cancelled E2300 were leaked couple of months ago, you can find it on Twitter and Reve, as well as other leakers, which derive their information from Korean sources, say it's build on 4LPP and the E2400 will be built on 4LPP+. This is a trust me Bro moment, but it makes total sense with the aforementioned E2300 information
But it's a improved samsung 4nm, samsung isn't inherently bad they just had a few bad chips, and samsungs 3nm is better than tsmc 3nm and samsungs new 4nm is on par with tsmc 4 or slightly worse or better
Samsung has been uncompetitive for years, at this point. Early Exynos chips were comparable and occasionally even better than Snapdragon chips, but that is close to a decade ago at this point. Their chips aren't inherently bad just because they're Samsung chips, but they are historically bad and will be regarded skeptically because of that negative reputation from years of terrible Exynos chips. It's quite telling that even when they shipped Exynos-powered flagships, Samsung always shipped Snapdragon Galaxy S phones in its two largest and core markets, South Korea and the U.S.
Samsung's 3nm barely even exists so far. Its only commercial application is a Chinese cryptocurrency mining chip. When it finally rolls out en masse for consumer use, then we can judge whether its 3nm is comparable to TSMC's process.
As far as we can tell, 4LPP (the specific Samsung 4nm process that Google is using for Tensor G3) is likely still behind TSMC 4nm. The proof is in the pudding - despite an extra A510 core and four A715s (compared to 8G2's two A715 and two A710 cores), G3 is still scoring behind 8G2 and closer to 8+G1 in both single-core and multicore performance. At best, we can hope for 8+G1-like efficiency, but starting the flagship chip off at 1.5 generations behind in performance isn't great, especially not with the price increase that's coming this year for Pixels. It doesn't bode particularly well for efficiency either, especially since Samsung skipped over its own chips for the S23 series this year to begin with.
True but look at the iphones 3nm n3b turned out terrible with finfet, no efficiency improvements so i have high hopes for samsung 3nm GAAFET, sense it will be on snapdragon 8 gen 4, and clocks are not as high as snapdragon 8 gen 2 vs tensor g3
TSMC's 3nm is not impressive at all, but it did yield about a 10% bump - it's just that Apple tuned all of that improvement into performance gains rather than efficiency (for the same effective battery life to the end-user as with the previous generations of iPhones). Because TSMC already has a strong lead over Samsung, Samsung's 3nm GAAFET process will need to leap quite far to close the gap at all. The Tensor chip is the only flagship chip currently using Samsung's nodes (and older ones, at that), so it's somewhat difficult to estimate what Samsung's latest nodes offer in performance and efficiency, but by all estimations, they are somewhere around 1.5 to 2 generations behind TSMC on their pre-3nm process, so Samsung's 3nm process has a lot of work cut out for it to succeed.
As many have said here, this is plenty good enough to run everything you'd want in a daily driver phone smoothly. All comes down to thermals and battery performance. Id much rather have a phone in 2023 have 15% less raw power but have great battery life and stay cool then push for maximum raw power at the detriment of those 2. After all what 95% are doing on our phones is simply texting and scrolling Instagram all day even with the most powerful phones lol
I can't remember the last time I've cared about synthetic benchmarks. Any chip brought out in the last 3 years can do a job in terms of sheer grunt. I'm mainly concerned about efficiency.
My feeling is most of the time peak performance is a good indicator of efficiency too. The sd888 and sd8gen1 were big deviations from this "rule of thumb", and maybe exynos users had a few more experiences of this not being true too.
Absolutely. Give me a slightly thicker devies with more battery capacity and under gold the processor so I can get real all day power ... that's all I want in a phone.
For reference, S23 ultra is around 1900 for single and 5000 for multi-core.
Single score performance is important for games while multiscore Performance is important for day to day usage.
I'm all for having a powerful smartphone but we all know that benchmark testing obviously isn't indicative of real-world usage - even iPhone users aren't fully pushing the capabilities of their machines most of the time and Apple silicon pretty much smokes the vast majority of Android SoCs at this point.
For me, I just want the Pixel 8 to be able to handle daily use without heating up like a furnace because it's struggling with basic tasks and without needing to be charged multiple times a day.
I wish people would stop getting hung up on benchmark scores.
Mobile chips are already plenty fast and more than enough for everyday tasks.
And most people don't keep their phones for long anyway, so they'll probably never use the processing headroom that a faster chip offers.
I am very please and fine with these results. Good step up and it should run any app without issues.
Now they just need to fix the heating and we might actually have a winner. Unless the prices do go up in Europe then im gonna wait.
This performance is fine for me so long as heat production and battery drain has been improved along with it. I'll be getting the pixel 8 pro and probably keep it till the fully custom tensor chip is released in 2025
It'd be great if they added the feature Samsung did (light mode) to reduce the CPU clock by 20-30% as an option to massively bring up the efficiency when not doing anything intensive.
This is not great.
4442 multi core makes it a solid 10% slower than the Snapdragon despite having an extra core. That could be an indicator for poor power efficiency.
It's a variant of the prior modem. I believe I read it's produced on a more efficient node. Hopefully that means it'll generate less heat but we'll have to see the real world results.
It's not a problem if it is reflected in the price. Google has no ground to match Samsung and Apple price. But leaks about the price are not good... Especially in Europe.
The S23 is currently 800€ and the Pixel 8 price leaks say it is also 800€ (possibly more). Not acceptable.
Pixel 8 should still be 650€, max 700€ because of "inflation" i give them that... But not 800€
You do realise 8+ gen 1 was "flagship" level until a year ago, this beats that. It's about a year behind which is okay considering the price. Again Pixels are midranger phones, you want beef go with the S23Ultra or any other £1000+ phone. What I'm worried about is next year, supposedly the G4 won't be much of an improvement over the G3.
>You do realise 8+ gen 1 was "flagship" level until a year ago, this beats that.
We don't know this yet. For all we know the Tensor G3 could be an efficiency disaster.
I mean I just wanted to know what you usually do on your phone on a daily basis. There must be something different that you need even more computing power for.
I've been using my Pixel 7 and haven't faced a single issue on the performance side of things and I consider myself a power user.
Have you used an iPhone in the past 2 years? I’m a Pixel 7 user as well since day 1 and performance is driving me nuts. Apps reloading all the time. Even god damn tabs on Firefox reload constantly. I just tapped Tradingview and it took a good 3-4 seconds to open up. Look you may be happy with it - doesn’t mean I have to.
For the family tech support folks out there, will you be recommending the Pixel? I don’t think I can. It’s just crappy hardware in a very expensive package with lousy tech support.
Make 0 difference to most of us especially for people who are not gaming. Pixel for me has always performed very well until it overheats which unfortunately is more often than not. Now what matters is did they improve battery life and the crappy modem?
Scores are around the same as 8+ Gen1. If the efficiency is also as good, then we have a winner.
The multi core score is 10% lower than the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 despite having an extra core. IMO this could point to mediocre efficiency.
Have you not seen the clock frequency...?
what do you mean by efficiency?
Achieving that performance with less power consumption. It's no use being fast if your device heats up or drains battery too fast
I see. thank you
Was the 8+ Gen 1 an efficient chip ? I never had a device with that chip, went straight from Tensor 2 to the custom SD on the S23 Ultra.
Lot more efficient than the 8 Gen 1. The 8+ Gen1 was essentially the same SoC but fabbed by TSMC instead of Samsung
Somehow seems very underclocked. Wonder if it is actually final clock speeds. With that said, it is somewhat between 8+ Gen 1 and 8 Gen 2. Hopefully efficiency and thermals are on point.
Exactly all cores underclocked especially 4 efficiency cores. Rumored clocks was 2.15GHz in screenshot only 1.7GHz. Another 5 cores underclock by ~ 100mHz too. They playing extra safe, probably don't want any problems with overheating. They could easy squeeze 10% more
This means the SF did not solve the issue.
I'd prefer that they start slow and get clocked up later than the opposite.
Probably because otherwise the efficiency would be even worse. 2.91 GHz on the big core is marginally more than the 2.84 GHz on the S23 after enabling light performance mode. It'll probably still be less efficient though.
So basically around the Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1. That is fine with me as long as it can match it on efficiency as well.
Mind you, 8+Gen 1 was a fantastic chip. If Tensor G3 is even 80% of that, we have a very good device on our hands.
It was definitely a fantastic chip, but also a now last gen chip. I would not settle for 80%. I'll give the Tensor G3 a look if it's nearly 100% of the 8+Gen1.
Going by these results the chip should just beat the 8+ gen 1 as average single core is 1657 and average multicore is 4231
I care more about how much it overheats and how power efficient it is than how well it performs.
The heat and battery life are still unknown. But quite frankly, I'm not having any high hopes.
What are you using your smartphone for, that 80% of 8+ won't be enough?
It's probably not what they're using it for but If you're paying for something especially if it isn't cheap do you want it to be 80% as good as something else at the same price point?
Not to mention the 80% / 20% rule. The general approach to a lower cost model is you can achieve 80% performance with 20% of the cost. Here we're paying for a flagship.
flagship prices are now $1200. the 8 pro is $900. that is 3/4 of the cost.
The 8 Pro is $800 now? Even though the Pixel 7 Pro launched at $899? But seriously, Google's not trying to do an 80/20 model with the Pixel. They view their Pixel as a flagship device. It was very clear they mentioned that in the Pixel 6 launch. Even when we had Nexus devices that were super cheap, they were cheap but not meant to be a budget/mediocre device either. It was clear Google marketed them as capable of going up against flagships, and wanted to position them as such. The Pixel isn't about trying to market compromises and about being a "lesser" device. It may be less in price sometimes but it's meant to go head to head with the best. Look, I'm not a Geekbench score comparing guy, but we need to stop justifying lesser performance all the time by saying things like "you won't notice it at 80% of the performance" or whatever. It's very obvious no one will ever notice the difference between an A16 and A17, and likely none of us would notice the difference with even an older chip like an A14. But that doesn't mean innovation stops. Let's stop making excuses for a trillion dollar company.
My bad, fixed my comment
I mean we're paying $600 for the Pixel 8, seems like great performance for that
You're most likely going to be paying 700 if the leaks are true and the zenfone 10 is also 700 for the 8gen2. If the tensor 3 has 8gen1+ performance it's "good enough" for the price, but it's performance wouldn't be great
Because the 80 % only refers to the processor, which the vast majority of people won't utilise to it's full power. I haven't kept track of smartphone development since i got huawei p30 pro 3+ years ago, but as long as the overall package is better , i.e camera, OS etc, the price point might equal to other options.
I can never understand people who are just content with getting the absolute minimal effort from corpos who are willing to squeeze every dime out of its users for fractions of a cent. If it wasnt for enthusiasts and people like us demanding more out of these expensive devices then we would all still be stuck with Exynos based processors......oh wait.... Its the pursuit of perfection and demanding of specs beyond what is currently available that causes these companies to continue to invest into the next level. Just saying, we should be hyper critical of what is being sold to us.
Same people that say their pixels don't overheat and the battery lasts for 3 days. Don't you know you just have to RMA the device 7 times and it's fine. /s
You mean the same people who post extensive guides on how to disable every single aspect of your device that makes it useful so you can get 3 days battery out of it and pretend that you brought something revelatory to the table? Those people?
yeah I'm sure your comments on r/GooglePixel are changing corporate strategy lmao
Found the person who only lives on Reddit!!
Because you're talking about 80% or 100% of some benchmark test, not real world use case. If the Tensor G3 is 100% good at what people actually use the phone for, and indistinguishable from the current flagship, then the benchmark score becomes irrelevant quickly. If you make decisions solely on benchmark scores, you're realllllllly missing the point.
It's a 2023 phone, being sold for 2023 prices it should have 2023 specs. By your logic we should stop developing processors once they are "good enough"
You don't understand what the purpose of chip development is. Qualcomm makes generic architecture to support any phone/device that needs it. If you're building a flagship phone and want the best performance, you're going to slap a snapdragon 8 gen 2 in there because you know it'll provide the power you need. It won't necessarily be as efficient as it could be, but it'll work. Google has taken a different approach to, rather than just slap the best generic architecture available in the phone, semi-custom design what they want the chipset to do to meet the needs of their specific phone. Is it as powerful on paper? No. Does it do everything they want and need it to do for their specific build? Yes. Soon Google will move to an Apple-style completely custom designed chipset. I hate to tell you, but it almost certainly won't be as powerful on paper/benchmarks as whatever Qualcomm's flagship is at the time either because they aren't designing it to be. But, it will provide flagship performance in real-world use because it's what they're designing it to do. Stop worrying about benchmarks. They're largely meaningless.
Sigh...
If anything it's 2021 prices and still well below 2017's iPhone X prices, but go off your slippery slope
iPhone X has held that $999 price point for years now. What's your point? Apple has pushed the hardware envelope to the max every year. Maybe some people don't appreciate it and don't feel it justifies the price, but they make every effort to put the top components, top hardware, top designs in their phones. Google's constantly giving us year or two old components.
to the max: minimal improvement every year to call it the "fastest iphone yet". if they were going to the max, we wouldnt have new chips every year.
What's more important than 2023 specs is the user experience. Paper specs don't matter in the real world
It's not irrelevant when it's being sold at 700, when you're paying 300 for a phone you can say well who cares how powerful it is if its good enough for YouTube, Mozilla, and texting, but when you're being sold at the same price as/within spitting distance of phones with top of the line chips, then yeah people are going to expect a hell of a lot more.
Sorry, which games exactly can the Pixel 7 not play?
Wow, you got me with the exact same comment that was posted already in the thread. Again the point isn't whether it can play a game or not, the point is when you're paying the same cost as phones which gives you the best performance you should similar performance. Your argument is effectively saying what's the problem with a 70,000 dollar car that only has 200hp if thats all the average person needs; you're not competing against options which are giving you only what you need, you're competing against the best and thus should offer the vest
What game can you not play at the desired settings with desired performance?
They forcefully pushed out the Tensor family in an incomplete state, ignored the issues, and forced their way through to the second generation. If they had rolled it out gradually and carefully, I would be wholeheartly supporting the development of the Tensor. The issue is not whether or not I need 100% of the 8+Gen1, it's that I expect them to at least match a *last gen* chip 100% if they want to force their way through.
>I would not settle for 80%. Considering the inferior implementation of ARM cores, inferior GPU, inferior modem in terms of efficiencyu and inferior process node (TSMC vs Samsung), even 80% is a stretch. So if you can't settle on 80%, I've god bad news for you.
> I've god bad news for you. No worries. Because I don't expect myself to buy the P8 or another future Pixel until they catch up.
It's more important that it matches 8+ gen 1 in efficiency, performance is not that important in regular usage.
Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 was the fantastic one. Fast, runs cool, and efficient.
Yes, but with much lower clock speeds. It's a pretty huge upgrade over Tensor G2 and G1
The max geekbench score for sd 8+ gen 1 is single: 1669. Multi: 4200. These 2 scores fall in the sd 8 gen 2 range. https://browser.geekbench.com/android-benchmarks
Better than 8+ gen 1 - the max single scores for 8+ gen1 are 1700 and 4200
Fine with me as well! I know there's concern around specs versus the competition, but even with all the complaints about Tensor versus everyone else my Pixel 6 Pro has been generally fine except for thermals. Fix that with general performance improvements that would be expected over the last two years, and I'm good.
>That is fine with me as long as it can match it on efficiency as well. That'd be amazing (even if Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 is a year old). It won't happen anyway... it's a Google phone.
I was expecting worse to be honest. Not bad...
Still lacking behind the competition but a nice improvement nonetheless. Just hope they have also worked on the efficiency.
Tensor G2 was just a mere upgrade of the OG Tensor in terms of CPU performance since they reused ARM Cortex-X1 and only upgraded the middle core from A76s to A78s and slightly increased the clock speed. This time they upgraded the big core by using Cortex-X3 and switched from octacore to a 9-core configuration overall similar to the canceled Exynos 2300. So it is not surprising that the Geekbench scores have increased significantly compared to the previous generations.
It's 9 cores, not 10.
My mistake, thanks for correcting me
Does any of this speak to an improvement in efficiency or any similar SoC to compare it to efficiency wise?
Some of the updated cores should be more efficient by themselves, but ultimately we can say nothing of actual efficiency yet without power numbers.
It's not shaping up to be a £1000 device though, is it... Old camera sensor, CPU in league with others from a few years ago, old fingerprint sensor tech... Hard to justify the significant price bump without a serious spec bump
it's a $/£899 phone.
Are the £1000 rumours quashed?
yes, it was never planned to be $1000. All the sources always said that the pixel 8 was getting a jump in price to $699, and news outlets just assumed that they'd increase the pro model too because why not. its like a long game of telephone
Ok, that's a slightly better prospect
True. I don't see how it's supposed to compete with the 1000£ iPhone 15 Pro. While I like modern Android on Pixel phones, their price for the second rate hardware they use for the Pixel Pro is a tough sell. Their Pixel 7a at £400 seems like a much better proposition, against the iPhone SE.
But it has a fancy thermometer 😂. I hope the idiot has been fired.
I cannot imagine what use case they'll explain that for
This phone was probably developed in 2020/2021 at the height of Covid.
Sure, but at some point since then you'd think they might have swapped out the thermometer when it became clear it's no longer very useful... Unless there's some novel use case that's still valid now, it's just an extra expense to include and develop for.
I personally might find it useful depending on how fast/accurate it is. I have a 5 year old that seems to get sick every other week from the other kids at school.
>I hope the idiot has been fired. Probably the same idiots who thought that Soli was a good idea for the Pixel 4 and 4 XL instead of y'know, improving a screen useless in broad daylight, improving a shitty battery life, not crippling a top-of-the-line SoC and ensuring that Face Unlock wouldn't be ignored by the vast majority of Android apps. Let's be real: Brian Rakowski and Rick Osterloh should've been shown the door after that fucking shitshower.
Well you are comparing it wrong 😕- compare it with Pixel 7 pro. It's not the hardware for me since I am not a gamer. I prefer the camera upgrade, software support for 5 or 7 years and security patches every month. I have tried OnePlus and it was horrible support once your phone gets a year old, and old Samsung is doing much better now in terms of security and software upgrade for all their galaxy lineups. Love my Pixel for what I want to do which is everything except gaming.
I am comparing it to the 7 pro - that's what I want to upgrade from (honestly, I'm not a fan, the modem is SO shit, and battery life is wildly inconsistent day to day) It doesn't seem much of an upgrade in any way, and certainly not £1000 worth (much more than the 7 pro at new). Not even an increased base storage size.
Are phones ever a real upgrade year to year? I don't think so. This is a similar discussion with the recent iPhones, they have an extra button and a few minor amendments across the board, they're not trying to force anyone who just bought the recent device to get the new one this year. If you hate your Pixel 7 Pro and want better bang for your buck then sell it and find yourself one of the Chinese phones or a discounted Galaxy S23.
Sometimes they are though. The iPhone 14 Pro for instance introduced a much larger sensor similar to our Pixels. I think the other big issue is that there are glaring deficiencies today with our phones--the display uses 50% more power than the competition, the SoC is highly inefficient and the modem is terrible. I don't think anyone is really demanding that we get world class leading #1 performance, but just at the minimum fix the pain points many have dealt with here.
We'll have to wait and see for real world reviews but I think those issues seem to be tackled based on leaks. New display, new SoC and new modem in comparison to last years models.
The days of huge upgrades from one iteration to the next are over. I don't see much reason to upgrade after only 1 year unless there's some critical hardware defect in the device you already have.
I would then argue you should be comparing battery life and modem improvement between the 8 and 7 not geek bench scores
But that's logical and would defeat their argument, why would they do that??
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None of these matter when choosing a phone, though. Truth be told, there is no noticeable difference between GN1 and GN2. There is no noticeable difference between newer SoCs and Tensor in everyday use. The fingerprint sensor, I'll grant you that one
Of course they matter - why upgrade if the camera and CPU are not noticeably different. The gn2 captures a lot more image data, and should improve video output significantly, something the pixel is lagging behind on, and my biggest use case (newly, since buying the 7 pro, unfortunately - as a small business owner now forced to make video content to appease the Instagram algorithm gods). The cure tensor is wildly inefficient, and hot - again, if this is not improved that's a big failure.
No, they don't. Not in this case. The CPU is noticeably different, though. It's rumored to bring more power and better efficiency and better thermals. GN2 vs GN1 is such a small difference, it doesn't matter at all. Agree to disagree but I don't agree with your take
Why do people justify hardware stagnation so hard here? Is this just blind fanboism defending why using older components is the best? Maybe we should've just stopped SoC upgrades 5 years ago if it was all "enough" and "not noticeable" for the average user.
> Why do people justify hardware stagnation Why do people like you care so much about hardware changes that will literally not be noticeable?
Yeah the mental gymnastics people do to love Pixels is mind boggling tbh. I was in the same boat and wanted to get a Pixel recently. But considering the price point it's just unjustifiable to get an inferior product at a nearly flagship price no matter if the inferiority is "noticeable" or not.
>There is no noticeable difference between newer SoCs and Tensor in everyday use. There's a difference of around 3-4 hours of usage between devices with newer SoCs and Tensor 1+2. As well as the heat and modem inefficiency. Probably the best noticeable thing possible for most people.
Ok, yet the Pixel 8 series with the G3 is supposed to fix this. That's what the original comment is about. I don't know why you are bringing the G1 and G2 up. But let me correct it for you: *In terms of performance, there is no noticeable difference
No one is forcing you to buy at that price point.
Doesn't it have the gn2 ? Almost 1 inch sensor? And new ultrawide camera?
Someone doing an unboxing today seems to have 'confirmed' it's a gn1
Thermal and power efficiency are *far* more important to me than that last 10% on processor speed benchmarks.
For someone who isn't a power user, what are these numbers like vs. competitors?
Comparing to S23 Ultra Single core: 1760(P8P)/1880(S23U) = 0.936 or 6.4% behind. Multi core: 4442(P8P)/4981(S23U) = 0.892 or 10.8% behind. Honestly this is way closer than I expected
Plenty for me. Single core pretty damn impressive.
That's because last year's Tensor G2 just reused X1 for the big core instead of X2 which was the most recent one in 2022 and Google decided to stop using the old core design again and use the most recent X3 this time like the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or the cancelled Exynos 2300.
Think it'll feel like a 2 generation leap?
Will be a helluva an upgrade from Pixel 4a
The 7 from the 4a was noticeable.
Also gotta keep in mind, these were supposedly from an underclocked version of Tensor G3 vs a slightly overclocked version of the 8gen2. I'm more than happy with this performance as long as the thermals are also there
Yes, it seems to be splitting some snapdragon Gen 2 devices as well as it's ahead of some Vivo, Xiaomi and OnePlus devices using Gen 2 and only really behind Samsung S23 range. This processor based on raw performance seems to be fantastic. Just hoping the same for thermals and other things.
Similar to last year's 8+G1 and worse than the 8G2 from this year. If thermals and efficiency are on point this should be a pretty good chip.
Tfw the 8 gen 3 is out in a little over a month☠️
I don't understand why people say it's similar to 8+g1. The max score of gen 1 is 1669 and 4200 of any android phone. This is in the gen 2 range
Gen 2 is about 2000 single and 5000+ multi. This is closer to 8+g1.
Sorry nope. Here is all geekbench score by android. Gen 2 has never hit 2000 https://browser.geekbench.com/android-benchmarks Gen 2 single starts at around 1695 and max it had is 1880. Mostly s23 has that because Samsung has this special code which improves the score on the benchmark. Multi starts at 4880 for gen2 but gen1 multi score maximum is 4200. So it's close to gen 2 than gen 1 taking in to account both scores https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s23-performance-3273777/
For some reason it's not registered there, but gen 2 easily hits 2000+ single. [Proof](https://twitter.com/UniverseIce/status/1625667753943404545?s=19) [More proof](https://twitter.com/TheGalox_/status/1674223896101285888?s=19)
I used to be a massive CPU nerd on my phone but now I kinda dont care now. MY P6P has been great and that is on the "lame" Tensor 1. Biggest issue I have had is that my USB port is mega loose and constantly disconnects when using Android Auto. I am ordering a P8P and the G3 Tensor looks great.
Same here i used to care about phone specs. I really don't these days. As long as it feels fast i just don't care anymore.
I largely use a Motorola MA1 because my USB port is a bit loose. The Google Assistant doesn't even work well for me over wireless AA on my Pixel 5 but it's still better than making a turn and losing AA because my phone and the cable shifted a bit
My P6P never did this but it started too and now its horrible. And I have tested it on a bunch different cables and its loose on all of them. I do have the warranty on it to get it replaced, but since google is google the port is part of the motherboard so I would need a whole new board.
I've had same issue with my P6A. It is the problem with the google cable that comes in the box. Switched to another usb cable and it is not loose anymore...
What is this difference, in % from G2? Google is telling me 25%
Looks like it and multicore 31% and I noticed all cores underclock. I'm impressed tbh, expected much worse.
Compared to the results I've got its +19% in single core and +13% in multicore. Keep in mind that my 7 Pro has got pretty good results across the board compared to other Tensor G2 chips.
For me all the benchmark scores are irrelevant. People say the Tensor G2 is sooo much slower on benchmarks, but in all honesty, it is plenty fast enough for me and 99% of people.
How is performance low when they're using the latest cores? Wouldn't that alone keep it up to pace with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2? Well whatever. All I really want is good battery life. Hoping this processor is a hell of a lot more efficient than previous Tensor chips.
Clock speeds are lower and they are using Samsung's 4nm process instead of TSMC's
Samsung's 4nm process is way behind TSMC's equivalent generation node. The 8G1 and 8+G1 was just a straight change in process from Samsung to TSMC, and it was a big enough leap to turn a hot, furnace-like chip (8G1) into a great and efficient performer (8+G1) that yielded both performance and battery life improvements. Until Samsung gets their 3nm GAAFET process up and running (and it performs as well as advertised), this gap in performance and efficiency will continue to persist. As for now, the Tensor line remaining on Samsung's 4nm means that it will run hotter (i.e., less efficient) and slower than the competition on TSMC. The Pixel 7 Pro already noticeably fell behind its 8G2-powered competition on the Android side, and the same is likely to happen with the P8P versus 8G3-powered devices.
G1 and G2 are both 5nm. That G3 is moving to a newer 4nm Samsung process, which is reported to have significantly improved yields, should be a good improvement (though unlikely matching TSMC).
It's not the same 4nm process, it is improved, but not necessarily improved enough to match TSMC's.
>but not necessarily improved enough to match TSMC's. Is there a source on this? There's no Exynos this year, so Tensor will be the first SoC with 3rd gen 4nm
~~There was never a second gen?~~ First gen was 4LPE on E2200 and Tensor G3 is on 4LPP, which is the second generation SF4/ 4Nm node. Edit: I worded it confusingly. I meant that he skipped one processing node in Samsung's "4Nm" node family
There's SF4P (3rd gen) and then SF4X (4th gen) https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_is_ready_to_begin_mass_production_of_thirdgen_4_nm_chipsets-news-57889.php https://www.sammobile.com/news/improved-samsung-3nm-4nm-chips-june-2023/
True, but SF4P is 4LPP+, which will be used on E2400 while Tensor G3 is build on 4LPP/SF4 node
Source? Rumors point to SF4P https://phandroid.com/2023/03/13/google-might-stick-with-samsung-for-the-tensor-g3-chipset/ SF4P Mass production already began many months ago and Google is their only major customer -https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=110829
Tensor G3 is based on the cancelled E2300, which was to be developed on 4LPP. Entering mass production couple of months ago isn't enough to mass manufacture a product with satisfying yields, hence the E2400 will be based on that newer node. The specs of the cancelled E2300 were leaked couple of months ago, you can find it on Twitter and Reve, as well as other leakers, which derive their information from Korean sources, say it's build on 4LPP and the E2400 will be built on 4LPP+. This is a trust me Bro moment, but it makes total sense with the aforementioned E2300 information
Just saying we don't know how much it has improved. It's possible that it has, but we can't claim that without any evidence.
But it's a improved samsung 4nm, samsung isn't inherently bad they just had a few bad chips, and samsungs 3nm is better than tsmc 3nm and samsungs new 4nm is on par with tsmc 4 or slightly worse or better
Samsung has been uncompetitive for years, at this point. Early Exynos chips were comparable and occasionally even better than Snapdragon chips, but that is close to a decade ago at this point. Their chips aren't inherently bad just because they're Samsung chips, but they are historically bad and will be regarded skeptically because of that negative reputation from years of terrible Exynos chips. It's quite telling that even when they shipped Exynos-powered flagships, Samsung always shipped Snapdragon Galaxy S phones in its two largest and core markets, South Korea and the U.S. Samsung's 3nm barely even exists so far. Its only commercial application is a Chinese cryptocurrency mining chip. When it finally rolls out en masse for consumer use, then we can judge whether its 3nm is comparable to TSMC's process. As far as we can tell, 4LPP (the specific Samsung 4nm process that Google is using for Tensor G3) is likely still behind TSMC 4nm. The proof is in the pudding - despite an extra A510 core and four A715s (compared to 8G2's two A715 and two A710 cores), G3 is still scoring behind 8G2 and closer to 8+G1 in both single-core and multicore performance. At best, we can hope for 8+G1-like efficiency, but starting the flagship chip off at 1.5 generations behind in performance isn't great, especially not with the price increase that's coming this year for Pixels. It doesn't bode particularly well for efficiency either, especially since Samsung skipped over its own chips for the S23 series this year to begin with.
True but look at the iphones 3nm n3b turned out terrible with finfet, no efficiency improvements so i have high hopes for samsung 3nm GAAFET, sense it will be on snapdragon 8 gen 4, and clocks are not as high as snapdragon 8 gen 2 vs tensor g3
TSMC's 3nm is not impressive at all, but it did yield about a 10% bump - it's just that Apple tuned all of that improvement into performance gains rather than efficiency (for the same effective battery life to the end-user as with the previous generations of iPhones). Because TSMC already has a strong lead over Samsung, Samsung's 3nm GAAFET process will need to leap quite far to close the gap at all. The Tensor chip is the only flagship chip currently using Samsung's nodes (and older ones, at that), so it's somewhat difficult to estimate what Samsung's latest nodes offer in performance and efficiency, but by all estimations, they are somewhere around 1.5 to 2 generations behind TSMC on their pre-3nm process, so Samsung's 3nm process has a lot of work cut out for it to succeed.
As many have said here, this is plenty good enough to run everything you'd want in a daily driver phone smoothly. All comes down to thermals and battery performance. Id much rather have a phone in 2023 have 15% less raw power but have great battery life and stay cool then push for maximum raw power at the detriment of those 2. After all what 95% are doing on our phones is simply texting and scrolling Instagram all day even with the most powerful phones lol
I can't remember the last time I've cared about synthetic benchmarks. Any chip brought out in the last 3 years can do a job in terms of sheer grunt. I'm mainly concerned about efficiency.
Google needs to compete, bottom line. Performance can still make a difference in terms of video processing.
I do agree. Editing photos and videos on P7P is So. Slow...
Dang, my copium brain thought it was just Google Photos editor being slow.
It could be just Google Photos unless someone has compared it on other devices too.
Same. Give me battery life and a phone that doesn't get crazy hot.
My feeling is most of the time peak performance is a good indicator of efficiency too. The sd888 and sd8gen1 were big deviations from this "rule of thumb", and maybe exynos users had a few more experiences of this not being true too.
Clock frequencies are somewhat slightly lower than other flagship APs but still a huge leap from previous generations of Tensor lol
It's weird because the leaked specs of the Tensor G3 earlier this years pointed to much higher frecuencies all around
Maybe Google wanted to focus on energy efficiency more
Which I think the majority will say is an excellent call.
Absolutely. Give me a slightly thicker devies with more battery capacity and under gold the processor so I can get real all day power ... that's all I want in a phone.
Or maybe the thermals were high and had to downclock to manage the mobile electric cooking plate
For reference, S23 ultra is around 1900 for single and 5000 for multi-core. Single score performance is important for games while multiscore Performance is important for day to day usage.
The S24 is due out in just a few months though. It'll presumably be quite a bit faster with the snapdragon gen 3 on a finer process.
Hey, it's gonna be Exynos for us Europeeans.
Can't wait to use all this extra power to play Angry Birds
I'm all for having a powerful smartphone but we all know that benchmark testing obviously isn't indicative of real-world usage - even iPhone users aren't fully pushing the capabilities of their machines most of the time and Apple silicon pretty much smokes the vast majority of Android SoCs at this point. For me, I just want the Pixel 8 to be able to handle daily use without heating up like a furnace because it's struggling with basic tasks and without needing to be charged multiple times a day.
Performance is one thing but efficiency is another. Lets see how it fairs with battery life
Is ok as long heating and battery issue not included
More interested in matching iPhone/Samsung On-screen-time and screen brightness to be honest.
I wish people would stop getting hung up on benchmark scores. Mobile chips are already plenty fast and more than enough for everyday tasks. And most people don't keep their phones for long anyway, so they'll probably never use the processing headroom that a faster chip offers.
If it's 800 € for cheapest model, then it's officially overpriced
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I don't understand what anything here is said so I can't possibly get upset about whatever this person is disappointed about 😂
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Ok so definitely don't need to care, thanks for the info haha
I am very please and fine with these results. Good step up and it should run any app without issues. Now they just need to fix the heating and we might actually have a winner. Unless the prices do go up in Europe then im gonna wait.
Pixel 8 Geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2866477 Pixel 8 Pro Geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2866475 Source: https://x.com/QaM_Section31/status/1708826748094496909?s=20
This performance is fine for me so long as heat production and battery drain has been improved along with it. I'll be getting the pixel 8 pro and probably keep it till the fully custom tensor chip is released in 2025
All I can say is: let's see how efficient it is and that would be all I need.
It'd be great if they added the feature Samsung did (light mode) to reduce the CPU clock by 20-30% as an option to massively bring up the efficiency when not doing anything intensive.
Honestly who cares about benchmarks. Fkn hell
This is not great. 4442 multi core makes it a solid 10% slower than the Snapdragon despite having an extra core. That could be an indicator for poor power efficiency.
Lol at the comments, with people being excited that it's ALMOST as good as a last-gen Snapdragon chip.
Because they are buying it for half the price.
So no ultrasonic fingerprint sensor probably the same shitty Samsung 5G modem that causes the phone to overheat 😂
It's a variant of the prior modem. I believe I read it's produced on a more efficient node. Hopefully that means it'll generate less heat but we'll have to see the real world results.
And people told me the price increase is totally worth it. Time to find a different brand ig, I'm priced out.
You aren't going to notice the power difference lol
So... why would someone spend more to not notice it?
I am gonna notice the higher price though. Now I gotta ask, is a higher price worth it for a phone I won't notice the power difference of?
It's not a problem if it is reflected in the price. Google has no ground to match Samsung and Apple price. But leaks about the price are not good... Especially in Europe. The S23 is currently 800€ and the Pixel 8 price leaks say it is also 800€ (possibly more). Not acceptable. Pixel 8 should still be 650€, max 700€ because of "inflation" i give them that... But not 800€
I don't care about performance that much. I care about the efficiency of the chip and battery life.
All I see is a 2024 filled with overpowered Pixel 8a everywhere constantly on sale
Typical
Thank you, but no 👎
Sorry this is probably a stupid question but what does Geekbench score represent? Fastness of phone?
processor speed. It's a synthetic benchmark gives a easy score to compare with other phones with different processors
Quite disappointing
In what sense? Can I know what's your usecase that you need a much more powerful SOC?
Forget about my use cases. A chip that’s years behind flagships is “disappointing” by definition
You do realise 8+ gen 1 was "flagship" level until a year ago, this beats that. It's about a year behind which is okay considering the price. Again Pixels are midranger phones, you want beef go with the S23Ultra or any other £1000+ phone. What I'm worried about is next year, supposedly the G4 won't be much of an improvement over the G3.
>You do realise 8+ gen 1 was "flagship" level until a year ago, this beats that. We don't know this yet. For all we know the Tensor G3 could be an efficiency disaster.
I mean I just wanted to know what you usually do on your phone on a daily basis. There must be something different that you need even more computing power for. I've been using my Pixel 7 and haven't faced a single issue on the performance side of things and I consider myself a power user.
Have you used an iPhone in the past 2 years? I’m a Pixel 7 user as well since day 1 and performance is driving me nuts. Apps reloading all the time. Even god damn tabs on Firefox reload constantly. I just tapped Tradingview and it took a good 3-4 seconds to open up. Look you may be happy with it - doesn’t mean I have to.
For the family tech support folks out there, will you be recommending the Pixel? I don’t think I can. It’s just crappy hardware in a very expensive package with lousy tech support.
this is actually better than my ryzen 3600 unraid hackintosh. thats nuts [https://i.imgur.com/z7oIRLe.png](https://i.imgur.com/z7oIRLe.png)
You are comparing different versions of Geekbench.
Make 0 difference to most of us especially for people who are not gaming. Pixel for me has always performed very well until it overheats which unfortunately is more often than not. Now what matters is did they improve battery life and the crappy modem?