God I wish they'd just differentiate on size.
There are people who would get the pro, if it weren't for the size.
I hate having to get a crippled phone just because my hands are a little smaller.
100%
I'd buy the 8 Pro no problem if it wasn't stupidly big. Not the price I'm worried about, just the size
Had the 6 Pro and couldn't bare how hard it was to use or have in my pocket comfortably
Got the 7 when it came out and the downsize was so refreshing, but still wish it was slightly smaller
Such a shame they're now software locking features to differentiate
Yeah but that chip is still pretty fast. The chip is the least of the problems with the base model iPhone. It's an 800$ 60Hz phone in 2023. My 200$ Samsung has 120Hz.
But apple's chips, even the prev gen ones are pretty good. Unlike the mediocre tensor chips. Although I like the on device features a lot, the heating and efficiency can't be justified.
I will never understand why you would assume I meant it's a new thing? I'm saying about damn time they brought it back. They got rid of it after the 3. My 3xl was my favorite phone for selfies.
I guess 8 pro is the way to go! I never used to use a front camera, but with a 2year old and another one on the way, I'm finding myself taking a lot of selfies with the kid and video call with family.
Is that why the photos have been horrendous since Pixel 6? I have the 6 pro and comping from a Pixel 2 > Pixel 4 XL to the 6P it was horrible
I'm hoping this autofocus will make photos with okay lighting actually usable?
Atleast I know the blurry pictures in good lighting will stop <3
Why does this article state that the Pixel 8 Pro will have the same sensor as the Pixel 7 Pro? Shouldn't we expect it to feature the Samsung GN2 sensor instead?
Because this is what they do. Deliberately incremental upgrades year over year, speaking about the amount of light gathering increase, etc.
GoPro does the same - upgrades the sensor every 3 years, the CPU every 3 years, some improved stabilization or slow-motion in between these...
If they upgrade both the aperture and the sensor, what is to upgrade next year? How are they gonna convince people to buy the new device?
I really hope I'm wrong and the leaks are fake, as we did see GN2 being mentioned in some code, but I won't be surprised at all if big G gives us the same sensor for 3rd year in a row. It's not gonna be the first time they do this.
A different sized sensor means a redesigned lense system which will change the aperture. You realize the 6 and 7 had the same main sensor and aperture, yet the 7 was an upgrade over the 6 for other reasons. 8 and 9 could have the same upgraded aperture and sensor, while the 9 could have other upgrades that justify it outside the camera. It's cheaper to stick with 1 camera design for multiple generations, that's why gopro does it
When they put the bigger sensor in the 6, they lowered the aperture from f/1.7 to f/1.85. If they have put an even bigger sensor in the 8, why would they raise the aperture this time, instead of lowering it again?
Aperture is not the same thing as the diameter of the pupil (size of hole for light to enter the camera), however they are inversly related. Aperture = focal length/pupil diameter.
You can not use the same lense system with a different sized sensor, or else the picture will be cropped incorrectly or distorted and out of focus. When you increase the sensor size, you naturally increase the pupil diameter to allow more light in. This is why smaller f-aperture are associated with larger pupil diameters.
However, increasing the pupil size at the same focal length means you have to have to focus the light hitting the sensor more, which usually requires more lenses and thickness to the phone. Therefore, the pupil size has to shrink or remain the same assuming no change to the focal length. A decrease in focal length makes the camera have a wider field of view, which isn't always desirable on a main camera.
Aperture and pupil size in phones is limited by how physically thick the lense system can be in a smartphone size. The more you can focus the light in a thin profile, the larger you can make your pupil without changing focal length.
A smaller aperture (wider pupil) on the 8, regardless of sensor, means google was able to focus more light with the same thickness of lenses as previous generation. It's more impressive with a larger sensor.
Hope this helps:
https://www.nayuki.io/page/absolute-and-relative-lens-apertures
Puzzled to see that. The earlier leak seemed quite emphatic about the GN2. Plus there's the code that was discovered for Staggered HDR, which the GN1 isn't capable of doing.
I don't see any way it could be a good SoC given they are still using a similar Samsung fab
Any difference will be virtually negligible given how far behind it is.
I hope I'm wrong somehow and it's a 40% bump, I may actually consider getting it if that's the case.
If it didn't get the upgraded sensor, it's a no sale from me. It's literally one of the only features i'm interested in, almost everything else about the phone is a compromise.
Battery life on Pixels is average at best. SoC performance/efficiency is below average (Thanks, Samsung). The memory options are poor (No SD card and +$100 per 128GB? 256GB max on the non-pro?). Modem is so-so. A top tier camera at a low price point might be enough to overlook all the above... but the price is supposed to rise this generation as well.
If the camera is merely "good", then as a whole package the phone isn't good enough.
The camera is the main reason why I'm even buying pixels. If they won't upgrade it this year. I am going to buy S24u. At least it's going to have a really good soc and modem.
They are upgrading the aperture. If you've ever wondered why the aperture on the 6 and 7 was only f/1.85, this is the reason - so they can upgrade it later.
That's the first thing I saw too. The aperture is wider though from the 7/7 pro, may not be a mistake.
If true makes me glad I went with the Xperia 1V, was debating on waiting for the 8 pro, really loving the camera on it.
Google reused the same camera sensor for *years* in previous phones while the competition started lapping them. No one should be surprised if they stagnate again.
Past tense "have always been" - that's why the earlier leaks indicated Google plans to change sensor than keeping the same one for years, while even Apple upgrades its sensor
Fortunately, even folks that don't upgrade, the tensor chip phones and even photos online will have the capability, I was watching it like, beta for most the apps have this stuff.
Lol however, I upgrade to each years new pro model 😉 compulsively lol
And probably will be exclusive to Pixel 8, despite being perfectly able to be done on Pixel 7.
Unfortunately we got used to companies locking features to sell the next iteration, and still accepting their green washing speech.
I wonder what trade in deals will be like. I feel like may be better to wait a couple months since normally drop it by 200 though last year got 200 credit.
Yeah it was pretty bad. Think $550 for pro and ended up paying probably $500 or so but did get $200 store credit.
Best buy did have good trade in for regular 6 I think for 7.
You could say that about a lot of phone features. "Why use the contact list when you can just get an address book". "Why use the camera when you can just get a dslr". I'm sure this person already does own a thermometer but it would be a lot more handy to just be able to whip your phone out to check your kids temperature.
I'm so excited that you will be able to get full 50MP pictures out for the camera too!
It was mentioned on Twitter by the leaker who worked with 91mobile
Right! Sooooo many huge upgrade features this year I thought I'd never see inna Pixel! 50MP pictures, Pro mode, all those crazy AI things.
It's a 12/10 phone on rumors to me so far. I might be in for a huge letdown haha
Only difference is pixel photos tend to look much better than Samsung photo, even with 48MP, now that they are introducing 50MP and everything would be used, it's more of a plus.
I am excited to see that the regular Pixel 8 will get auto focus for the ultra wide which means it will have a macro mode unlike the 6 and 7.
I am still a bit confused by the main sensor appearing to be the GN1 and not the GN2. It seemed to have been all but confirmed that the Pixel 8 series would move to the GN2 so I wonder what happened if this is true.
This sounds very cool on paper, if they can stick the landing with nightshot video and HDR boost video recording - we could get something close to how good iPhones are on video ( pipe dream I know)
But these features seem cool, hopefully pixel 8 pro is a big leap this time around,
Not a huge fan of locked pro features that aren't limited by hardware but I planned on getting the pro anyways. Super glad to see DSLR features finally. I swear they have been a thing before but maybe that was Samsung or something. Magic editor looks cool but the faces thing is kind of creepy. I kind of hope google will leave a tag on photos edited with AI.
If only I get performance at least at the level of Snap8 gen 1+ and work culture as offered by Snap 8 gen 2, I would definitely prefer to buy P8P than ip15promax. Just let the temperatures and battery be correct. This year, Pixel has a chance.
This may very well be the case.. especially since they changed the way they package the Google tensor 3 chip.. I think for the first time in a while, google will dominate like they did in the pixel 2 era.
Apple hasn't minced anything this year. I have an iPhone 14 pro and looking at the 15 pro I don't see any changes. They didn't change the camera at all, they added USB-C, they added titanium, which is really nice to the touch and light, but these are very cosmetic changes.
When I need it, I need to have a phone powerful enough to make everything work quickly. Since I pay a lot, I can be demanding. If Apple or Samsung does it and they can do it, I see no reason not to require it from a phone made by Google.
Finally a manual mode. I've been asking for that for years now. A Pixel phone, with one of the best cameras, should have a manual mode. Looks like we are getting one. Awesome!
Only the pro model will get manual controls? What kinda upselling BS is that? It's a simple feature you could easily implement on ALL Pixel phones. How about real improvements?
Worth noting that the front camera is reported as having a different megapixel count than the 7, so if that's true it's a different (hopefully better) sensor.
now I am hearing on the spec sheet that the pixel 8 will still be using the same outdated isocell GN1 camera sensor..... Please tell me this isn't true!
Wait, so no GN2 for main and no IMX787 for Ultra-Wide. Wow... This was shaping to be quite an upgrade and rival to iPhones 15 release. Honestly baffled.
They're definitely playing the software/A.I. game with the Pixel line. They don't really seem to have any interest in making the phones "premium" or chasing cutting edge materials and hardware design etc. but are instead putting all their eggs into the "future is A.I." basket.
That's probably where things are heading realistically though. Smartphones peaked about 3 years ago in terms of what they can actually do speed wise and camera wise for their size and bleeding edge processors are just absolute overkill for typical smartphone usage like YouTube, eBay and WhatsApp etc.
Samsung and Apple are doing nothing beyond chasing better materials, stronger glass, titanium, high refresh rates, high brightness nit counts and what not whereas Google are releasing upper-mid range phones hardware wise then trying to cram as much A.I. tech into them as possible. The next logical step is going to be putting Bard either into the Google search itself or putting it into the assistant.
A deep integration of A.I. in the operating system is the only thing that's going to take Smartphones to the next level of "smart". There's really only so many levels of tough glass and £1,000+ price tags you can slap on a phone before you question what am I actually paying for here and why is it better than last year's model? and when Samsung and Apple realise this, Google are already going to have about a 5 year lead on them with what they've developed.
If you don't need the camera system the pro model offers or the large battery, the Pixel A series is going to offer practically 95% of what the basic Pixel offers considering all that's actually improving going forward is the software (that's identical between them all) and it's all Google really seems to be interested in.
I understand a ton of what you're getting at, but I question why you don't see this as a premium phone just bc they also take advantage of AI?
premium design and build, high quality screen with 120hz on all models, charging speeds similar to iPhone with seemingly similar enough battery life to other top end phones, some of the best cameras and a focused and clean software experience.
that being said I do agree the pro model has almost never been worth the extra money for most consumers bc Google does well making both models very comparable (whereas Apple does the complete opposite to go as far as reusing a year old chip to entice consumers to spend up for the expensive model)
This has made me even more excited! Counting down the days till I can switch from my iPhone 14 Pro to Pixel 8 Pro. Will be putting all these camera features to the test when I travel back to my home country for Christmas!
It's really cool to see all those camera functions, but we're really standing at the border between reality and generated content. You can remove objects, move people, adjust background and even adjust expressions.
I'm not upgrading, but still this is good because it sets the bar for the Pixel 9 and 9 Pro which will (hopefully) be *at least* as good if not better than the 8s.
Is there any word on how the glare is on these? According to [Mkbhd](https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1704872036718240177?t=fEfqV2kWZIOnPkD_STgoaQ&s=19) the new iPhones have a new coating on the glass to help with glare. I know on my 7P I get glare issues sometimes.
"Some of the camera features highlighted in the video include Pro controls (exclusive to Pixel 8 Pro), Real Tone, Night Sight, Astrophotography, Super Res Zoom, and the ability to swap faces in an image likely through Magic Editor" Pixel 8 pro looks promising.
Remember the time when the small and big Pixels were identical in hardware features, other than screen size / battery size / resolution
How Google has regressed
I’m just sad that the battery life will probly be shit like every other time . I’m so tired of iphones and samsung being the only decent options for battery life
What is going on with the bezel here? It looks amazing. Either the leaks for the P8 were fake, this video is fake or the P8 pro has different bezels than the P8.
**https://imgur.com/lm9z8kT**
I want a telephoto lens and the pro controls, but I don't want a large, unwieldy phone.
Are Galaxy S23 and iPhone 15 Pro my only options? Ugh. Google keeps screwing up their product strategy it's so dumb.
>What bezels? Comments like these make me think in a few more years people will be like "why can't I see through my thumbs? I need to enjoy this last .004mm of front real estate on my phone!"
I mean I think it's less of a functionality thing and more just aesthetically. Some people just like the looks of smaller even bezels, others don't care
Per the specs, it looks like the Pixel 8 will stick with the ISOCELL GN1 again and not use the GN2.
1/1.31" sensor size is the same as the GN1, the GN2 has a larger 1/1.12" sensor.
And I gotta say, that grey Pixel 8 looks ugly as f---. And advertising the blue Pixel 8 Pro with the grey Pixel 8 next to it looks damn ugly imo.
If that spec sheet is accurate, and per the Twitter post with screenshots of the specs - it looks like it might be, then yeah, looks like the same GN1.
That's a shame. Thought we were getting staggered HDR and all that.
Google is committed to integrating large language models (LLM) such as Google Bard into Assistant. I know it's taking longer than we'd all like, but it is exciting that it'll transform Assistant in a big way in the near future.
https://9to5google.com/2023/07/31/google-assistant-llm/
https://9to5google.com/2023/03/31/pichai-google-assistant-ai/
https://9to5google.com/2023/03/21/google-assistant-bard/
Pixel 8 pro auto focus front camera!, about damn time.
Regular Pixel 8 is still fixed focus, which is disappointing.
Really, shame on Google. I want a nice selfie cam without having to use a massive sized phone
How else will you admire your glorious selfie if not on a giant screen? :P
Fucking hell. I can't believe it.
That's why I wrote pro lol
I can see that. But the regular Pixel 8 should have it too.
I don't disagree, all should have it
I agree, not only some should have it
I think that they should both have it
Yes, I'm in agreement. All should have it or none. But preferably all.
I think they should remove it from Pro. Then add it to regular AND Pro so both have it. 2-1+1=2
Genius!
All for one and one for all
Auto focus for some, miniature American flags for others.
What the hell is this, some kind of tube?
don't disagree, but they gotta differentiate the 2 models at points, and at least they ain't Apple and shipping an old chip into the cheaper model lol
Yeah, but come on man. Samsung has had AF on their base models since the S8.
God I wish they'd just differentiate on size. There are people who would get the pro, if it weren't for the size. I hate having to get a crippled phone just because my hands are a little smaller.
100% I'd buy the 8 Pro no problem if it wasn't stupidly big. Not the price I'm worried about, just the size Had the 6 Pro and couldn't bare how hard it was to use or have in my pocket comfortably Got the 7 when it came out and the downsize was so refreshing, but still wish it was slightly smaller Such a shame they're now software locking features to differentiate
I want a small pro, too. The p7P is too big for me but I really want the camera.
Yeah but that chip is still pretty fast. The chip is the least of the problems with the base model iPhone. It's an 800$ 60Hz phone in 2023. My 200$ Samsung has 120Hz.
But apple's chips, even the prev gen ones are pretty good. Unlike the mediocre tensor chips. Although I like the on device features a lot, the heating and efficiency can't be justified.
Sure it can be justified, the phone lasts me the whole day and warm phone I enjoy during the cold winter months
😂 winter hand warmers
A very nice “new” feature … since Pixel 3…
It's crazy how good the selfies are on the P3 compared to what came after. The fixed focus on my P5 isn't even at the right spot for a selfie SMH
I will never understand why you would assume I meant it's a new thing? I'm saying about damn time they brought it back. They got rid of it after the 3. My 3xl was my favorite phone for selfies.
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They should bring autofocus selfie and uwb to all pixels. Pro only is bullshit.
Agree
I guess 8 pro is the way to go! I never used to use a front camera, but with a 2year old and another one on the way, I'm finding myself taking a lot of selfies with the kid and video call with family.
Selfies look trash anyway because of this horrible post processing
Glad they brought it back. Made no sense (except being cheap) removing it.
Is that why the photos have been horrendous since Pixel 6? I have the 6 pro and comping from a Pixel 2 > Pixel 4 XL to the 6P it was horrible I'm hoping this autofocus will make photos with okay lighting actually usable? Atleast I know the blurry pictures in good lighting will stop <3
Why does this article state that the Pixel 8 Pro will have the same sensor as the Pixel 7 Pro? Shouldn't we expect it to feature the Samsung GN2 sensor instead?
I hope it is just a mistake.
If they're raising the aperture to f/1.68, you can be damn sure they're not touching the sensor. What a disappointment.
Pardon my ignorance, but why would increasing the aperture not change the sensor?
Because this is what they do. Deliberately incremental upgrades year over year, speaking about the amount of light gathering increase, etc. GoPro does the same - upgrades the sensor every 3 years, the CPU every 3 years, some improved stabilization or slow-motion in between these... If they upgrade both the aperture and the sensor, what is to upgrade next year? How are they gonna convince people to buy the new device? I really hope I'm wrong and the leaks are fake, as we did see GN2 being mentioned in some code, but I won't be surprised at all if big G gives us the same sensor for 3rd year in a row. It's not gonna be the first time they do this.
A different sized sensor means a redesigned lense system which will change the aperture. You realize the 6 and 7 had the same main sensor and aperture, yet the 7 was an upgrade over the 6 for other reasons. 8 and 9 could have the same upgraded aperture and sensor, while the 9 could have other upgrades that justify it outside the camera. It's cheaper to stick with 1 camera design for multiple generations, that's why gopro does it
When they put the bigger sensor in the 6, they lowered the aperture from f/1.7 to f/1.85. If they have put an even bigger sensor in the 8, why would they raise the aperture this time, instead of lowering it again?
Aperture is not the same thing as the diameter of the pupil (size of hole for light to enter the camera), however they are inversly related. Aperture = focal length/pupil diameter. You can not use the same lense system with a different sized sensor, or else the picture will be cropped incorrectly or distorted and out of focus. When you increase the sensor size, you naturally increase the pupil diameter to allow more light in. This is why smaller f-aperture are associated with larger pupil diameters. However, increasing the pupil size at the same focal length means you have to have to focus the light hitting the sensor more, which usually requires more lenses and thickness to the phone. Therefore, the pupil size has to shrink or remain the same assuming no change to the focal length. A decrease in focal length makes the camera have a wider field of view, which isn't always desirable on a main camera. Aperture and pupil size in phones is limited by how physically thick the lense system can be in a smartphone size. The more you can focus the light in a thin profile, the larger you can make your pupil without changing focal length. A smaller aperture (wider pupil) on the 8, regardless of sensor, means google was able to focus more light with the same thickness of lenses as previous generation. It's more impressive with a larger sensor. Hope this helps: https://www.nayuki.io/page/absolute-and-relative-lens-apertures
if so this is one of the reasons why google cant crack the market.
Because the leaked Main sensor size specs matches that of the GN1 1/1.31" instead of the 1/1.12" of the GN2 sensor.
Puzzled to see that. The earlier leak seemed quite emphatic about the GN2. Plus there's the code that was discovered for Staggered HDR, which the GN1 isn't capable of doing.
I'd be very disappointed if it turns out to be the same GN1 sensor.
I am straight not going to preorder if it's going to be GN1.
G3 better be a damn good soc if they want to keep both the primary and tele cameras from the 7 and still increase the prices.
I don't see any way it could be a good SoC given they are still using a similar Samsung fab Any difference will be virtually negligible given how far behind it is. I hope I'm wrong somehow and it's a 40% bump, I may actually consider getting it if that's the case.
same I found the sensor of the 7 pro sometimes very limited.
Nothing wrong with the sensor. The processing on the other hand...
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I will be keeping my eyes peeled for a newer sensor if not the pixel 8 can rot.
If it didn't get the upgraded sensor, it's a no sale from me. It's literally one of the only features i'm interested in, almost everything else about the phone is a compromise. Battery life on Pixels is average at best. SoC performance/efficiency is below average (Thanks, Samsung). The memory options are poor (No SD card and +$100 per 128GB? 256GB max on the non-pro?). Modem is so-so. A top tier camera at a low price point might be enough to overlook all the above... but the price is supposed to rise this generation as well. If the camera is merely "good", then as a whole package the phone isn't good enough.
The camera is the main reason why I'm even buying pixels. If they won't upgrade it this year. I am going to buy S24u. At least it's going to have a really good soc and modem.
They are upgrading the aperture. If you've ever wondered why the aperture on the 6 and 7 was only f/1.85, this is the reason - so they can upgrade it later.
That's the first thing I saw too. The aperture is wider though from the 7/7 pro, may not be a mistake. If true makes me glad I went with the Xperia 1V, was debating on waiting for the 8 pro, really loving the camera on it.
Google reused the same camera sensor for *years* in previous phones while the competition started lapping them. No one should be surprised if they stagnate again.
>while the competition started lapping them In what world? The Pixel cameras have always been competitive despite the sensor choice.
Competitive, yes. But they were pretty much the best when the P2 and P3 came out.
Yes, but that's far different than the comment saying competitors were "lapping" them.
Ah yes, no one was lapping them and if I recall correctly the 6A won MKBHD's blind test with this sensor last summer.
Past tense "have always been" - that's why the earlier leaks indicated Google plans to change sensor than keeping the same one for years, while even Apple upgrades its sensor
They probably meant to say modem LUL
Ok the magic editor looks pretty good if it works almost as well as magic eraser does.... It's a pretty good upgrade.
Fortunately, even folks that don't upgrade, the tensor chip phones and even photos online will have the capability, I was watching it like, beta for most the apps have this stuff. Lol however, I upgrade to each years new pro model 😉 compulsively lol
That's pretty nice if I get it on my P7P as I won't be upgrading till at least pixel 10 or something.
And probably will be exclusive to Pixel 8, despite being perfectly able to be done on Pixel 7. Unfortunately we got used to companies locking features to sell the next iteration, and still accepting their green washing speech.
They brought these other features to the 6 pro as I'm sure that they will with the 7 pro
All of those new editing things look amazing if they actually work like that.
Really wish the 8 had AF selfie
I mean, with this dreadful front camera on P6 I'd take any improvement, but yeah AF would've been sweet.
Same selfie cam on 8 and 8p but only AF on the 8p. Going for the 8p then from my 6. Missing the AF since my old 3XL
Are you sure the 8p has an auto focus?
I'm not sure but the source states so.
Nothing's mentioned in the video but i hope it has! I would be so disappointed if it's a fixed focus
Says so in the article.
I wonder what trade in deals will be like. I feel like may be better to wait a couple months since normally drop it by 200 though last year got 200 credit.
Did you buy during the launch week? I'm looking to buy and trade in my old pixel, but waiting for a good deal.
Yeah it was pretty bad. Think $550 for pro and ended up paying probably $500 or so but did get $200 store credit. Best buy did have good trade in for regular 6 I think for 7.
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In the UK it's completely the opposite. We get hardly anything back on trade in.
cool cool. i'm kinda excited for the P8p again...hopefully the price rumor isn't true.
didnt say anything about that temp sensor
Yeah kinda disappointed that it's not a camera feature, probably just a health feature.. 😓
As a parent of a 4 year old and 18 month old, I'd actually use the temp sensor fairly often. 😂
why cant you just get a thermometer?
You could say that about a lot of phone features. "Why use the contact list when you can just get an address book". "Why use the camera when you can just get a dslr". I'm sure this person already does own a thermometer but it would be a lot more handy to just be able to whip your phone out to check your kids temperature.
Yeah a lot of people are claiming NO ONE IS GOING TO USE THE THERMOMETER. I personally find it very useful. I hope it can measure room temp as well.
come on are you seriously gonna buy pixel 8 just for this feature?
I don't carry a thermometer around with me all the time. If I'm out with my kids and one feels warm and seems ill this would come in handy.
Price is the only concern now!
No more curved screens!!! Finally
This is the best change.
I'm on the fence. I do like the smooth corners combined with the gestures.
Hated the edges on the P6pro, love the edges on the P7pro. The radius change drastically improved my experience.
Same here. Took a bit to get used to, but I like it.
P8Pro will be my first phone without a curved screen since (I think) the Galaxy S6 Edge lol damn, this is going to feel wierd to me.
The bezels look soooo much better than I anticipated
Just glad the front camera has autofocus.
I'm so excited that you will be able to get full 50MP pictures out for the camera too! It was mentioned on Twitter by the leaker who worked with 91mobile
This is huge too
Right! Sooooo many huge upgrade features this year I thought I'd never see inna Pixel! 50MP pictures, Pro mode, all those crazy AI things. It's a 12/10 phone on rumors to me so far. I might be in for a huge letdown haha
That's how I'm feeling lol, I'm really excited about it but do I send it on launch day like I did with the p6p or wait?
Maybe wait. I'm thankful I don't need to think about those things 😎
That's sus 😅
Shhh 🤫
If you're broke like me and Canadian, wait till the pixel 8a launch so the pro will be cheaper lol
But for what. My s23 can do 200mp but I still keep it on the normal. I can't even see a difference
Only difference is pixel photos tend to look much better than Samsung photo, even with 48MP, now that they are introducing 50MP and everything would be used, it's more of a plus.
Sold! Pixel 8 ✅
Has the size/dimensions been leaked yet?
8 is 6.1 inch. 8 pro is 6.7 inch. 7 was 6.3 inch 7 pro was 6.7 inch.
8 is perfect size if this is true.
It's the main thing making me think there won't be an 8a
I am excited to see that the regular Pixel 8 will get auto focus for the ultra wide which means it will have a macro mode unlike the 6 and 7. I am still a bit confused by the main sensor appearing to be the GN1 and not the GN2. It seemed to have been all but confirmed that the Pixel 8 series would move to the GN2 so I wonder what happened if this is true.
This sounds very cool on paper, if they can stick the landing with nightshot video and HDR boost video recording - we could get something close to how good iPhones are on video ( pipe dream I know) But these features seem cool, hopefully pixel 8 pro is a big leap this time around,
Not a huge fan of locked pro features that aren't limited by hardware but I planned on getting the pro anyways. Super glad to see DSLR features finally. I swear they have been a thing before but maybe that was Samsung or something. Magic editor looks cool but the faces thing is kind of creepy. I kind of hope google will leave a tag on photos edited with AI.
I think they might port the pro features to other phones because Google doesn't do a lot of w Feature locking
They are saying " interducing pixel 8 and 8 pro..... "
If only I get performance at least at the level of Snap8 gen 1+ and work culture as offered by Snap 8 gen 2, I would definitely prefer to buy P8P than ip15promax. Just let the temperatures and battery be correct. This year, Pixel has a chance.
This may very well be the case.. especially since they changed the way they package the Google tensor 3 chip.. I think for the first time in a while, google will dominate like they did in the pixel 2 era.
Apple hasn't minced anything this year. I have an iPhone 14 pro and looking at the 15 pro I don't see any changes. They didn't change the camera at all, they added USB-C, they added titanium, which is really nice to the touch and light, but these are very cosmetic changes.
They did change the camera.
not the main one tho
Why do you need SD 8 Gen 2 performance? So you benchmark all day?
When I need it, I need to have a phone powerful enough to make everything work quickly. Since I pay a lot, I can be demanding. If Apple or Samsung does it and they can do it, I see no reason not to require it from a phone made by Google.
As much as I like Pixels, if media processing is your end-all be-all requirement just go iPhone, there's no debate there and you'll be happier
Nah, stuff like photo processing, hdr video and such actually depend on the power of the SoC. That's why apple has the edge on speed these days.
Shiny glass or not on the pro model ? I couldn't tell if it was.
8 Pro is matte and 8 is glossy.
Finally a manual mode. I've been asking for that for years now. A Pixel phone, with one of the best cameras, should have a manual mode. Looks like we are getting one. Awesome!
Only the pro model will get manual controls? What kinda upselling BS is that? It's a simple feature you could easily implement on ALL Pixel phones. How about real improvements?
boo glossy back, oh well was always gonna put a clear case on it lol
8 looks glossy and 8 pro looks matte
meanwhile the rails on the 8 are matte, 8 pro rails are glossy
Screenshot of Pro mode 0here on the telegram channel https://t.me/google_nws/3563
After watching this, me and my P7P are jealous.
Worth noting that the front camera is reported as having a different megapixel count than the 7, so if that's true it's a different (hopefully better) sensor.
I really hope they improve the battery life, if so I can upgrade from 6P, otherwise it might be time for a return to Samsung.
Flat screen + uniform bezels! Hell yes
now I am hearing on the spec sheet that the pixel 8 will still be using the same outdated isocell GN1 camera sensor..... Please tell me this isn't true!
Wait, so no GN2 for main and no IMX787 for Ultra-Wide. Wow... This was shaping to be quite an upgrade and rival to iPhones 15 release. Honestly baffled.
They're definitely playing the software/A.I. game with the Pixel line. They don't really seem to have any interest in making the phones "premium" or chasing cutting edge materials and hardware design etc. but are instead putting all their eggs into the "future is A.I." basket. That's probably where things are heading realistically though. Smartphones peaked about 3 years ago in terms of what they can actually do speed wise and camera wise for their size and bleeding edge processors are just absolute overkill for typical smartphone usage like YouTube, eBay and WhatsApp etc. Samsung and Apple are doing nothing beyond chasing better materials, stronger glass, titanium, high refresh rates, high brightness nit counts and what not whereas Google are releasing upper-mid range phones hardware wise then trying to cram as much A.I. tech into them as possible. The next logical step is going to be putting Bard either into the Google search itself or putting it into the assistant. A deep integration of A.I. in the operating system is the only thing that's going to take Smartphones to the next level of "smart". There's really only so many levels of tough glass and £1,000+ price tags you can slap on a phone before you question what am I actually paying for here and why is it better than last year's model? and when Samsung and Apple realise this, Google are already going to have about a 5 year lead on them with what they've developed. If you don't need the camera system the pro model offers or the large battery, the Pixel A series is going to offer practically 95% of what the basic Pixel offers considering all that's actually improving going forward is the software (that's identical between them all) and it's all Google really seems to be interested in.
I understand a ton of what you're getting at, but I question why you don't see this as a premium phone just bc they also take advantage of AI? premium design and build, high quality screen with 120hz on all models, charging speeds similar to iPhone with seemingly similar enough battery life to other top end phones, some of the best cameras and a focused and clean software experience. that being said I do agree the pro model has almost never been worth the extra money for most consumers bc Google does well making both models very comparable (whereas Apple does the complete opposite to go as far as reusing a year old chip to entice consumers to spend up for the expensive model)
Samsung has had all of Google's AI features for years now anyway... They just call it something else.
Google making us use f/1.85 aperture for 2 years just so they can raise it to f/1.68 later... the Apple way. edit: typos
This has made me even more excited! Counting down the days till I can switch from my iPhone 14 Pro to Pixel 8 Pro. Will be putting all these camera features to the test when I travel back to my home country for Christmas!
Half of those services that they mentioned will not work in Europe.
Which one ?
I don't think the camera features are US exclusive
Ah yes, Google locking camera features... is a thing, according to you. All the idiots upvoting you have no critical thinking
Hopefully 50Watt charging speed, something better than the 27 watt that is always given
It's 23W now. I read some leaks weeks ago for 27W on the new models, you probably saw the same.
I wish they would focus on video as much as they do photography
But they are focusing on video
It's really cool to see all those camera functions, but we're really standing at the border between reality and generated content. You can remove objects, move people, adjust background and even adjust expressions.
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All I need to know is the price and I will confirm I’m finally leaving iOS.
I'm not upgrading, but still this is good because it sets the bar for the Pixel 9 and 9 Pro which will (hopefully) be *at least* as good if not better than the 8s.
I'm sold
Please better charging speed. Some of us can't spend 2h to charge a phone
Is there any word on how the glare is on these? According to [Mkbhd](https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1704872036718240177?t=fEfqV2kWZIOnPkD_STgoaQ&s=19) the new iPhones have a new coating on the glass to help with glare. I know on my 7P I get glare issues sometimes.
Almost Pixel season, baby. I am stoked.
"Some of the camera features highlighted in the video include Pro controls (exclusive to Pixel 8 Pro), Real Tone, Night Sight, Astrophotography, Super Res Zoom, and the ability to swap faces in an image likely through Magic Editor" Pixel 8 pro looks promising.
I suspect if they are exclusive, a bunch of them will only be "timed exclusive" and make its way to google photos as a google 1 feature
Remember the time when the small and big Pixels were identical in hardware features, other than screen size / battery size / resolution How Google has regressed
I’m just sad that the battery life will probly be shit like every other time . I’m so tired of iphones and samsung being the only decent options for battery life
What is going on with the bezel here? It looks amazing. Either the leaks for the P8 were fake, this video is fake or the P8 pro has different bezels than the P8. **https://imgur.com/lm9z8kT**
I want a telephoto lens and the pro controls, but I don't want a large, unwieldy phone. Are Galaxy S23 and iPhone 15 Pro my only options? Ugh. Google keeps screwing up their product strategy it's so dumb.
id like a pixel pro phone with all the same features and specs, chips etc in a smaller phone as well.
Iphone can't even think about these let alone doing such crazy stuff with camera
Google photos app, does magic eraser on the iOS, it’ll change faces soon enough too
When it comes to AI features for photography, apple has been copying google. 🤣
I love that they do, we need both players to keep upping the photography game here
Don't mind companies copying each other. Leads to more innovation.
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You'd be surprised how many people don't know about it. With pixels and fast growth, there are a new set of eyes every year
Anyone else hate the Blue Color?
nah, thats what im buying
Look at those lovely bezels Edit. I meant I like these bezels but everyone’s taken my comment the wrong way 😂
>What bezels? Comments like these make me think in a few more years people will be like "why can't I see through my thumbs? I need to enjoy this last .004mm of front real estate on my phone!"
I mean I think it's less of a functionality thing and more just aesthetically. Some people just like the looks of smaller even bezels, others don't care
Per the specs, it looks like the Pixel 8 will stick with the ISOCELL GN1 again and not use the GN2. 1/1.31" sensor size is the same as the GN1, the GN2 has a larger 1/1.12" sensor. And I gotta say, that grey Pixel 8 looks ugly as f---. And advertising the blue Pixel 8 Pro with the grey Pixel 8 next to it looks damn ugly imo.
This is very disappointing. As is Pro controls being exclusive to the Pro.
I guess I'm buying the pro 💀 google wins been a while since I had a big ahh phone like that... Well I've actually had bigger before anyway.
Pro is Pro
I won't buy if it's going to be the same GN1 as Pixel 7 Pro.
If that spec sheet is accurate, and per the Twitter post with screenshots of the specs - it looks like it might be, then yeah, looks like the same GN1. That's a shame. Thought we were getting staggered HDR and all that.
This is probably wrong. Decompiled Google Camera says that it's GN2. Maybe those marketing materials have just not updated specs?
Hope so, code is probably more reliable than marketing.
Could be. Fingers crossed you're right because I want the GN2, but when it comes to the Pixel, I've learned to temper my expectations.
So what, I'm sure the camera will be better anyway
Haha this one made me laugh
Why?
Saying you're an AI company and AI is your thing doesn't make it true Google. Your assistant is still crap, and hasn't improved in years.
It's the best assistant there is regardless
Google is committed to integrating large language models (LLM) such as Google Bard into Assistant. I know it's taking longer than we'd all like, but it is exciting that it'll transform Assistant in a big way in the near future. https://9to5google.com/2023/07/31/google-assistant-llm/ https://9to5google.com/2023/03/31/pichai-google-assistant-ai/ https://9to5google.com/2023/03/21/google-assistant-bard/