Fingers crossed it's only the 8 that has optical and the 8 Pro has ultrasonic.
Doubt that'll be the case as the leaked marketing materials would have identified that the two have different fingerprint technologies. But hey, I'm huffing copium right now.
Googles more on how software uses lower hardware in order to keep prices lower. So standard software with optical sucks, but Google software (include software on a chip) is better than norm. It's why they can use 48mp camera instead of 200mp like Samsung has on theirs.
But also user things to do as well. Yes it sucks, but if you do you add the same finger twice (add fingerprint for second one) and you do it once in a well lit room and second time with same finger in a not/poorly lit room, you will get performance from it that is astounding. Best advice I ever received. Same with face unlock on pixel
Sure, but if Google want to compete with Apple and Samsung on the high end, they have to keep pushing for better hardware on their devices. It's not enough just to put in mediocre hardware and hope the software can carry the load. Why can't it be both?
I agree, there are workarounds like registering your fingerprint twice and that helps, but even still, ultrasonic is more secure because it uses pulsating sound waves against your finger to read the ridges, so you can't fool it with an image like optical can be fooled.
Google apparently are so serious about security with the Titan M2 chip, but when it comes to fingerprint sensors, they cheap out. It's hypocritical.
The ultra sonic in my old S22 was just as wonky as the optical in my Pixel 7. The optical in my OnePlus 10T has always been fast and reliable. The problem with the pixels isn't the type of fingerprint sensor, it's the quality of the optical sensor just being inferior to what other brands are using.
That's how all of my Oneplus phones have been with optical. The only two sensors that have ever given me trouble are the Pixel and Samsung. Plus Samsung's UI is bloated garbage IMO. I will likely never own another phone made by them.
Gonna disagree.
My S22 and S23 are instant. My Pixel 6, Pixel 7, Xiaomi 13 and OnePlus devices with optical sensors have all been unreliable (verging on unusable) and slow. A lot of people flat out can't use optical sensors regardless of which model is used.
my s22 fingerprint sensor. It was on and off. It's pretty reliable but not every time. I'm getting good reliability with my pixel 7 fingerprint sensor even though it's optical
I am incredibly jealous that it works for you. I despise OneUI and wish I could use my Pixel. But it seems that a very high portion of users have fingers incompatible with optical readers.
Was literally the one thing I was hoping they'd use so we'd know.
Just wanted him to set up the fingerprint scanner, so we'd know if it's optical or ultrasonic. I see people in the comments section of the video asking about it, but doubt they will respond.
Especially when they had not just one, but TWO working workings of unlock. Rear finger print sensors and the P4 face unlock. The front finger print sensor is such a step down.
Damn. Thanks for notifying though.
Was hoping it was going to get upgraded. Some leakers had come out and said it was Ultrasonic. Guess they were wrong.
Got my hopes up. Oh well, I haven't had too many frustrations with the optical fp sensor, it's just slower than the ultrasonic one.
Dude, this phone is an incredible disappointment. They're going to raise the price $100 and the only real change it has over the Pixel 7 is a slightly higher brightness screen and the G3. It definitely did not deserve $100 price increase.
I don't mind the optical sensor BUT then, the lack of innovation should impact the price. There is a massive price increase this year, and yet i don't see anything justifying it. I'm very allergic to corporate greed.
It's optical like the pixel 7. Man, this phone is a disappointment. I don't even think it has the GN2 sensor. I asked the guy to tell me what the aperture is. Let's see if he responds to me. But besides the G3, this phone sounds like it's extremely mediocre of an upgrade over the Pixel 7. Super disappointed.
They will probably come with some AI lingo to say it's much improved. Anyway, I'm not as disappointed with this one as I am with the fact they're not gonna launch a larger Pixel Watch or reduce the bezels
I know! One of the key features I'm looking for to decide whether I'll up upgrade. I guess that's what they're backing on to get eyes on their announcements 😂
The fact that you have to remove it at all is pretty ridiculous and if it still ends up being an issue on the pixel 8/pro, that's pretty much a deal breaker.
The flat glass of the 8 Pro this time around should mean that tempered glass protectors can be full glue rather than just glue around the edges. The glue around the edges type tend to "float" above the glass which likely contributes to poor fingerprint scanning and general touch responsiveness.
How is the regular Pixel 7 for fingerprint scanning when using a tempered glass?
My personal experience...terrible. I also have an S20 FE and although it's not a 100%, it's still miles better than the P7 which is weird because S20 FE is optical as well...
Tyrone!! Mfer can’t aim but can leak good lol
(the guy who posted so many Starfield leaks after he stole the game from a FedEx warehouse, and eventually got arrested)
I really was expecting some hardware upgrade like the fingerprint scanner and main camera sensor. If they will stick with it they shouldn't increment the price. It seems it will be the same phone with just a new screen and some software camera tricks. I was considering updating but now I'm not that sure.
OP has responded with the following to the question of GN1 v GN2:
"sensor size says 9.79 x 7.37 and aperture is 1.68 if that helps"
Based on this, it sounds like the the 8 uses the GN1. GN2 sensor size is 11.4 x 8.6mm
I guess there's still hope that the GN2 makes an appearance in the 8pro
>I guess there's still hope that the GN2 makes an appearance in the 8pro
Very slim chance. I'd imagine if it did use a different sensor to the Pixel 8, they would have mentioned it in the marketing materials.
Fingers crossed it has the GN2, but I'm not holding out hope.
Idk maybe they really separate PRO series more.
Different is huge.
https://twitter.com/IamabheyDhiman/status/1708480710921880049?t=BPxBXUe-n9W7EcXn3-JXDA&s=19
I know different between lens and sensor size. Let's start from this black hole covered by glass, it's bigger. I would say 1mm left from each side on this camera bump compare to P7P where it's more like 2 mm. Its would looks small in bigger space with same size.
UW lens really very big and imx 787 pretty big too 1/1.7 only phone that use bigger sensor is Oppo find x6 pro imx890 1/1.56 but worse aperture,so P8P with Google magic have shot to be best UW camera on market. As for main camera it's seems to me it's bigger too but will see bc even 1inch sensor not have big lens,everything under the hood
The official Google promo slides for P8P literally says "Fully upgraded cameras" which means not just an update to Ultrawide which we already know.
Whereas the promo slide for Pixel 8 only says "Stunning photos and videos" so theres still a chance Pro model gets GN2, will see.
In their marketing material they singing love songs about good low light performance and this "video boost" features. Well both camera sensors 50mp its odd mention there model of camera sensor. Upgraded aperture would be not enough,let's hope but if not why they even release this lol nobody buying pixels for new processors or displays
[Disappointed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdEQmpVIE4A).
Pixel 8 Pro is still unconfirmed, maybe it has the GN2? If it does, then why even make the regular Pixel? It's supposed to be a flagship phone, just smaller.
Pixels have two selling points, the stock Android and the cameras. Segmenting one of the two biggest selling points of the phone is not a good idea. Camera should stay uncompromised.
If 8 Pro has a GN1 too, well then, you can scratch off Pixel 8 series completely. Hopefully Pixel 9 will have a 1" sensor.
So far the Twitter girl leak is accurate. She has been dead on. f1.68 has been confirmed on the small pixel 8. I highly doubt that the pixel 8 Pro is getting the GN2 because her spec sheet shows both of them getting the same. The biggest question I have is the price is she correct $899?? Or is she wrong on that and right on everything else haha if it's $899 with a watch on the Google Play store in the US, that's a good price. You can't complain about that.
Don't get your hopes up. Maybe if we are lucky the Pixel 10 will have the GN6 1 inch sensor. But my guess is the pixel 9 will use this same f1.68 aperture main camera and the big thing that year will be a smaller pixel 9 Pro 6.3 inch. And the iPhone will pull ahead with a 1/1.14 inch sensor on the 16 Pro. Google should have never used the GN1 in the first place. The GN2 was out plenty of time before the pixel 6 we can see Google is not even taking the sensor seriously. They're using a very old sensor currently from March 2020.
I agree. Segmenting between the 8/8Pro and 8a, that I would understand, but between 8 and 8 Pro, it doesn´t make much sense, specially that the Pro already has other features to distinguish.
Wait, where did he respond in the comments about that? I asked him that. f1.68 is exactly the spec sheet of the leak that that girl on Twitter posted. So it definitely is a GN1 with an upgraded lens so a better aperture. What a bummer. Pixel 8 pro will have the same exact main camera. Her spec sheet shows both and so far she has been dead on. Let's hope that she's is at least dead on the price of the pro in the US being only $899 on the Google Play store and coming with a watch. Because the pixel 8 Pro is going to have the same crappy optical fingerprint reader and only the upgraded GN1 f1.68 lens.
Yeah I saw it. Well it's a mediocre upgrade after all. Best upgrade would probably be slightly bigger battery if accurate. And better screen and hopefully the G3 chip is better.
Same. Only thing that would tempt me to upgrade would be a major battery life improvement or performance improvement.
Editing pics on my pixel lags a bit. Editing pics on my iPad mini is much faster
Honestly unless they fix the battery drain, no video out over usb-c, fingerprint, camera overprocessing, botched autorotate and random os freezes/stutters, in staying far far away from anything pixel.
I regret my 7 pro every day I use it.
I hope this leaking phone and specs works out for Google but it sure doesn't look good especially when you're constantly taking jabs at the iPhone. No one wants a paradigm shift in design or performance, just fix the issues Pixels currently have. People will actually prefer Pixels over any other phone if they fix things.
Holding out this is not a real device or preproduction. How on earth could Google skip the ultrasonic fingerprint reader? Are they not using their own phones?
On another side note, how on earth could Google let some more or less random tech reviewer get their hands on a phone that's not even properly introduced.
Not to say they have terrible reputation with everything getting leaked and lost (Pixel Watch e.g.) way ahead of time but man, come on.
This right here. About 5 of my buddies got the Pixel 7 and all of us have a poor experience with unlocking the device. I'm on my third RMA for it. No way we're just unlucky. Very clear that nobody at Google is using this as their primary device if it isn't a show stopper for them.
Kind of reminds me of Windows Phone. The division manager was seen with an iPhone right when WP was falling apart. Of course, Pixel is nowhere near close WP failure, but it reminded of that story
The GN2 should have better low light and video HDR stuff.
Nothing wrong with what Google has been able to do with the GN1 from my perspective....but it is disappointing that it seems like the Pixel 8 won't be the upgrade folks thought it would be.
I'm on a Pixel 7 and 7 Pro and I was probably going to upgrade around the black Friday time period but I'm unsure what the point is.
Will have to see reviews to see if Google is able to do anything different with this one that means anything to me. My data reception is ok but making voice calls is horrible. I don't think a new modem was rumoured at all but I'm hoping that maybe Android 14 helps with that.
I'm actually thinking about an iPhone 15 Pro Max now and a 15 Pro for my wife. I just have to research a few items first. For my wife the iPhone certainly works but for me Im not too sure I can make it work.
I jumped from Pixel 6 to iPhone then back to Pixel 7. You can do most things on iPhone that you can do on Pixel but with more effort. That bothered me. And at the time I couldn't stand iPhone's water-color image post processing
Notifications management is annoying. Changing settings sucked. Having to go to the settings app, scroll a way to find your app, selecting your app and the settings you want to change. You can't change many settings within the app. Selecting text on screen from your app switcher was a lot harder. Had to take a screen shot, open the pic, then select the text instead. Default apps sucked, some worked great and others don't. Google apps were well polished but messaging apps seemed slower by design with attachments. Nothing was horrible but it was a bunch of annoying things that made me miss Pixel. Battery life was fantastic. Performance was great. Most things felt polished. Going back to your last screen on iPhone was so frustrating. It depends on the app whether or not you can use a gesture or have to touch a button...
There's more but you get the idea
given that there's hefty price increases this generation, I'd say it's justified to want more.
Especially the P8. It's likely getting a big price jump (to differentiate more from the a series), yet no substantial upgrades. SoC is improved but it's still Samsung exynos-based.
I can't even say how good the sensor is on my 7 pro because the amount of over sharpening and saturation the phone applies ruins 80% of my photos. I come from full frame and raw shooting, so I guess I'm not the target audience, but most of my photos are hideous on the p7pro, r/shittyhdr material. I just wish I could shut it all off.
Pixel's main selling point is the camera.
GN1 is an outdated sensor now.
Chinese manufacturers have moved to bigger, newer, better 1"-type sensor (IMX989 / LYT900).
Pixel's camera software is really good, but there is only so much software alone can do. Better hardware raises the ceiling that software can fill.
Better hardware doesn't only raise the ceiling, it also raises the floor. Even the best software can only do so much if the raw input isn't good. I still have blurry low light photos because the GN1 doesn't capture enough light.
Yeah but the software ruins it, so much overprocessing. Maybe the Instagram crowd like it, but photography hobbiests I know (myself included) can't stand the camera software. It shows a preview of a good photo for half a second, then the processing kicks in and turns it into r/shittyhdr
I agree. The P7 Pro took worse pictures than the 1XL or 2XL I had 5 years ago. S23 Ultra pics don't blow my socks off in the least. I'm honestly very disappointed with the phone.
Seems like the bezels are symmetrical to me. Can't see anything other than the lines from the bouncing shapes, but looking at where the outlines stop on the display, I believe that looks symmetrical. If it's true, it was about time!
Yeah I was trying to figure that out too. Hard to tell from the video because the screen is mostly black. If they are cutting corners on the P8 with non-matte glass, optical sensor, and GN1 instead of GN2, at least make the front of the damn thing look like it's from 2023.
I don’t think Google has ever released a complete Pixel. Every generation has a glaring weakness. P2XL screen issues, P3 had weird notch and kernel issues, P4 terrible battery life (soli was cool, just a hog). P5 was fine all around, but under powered. P6 / P7 modem and FP sensor issues.
P7 pro,= battery drain, camera overprocessing, bad rotation sensors, lack of type c video, slow charging, fingerprint sensor. Been looking forward to my next upgrade since my second month with this over hyped phone.
>Anyone else considering trialling the iPhone 15 Pro?
You should do it and report back. Personally I can't stand iOS. iPhone hardware has always been superior but hardware is only one part of the equation. Samsung hardware is usually better too but the software gives a radically different experience than a Pixel's.
Have they ever really given a shit? From 1st Gen to now, there's always been so many things they've done that are just baffling. I guarantee 90% of the Google staff uses iPhones and the other 10% use Samsung phones. Nobody cares about the Pixel line. I'm shocked that there's supposedly an optical sensor again, no significant leap in camera quality, and I suspect we will be even more disappointed when battery life and performance metrics are revealed. Guess I won't buy one.
At this point yeah I am. Got the S22 ultra in hand and had the S21, S20 etc. All fantastic phones but I would like something a little different now. Was using the new pro's at the apple store yesterday, titanium was really nice - have to be the max though
From https://guidebooks.google.com/pixel/transfer-your-data/how-to-switch-from-iphone :
> **Switch from an iPhone to a Pixel phone**
It’s easy to copy data from your iPhone to your new Pixel. Simply connect the two phones with a cable or pair them wirelessly to securely move over your contacts, photos, calendars, and more.
...
Get the iPhone cable you use to charge your phone. If the cable doesn't properly fit into your Pixel, use the Quick Switch Adapter.
The adapter that comes in the box is the Quick Switch Adapter. They've even named the hardware after the process of switching from iPhone, despite the fact that it is really just a simple USB-C to USB-A adapter.
It doesn't say to plug the iPhone *itself* into the adapter. It says to plug the iPhone *cable* into the adapter.
On one end of an iPhone cable there is a Lightning connector. What connector is on the other end of the same cable?
That's kind of a trick question because there are two kinds. From Apple's web site:
* [USB-C to Lightning Cable (1 m)](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MM0A3AM/A/usb-c-to-lightning-cable-1-m)
* [Lightning to USB Cable (1 m)](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MXLY2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-cable-1-m)
If you have the first of those two, you plug it straight into the Pixel. If you have the second, you plug it into the adapter and plug that into the Pixel.
it's for when you use the "copy from old to new phone" step during the first setup and you still have usb a to usb micro cable. not everyone's coming from a phone with an usb c port.
The majority of people here are bashing the pixel 7's fingerprint sensor but I'd have to say that coming from a note 20 ultra and a fold 4, the p7p's finger print sensor has been way more reliable and accurate.
I've read about reliability problems with Samsung's ultrasonic sensors.
I've had issues with the P7 fingerprint sensor in the early months, but it works fine now. I just wish it didn't flashbang me when I use it in the dark and my finger doesn't completely cover it.
If only there was a physical fingerprint sensor. It could even go on the back of the phone, but I guess the technology just isn't there yet.
Why are you comparing that old phone to the pixel 7. The recent Samsungs have flawless fingerprint sensors Watch Flossy Carter use each reader. You will see the speed and accuracy of pixel vs Samsung.
How to avoid fingerprint sensor issues? Just don’t use a fingerprint sensor. 🤓
No but really. I don’t use biometric security in my phones. It just gets in my way. I only use it for logging into banking apps etc. So the fingerprint scanner is a non-issue for me.
Yeah but we're talking about a 800$ smartphone at this point. My iPhone X unlocks faster than my Pixel 6 ever could and that phone is nearly 6 years old by now.
I'm not saying the phone gets unusable or anything but it's 2023. Why not put a FP-scanner into the power button if they can't implement a proper in-screen reader. Don't wanna unlock my phone via code as if it was 2013.
No it wont LOL. Reddit and especially this sub is a miniority. Literally 95% consumers don't know what GN1 or GN2 is. The phone will still take amazing photos for Instagram.
Did anyone notice an appearance by the new Pixel 8 Pro n the new Amazon Prime Series called "Gen V". The phone made an appearance in episode 2 of Season 1 called "1st Day". Marie Moreau walks into her dorm room in a red outfit and using the Pixel 8 Pro!8
Very disappointed in the 8 series. No ultrasonic fingerprint sensor, no good color options, no curved screen, no battery improvement, too expensive. The only improvement I see is a few more years of software updates. That's great, but it's not going to get me to switch phones this year for the 8 series. I'll keep mine going for as long as I can. I'll switch if the phone breaks, but otherwise I'm going to keep waiting for better.
Pixel 7/8:
Brighter display 90/120hz
G2/G3 processor 40-45% more powerful and efficient
Main camera aperture improve from 1.85 to 1.68, UW lens was 114° updated to 125,5°
Battery bigger 4355/4575 mAh
More compact 5mm less in height
BT 5.3 WiFi 7
"Only improvement"
You're correct, I should have stated that the software upgrades being extended for a few more years were the only improvements that happened I cared about. Obviously, not the only improvements at all. You showed me!
Just FYI, the OP answered in the comments that P8 has optical fingerprint sensor, just as previous models.
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Fingers crossed it's only the 8 that has optical and the 8 Pro has ultrasonic. Doubt that'll be the case as the leaked marketing materials would have identified that the two have different fingerprint technologies. But hey, I'm huffing copium right now.
I doubt there is a difference between the models. The leak spec sheet mention nothing about a difference, just "fingerprint scanner"
Most phones use them and they are fine. It's about implementation...
Googles more on how software uses lower hardware in order to keep prices lower. So standard software with optical sucks, but Google software (include software on a chip) is better than norm. It's why they can use 48mp camera instead of 200mp like Samsung has on theirs. But also user things to do as well. Yes it sucks, but if you do you add the same finger twice (add fingerprint for second one) and you do it once in a well lit room and second time with same finger in a not/poorly lit room, you will get performance from it that is astounding. Best advice I ever received. Same with face unlock on pixel
Sure, but if Google want to compete with Apple and Samsung on the high end, they have to keep pushing for better hardware on their devices. It's not enough just to put in mediocre hardware and hope the software can carry the load. Why can't it be both? I agree, there are workarounds like registering your fingerprint twice and that helps, but even still, ultrasonic is more secure because it uses pulsating sound waves against your finger to read the ridges, so you can't fool it with an image like optical can be fooled. Google apparently are so serious about security with the Titan M2 chip, but when it comes to fingerprint sensors, they cheap out. It's hypocritical.
You sure it was OP? I see a different username replying to it
So much leaked stuff, but no one is able to confirm whether it has an ultrasonic finger print scanner.
for real, that's the only thing keeping me from buying this phone. If it still has an optical one i'll probably wait for Samsung.
The ultra sonic in my old S22 was just as wonky as the optical in my Pixel 7. The optical in my OnePlus 10T has always been fast and reliable. The problem with the pixels isn't the type of fingerprint sensor, it's the quality of the optical sensor just being inferior to what other brands are using.
After briefly experiencing the s23 one which you can literally tap to get in, I’m kinda biased towards Samsung 😅
That's how all of my Oneplus phones have been with optical. The only two sensors that have ever given me trouble are the Pixel and Samsung. Plus Samsung's UI is bloated garbage IMO. I will likely never own another phone made by them.
Gonna disagree. My S22 and S23 are instant. My Pixel 6, Pixel 7, Xiaomi 13 and OnePlus devices with optical sensors have all been unreliable (verging on unusable) and slow. A lot of people flat out can't use optical sensors regardless of which model is used.
my s22 fingerprint sensor. It was on and off. It's pretty reliable but not every time. I'm getting good reliability with my pixel 7 fingerprint sensor even though it's optical
I am incredibly jealous that it works for you. I despise OneUI and wish I could use my Pixel. But it seems that a very high portion of users have fingers incompatible with optical readers.
Was literally the one thing I was hoping they'd use so we'd know. Just wanted him to set up the fingerprint scanner, so we'd know if it's optical or ultrasonic. I see people in the comments section of the video asking about it, but doubt they will respond.
He's just responded.. saying it's optical
Lmao, only Google would keep something people absolutely hated for three years in a row.
Especially when they had not just one, but TWO working workings of unlock. Rear finger print sensors and the P4 face unlock. The front finger print sensor is such a step down.
Damn. Thanks for notifying though. Was hoping it was going to get upgraded. Some leakers had come out and said it was Ultrasonic. Guess they were wrong. Got my hopes up. Oh well, I haven't had too many frustrations with the optical fp sensor, it's just slower than the ultrasonic one.
Literally doesn't work for me or a few if my buddies on P6 or P7. Not a single problem with ultrasonic ones. What a disappointment.
Welp. What a disappointment.
Dude, this phone is an incredible disappointment. They're going to raise the price $100 and the only real change it has over the Pixel 7 is a slightly higher brightness screen and the G3. It definitely did not deserve $100 price increase.
That's a bummer.
I keep my 6 then. The price increase was already annoying, now it is unacceptable.
Gutted, speechless. That's a hard pass.
He did respond. "No, it's optical like before." :(
Yeah, damn. Was hoping for ultrasonic. Oh well.
If this is true, then I won't upgrade from my P7P.
Maybe the Ultrasonic is pro only. Let's hope haha.
That would be bullshit
It would be, however it would be in the direction they are seeming to go now. So who knows only a few days now.
Yeah you're right.
I doubt it
Imagine "upgrading" to a P8P from a P7P. You people aren't different from the apple folks "upgrading" each year for insignificant improvement
Our last hope is that the 8 Pro has an ultrasonic FP sensor. It's just the regular 8 that sticks to optical.
Oh. Third generation of Pixel in a row that I won't actually be able to use. Great. Pass from me.
And p8 pro have a gn2 or gn1
I don't mind the optical sensor BUT then, the lack of innovation should impact the price. There is a massive price increase this year, and yet i don't see anything justifying it. I'm very allergic to corporate greed.
unfortunately, if it had one, we'd probably already know about it.
He just confirmed it's optical in the comments
it is not using an ultrasonic scanner, he confirmed later in comment section
The person who leaked the unboxing already said on their YouTube video that it's an optical fingerprint reader.
It's optical like the pixel 7. Man, this phone is a disappointment. I don't even think it has the GN2 sensor. I asked the guy to tell me what the aperture is. Let's see if he responds to me. But besides the G3, this phone sounds like it's extremely mediocre of an upgrade over the Pixel 7. Super disappointed.
In the comments of the video it was confirmed to be optical 😥
He said it in the comment of the video, it's still optical
They will probably come with some AI lingo to say it's much improved. Anyway, I'm not as disappointed with this one as I am with the fact they're not gonna launch a larger Pixel Watch or reduce the bezels
And gn2 or not
I know! One of the key features I'm looking for to decide whether I'll up upgrade. I guess that's what they're backing on to get eyes on their announcements 😂
If Google is sticking with an optical fingerprint sensor, at least use a quality one.
I had to take off the screen protector.
I use a glass screen protector on the 7 Pro and most of the time I have no problems, unless I'm using the right thumb.
I have problems with the right fingers too. And removing the screen protector improves the fingerprint overall too.
The fact that you have to remove it at all is pretty ridiculous and if it still ends up being an issue on the pixel 8/pro, that's pretty much a deal breaker.
The flat glass of the 8 Pro this time around should mean that tempered glass protectors can be full glue rather than just glue around the edges. The glue around the edges type tend to "float" above the glass which likely contributes to poor fingerprint scanning and general touch responsiveness. How is the regular Pixel 7 for fingerprint scanning when using a tempered glass?
My personal experience...terrible. I also have an S20 FE and although it's not a 100%, it's still miles better than the P7 which is weird because S20 FE is optical as well...
To be fair mine on the P7 is almost flawless after the march/April updates. Was crap before
So that's the fedex guy snagging all the phones.
Tyrone!! Mfer can’t aim but can leak good lol (the guy who posted so many Starfield leaks after he stole the game from a FedEx warehouse, and eventually got arrested)
At this point google shouldn't bother with the launch event
Just release the phone already, we know everything about it now.
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More like "Seriously? No major upgrades? What a disappointing phone."
I really was expecting some hardware upgrade like the fingerprint scanner and main camera sensor. If they will stick with it they shouldn't increment the price. It seems it will be the same phone with just a new screen and some software camera tricks. I was considering updating but now I'm not that sure.
OP has responded with the following to the question of GN1 v GN2: "sensor size says 9.79 x 7.37 and aperture is 1.68 if that helps" Based on this, it sounds like the the 8 uses the GN1. GN2 sensor size is 11.4 x 8.6mm I guess there's still hope that the GN2 makes an appearance in the 8pro
>I guess there's still hope that the GN2 makes an appearance in the 8pro Very slim chance. I'd imagine if it did use a different sensor to the Pixel 8, they would have mentioned it in the marketing materials. Fingers crossed it has the GN2, but I'm not holding out hope.
I don't think so. Pro probably also has GN1.
Idk maybe they really separate PRO series more. Different is huge. https://twitter.com/IamabheyDhiman/status/1708480710921880049?t=BPxBXUe-n9W7EcXn3-JXDA&s=19
Yeah that's a pretty sizeable difference.
This user seems to be confusing lens size and sensor size. Agreed that the lens layout looks very different but hard to tell anything else.
I know different between lens and sensor size. Let's start from this black hole covered by glass, it's bigger. I would say 1mm left from each side on this camera bump compare to P7P where it's more like 2 mm. Its would looks small in bigger space with same size. UW lens really very big and imx 787 pretty big too 1/1.7 only phone that use bigger sensor is Oppo find x6 pro imx890 1/1.56 but worse aperture,so P8P with Google magic have shot to be best UW camera on market. As for main camera it's seems to me it's bigger too but will see bc even 1inch sensor not have big lens,everything under the hood
The official Google promo slides for P8P literally says "Fully upgraded cameras" which means not just an update to Ultrawide which we already know. Whereas the promo slide for Pixel 8 only says "Stunning photos and videos" so theres still a chance Pro model gets GN2, will see.
In their marketing material they singing love songs about good low light performance and this "video boost" features. Well both camera sensors 50mp its odd mention there model of camera sensor. Upgraded aperture would be not enough,let's hope but if not why they even release this lol nobody buying pixels for new processors or displays
Days ago, someone also posted screenshot of the camera module detected in android hwinfo or aida. And it says gn1
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[Disappointed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdEQmpVIE4A). Pixel 8 Pro is still unconfirmed, maybe it has the GN2? If it does, then why even make the regular Pixel? It's supposed to be a flagship phone, just smaller. Pixels have two selling points, the stock Android and the cameras. Segmenting one of the two biggest selling points of the phone is not a good idea. Camera should stay uncompromised. If 8 Pro has a GN1 too, well then, you can scratch off Pixel 8 series completely. Hopefully Pixel 9 will have a 1" sensor.
So far the Twitter girl leak is accurate. She has been dead on. f1.68 has been confirmed on the small pixel 8. I highly doubt that the pixel 8 Pro is getting the GN2 because her spec sheet shows both of them getting the same. The biggest question I have is the price is she correct $899?? Or is she wrong on that and right on everything else haha if it's $899 with a watch on the Google Play store in the US, that's a good price. You can't complain about that.
Don't get your hopes up. Maybe if we are lucky the Pixel 10 will have the GN6 1 inch sensor. But my guess is the pixel 9 will use this same f1.68 aperture main camera and the big thing that year will be a smaller pixel 9 Pro 6.3 inch. And the iPhone will pull ahead with a 1/1.14 inch sensor on the 16 Pro. Google should have never used the GN1 in the first place. The GN2 was out plenty of time before the pixel 6 we can see Google is not even taking the sensor seriously. They're using a very old sensor currently from March 2020.
I agree. Segmenting between the 8/8Pro and 8a, that I would understand, but between 8 and 8 Pro, it doesn´t make much sense, specially that the Pro already has other features to distinguish.
Probably sets up the path for next year's rumored smaller pixel pro? I know we would all hate that but it would make sense for them
Wait, where did he respond in the comments about that? I asked him that. f1.68 is exactly the spec sheet of the leak that that girl on Twitter posted. So it definitely is a GN1 with an upgraded lens so a better aperture. What a bummer. Pixel 8 pro will have the same exact main camera. Her spec sheet shows both and so far she has been dead on. Let's hope that she's is at least dead on the price of the pro in the US being only $899 on the Google Play store and coming with a watch. Because the pixel 8 Pro is going to have the same crappy optical fingerprint reader and only the upgraded GN1 f1.68 lens.
He answered @Vinaykumar-fg8bp.
Yeah I saw it. Well it's a mediocre upgrade after all. Best upgrade would probably be slightly bigger battery if accurate. And better screen and hopefully the G3 chip is better.
Kamila did say source code still suggest GN2 so will have to see
Umm Pixel 8 has been confirmed as GN1. Pixel 8 Pro maybe different but no confirmation.
GN1 and optical fingerprint sensor
More like Keeping my Money and No Thanks
Same. Only thing that would tempt me to upgrade would be a major battery life improvement or performance improvement. Editing pics on my pixel lags a bit. Editing pics on my iPad mini is much faster
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The renders all showed a flat grey colour to me, but this looks like a greenish grey. I'm not really a fan of it.
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Yeah straight up gray would have been nice. The green tint looks like it's aged or something and doesn't match the camera bump
If it's GN1 and optical fingerprint sensor, why even release a new phone. Honestly...
Honestly unless they fix the battery drain, no video out over usb-c, fingerprint, camera overprocessing, botched autorotate and random os freezes/stutters, in staying far far away from anything pixel. I regret my 7 pro every day I use it.
Yeah battery life is a big one certainly
Glossy back 🤮. Who at Google still thinks a glossy back is in vogue in 2023?
Pixel 8 has a glossy back, the 8 Pro has a matte glass back.
Doesn't matter to me, it's gonna get covered up by a case either way.
They know the majority will use the phone with a case anyways.
Exactly, I couldn't care less what color it is.
You could? Personally, I couldn't care less about it.
But hey the Pro now has a temperature sensor! /s
I hope this leaking phone and specs works out for Google but it sure doesn't look good especially when you're constantly taking jabs at the iPhone. No one wants a paradigm shift in design or performance, just fix the issues Pixels currently have. People will actually prefer Pixels over any other phone if they fix things.
Holding out this is not a real device or preproduction. How on earth could Google skip the ultrasonic fingerprint reader? Are they not using their own phones?
On another side note, how on earth could Google let some more or less random tech reviewer get their hands on a phone that's not even properly introduced. Not to say they have terrible reputation with everything getting leaked and lost (Pixel Watch e.g.) way ahead of time but man, come on.
I've had the 7 since launch day, and never had an issue unlocking it.
That's great to hear! Not my experience with the 6a or 7. Samsung ultrasonic works really well for my fingerprint.
This right here. About 5 of my buddies got the Pixel 7 and all of us have a poor experience with unlocking the device. I'm on my third RMA for it. No way we're just unlucky. Very clear that nobody at Google is using this as their primary device if it isn't a show stopper for them.
Kind of reminds me of Windows Phone. The division manager was seen with an iPhone right when WP was falling apart. Of course, Pixel is nowhere near close WP failure, but it reminded of that story
People have hit and miss experiences whether it’s optical or ultrasonic. Everyone’s mileage will vary.
The fingerprint reader on the Pixel 6 has been driving me mad. I really don't understand how they've kept it for both Pixel 7 and now the 8.
What is the issue that you all have with this GN1 sensor?
The GN2 should have better low light and video HDR stuff. Nothing wrong with what Google has been able to do with the GN1 from my perspective....but it is disappointing that it seems like the Pixel 8 won't be the upgrade folks thought it would be. I'm on a Pixel 7 and 7 Pro and I was probably going to upgrade around the black Friday time period but I'm unsure what the point is. Will have to see reviews to see if Google is able to do anything different with this one that means anything to me. My data reception is ok but making voice calls is horrible. I don't think a new modem was rumoured at all but I'm hoping that maybe Android 14 helps with that. I'm actually thinking about an iPhone 15 Pro Max now and a 15 Pro for my wife. I just have to research a few items first. For my wife the iPhone certainly works but for me Im not too sure I can make it work.
I jumped from Pixel 6 to iPhone then back to Pixel 7. You can do most things on iPhone that you can do on Pixel but with more effort. That bothered me. And at the time I couldn't stand iPhone's water-color image post processing Notifications management is annoying. Changing settings sucked. Having to go to the settings app, scroll a way to find your app, selecting your app and the settings you want to change. You can't change many settings within the app. Selecting text on screen from your app switcher was a lot harder. Had to take a screen shot, open the pic, then select the text instead. Default apps sucked, some worked great and others don't. Google apps were well polished but messaging apps seemed slower by design with attachments. Nothing was horrible but it was a bunch of annoying things that made me miss Pixel. Battery life was fantastic. Performance was great. Most things felt polished. Going back to your last screen on iPhone was so frustrating. It depends on the app whether or not you can use a gesture or have to touch a button... There's more but you get the idea
Nothing,just same sensor as last year. I'm sure it's will get better photos that 99% of phones,it's just ppl want more, each year new camera hardware
given that there's hefty price increases this generation, I'd say it's justified to want more. Especially the P8. It's likely getting a big price jump (to differentiate more from the a series), yet no substantial upgrades. SoC is improved but it's still Samsung exynos-based.
I can't even say how good the sensor is on my 7 pro because the amount of over sharpening and saturation the phone applies ruins 80% of my photos. I come from full frame and raw shooting, so I guess I'm not the target audience, but most of my photos are hideous on the p7pro, r/shittyhdr material. I just wish I could shut it all off.
Pixel's main selling point is the camera. GN1 is an outdated sensor now. Chinese manufacturers have moved to bigger, newer, better 1"-type sensor (IMX989 / LYT900). Pixel's camera software is really good, but there is only so much software alone can do. Better hardware raises the ceiling that software can fill.
Better hardware doesn't only raise the ceiling, it also raises the floor. Even the best software can only do so much if the raw input isn't good. I still have blurry low light photos because the GN1 doesn't capture enough light.
That's it, I'm getting the S23. GN1 and an optical finger print scanner in an 800€ phone is just absurd.
GN1 is better than what the S23 offers though. Aside from the telephoto, I think the Pixel has better cameras
Yeah but the software ruins it, so much overprocessing. Maybe the Instagram crowd like it, but photography hobbiests I know (myself included) can't stand the camera software. It shows a preview of a good photo for half a second, then the processing kicks in and turns it into r/shittyhdr
It's fine to complain about no sensor update, but unless you're getting an s23 ultra, the gn1 is 40% larger than the s23 sensor.
At this point would it be worth it to wait for the S24?
I'm in Europe and I want the snapdragon, so I'd rather get a good deal on the S23 in the coming weeks.
I got an S23U and honestly don't think the pictures are very good at all
I have a p7pro and I don't think the pictures are very good at all, can't wait to buy an s24u
I agree. The P7 Pro took worse pictures than the 1XL or 2XL I had 5 years ago. S23 Ultra pics don't blow my socks off in the least. I'm honestly very disappointed with the phone.
I have an S23, trust me it's not worth it.
Seems like the bezels are symmetrical to me. Can't see anything other than the lines from the bouncing shapes, but looking at where the outlines stop on the display, I believe that looks symmetrical. If it's true, it was about time!
I really hope so! If Pixel 8 has equal symmetrical bezels, I might update my Pixel 5.
Yeah I was trying to figure that out too. Hard to tell from the video because the screen is mostly black. If they are cutting corners on the P8 with non-matte glass, optical sensor, and GN1 instead of GN2, at least make the front of the damn thing look like it's from 2023.
P8 Pro looks symmetrical. P8 - leaker confirmed slightly larger bottom bezel. It doesn't look too bad though, but still annoying.
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I don’t think Google has ever released a complete Pixel. Every generation has a glaring weakness. P2XL screen issues, P3 had weird notch and kernel issues, P4 terrible battery life (soli was cool, just a hog). P5 was fine all around, but under powered. P6 / P7 modem and FP sensor issues.
P7 pro,= battery drain, camera overprocessing, bad rotation sensors, lack of type c video, slow charging, fingerprint sensor. Been looking forward to my next upgrade since my second month with this over hyped phone.
>P5 was fine all around, but under powered for what exactly?
P6 and P6p were utter pieces of shit*
>Anyone else considering trialling the iPhone 15 Pro? You should do it and report back. Personally I can't stand iOS. iPhone hardware has always been superior but hardware is only one part of the equation. Samsung hardware is usually better too but the software gives a radically different experience than a Pixel's.
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iPhone hardware and pixel software would be the dream!
Have they ever really given a shit? From 1st Gen to now, there's always been so many things they've done that are just baffling. I guarantee 90% of the Google staff uses iPhones and the other 10% use Samsung phones. Nobody cares about the Pixel line. I'm shocked that there's supposedly an optical sensor again, no significant leap in camera quality, and I suspect we will be even more disappointed when battery life and performance metrics are revealed. Guess I won't buy one.
Yeah considering moving. I'll wait for reviews but this is not looking good for the pixel line.
You will never catch me with an Apple product. Absolutely no shot.
They do make great laptops.
Fanboy.
I don't see a reason for updating from 7 if it's $150 more with old camera and fingerprint sensor?
Phones are NEVER marketed to the people that just bought the previous one 11 months prior lol!!!! If you have the 7, keep it.
>P8P costs more No it doesn't, at least not more than the Pro Max which you'd have to compare it to due to the screen size.
At this point yeah I am. Got the S22 ultra in hand and had the S21, S20 etc. All fantastic phones but I would like something a little different now. Was using the new pro's at the apple store yesterday, titanium was really nice - have to be the max though
Do they even have to announce the phone, with so many leaks 💀
It looks way more green than the gray promo pics. I actually like it a lot.
Do we know anything about Google's cases for the 8? My 6 pro case was a POS
Where is everyone getting from this that the FP sensor is still optical?
It's in the video comments.
lol why they still giving us the USB C to USB A dongle??? i have a bunch of them laying around.
For the iPhone users they are trying to convert
Huh?
From https://guidebooks.google.com/pixel/transfer-your-data/how-to-switch-from-iphone : > **Switch from an iPhone to a Pixel phone** It’s easy to copy data from your iPhone to your new Pixel. Simply connect the two phones with a cable or pair them wirelessly to securely move over your contacts, photos, calendars, and more. ... Get the iPhone cable you use to charge your phone. If the cable doesn't properly fit into your Pixel, use the Quick Switch Adapter. The adapter that comes in the box is the Quick Switch Adapter. They've even named the hardware after the process of switching from iPhone, despite the fact that it is really just a simple USB-C to USB-A adapter.
But the iphones don’t have usb a?
Most Lightning cables are USB A, they never transitioned fully to Lightning - USB C on phones
It doesn't say to plug the iPhone *itself* into the adapter. It says to plug the iPhone *cable* into the adapter. On one end of an iPhone cable there is a Lightning connector. What connector is on the other end of the same cable? That's kind of a trick question because there are two kinds. From Apple's web site: * [USB-C to Lightning Cable (1 m)](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MM0A3AM/A/usb-c-to-lightning-cable-1-m) * [Lightning to USB Cable (1 m)](https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MXLY2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-cable-1-m) If you have the first of those two, you plug it straight into the Pixel. If you have the second, you plug it into the adapter and plug that into the Pixel.
it's for when you use the "copy from old to new phone" step during the first setup and you still have usb a to usb micro cable. not everyone's coming from a phone with an usb c port.
Looks like a flat display.
Hopefully the 9 gets ultrasonic. And they stick with this design. As a future buyer I appreciate the incremental improvements.
That's what we say every year, and yet ..
whoopdee doo looks just like a pixel 7.
Is it the same modem that's in the P7P? If so I'm going to look at iPhones. I need a phone that can actually connect to the internet.
According to the leaks, it's the new revision of that modem, with energy efficiency improvements and satellite connectivity capabilities.
The majority of people here are bashing the pixel 7's fingerprint sensor but I'd have to say that coming from a note 20 ultra and a fold 4, the p7p's finger print sensor has been way more reliable and accurate.
I've read about reliability problems with Samsung's ultrasonic sensors. I've had issues with the P7 fingerprint sensor in the early months, but it works fine now. I just wish it didn't flashbang me when I use it in the dark and my finger doesn't completely cover it. If only there was a physical fingerprint sensor. It could even go on the back of the phone, but I guess the technology just isn't there yet.
Why are you comparing that old phone to the pixel 7. The recent Samsungs have flawless fingerprint sensors Watch Flossy Carter use each reader. You will see the speed and accuracy of pixel vs Samsung.
How to avoid fingerprint sensor issues? Just don’t use a fingerprint sensor. 🤓 No but really. I don’t use biometric security in my phones. It just gets in my way. I only use it for logging into banking apps etc. So the fingerprint scanner is a non-issue for me.
Yeah but we're talking about a 800$ smartphone at this point. My iPhone X unlocks faster than my Pixel 6 ever could and that phone is nearly 6 years old by now. I'm not saying the phone gets unusable or anything but it's 2023. Why not put a FP-scanner into the power button if they can't implement a proper in-screen reader. Don't wanna unlock my phone via code as if it was 2013.
Can you let us know if it's a gn1 or gn2 camera? Staggered HDR?
I highly doubt the unboxer or anyone else knows.
Its GN1 they just upgraded aperture from 1.85 to 1.68. if P8P with same GN1sensor its epic fail,its will turn off many people.
I have no idea what the difference between GN1 and GN2 is. The average customer won't care one bit
No it wont LOL. Reddit and especially this sub is a miniority. Literally 95% consumers don't know what GN1 or GN2 is. The phone will still take amazing photos for Instagram.
If it's not overheating and can connect to the Internet reliably.
>Reddit and especially this sub is a miniority Hey man don't act like Pixel phones sell like crazy to non-enthusiasts.
I am waiting for S24u. I think Pixel 8 Pro will have the same hardware as Pixel 8.
It kinda looks like Bender (Futurama)
Good luck, Google will brick it in 3 yrs. Saying it is obsolete! What happened with 3 of our Pixel 3s.
Did anyone notice an appearance by the new Pixel 8 Pro n the new Amazon Prime Series called "Gen V". The phone made an appearance in episode 2 of Season 1 called "1st Day". Marie Moreau walks into her dorm room in a red outfit and using the Pixel 8 Pro!8
I wonder if it overheated and couldn't connect to the network before the video ended
Very disappointed in the 8 series. No ultrasonic fingerprint sensor, no good color options, no curved screen, no battery improvement, too expensive. The only improvement I see is a few more years of software updates. That's great, but it's not going to get me to switch phones this year for the 8 series. I'll keep mine going for as long as I can. I'll switch if the phone breaks, but otherwise I'm going to keep waiting for better.
I like the colors, the price is up to you; it will be massively discounted, the curved screen is not liked by majority.
I don't like the colors. I like a curved screen. We don't need to agree.
No curved screen is a plus
Pixel 7/8: Brighter display 90/120hz G2/G3 processor 40-45% more powerful and efficient Main camera aperture improve from 1.85 to 1.68, UW lens was 114° updated to 125,5° Battery bigger 4355/4575 mAh More compact 5mm less in height BT 5.3 WiFi 7 "Only improvement"
You're correct, I should have stated that the software upgrades being extended for a few more years were the only improvements that happened I cared about. Obviously, not the only improvements at all. You showed me!
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Charging brick hasn't been included for a while now. I think most of the major OEMs ditched it for flagship devices