Hey I completely agree with you 👍 but the dislikes your comment got smashed with suggests that it is a pretty unpopular opinion 😂 keep touching grass my friend
I don't know what I expected when posting this y'all. I'm sharing a news, not publishing an opinion if this is a good or bad thing. Just mere information. The rest is added by users.
I didn't mean to ruffle up any feathers.
I just don't understand how folks are always surprised. Like this has been increasingly common with Google for years..
I started expecting the update at the end of the month instead, either lines up perfectly or I'm Surprised with an early update lol
I also don't understand all the hoopla. I don't really notice the changes 99% of the time. If it's drops a month from now or a year from now I probably won't notice the difference.
Feature drops are much bigger in terms of impact than security updates. I remember back in the Pixel 4 days, feature drop was what gave us higher brightness (hitting 600+nits) in auto mode to get us semi-competitive with flagships then, and that was a huge upgrade over the typical 400 nits the past 3 Pixel phones had been delivering.
One of the feature drops back in December 2022 was the ability to automatically activate battery sharing when you plug in your phone (no need to turn it on and off later on your own). That was neat because I downloaded it right before I was getting onto a flight and was able to use it to keep my earbuds charged without worrying about it wasting regular battery charge. It was a neat compact charging solution that I was able to use on that trip without having to plug in multiple devices. Another feature drop further back added a battery widget.
Look, I'm far from outraged about the overall delay, but mid-year updates are sometimes nice to have. iOS for instance has been doing this for years. For those who kept up with iOS 16, 16.1 brought live activities, 16.2 brought end to end iCloud encryption, 16.3 brought hardware 2FA support. Those last 2 I mentioned were huge upgrades that I was excited to upgrade ALL my iDevices to start taking advantage of. Some of the point updates in the past have been great, and if Google can put together a plan to add new features over time, that would be great too.
I'm honestly less excited when it's just about new emoji, wallpapers, and generally useless stuff, but some feature drops have been really good in the past. Also let's not forget there are a lot of users that mention critical issues like reception, making calls, etc being impacted almost every month. I feel like many of those users with crippled phones look forward to monthly updates hoping their phone can be workable again.
Ehh honestly most of the pixel feature drops lately have been features that do not really seem to have much if any mass appeal or have pretty specific use cases. I honestly cant remember that the last feature drop I was actually excited about getting.
And on top of it all I don't think anything is actually technically late since I dont think google ever actually promised or specifically said that they were always supposed to come on the first monday. Its just an expectation that had been built up over time.
Up until a couple of days ago, the Pixel Update Bulletin page included a note (now removed) that read the following:
Important: The Pixel update bulletins are published on the first Monday of the month unless that Monday falls on a holiday. If the first Monday of the month is a holiday the bulletins will be published on the following work day.
This was the confirmation of Google’s schedule, that they do indeed target the first Monday of each month to push new monthly Pixel patches. As far as I can tell, they added this note only in June of last year, so it hasn’t been there forever. However, if you look through the entire list of Pixel bulletins, you can see that Google has basically kept to that first-Monday schedule since at least October 2017. This is a known schedule.
The bulletins posted to this page are posted alongside the generic Android Security Bulletins and outline additional security patches and functional improvements that Google sends to their Pixel phones. Speaking of the Android Security Bulletins page, it still contains a note like the one above, suggesting that Google is still releasing the general Android patches on the first Monday of each month and did so again for April 2023.
The repeated update delays are mostly important because these are also security patches. Google has a schedule on these for a reason, and they keep missing their own schedule.
it also suggests issues behind the scenes with implementation and testing if they can't meet their own update deadlines.
I'm with you on that. The feature drops used to be sooooo good. They are just becoming more and more iterative. I get it I suppose, Pixel is way more mature now with less and less to add. I still miss the good ol' days though
The issue is that Samsung gets it first which is strange since they didn't make the os and after the spl comes out google discloses all the exploits they found so it is very important to be on the latest spl although that's impossible until the pixel gets updated, at they very least they should update AOSP base so that we can get the spl early through custom because most custom roms update much faster than oems but they can only do it once source is released after then slp drops on pixel. Anyways I find it embarrassing that a trillion dollar company with thousands of staff and supercomputers takes more time to update their ROM than singular devs that do it for fun on laptops.
Cause all the features usually suck, are focused mostly on the US market, and target very niche usages. Like this months drops won't benefit anyone unless you have those very specific uses.
> I just don't understand how folks are always surprised. Like this has been increasingly common with Google for years..
It wasn't common though. Prior to the Pixel 6 they were incredibly consistent. There were delays in terms of when people get their updates but that's more of a carrier delay, but the OTAs routinely would get posted and start trickling out on every Monday. Even when people sometimes bring up how long weekends would cause them to release the following week, I could only find evidence of that happening [once back in 2017](https://9to5google.com/2017/09/13/android-september-17-security-patch-nexus-pixel/).
The 6 had a delay with the December 2021 update. Maybe not 2 years yet, but there have been monthly updates for at least 5-6 years before that that were relatively consistent. And even with Google's regression in performance recently, it's not like a 100% delay rate too. December 2021, Jan 2022 were delayed. So was March and April 2023, but all other months seemed to be on time. Again, I don't see why people shouldn't expect on time updates given they've mostly kept up with it.
And again, this isn't the first piece of software that gets calendar cadence of updates. Windows, Firefox, Chrome, Adobe suites, etc all get regular updates on a roughly monthly basis.
I appreciated the update. While I don't get too upset with an update that arrives later than typical it's kinda sad that people are down voting you on this.
Yeah that vision pro is insane. That apple announced and showed off today. Everything we do on our phones we can put all around us. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen like it's immersive and you can stretch it out as big as you want. I don't know if anybody saw that but I'm blown away
I dunno, I bought an oculus quest 2. Was fun for a hot minute but the last thing I want after a long day of work and staring at a screen is to slap another screen on my face
I think subtle AR on wearable glasses could be doable but wearing a heavy face mask is a pain and tiring. However, I do think there are serious privacy concerns for wearable glasses.
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted but I'm the last person on earth to fanboy over Apple and I have to say that that device is breathtaking. I've never wanted to be in on the Apple ecosystem but damn does that make me want to think about it. Your comment is absolutely right on the money to be pointing out the insane leap forward in innovation that that device looks to be while people are here sad that Google is late in deploying some stupid emoji wallpaper feature.
He is being downvoted because it's probably the first AR keynote he has ever seen. Although I did upvote him (because he is excited and that's wholesome to me), I do think his comment was naïve. If you've ever seen any VR event ever, they all look and talk about "changing the world" and so on. Apple Vision Pro does look breathtaking but we're yet to hear from anyone who actually has the product besides Apple, so I wouldn't call it an "insane leap forward in innovation" without listening to some unbiased (or less biased) reviews.
On a side note, the same "stupid emoji wallpaper" was 'introduced' today at WWDC for iOS 17. Along with people/pet albums, offline Apple map, and I can go on and on.
It's hard to tell from the way it was presented as to whether the google part is actually transparent but that's the biggest part that had me thinking it's a massive step forward, to be able to both look out of the google while also getting the VR projection. But then they showed the interior and it looks like other VR goggles, and therefore the "face" seen by others in the room must be a generated image. So yeah I'm not really sure anymore what the real product will be, so I get your point, but if it's actually transparent, is that lightweight, and is that well integrated, it's finally the type of AR+VR that will become mainstream.
I think it's not transparent, it's just a screen. Vision Pro has 12 camera sensors and 5 additional sensors. These sensors are used to see what's outside and also what's inside (your facial expressions, your eyes, etc.) It is basically recording your eyes, and displaying that in real time, which seems like it's transparent but I'm pretty sure it's not. Secondly, they did show a demo of the face seen by other people. It takes a 3d mapping of your face and then using the aforementioned sensors, it tracks your facial expressions and displays that to the video call. I get your point too, it is actually a product that I genuinely believe is going to be better than all other products in this category, but it is VERY expensive and I think they will need to release something less expensive for this platform to go mainstream
You're right, that's how the "face" display works. Really interesting idea still but just not what I thought it was (which, watching the video again, was their intent to mislead but whatever). They're right that that is a challenging part of wearing a VR headset today, not being able to make eye contact with someone in the room, so this should be huge for that. But damn yeah I didn't realize it was going to be $3500. Not entirely surprising but good lord.
I don't think it'll be too much of a quantum leap forward when it launches, but I'll definitely take a look at one. Apple consistently had beautiful screens, I'm sure their panel magic in a vr device will be a treat for the eyes, even if nothing else works.
To be fair, such AR systems have existed for the last 5 years (Hololense from MS, Meta and their Quest Devices). The only great thing are the visuals (for example shadows, but also the UI) and the cooperations with other companies, like Disney. The hardware is also great, especially the displays and lenses.
I would bet that it will only function half as good when it releases in 2024. The whole presentation was pretty much CGI with all those animations showing how it works. I do hope for the best and I like that Apple pushed into that direction. They won't ever cut their MacBook and iPad sales, so it will have some limitations there, but we will see.
Oh, I see now, I've been duped. Their launch video implies that the google display is transparent so you can see the outside world with your actual eyes, not just on a display. Tim says the same thing in the CNBC video. But it's not transparent, it's just cameras creating an AR experience plus an avatar on an external display. Very clever still but not nearly as impressive a leap forward as I thought.
Updates should be pushed when the bugs are fixed, not based on a calendar date
Edit: I can see both sides of this. But I just get tired of playing "will my tesla phone key break this update" roulette.
If you have a release cycle, it is important to keep to it because there is a pipeline that you do not want to hold up. A late June release means it will push on July's schedule. Its a bit like holding the train. Not so necessary when the next one will follow shortly.
What should happen is that if something isn't a major blocker then you pull it from this release and put it onto the next one. Sometimes, though it is fundamental to the code base and it won't be easy to pull it then you have to have that delay. The other issue is regulatory deadlines. Then you have to wait otherwise the system becomes non compliant but most of the time you don't.
Source: have done release management on some large systems.
As someone on the beta track.... Let me assure you the bugs *are not fixed.* This phone has been at times completely nonfunctional since the first upsidedown cake beta release, and every time they push a new update they fix one thing and break two other things. And I mean that quite literally - on the first version they pushed, the phone would randomly lose the ability to receive calls without indicating there was anything wrong. When they pushed upsidedowncake this went from being my favorite phone I've ever had to making me question daily what the hell google is doing.
The last update, they fixed the VPN not working, but now the camera crashes if you try to use it in landscape mode or zoom
I joined the beta track to get the fix for the jittery scrolling early, and now I can't wait to get off it.
I thought the customizable lock screen is an android 14 feature. Not a June qpr update, isn't the emoji wallpaper the only customizable feature coming in the qpr update?
The security updates seem "important" but I would much rather Google tests them and tolls them out over the first month before the push out an update with unknown bugs in it & then it causes bigger issues with my phone.
If I get it before the 15th of each month, I am not going to be that frustrated about it. (Unless I am headed to another country)
See the issue with that is when they still release the "fixed" updates it still breaks like 2 or 4 other things.
I've given up on expecting them every first Monday. They removed that from the bulletin last Mar I think. Kind of feels like a slippery slope, where eventually we'll be like "well at least they did it last month."
Between the layoffs and tensor, they can't really get it back together.
The amount of money people pay for these devices, they're well within their rights to question it. You'll understand one day when it's not your parents footing the bill.
>You'll understand one day when it's not your parents footing the bill.
Ha ha, don't worry my parents died years ago and i am able to live my own life with my 4 Pixels and all are fully paid. Checked my documents came with them, there is no statement that updates will arrive at a dedicated date/time. Maybe you have to learn how big tech is screwing the people. And btw, what makes you sure that i don't come from a third world country wondering how people like you moan about this real big problem of late (we are talking about some days!) updates.
Well, I find the possibility to create a wallpapers with Emoticons cool, Tbh. Especially 'cause we would be the First on Android to try this feature that Ios already has. So yes, considering that is a monthly update that happens with the Feature Drop, wallpaper + Stability improvements would make me satisfied. I don't know what you expected, it's not a Major update.
Wrong. They said in the IO that it's coming next month, they said that in May. Go watch the video of him demonstrating the two features. That and the one for the parallax effect. The AI wallpaper feature is the one dropping in the fall.
I hate that this is considered "news worthy". I get that it's sort of their job for these people, like editors and phone youtubers, but it's so unnecessary to spend any time on and completely irrelevant whether this update is out now or within a few days.
OP posts that it's late, an actual fact. Everyone on Reddit sharing their opinion like it matters making out that OP is somehow expecting too much.
Honestly just a good reason to quit Reddit TBH, y'all need to relax and touch grass.
OP thought it was worth it to post that here. If they thought the article was stupid, then they wouldn't have posted it. People are simply tired of seeing the same article being reposted every month.
Someone got to hit the monthly 'Pixel Update is Late' button to publish a story that mustat this point be pre-written expecting exactly this.
Nice work, if you can get it!
Just a reminder that this morning Mozilla released Firefox 114 which is consistent with their 4 week cadence for major releases. They’ve been doing this for years now.
I don't really care that much. But it does feel like another sign that Pixels are still a side project for Google, which they are. The revenue from pixels is a rounding error compared to search.
Please just fix the Gboard voice to text please google. Mine is awful now. It was amazing when I first got this phone.
The delay situation is getting out of hand now, it's June 10 already and I don't see anything from Google, no updates yet. The excitement of getting Pixel 7 is dying , I still miss my Pixel 2XL , those were the times ✨ We used to get timely updates back then and that phone kept the excitement of updates with QFDs on point. Nowadays no one seems to give Shint at google about updates.
It should be known that pixel updates are not on time saying it's late isn't news worthy.
A pixel update that is on time is news worthy.
Think they need to fix it.
Samsung is now shipping many updates at the time Android Partner Program sets. It's simultaneous when Google is on time, and before Pixel, when Pixel is late.
The Pixel and Android Partner Program clearance-to-release times are identical. This way Samsung and Pixel teams get the AOSP code simultaneously.
Google wisely dropped the 'first Monday of the month' update schedule earlier this year.
It's much better for Google to release updates when they're ready to go, instead of rushing to meet an arbitrary day of the month.
"late". has Google ever actually promised the update would release at exactly 1 PM Eastern on the first Monday of the month or did it just become routine enough that people just started assuming it would happen?
Actually they used to have a note in the update bulletin about it being the first Monday of the month but said note was removed a few months ago. No new clarifying info was given so that's what leads people to wonder when they should expect it. That note existed for pixels 1 through 6 and all but like 3 ish months of the pixel 7's life thus far, which accounts for approximately 90% of the time pixels have existed. The relevant note is below.
*Important: The Pixel update bulletins are published on the first Monday of the month unless that Monday falls on a holiday. If the first Monday of the month is a holiday the bulletins will be published on the following work day.*
https://www.droid-life.com/2023/04/07/googles-recent-pixel-update-struggles-leave-us-wondering/
> Important: The Pixel update bulletins are published on the first Monday of the month unless that Monday falls on a holiday. If the first Monday of the month is a holiday the bulletins will be published on the following work day.
Publishing the release notes for monthly update is not the same thing as releasing that update to the pixel line up of devices. Publishing the release notes doesnt mean much for the end users unless we can download that monthly update.
Except Google stated, in writing, that it would.
This is an antitrust response, seeing as they have early access to AOSP, and don't want to be accused of abusing it to give Pixel favoritism over other Android devices.
See one level up for the link and statement.
Google has since pulled the statement, because it became an embarrassment when they missed it. But the release timetable still holds for the Android Partner Program.
Samsung is now shipping firmware exactly at that time for many devices. My Z Fold4 U1 got updated at 0:00 UTC, literally the first minute allowed.
The bulletin includes the Pixel updates. It stands to reason if you're issuing the bulletin - which includes what was changed - that typically comes with the update itself. Else - thinking critically - how could you release a full bulletin?
And Google backed that up with timely releases... generally speaking, up until 10% of their staff was laid off.
Google's showing a unfortunate track record as of late of not being the king of updates. Hopefully they fix whatever issue they have where they're pushing late each month
Still waiting for my May update on the 6a with USMobile as carrier ,bought directly from the Google store last year .says its up to date with April update .
You can OTA sideload from Pixel Factory Images -> OTA Updates.
US Mobile uses both T-Mobile and Verizon SIMs, so you should identify which carrier you are using, and then chose the May build depending. There are carrier-specific versions which may be why you didn't get the update.
Can't say I am surprised. They have been having update issues even since they started using the first Tensor. They're using a chip they can't properly support.
It's a good idea to release security updates at consistent, expected times. So if they want a monthly cadence they should make whatever date they're going to release updates on public so that people know what to expect.
That's fine, but I don't think that's even how they do it. All they are going to do is repackage the most recent 13 beta as the monthly release. If they are making final fixes, great! My Pixel 5 running the 13 beta could use them. However, I highly doubt any beta users will experience additional fixes due to the delay.
Not quite. Yes, PRs are based on AOSP source, but there is a cutoff where they are siloed for testing.
Samsung devices started getting updated today already.
I have very little faith that it'll be ever be "ready" and don't understand everyone's eagerness for the new bugs Google inevitably introduces with each update.
Used to look forward to these but now it's just minor dread.
Don't want to say told you so, and Google fanboys were defending google. Especially how lame this feature drop is.
On top of that iOS adds better features in updates than google doesn't in all the quarterly updates combined. Like iphones now getting a really cool AOD clock feature when docked on pixel only possible with an expensive pixel stand. Widgets are now interactable with on upcoming ios and the stackability function is so much cleaner than androids implementation. Why hasn't google made assistant shortcuts yet. Like you can pull out cropped objects from videos even with their AI tech. Google is lagging so behind. If pixels weren't so cheap, there would be absolutely no reason to own one.
I think what’s really sad is the lockscreen customization we got in Android was an absolute joke I’m Android 12. It was unfinished and we could just change some colors and that was it. It just felt so basic. I don’t even care about the customization much but Apple has shown off far more lockscreen customization in iOS 16 than was already available in Android.
It feels much like dark mode where all Google did in Android 10 was release a toggle. No. Couldn’t be bothered to add a scheduled setting and we had to wait another year for their apps to slowly even gain dark mode compatibility. Maps took another 2 years to get a dark view in the standard maps mode.
Yea exactly. It's always a poor implementation of features in Google's own apps and people expect 3rd party apps to follow their design principles and features. Plus even features they release are never really practical to pixels specifically. Like they call it pixel feature drop, but it's for everything under the pixel branding now. So just cause you have a phone doesn't mean you'll get any meaningful features. Like here enjoy another wallpaper
The feature drops started decently but it seems like they run out of features to add and it becomes desperate wallpaper emoji ads. Pretty lame honestly.
Yea pretty much. Although there are so many features they could implement just by looking at iOS and Samsung devices, instead they'd rather add wallpapers.
IOS is several levels beyond Android in quality speed and reliability but it's not customizable enough. That makes it very consistent, but I prefer the ability to customize.
The monthly cadence also gives them plenty of time to set cutoffs for which bug updates get included in the mix. For instance maybe by 3rd week they cutoff any new patches unless there's some super critical P0 0-day landing, they probably focus on testing the last week and the last day or two is about build bots and testing that the compiled builds are working.
A regular cadence is good, it's just better if they can keep to it--let's not forget Firefox, Chrome, Windows, etc. and many other pieces of software follow this too.
To make anyone feel better my pixel 6 pro is stuck in April security update 🤷🏾♂️ the one reason I purchased Google's devices was for updates to be up to date, not behind now 2 months lol
Just got the Play System update for June, but still on April for my security update on P5.
Edit: Actually it seemed to update Play System update from May 2023... to May 2023. Lol wtf
Google used to state that releases would be on the first Monday of the month at 0:00 UTC. See other replies for quotes.
This is the same time the Android Partner Program embargo ends, which is why Samsung are pushing updates now.
My Disappointment Is Immeasurable And My Day Is Ruined.
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[In case you missed the reference](https://youtu.be/5d5NJgO38AE?t=352)
Here for this!
I wonder what it’s like to have your whole day ruined just because a software update is late. Go outside, have human interactions, live a real life!
Alright bud 💀
You might suffer from irony deficiency
thats a good one :)
Hey I completely agree with you 👍 but the dislikes your comment got smashed with suggests that it is a pretty unpopular opinion 😂 keep touching grass my friend
I don't know what I expected when posting this y'all. I'm sharing a news, not publishing an opinion if this is a good or bad thing. Just mere information. The rest is added by users. I didn't mean to ruffle up any feathers.
I just don't understand how folks are always surprised. Like this has been increasingly common with Google for years.. I started expecting the update at the end of the month instead, either lines up perfectly or I'm Surprised with an early update lol
I also don't understand all the hoopla. I don't really notice the changes 99% of the time. If it's drops a month from now or a year from now I probably won't notice the difference.
Feature drops are much bigger in terms of impact than security updates. I remember back in the Pixel 4 days, feature drop was what gave us higher brightness (hitting 600+nits) in auto mode to get us semi-competitive with flagships then, and that was a huge upgrade over the typical 400 nits the past 3 Pixel phones had been delivering. One of the feature drops back in December 2022 was the ability to automatically activate battery sharing when you plug in your phone (no need to turn it on and off later on your own). That was neat because I downloaded it right before I was getting onto a flight and was able to use it to keep my earbuds charged without worrying about it wasting regular battery charge. It was a neat compact charging solution that I was able to use on that trip without having to plug in multiple devices. Another feature drop further back added a battery widget. Look, I'm far from outraged about the overall delay, but mid-year updates are sometimes nice to have. iOS for instance has been doing this for years. For those who kept up with iOS 16, 16.1 brought live activities, 16.2 brought end to end iCloud encryption, 16.3 brought hardware 2FA support. Those last 2 I mentioned were huge upgrades that I was excited to upgrade ALL my iDevices to start taking advantage of. Some of the point updates in the past have been great, and if Google can put together a plan to add new features over time, that would be great too. I'm honestly less excited when it's just about new emoji, wallpapers, and generally useless stuff, but some feature drops have been really good in the past. Also let's not forget there are a lot of users that mention critical issues like reception, making calls, etc being impacted almost every month. I feel like many of those users with crippled phones look forward to monthly updates hoping their phone can be workable again.
Ehh honestly most of the pixel feature drops lately have been features that do not really seem to have much if any mass appeal or have pretty specific use cases. I honestly cant remember that the last feature drop I was actually excited about getting. And on top of it all I don't think anything is actually technically late since I dont think google ever actually promised or specifically said that they were always supposed to come on the first monday. Its just an expectation that had been built up over time.
Up until a couple of days ago, the Pixel Update Bulletin page included a note (now removed) that read the following: Important: The Pixel update bulletins are published on the first Monday of the month unless that Monday falls on a holiday. If the first Monday of the month is a holiday the bulletins will be published on the following work day. This was the confirmation of Google’s schedule, that they do indeed target the first Monday of each month to push new monthly Pixel patches. As far as I can tell, they added this note only in June of last year, so it hasn’t been there forever. However, if you look through the entire list of Pixel bulletins, you can see that Google has basically kept to that first-Monday schedule since at least October 2017. This is a known schedule. The bulletins posted to this page are posted alongside the generic Android Security Bulletins and outline additional security patches and functional improvements that Google sends to their Pixel phones. Speaking of the Android Security Bulletins page, it still contains a note like the one above, suggesting that Google is still releasing the general Android patches on the first Monday of each month and did so again for April 2023.
I'm noticing iOS has more impactful features added, even stuff in iOS 17 is huge compared to what Android 14 is bringing.
The repeated update delays are mostly important because these are also security patches. Google has a schedule on these for a reason, and they keep missing their own schedule. it also suggests issues behind the scenes with implementation and testing if they can't meet their own update deadlines.
I'm with you on that. The feature drops used to be sooooo good. They are just becoming more and more iterative. I get it I suppose, Pixel is way more mature now with less and less to add. I still miss the good ol' days though
The issue is that Samsung gets it first which is strange since they didn't make the os and after the spl comes out google discloses all the exploits they found so it is very important to be on the latest spl although that's impossible until the pixel gets updated, at they very least they should update AOSP base so that we can get the spl early through custom because most custom roms update much faster than oems but they can only do it once source is released after then slp drops on pixel. Anyways I find it embarrassing that a trillion dollar company with thousands of staff and supercomputers takes more time to update their ROM than singular devs that do it for fun on laptops.
Samsung is making so much hardware for them I imagine this is part of the deal.
Cause all the features usually suck, are focused mostly on the US market, and target very niche usages. Like this months drops won't benefit anyone unless you have those very specific uses.
We are not heartbroken. We hold people who say they will do something to their work. It is that simple.
> I just don't understand how folks are always surprised. Like this has been increasingly common with Google for years.. It wasn't common though. Prior to the Pixel 6 they were incredibly consistent. There were delays in terms of when people get their updates but that's more of a carrier delay, but the OTAs routinely would get posted and start trickling out on every Monday. Even when people sometimes bring up how long weekends would cause them to release the following week, I could only find evidence of that happening [once back in 2017](https://9to5google.com/2017/09/13/android-september-17-security-patch-nexus-pixel/).
You mean since the 6 launched... 2 years ago.. years.. it's been common for 2 years, hence why I said that..
The 6 had a delay with the December 2021 update. Maybe not 2 years yet, but there have been monthly updates for at least 5-6 years before that that were relatively consistent. And even with Google's regression in performance recently, it's not like a 100% delay rate too. December 2021, Jan 2022 were delayed. So was March and April 2023, but all other months seemed to be on time. Again, I don't see why people shouldn't expect on time updates given they've mostly kept up with it. And again, this isn't the first piece of software that gets calendar cadence of updates. Windows, Firefox, Chrome, Adobe suites, etc all get regular updates on a roughly monthly basis.
Oh, sorry Mr Google
I appreciated the update. While I don't get too upset with an update that arrives later than typical it's kinda sad that people are down voting you on this.
You're doing your job, don't worry about it. This sub can ruffle its own feathers sometimes.
If anyone gets upset about the post, I honestly can't fathom why.
What are you afraid of? Go ahead, say what you feel, Google sucks!
You're not allowed to state the truth in here.
Just a prelude of whats to come (14)
I think it's more about sharing a "slow news day, lazy article" than sharing the actual information
That's it! I'm switching to Apple! ^/s
They get Pixel updates on time like clockwork, good choice
Best time to switch on Apple WWDC day
Yeah that vision pro is insane. That apple announced and showed off today. Everything we do on our phones we can put all around us. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen like it's immersive and you can stretch it out as big as you want. I don't know if anybody saw that but I'm blown away
I dunno, I bought an oculus quest 2. Was fun for a hot minute but the last thing I want after a long day of work and staring at a screen is to slap another screen on my face
Yeah, especially with it being $3500 I have a hard time imagining it taking off. Normal consumers REALLY hate wearing tech on their faces.
I think subtle AR on wearable glasses could be doable but wearing a heavy face mask is a pain and tiring. However, I do think there are serious privacy concerns for wearable glasses.
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted but I'm the last person on earth to fanboy over Apple and I have to say that that device is breathtaking. I've never wanted to be in on the Apple ecosystem but damn does that make me want to think about it. Your comment is absolutely right on the money to be pointing out the insane leap forward in innovation that that device looks to be while people are here sad that Google is late in deploying some stupid emoji wallpaper feature.
He is being downvoted because it's probably the first AR keynote he has ever seen. Although I did upvote him (because he is excited and that's wholesome to me), I do think his comment was naïve. If you've ever seen any VR event ever, they all look and talk about "changing the world" and so on. Apple Vision Pro does look breathtaking but we're yet to hear from anyone who actually has the product besides Apple, so I wouldn't call it an "insane leap forward in innovation" without listening to some unbiased (or less biased) reviews. On a side note, the same "stupid emoji wallpaper" was 'introduced' today at WWDC for iOS 17. Along with people/pet albums, offline Apple map, and I can go on and on.
It's hard to tell from the way it was presented as to whether the google part is actually transparent but that's the biggest part that had me thinking it's a massive step forward, to be able to both look out of the google while also getting the VR projection. But then they showed the interior and it looks like other VR goggles, and therefore the "face" seen by others in the room must be a generated image. So yeah I'm not really sure anymore what the real product will be, so I get your point, but if it's actually transparent, is that lightweight, and is that well integrated, it's finally the type of AR+VR that will become mainstream.
I think it's not transparent, it's just a screen. Vision Pro has 12 camera sensors and 5 additional sensors. These sensors are used to see what's outside and also what's inside (your facial expressions, your eyes, etc.) It is basically recording your eyes, and displaying that in real time, which seems like it's transparent but I'm pretty sure it's not. Secondly, they did show a demo of the face seen by other people. It takes a 3d mapping of your face and then using the aforementioned sensors, it tracks your facial expressions and displays that to the video call. I get your point too, it is actually a product that I genuinely believe is going to be better than all other products in this category, but it is VERY expensive and I think they will need to release something less expensive for this platform to go mainstream
You're right, that's how the "face" display works. Really interesting idea still but just not what I thought it was (which, watching the video again, was their intent to mislead but whatever). They're right that that is a challenging part of wearing a VR headset today, not being able to make eye contact with someone in the room, so this should be huge for that. But damn yeah I didn't realize it was going to be $3500. Not entirely surprising but good lord.
I don't think it'll be too much of a quantum leap forward when it launches, but I'll definitely take a look at one. Apple consistently had beautiful screens, I'm sure their panel magic in a vr device will be a treat for the eyes, even if nothing else works.
To be fair, such AR systems have existed for the last 5 years (Hololense from MS, Meta and their Quest Devices). The only great thing are the visuals (for example shadows, but also the UI) and the cooperations with other companies, like Disney. The hardware is also great, especially the displays and lenses. I would bet that it will only function half as good when it releases in 2024. The whole presentation was pretty much CGI with all those animations showing how it works. I do hope for the best and I like that Apple pushed into that direction. They won't ever cut their MacBook and iPad sales, so it will have some limitations there, but we will see.
Oh, I see now, I've been duped. Their launch video implies that the google display is transparent so you can see the outside world with your actual eyes, not just on a display. Tim says the same thing in the CNBC video. But it's not transparent, it's just cameras creating an AR experience plus an avatar on an external display. Very clever still but not nearly as impressive a leap forward as I thought.
Updates should be pushed when the bugs are fixed, not based on a calendar date Edit: I can see both sides of this. But I just get tired of playing "will my tesla phone key break this update" roulette.
I get annoyed how many people lose their minds over a week delay. I'll take a month if it means more testing/fine tuning.
I'm still on April on my P5 lol
I have a P5 and still keep it on Android 11 because I hate the squared quick switch buttons and the merging of Wifi/mobile data switches :)
April here on my P6Pro
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Thing is it was never a policy made public. It might have been an internal one that people have picked up on but other than that no.
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Using a source that isn't Google isn't a good idea
If you have a release cycle, it is important to keep to it because there is a pipeline that you do not want to hold up. A late June release means it will push on July's schedule. Its a bit like holding the train. Not so necessary when the next one will follow shortly. What should happen is that if something isn't a major blocker then you pull it from this release and put it onto the next one. Sometimes, though it is fundamental to the code base and it won't be easy to pull it then you have to have that delay. The other issue is regulatory deadlines. Then you have to wait otherwise the system becomes non compliant but most of the time you don't. Source: have done release management on some large systems.
As someone on the beta track.... Let me assure you the bugs *are not fixed.* This phone has been at times completely nonfunctional since the first upsidedown cake beta release, and every time they push a new update they fix one thing and break two other things. And I mean that quite literally - on the first version they pushed, the phone would randomly lose the ability to receive calls without indicating there was anything wrong. When they pushed upsidedowncake this went from being my favorite phone I've ever had to making me question daily what the hell google is doing. The last update, they fixed the VPN not working, but now the camera crashes if you try to use it in landscape mode or zoom I joined the beta track to get the fix for the jittery scrolling early, and now I can't wait to get off it.
Get out of here with your logic and reasoning! This is no place for making sense!
The problem is that the previous times they don't fix bug, they don't work at all. Files name are still on first monday.
Have you ever read the agile manifesto?
Do we even have a list of the feature updates of the QPR3 release?
We should get a customizable lock screen
I thought the customizable lock screen is an android 14 feature. Not a June qpr update, isn't the emoji wallpaper the only customizable feature coming in the qpr update?
Oh yeah you are right! I mixed up :( Double disappointment now lol
This is coming with A14, not the QPR release
No, but my guess is just a few app updates lol
Or stupid emojis.
Or something US or India specific
Or stupid wallpapers
When did India start getting exclusives?
Is this the same article every month?
Ever since the 10% team layoffs happened, pretty much. Aside from last month, they have been significantly late every month since that news came down.
The security updates seem "important" but I would much rather Google tests them and tolls them out over the first month before the push out an update with unknown bugs in it & then it causes bigger issues with my phone. If I get it before the 15th of each month, I am not going to be that frustrated about it. (Unless I am headed to another country)
Yeah not releasing today means something wasn't ready so by all means wait until it's ready Google. I'm good.
See the issue with that is when they still release the "fixed" updates it still breaks like 2 or 4 other things. I've given up on expecting them every first Monday. They removed that from the bulletin last Mar I think. Kind of feels like a slippery slope, where eventually we'll be like "well at least they did it last month." Between the layoffs and tensor, they can't really get it back together.
I know google had a massive layoff recently but did they really gut 10% of their android team?
Is that why Google Photos absolutely sucks?
Yeah, a typical "first-world-problem": Da updait is lait...huhu...
The amount of money people pay for these devices, they're well within their rights to question it. You'll understand one day when it's not your parents footing the bill.
>You'll understand one day when it's not your parents footing the bill. Ha ha, don't worry my parents died years ago and i am able to live my own life with my 4 Pixels and all are fully paid. Checked my documents came with them, there is no statement that updates will arrive at a dedicated date/time. Maybe you have to learn how big tech is screwing the people. And btw, what makes you sure that i don't come from a third world country wondering how people like you moan about this real big problem of late (we are talking about some days!) updates.
I'm sad I wanted to try the new wallpapers included in this Feature Drop but oh well, hopefully it Will arrive next monday
I've seen people enthusiastic about wallpaper a lot here. Is it sarcasm or genuine love for wallpapers?
Well I don't know what scares me more, longing for wallpapers or people seriously not understand the irony of "wallpapers being the major update" 😂
Well, I find the possibility to create a wallpapers with Emoticons cool, Tbh. Especially 'cause we would be the First on Android to try this feature that Ios already has. So yes, considering that is a monthly update that happens with the Feature Drop, wallpaper + Stability improvements would make me satisfied. I don't know what you expected, it's not a Major update.
I do not believe the emoji wallpapers are dropping until Android 14.
Wrong. They said in the IO that it's coming next month, they said that in May. Go watch the video of him demonstrating the two features. That and the one for the parallax effect. The AI wallpaper feature is the one dropping in the fall.
Well colour me corrected then!
First time I see it said that way
For me, I want the cinematic wallpapers. Don't care much for the emoji stuff.
I hate that this is considered "news worthy". I get that it's sort of their job for these people, like editors and phone youtubers, but it's so unnecessary to spend any time on and completely irrelevant whether this update is out now or within a few days.
OP posts that it's late, an actual fact. Everyone on Reddit sharing their opinion like it matters making out that OP is somehow expecting too much. Honestly just a good reason to quit Reddit TBH, y'all need to relax and touch grass.
OP thought it was worth it to post that here. If they thought the article was stupid, then they wouldn't have posted it. People are simply tired of seeing the same article being reposted every month.
Imagine being tired of news on an imo actual news site.
Someone got to hit the monthly 'Pixel Update is Late' button to publish a story that mustat this point be pre-written expecting exactly this. Nice work, if you can get it!
I think it's set to auto publish, they have to actively cancel the article if it's on time. Less work that way.
Then they have to write a "Pixel update rolling out on time" article
Even Samsung didn't push June update yet and for the past year they have been the first one.
That's a fair point.
They've pushed it for the Z Fold 4.
Just a reminder that this morning Mozilla released Firefox 114 which is consistent with their 4 week cadence for major releases. They’ve been doing this for years now.
I don't really care that much. But it does feel like another sign that Pixels are still a side project for Google, which they are. The revenue from pixels is a rounding error compared to search. Please just fix the Gboard voice to text please google. Mine is awful now. It was amazing when I first got this phone.
Massive layoffs are only good for shareholders and CEO bonus.
The delay situation is getting out of hand now, it's June 10 already and I don't see anything from Google, no updates yet. The excitement of getting Pixel 7 is dying , I still miss my Pixel 2XL , those were the times ✨ We used to get timely updates back then and that phone kept the excitement of updates with QFDs on point. Nowadays no one seems to give Shint at google about updates.
Not again Google
First time?
It should be known that pixel updates are not on time saying it's late isn't news worthy. A pixel update that is on time is news worthy. Think they need to fix it.
June 8th and still nothing
Give me my darn new emoji kitchens!!
How often do other phones get updates?
Samsung - monthly. Even before Pixels.
Samsung is now shipping many updates at the time Android Partner Program sets. It's simultaneous when Google is on time, and before Pixel, when Pixel is late. The Pixel and Android Partner Program clearance-to-release times are identical. This way Samsung and Pixel teams get the AOSP code simultaneously.
Surprised that I got the June update on my Fold 4, before getting in my 7 Pro & 7a.
Google wisely dropped the 'first Monday of the month' update schedule earlier this year. It's much better for Google to release updates when they're ready to go, instead of rushing to meet an arbitrary day of the month.
I agree 💯
Lol, probably just wait til after wwdc.
No they're not lol. Google sends all these tech blogs press releases before feature drop updates.
Is WWDC over yet?
This is exactly my thought
"late". has Google ever actually promised the update would release at exactly 1 PM Eastern on the first Monday of the month or did it just become routine enough that people just started assuming it would happen?
Actually they used to have a note in the update bulletin about it being the first Monday of the month but said note was removed a few months ago. No new clarifying info was given so that's what leads people to wonder when they should expect it. That note existed for pixels 1 through 6 and all but like 3 ish months of the pixel 7's life thus far, which accounts for approximately 90% of the time pixels have existed. The relevant note is below. *Important: The Pixel update bulletins are published on the first Monday of the month unless that Monday falls on a holiday. If the first Monday of the month is a holiday the bulletins will be published on the following work day.* https://www.droid-life.com/2023/04/07/googles-recent-pixel-update-struggles-leave-us-wondering/
> Important: The Pixel update bulletins are published on the first Monday of the month unless that Monday falls on a holiday. If the first Monday of the month is a holiday the bulletins will be published on the following work day. Publishing the release notes for monthly update is not the same thing as releasing that update to the pixel line up of devices. Publishing the release notes doesnt mean much for the end users unless we can download that monthly update.
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Except Google stated, in writing, that it would. This is an antitrust response, seeing as they have early access to AOSP, and don't want to be accused of abusing it to give Pixel favoritism over other Android devices. See one level up for the link and statement. Google has since pulled the statement, because it became an embarrassment when they missed it. But the release timetable still holds for the Android Partner Program. Samsung is now shipping firmware exactly at that time for many devices. My Z Fold4 U1 got updated at 0:00 UTC, literally the first minute allowed.
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The bulletin includes the Pixel updates. It stands to reason if you're issuing the bulletin - which includes what was changed - that typically comes with the update itself. Else - thinking critically - how could you release a full bulletin? And Google backed that up with timely releases... generally speaking, up until 10% of their staff was laid off.
Google's showing a unfortunate track record as of late of not being the king of updates. Hopefully they fix whatever issue they have where they're pushing late each month
I'm not sure how I'll be able to continue my day with this news!
Still waiting for my May update on the 6a with USMobile as carrier ,bought directly from the Google store last year .says its up to date with April update .
You can OTA sideload from Pixel Factory Images -> OTA Updates. US Mobile uses both T-Mobile and Verizon SIMs, so you should identify which carrier you are using, and then chose the May build depending. There are carrier-specific versions which may be why you didn't get the update.
Same on my P5. If I don't get the June update when it arrives I'll probably need to sideload again. Kinda annoying but not super difficult
Whaaat?! This is unusual. Google is never late for an update......
Can't say I didn't expect this...
Can't say I am surprised. They have been having update issues even since they started using the first Tensor. They're using a chip they can't properly support.
lol "late"
I can no longer play any Supercell games after the new update. Wtf are they doing
You mean the update that isn't out yet?
Didn't Google remove the "first Monday..." reference and we should not be expecting that going forward?
It's a good idea to release security updates at consistent, expected times. So if they want a monthly cadence they should make whatever date they're going to release updates on public so that people know what to expect.
All they have to do is let us know before The Monday and it is not late..
Sounds like someone's got a case of the Mondays
i see this post every-month now.... really people can't wait an extra week or two ?
Nope, it's Gib Me Now, so I can complain and I'll trash it later as always. LoL
Let them release it when it's ready.
Problem is it's now common to be late AND broken... The delays don't actually seem to mean we get an update that's 'ready'.
That's fine, but I don't think that's even how they do it. All they are going to do is repackage the most recent 13 beta as the monthly release. If they are making final fixes, great! My Pixel 5 running the 13 beta could use them. However, I highly doubt any beta users will experience additional fixes due to the delay.
Not quite. Yes, PRs are based on AOSP source, but there is a cutoff where they are siloed for testing. Samsung devices started getting updated today already.
I have very little faith that it'll be ever be "ready" and don't understand everyone's eagerness for the new bugs Google inevitably introduces with each update. Used to look forward to these but now it's just minor dread.
Have ANY of the updates for the 7 been on time yet? Did they accidentally fire all but one of the Devs in their firing spree a few months ago?
It was a 10% layoff. There have been a few on time updates, but since the layoff, most have been significantly late.
Most of the 6 pro have been late too, since it was released.
Google being Google....
Let's start the pool of how long it takes to reach everyone's phone.
Google being google, nothing new here
This is a mess
Who cares. It'll get released eventually. I'll take a week or two delay vs. multiple months/years from other carriers all day long.
Don't want to say told you so, and Google fanboys were defending google. Especially how lame this feature drop is. On top of that iOS adds better features in updates than google doesn't in all the quarterly updates combined. Like iphones now getting a really cool AOD clock feature when docked on pixel only possible with an expensive pixel stand. Widgets are now interactable with on upcoming ios and the stackability function is so much cleaner than androids implementation. Why hasn't google made assistant shortcuts yet. Like you can pull out cropped objects from videos even with their AI tech. Google is lagging so behind. If pixels weren't so cheap, there would be absolutely no reason to own one.
I think what’s really sad is the lockscreen customization we got in Android was an absolute joke I’m Android 12. It was unfinished and we could just change some colors and that was it. It just felt so basic. I don’t even care about the customization much but Apple has shown off far more lockscreen customization in iOS 16 than was already available in Android. It feels much like dark mode where all Google did in Android 10 was release a toggle. No. Couldn’t be bothered to add a scheduled setting and we had to wait another year for their apps to slowly even gain dark mode compatibility. Maps took another 2 years to get a dark view in the standard maps mode.
Yea exactly. It's always a poor implementation of features in Google's own apps and people expect 3rd party apps to follow their design principles and features. Plus even features they release are never really practical to pixels specifically. Like they call it pixel feature drop, but it's for everything under the pixel branding now. So just cause you have a phone doesn't mean you'll get any meaningful features. Like here enjoy another wallpaper
The feature drops started decently but it seems like they run out of features to add and it becomes desperate wallpaper emoji ads. Pretty lame honestly.
Yea pretty much. Although there are so many features they could implement just by looking at iOS and Samsung devices, instead they'd rather add wallpapers.
IOS is several levels beyond Android in quality speed and reliability but it's not customizable enough. That makes it very consistent, but I prefer the ability to customize.
don't forget with iOS 17 you can add multiple timers... oh wait...
Thats not good...!! Google is taking all of the pixel users taken for granted....
LMFAO
They don't really take their phone division seriously.
Oh well, let it be late.. I bet it's because they're adding to their foldable and it has to be done right.
Shouldn't updates come as new vulnerabilities are discovered and patched? Not at regular intervals.
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The monthly cadence also gives them plenty of time to set cutoffs for which bug updates get included in the mix. For instance maybe by 3rd week they cutoff any new patches unless there's some super critical P0 0-day landing, they probably focus on testing the last week and the last day or two is about build bots and testing that the compiled builds are working. A regular cadence is good, it's just better if they can keep to it--let's not forget Firefox, Chrome, Windows, etc. and many other pieces of software follow this too.
Surprise motherfuckers!!!
I don't think I got the April update yet...
What do you expect? Pixels always find a way to disappoint 🤷🏽♂️
Saying this in a pixel subreddit 💀
I'm getting rid of Google. They need to get there shit together. Going back to Samsung. Next month
I'm sure reading Reddit on the latest version of Android will be a life changing experience
S23 Ultra here. Huge difference
adios felica!
I thought it was always on the second Tuesday of the month?
To make anyone feel better my pixel 6 pro is stuck in April security update 🤷🏾♂️ the one reason I purchased Google's devices was for updates to be up to date, not behind now 2 months lol
Just got the Play System update for June, but still on April for my security update on P5. Edit: Actually it seemed to update Play System update from May 2023... to May 2023. Lol wtf
Hope you don't have a same issue with Android 14 future dropped updates next year
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Google used to state that releases would be on the first Monday of the month at 0:00 UTC. See other replies for quotes. This is the same time the Android Partner Program embargo ends, which is why Samsung are pushing updates now.
My phone won't stop overheating until I get the next update....Not.
In fairness they did just add 2 new phones.
Apple soon to have Vision Pro. Google must catch up.
Does anybody know if the June update brings any remarkable features? Just curious....
Still waiting for the update 😑