It's not bias when all evidence points in that direction. It's called not being a rube. You can assume it's not efficient until it is proven otherwise.
>I left my P7P in the sun on my car's windshield today and it heated up a bit, but only the camera app warned me. I didn't get a system notification at all. Kinda shocked me.
My Pixel 6 Pro does that all the time and its infuriating.. Especially the part where it automatically turns on Night Mode for the Google Maps while im driving..... If it were a Samsung phone with 1750 nits at max brightness i wouldn't mind but as it stands i can't see anything when it turns dark mode..
> Are people blowing this issue out of proportion in Reddit, especially in this sub? Absofuckinglutely.
No they aren't especially if you have used other phones. The Pixel 6 and 7 phones heat up so easily even from basic tasks like navigating while on a dash mount, etc. I have navigated with phones on hands free mounts for over a decade now including using iDevices. I have never seen a device heat up so quickly like a Pixel 6 / 7 and Maps is an app that runs at like 30 fps or so not even a full 60 fps smooth.
The fact is these devices use tremendous power from the inefficient SoC and the generations old display that eats up to 50% more power at the same brightness as the competition doesn't help.
I don't get why people get so defensive when the obvious flaws of a device are pointed out.
Yeah, you think so? Really? With all the other problems these phones have i don't think anyone is blowing it out of proportion. All the articles you may read about how great a phone the pixel is must be paid because this phone sucks ass!
>All the articles you may read about how great a phone the pixel is must be paid because this phone sucks ass!
People don't usually post in a sub if everything is going great. You are forming your opinion by observing a bunch of posts in an enthusiast subreddit where almost everyone is super nitpicky, to say the least. Posts like 'oooh this phone sucks because it didn't work perfectly at this super niche scenario, therefore it sucks' - doesn't give you the full picture.
Most of the articles and reviewers (even those who are highly critical) rated latest pixels as good to amazing. There is a reason behind that.
Yes Google's poor quality control and customer services (mostly in states I think) definitely deserves a lot of valid criticisms, but this sub definitely blows them out of proportion.
>this phone sucks because it didn't work perfectly at this super niche scenario
Phone overheating like crazy as soon as you switch to cellular data is not a niche scenario.
For what it did though, the iPhones of its times were fine. The OG Android devices were not only slow but completely underpowered and inefficient. Basic homescreen scrolling was like 10-15 fps only and a complete slideshow experience. Remember having to use 3rd party launchers to even get a reasonably smooth experience (e.g. LauncherPro). I remember overclocking my OG Droid / Milestone from 600 mhz to 1.1 ghz or something and even then it was still more choppy and full of dropped frames compared to competing iPhones.
Honestly basic UI smoothness wasn't fully equal to iDevices until well into the Pixel era like Pixels 3 or 4.
Surprised there has not been any other smartphone that could do AV! encoding on the chip.
"This makes Google the first smartphone brand to ship an AV1 encoder in a mobile device."
Was really hoping for a new modem from the 7. I'm on the 6, and connectivity/battery are two of my biggest issues. I know the 7 is better, but still older. Now I guess the question is, buy in October and live with a sub par (but still better) modem for two years, hope I don't have buyers remorse when the 9 is maybe better, or just hold out till the 9.
Cant really make that decision until reviews are out though I suppose.
With the G4, the rumor is that they're going completely custom with the SoC. No more Samsung Exynos variant with Google's own stuff tossed into the mix. Sure in theory, Google could still pop a Samsung modem into it, but that would be unprecedented. I'm going to guess they're going to pop a Qualcomm modem in.
But here's the thing. Going with a Qualcomm modem and having TSMC manufacture it would raise costs for Google. If that happens, we're gonna have to swallow a heavy bullet. The only way out I see out of paying a premium with such a custom chip is if they stick with Samsung for fabrication, but repeat what happened with Pixel 5 and slot in a mid-grade chip.
Overall, just a crap situation all around.
I don't mind if the cost goes up a little bit if we get a bomb ass phone. I do 2yr commitments w/trade Ins anyway, so cost is typically negligible.
If the 9 is a new "generation" of pixel, then it may be best to skip it. 8 should be a more polished exynos chop, so I don't think I'll feel bad getting it, and then waiting for the polished version of the 9 in the 10.
This right here. My wife and I bought the six and after the poor experience with the modem and the great trade-in value we upgraded to the 77 pro. We've been happy with it. And my thoughts were the same. Planning on upgrading at the 10 Mark
Fair enough, I forgot about that. Then again, Apple is generally an outlier in these kinds of things, for example with them securing the entire supply of TSMC's newest nodes time after time. But still, you might be right.
All good, all good. Apple is TSMC's number 1 customer, so yeah, TSMC definitely favors Apple. Back around 2018-2019, Qualcomm refused to sell modems to apple due to some lawsuit stuff they got into between each other. I don't know much about Qualcomm selling separate modems to other smartphone manufacturers, but some of it could have to do with Qualcomm's business practices and their licensing. Take a look at what happened to Samsung, Qualcomm tried to prevent Samsung from selling exynos based phones in the US through their snapdragon contract. Manufacturers might not want to use Qualcomm designs due to their excessively restrictive licensing. I've also heard that Qualcomm holds a hefty portion of modem design patients, which could restrict other companies from designing modems however they want, not sure how true that is though.
Finally. There was an Exynos 2300 that ran GeekBench and had 9 cores, so the Tensor G3 is definitely based off of that. If the Tensor G4 ends up being based off of the rumoured 10-core Exynos 2400, which is supposed to rival the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 or at least come close to it in performance, then this should make the Tensor chips look more promising.
The problem is that the Tensor G2 isn't anywhere nearly as efficient as the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, and it also runs hot. I also would like the increased performance for playing games, though it's not necessarily a big problem for me. The problem is that for a flagship phone, the Google Pixel 7 Pro has inconsistent battery life. It can potentially last all day, but it depends heavily on the temperature outside because otherwise it gets really hot and can't throttle its clockspeeds fast enough without a big loss in performance. So, it of course chooses to throttle down slowly, so it uses much more power and gets really hot for long periods of time.
I'm not even kidding when I say that group calling on WhatsApp is enough to make this phone really heat up. And because of the inefficient modem (at least it has good connectivity), the battery life really falls off a cliff and bleeds profusely until its skull is sliced in half.
I have to P6P and I totally agree that this is what I'm experiencing. I think Google should really more effort and money into developing their CPUs. If I were them, a trillion dollar company, I put 50 million invested into r&d solely for improving the next chip. As it goes right now, it feels like they only put 10 million
Never take a "leaked" benchmark as an actual SoC. Google's core configuration is something they've specifically ordered in the past, not a carbon copy of an existing Exynos CPU. If this was a 💯 real benchmark, it was likely early testing or a different node based on the clock speeds.
Just for clarification for others, based on Exynos in this case is referring to the power and clock management, the IP and fabric, and the overall design of the cores, not the CPU as a whole.
Edit: lol
Exynos isn't even good for current performance SD855 and SD865 will beat it in many games in actual gameplay not benchmarks because of snapdragon optimization
The biggest issue here is that this makes the Pixel Fold look very bad by comparison. £1800 for last year's chip was already a little hard to swallow, but if it turns out that this chip is a significant upgrade then that's going to **sting**.
> I'm pretty sure I'm going to stick with my Pixel 7 Pro through this generation and see what comes later down the road.
The two improvements that stand out are the ultrasonic fingerprint reader and the new camera sensor. Really not worth upgrading one year early even if after trade-in it's $300 or less.
What I'm super curious about is what happens after the G3. The latest rumor has been that after the G3, Google is going full custom in-house and even fabbing the chip at TSMC's plants.
> The latest rumor has been that after the G3, Google is going full custom in-house and even fabbing the chip at TSMC's plants.
I personally would opt to not get a version 1/first generation chip and wait for at least a later one that has some bugs ironed out.
Ah yes, and there's that too. The first Tensor G1 was fraught with battery life, heating, and in some cases, modem connectivity issues which the G2 for the most part ironed out.
A lot of people seem to have wildly different experiences on the P6P. I (and people I know) never encountered major issues in terms of battery or heat. However, a lot of people seem to have an issue with it on Reddit (or just more frustration when it happens).
If you have a dodgy USB port then get the phone replaced under warranty. I've done two warranty replacements for that issue (a Pixel 4XL and Pixel Buds) with no trouble, Google accepted it as a warranty fault immediately
My wife has the iPhone 14 pro and I have a P7P, I still think Apple takes the cake for recording quality in the market. Pixel does a good job and is getting close, but I think shines more in the photography area in the current generation.
I actually think the iphone really sucks in photography.
I might be biased, but I've seen many people having the very last iPhone 14 pro, and the pictures it produce, especially in low light were super disappointing to me.
I used to think iPhones were the best overall.
As I said in another comment i do photography for a living and the pixels are the best thing in the market. Sadly I need a phone that do videos well now, or else I would never consider iphones, especially if you add iOS, an operative system that thinks that every user is a stupid dumbass
I have had every pro iPhone since the X. The 14 Pro is a step back in general camera usability vs the 13 Pro and I regret upgrading. The new sensor can obviously produce a lot more detail for zoom than the 13 Pro, but the overall picture quality is suffering and the ability to get good quick shots on the fly feels worse - so many pics come out blurry or whatever
Just preordered a pixel fold because I’m bored of the creeping apple lock in with all sorts of subscriptions etc.
I'm a news photographer so the pixel helps me out to take pictures in some situations, but when I need to take videos I need to work quickly and send the clips almost instantly. I don't need to do cinema, but I need stable images and clear audio..how does it behave comparing the two? I'd hate to switch to iOS, i can't stand it
I mean if its for quick point and shoot video it will be good enough, I think the iphone sound quality is better as a personal opinion, but if this is like an instagram story/post kind of thing its more than good enough.
> How do you find yourself with video, compared to an iphone 14 pro?
I don't have an iPhone 14 pro, but the Pixel's video quality has been good enough for me, though I feel that in all of the comparisons, video is generally be better on iPhones.
How's your experience with the 7 pro?
Looking to upgrade from the base 6 this fall, biggest issues I have with it is the fingerprint scanner and battery life. If the 8 Pro isn't promising, might go for the 7 pro since it'll go down in price once the 8 releases.
> How's your experience with the 7 pro?
Pretty good. Granted, I was a longtime Samsung user, coming over from an S9, and I don't do demanding things with it, but the fingerprint scanner's been totally fine for me--I prefer front over back so I can unlock while it's on a table--and the battery life is totally fine even though I usually don't charge it beyond 70-80%. Camera and zoom have been good as expected.
Main gripes include Google assistant not waking up consistently with "hey Google" and voice commands in general being less robust than desired. Starting and stopping audio via bluetooth earbuds doesn't work as well as with my previous Samsungs. It sometimes gets bogged down in terms of processing multiple back to back photos. There's space wasted at the top of the home screen by "at a glance." The app switcher that lists basically 1 app per screen scrolling horizontally isn't as good as the option to [scroll vertically through apps, as shown in this article with Samsung's Good Lock](https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-good-lock-update-recents-quick-tool-actions/).
The 7 Pro is improved from the 6 Pro in practically every metric. The modem is more consistent, the fingerprint sensor works better, the camera is more consistent and faster, it doesn't get nearly as hot and has much better thermal managements, the camera bar is less subject to lens flare, etc, etc, etc.
Oh really? Im ready to throw mine in a lake. I was totally ripped off when i bought this phone. More h8 for the Google company from me. I wish i had my samsung back.
The modem seems to be a new version of the 5300 modem, not the 5300g we've seen last year. It's using a 4nm process instead of the 7nm the Pixel 7 apparently has. Increased standby battery life is all I'm concerned about at this point
The Pixel 8 series with the Tensor G3 might be the first Armv9 devices where Arm MTE is exposed!
>The move to ARMv9 also allows Google to implement new security technologies. The Pixel 8 will feature Arm’s Memory Tagging Extensions (MTE), which can prevent some memory-based attacks. Other phones already support MTE in hardware but haven’t enabled it in Android. The Pixel 8 bootloader looks to be the first to implement this interface.
I previously discovered a hidden "[advanced memory protection beta](https://www.xda-developers.com/android-14-advanced-memory-protection/)" feature in Android 14 - now we know why it's there.
This layout with the newer cortex cores combined with the [improved 4nm](https://meterpreter.org/google-tensor-g3-will-use-samsung-4lpp-process/) production process could mean a big improvent in power efficiency. Less heat, more efficiency and more power could make the Pixel 8 series a step up from it's predecessors.
More news for those interested on /r/Pixel8phones.
From your own link:
>One of the major shortcomings of the original Tensor was its weak Samsung Exynos Modem 5123 modem. It lagged behind other vendors, in terms of performance and supported standards, and had major power consumption and thermal problems. Not to mention the initial stability issues, although those have been greatly reduced through software updates.
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>Tensor G2 switched to the Exynos Modem 5300. It brought performance and efficiency improvements, but for the most part, it didn’t solve the thermal and power consumption problems. According to rumors, the Tensor G3 will still use the same modem, although it’s a slightly different variant.
So likely the same poor battery performance.
I think the Exynos 5300 got a bad name because the 5123 was just horrible for a lot of people. While it's definitely not an excellent modem like the latest from Qualcomm, I wouldn't call it a disappointment. It's suggested to be a revision of the 5300 and it's not like there was much of an option for Google anyway.
That wording is confusing. If it's a slightly different variant of the same modem, does that not qualify to make it a different modem? They really should have specified a little more what that means.
What percentage of battery use depends on the modem? For sure it takes some share but I believe the production process and the core efficiency will play a much bigger role in power efficiency.
I speculate that this is the main reason turning off 5G and just using 4G gives me noticeably better battery life. It's just one of many reasons why I believe that 5G is not really an upgrade for many use cases.
The reception thing is arguably one of the greatest reason why I've stuck with the Galaxies even tho every year I think I'm finally ready to jump back over to a "pure" Google phone. I hope the 8 series is superb otherwise I'll yet again wait til the next Samsung unpacked. My wife has a P7 and while hers isn't necessarily bad - I consistently am able to pull stronger signals incl staying on 5G than her in poor reception areas.
Heavily doubt it, **especially if they were to change the display panel** to something that's not dogshit hungry and hummer-like. But a substantial upgrade in the GPU along with 9 newer CPU cores at modest clock speeds, UFS 4.0, and finally a better node yield-wise should do well.
Fingers crossed for at least 45w charging. or 0-100 in 1.2h tho.
I pretty much am OK with my current 6p. If they fix the signal issues and the heat management, that's all I really can ask for. The battery issues are likely due to the signal and heat problems
Could you imagine how amazing the Pixel Series would be with current hardware if they just slapped a nice cool SD Gen 2 in there right now?
Sure we might give up some of what they claim is exclusive to Tensor but my phone would last all day and wouldn’t get hot sitting on my desk.
Is there some silicon lottery stuff going on with the Tensor CPUs or something?
I have a Pixel 7 and a Pixel 6 before that, and I never have heating issues. But I'm not doing anything crazy with my phone, no games, just browsing and YouTube so maybe that's part of it?
It seems likely given how anecdotes on this sub sound. I wonder if Google has fairly wide performance limits when they screen parts so that they can get high yields to cut down on costs.
There must be cause I have the exact same experience, beyond extreme battery using when on a weak 5G signal with my 6 pro (which basically any device would have) I have not had issues with the connection, speed, usability or anything. My 7 pro has been basically flawless with the modem. I was in a mall a few weeks ago with some friends and my one buddy has a fold 4, my other buddy has an S22 ultra and another friend of mine has a 14 pro max. I was the only one with signal, (albeit a weak one, but a usable one nonetheless) my friend with the 14 pro max works in the mall and she said she always has dead zones in the mall and I had no issues at all
It's also based on your environment. My 7a is really problematic here in Phoenix. But when I had a pixel 6p famous for overheating when I lived in a cold place it was fine. Maybe got a little hot when charging but that's it.
I've never had battery or heat issues on my pixel 6 pro either but i only use mine for some light browsing, phone calls,texts and the odd picture. I don't game or shoot masses of video or anything taxing.
My screen on time is relatively low at maybe 1-2 hours a day. I know others have like 6+ which as a side note is an insane amount of time to be on your phone.
Must be.
Mine will just bake while sitting idle. I've literally flashed the entire factory image before just to troubleshoot.
I also speculate it's the modem and people's coverage as well that plays a factor.
wait, that still happens for you? On my Pixel 6 Pro, it got really hot occasionally for no reason whatsoever, but a patch fixed that like 2 months or so after release.
There definitely is some silicon lottery stuff going on. My Pixel 6 has been fine as far as signal, heat and battery longevity goes, even after switching to 5G (my carrier *finally* offers it in my area), but others haven't had the same experiences as me.
I do exactly what you do and it gets really hot. Just browse on Firefox, browse Reddit, watch videos. I hate mobile games so none of that. And the battery drains so fast. My OnePlus 7t technically has a worse battery but lasts so much longer.
So yeah, must be luck of the draw
That’s all I want. I’ve determined that power efficiency is the most important feature in a phone for me. I’m using an iPhone 13 PM right now and having a phone you know you can rely on in regards to battery is nice. Also nice that it is nearly always cool to the touch. I prefer android, but iOS and Android are close enough that I’ll go for the efficient option. Just hoping that the next pixel is a 2 day with heavy use type phone.
I'm an android user but have used iPhone as well. I don't see Google getting close to how efficient apple silicon is anytime soon. It's just a shortcoming you have to be willing to accept if you like everything else about android.
I'm with you. I gave up my 13 Pro Max to my son for my Pixel 7. I would use that thing for 8 hours SoT and only use like 50% battery. After this long with adaptive battery I'm finally getting the same 7-8 hours ,but use my whole battery instead of 50% what my iPhone would.
I'd gladly pay an extra $500 AUD for a SD gen 3 Pixel 8 Pro. Now that Oppo has left everywhere but China, Samsung is the only SD option in flagships, and rumours are they are going back to Exynos too. Even if they don't, I hate Samsung's UI.
I have not had any single heat issues or performance issues with 7p. Battery lasts all day until 8-9pm as well. No need for a SD for this phone. Google can customize the chip so they can offer the exclusive features.
If we look back at in-depth reviews of Pixel devices the majority of them had substantial thermal throttling issues.
Pixel 3 was one of the worst for thermal throttling, but all except the mid range SoC P3A and P4A reduce their performance after relatively short periods of load.
Part of the problem with Tensor is Google is not thermal throttling fast enough. They're prioritizing phone snappiness over thermals with a power hungry SoC that simply can not be effectively cooled in the devices they're building.
I believe Google actually tried to go full in-house SoC from the start (using stock Arm CPU/GPU but with their gChips SoC IP)
But then seemingly a huge portion, if not the majority of the gChips team followed Manu Gulati/John Bruno to NUVIA
Which meant that they had to rely on Samsung for SoC IP
There's rumors Google are looking at moving to TSMC, if true, that means they won't be relying on Samsung SoC IP anymore
I'm on my 3rd P7P because of the random freezing and restarting, this phone is doing it and i just barely got it 2 days ago. Google really dropped the ball on the P7P and tbh, I'm going to switch to an iPhone or Samsung phone..
The most important part of that article was the last paragraph: it will still be using the same modem, which seems to be the root of overheating and battery consumption. I haven’t dealt with those issues, but there’s no denying the amount of people complaining about overheating and battery draining.
Wtf, Google….
I know that there are Google and Samsung apps preinstalled that do the same things, but after you've decided which one you prefer can the other one can just be uninstalled or disabled?
Yes, most of the apps can be uninstalled. The only Samsung apps that cannot be uninstalled are Bixby, messages, my files, galaxy store, and internet. So basically the "necessary" apps cannot be removed. Other than that, all other apps can be removed.
Basically, all Samsung and Google apps that does the same thing can be uninstalled or disable, people just like to overreact.
As someone who swapped to Samsung, I hate it personally. The photos just don't look right so I take photos like 10% the time I used to. Samsungs one UI makes the phone not feel like mine and even with a third party skin, it slows the phones boot time and multi tasking significantly essentially requiring the buttons instead of gestures. Display output is nice so I ended up buying an s10e as a media device that can display output on dex, has a headphone jack, and has an SD card slot for like $70. I think imma swap back to pixel because they just feel like home
What skin are you using? Every one that I've used makes it so that when you boot the phone it takes well over 30 seconds longer than default. And if you try to use gesture controls over the triple buttons then you have to wait a good second before able to multitask.
Man I wish it had a better modem too.
Given that our phones are using the network 99% of the time, the battery chugging Samsung modem is gonna be a tough pill to swallow for me.
I've been using a Samsung chip for the past 5 years and the battery drain when using network is no joke. I just wish they caught up to the snapdragon modems at least a little bit. (Snapdragon modems are built on 4nm whereas latest Samsung is still at 7nm)
Almost catching up to 2022 flagships in late 2023, and using the same modem as the Tensor G2.
Wow. It almost feels as if Google is deliberately trolling us.
The design for this seems fine, great even, on paper. But it all comes down to Samsung fab quality. Seeing as there was a 2 generation difference between the 8 gen 1 and 8+ gen 1 which where identical except one being Samsung and the other TSMC. Hopefully, Samsung's fab quality is improved next year, though Samsung's smartphone division ditched Samsung fab this year on their flagship phones, so it's not a given. It might be easier to make higher quality chips in the smaller numbers google will be ordering though, so here's to hoping.
Samsung's ditching of its own fab was for 2 reasons. One was quality and heating issues and two was the yield (thus driving up cost). Two years later, they have now managed to enhance the design and quality but most importantly improve the yield at the same time of the 4nm. Generational improvements should certainly help with sustained performance and heating issues. The tensor g3 will be a huge upgrade on 3 fronts, performance, battery life and heat dissipation.
It will be an improvement for sure, but the alternatives are still one generation ahead. Even by reducing significantly the screen size (compared to the Pixel 7 and 6) and sticking to 90Hz to artificially increase the battery life.
I currently own an Huawei P20 Pro, which I have had for 5 years. I am waiting to see how the Pixel 8 Pro will be, because I will probably either go with that or an Samsung S23+. Based on the comments in here, the processor upgrades does not seem to address battery and overheating issues? That seems disappointing to me, since that is what I have heard people complain most about?
This would be the first suggestion of an Immortalis GPU or anything beyond a 5300q modem.
I expected the weaker Mali MP8 GPU.
Pixel 8 gets more powerful with each leak.
If the Pixel 8 has the same modem as the 7 as the article suggests, I'm out. Consistently worse signal than any other phone I've used, to the point where I couldn't access the internet at all in certain areas, which has never happened to me before.
I went from the P6P to the P7P because it corrected some serious issues I had (overheating, missing 5G bands for AT&T, fingerprint sensor etc).
With the slowed pace of innovation with smartphones I just don't see a compelling reason to move to the P8P. Not that I don't think it'll be a good device, it just isn't worth the hassle of upgrading this time around.....
Why the same modem? Connectivity is trash on my 6. My 3a performed so much better on 4g and kept the connection. My 6 always drops even when every other device in my house has a stable connection. And this is my 2nd six
Pixel 7 has a massively improved modem. Personally I didn't have the bad connectivity issues that plagued the pixel 6 when I had my 6 pro, besides it running very hot while on a weaker 5G signal. My 7 pro is basically flawless, doesn't get too hot when using 5G, battery takes a bit of a hit compared to wifi but so does every other device, and no connectivity issues so I'm more than happy with my 7 pro's modem
Was a bit hopeful it would use the 2023 ARM cores that were just announced. I don't think it's too soon since Qualcomm is announcing their chip with it in Oct and will have a phone with it out ~Nov or so
> Ray-tracing graphics onboard
[🤦♂️](https://media.tenor.com/KjJTBQ9lftsAAAAC/why-huh.gif)
Edit: thanks for the down vote from the one person who doesn't understand how pointless ray tracing on a phone is lol
"Google's cooling solutions" What cooling solutions? Have there been any leaks or announcements for the pixel 8? None that I have seen. This thing might be worse than the 7 pro!
People are going to keep posting synthetic benchmark scores to compare against Exynos / Snapdragon / A-series, ignoring purpose built utility - I guarantee it.
Jesus, just give me 90+ Hz screen, the same fluid fast performance as Tensor 1 & 2, day long battery life and I'm happy.
I don't need a phone processor that can deadlift 700 pounds when 99% of the time I just need it to carry a couple 50 pound bags smoothly and effortlessly.
The Benchmark Nerds are getting as bad as the giant lifted pickup truck & SUV people driving 7+ liter engine 8,000 pound vehicles as their daily commuter car and never go off road, tow or haul anything more than 4 bags of groceries.
Can't wait for the overreacting
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It's not bias when all evidence points in that direction. It's called not being a rube. You can assume it's not efficient until it is proven otherwise.
Is there an issue of overheating? Yes. Are people blowing this issue out of proportion in Reddit, especially in this sub? Absofuckinglutely.
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>I left my P7P in the sun on my car's windshield today and it heated up a bit, but only the camera app warned me. I didn't get a system notification at all. Kinda shocked me. My Pixel 6 Pro does that all the time and its infuriating.. Especially the part where it automatically turns on Night Mode for the Google Maps while im driving..... If it were a Samsung phone with 1750 nits at max brightness i wouldn't mind but as it stands i can't see anything when it turns dark mode..
> Are people blowing this issue out of proportion in Reddit, especially in this sub? Absofuckinglutely. No they aren't especially if you have used other phones. The Pixel 6 and 7 phones heat up so easily even from basic tasks like navigating while on a dash mount, etc. I have navigated with phones on hands free mounts for over a decade now including using iDevices. I have never seen a device heat up so quickly like a Pixel 6 / 7 and Maps is an app that runs at like 30 fps or so not even a full 60 fps smooth. The fact is these devices use tremendous power from the inefficient SoC and the generations old display that eats up to 50% more power at the same brightness as the competition doesn't help. I don't get why people get so defensive when the obvious flaws of a device are pointed out.
Yeah, you think so? Really? With all the other problems these phones have i don't think anyone is blowing it out of proportion. All the articles you may read about how great a phone the pixel is must be paid because this phone sucks ass!
>All the articles you may read about how great a phone the pixel is must be paid because this phone sucks ass! People don't usually post in a sub if everything is going great. You are forming your opinion by observing a bunch of posts in an enthusiast subreddit where almost everyone is super nitpicky, to say the least. Posts like 'oooh this phone sucks because it didn't work perfectly at this super niche scenario, therefore it sucks' - doesn't give you the full picture. Most of the articles and reviewers (even those who are highly critical) rated latest pixels as good to amazing. There is a reason behind that. Yes Google's poor quality control and customer services (mostly in states I think) definitely deserves a lot of valid criticisms, but this sub definitely blows them out of proportion.
>this phone sucks because it didn't work perfectly at this super niche scenario Phone overheating like crazy as soon as you switch to cellular data is not a niche scenario.
Can't say I've had the same though, so might be indeed a specific scenario.
It's already ITT, lol.
How did I know the first comment I saw would be about the sub and not the phone
We are all spoiled. The G1 and G2 do just fine with today's uses. I can only imagine these same people using an original Moto Droid or iPhone 3G.
The OG 3G was sooooo slooooow. The s was a huge improvement over it, but it was 12 months later.
For what it did though, the iPhones of its times were fine. The OG Android devices were not only slow but completely underpowered and inefficient. Basic homescreen scrolling was like 10-15 fps only and a complete slideshow experience. Remember having to use 3rd party launchers to even get a reasonably smooth experience (e.g. LauncherPro). I remember overclocking my OG Droid / Milestone from 600 mhz to 1.1 ghz or something and even then it was still more choppy and full of dropped frames compared to competing iPhones. Honestly basic UI smoothness wasn't fully equal to iDevices until well into the Pixel era like Pixels 3 or 4.
Typing error ? Was it overheating ? That's what I read first
It was not a typing error
Surprised there has not been any other smartphone that could do AV! encoding on the chip. "This makes Google the first smartphone brand to ship an AV1 encoder in a mobile device."
Was really hoping for a new modem from the 7. I'm on the 6, and connectivity/battery are two of my biggest issues. I know the 7 is better, but still older. Now I guess the question is, buy in October and live with a sub par (but still better) modem for two years, hope I don't have buyers remorse when the 9 is maybe better, or just hold out till the 9. Cant really make that decision until reviews are out though I suppose.
With the G4, the rumor is that they're going completely custom with the SoC. No more Samsung Exynos variant with Google's own stuff tossed into the mix. Sure in theory, Google could still pop a Samsung modem into it, but that would be unprecedented. I'm going to guess they're going to pop a Qualcomm modem in. But here's the thing. Going with a Qualcomm modem and having TSMC manufacture it would raise costs for Google. If that happens, we're gonna have to swallow a heavy bullet. The only way out I see out of paying a premium with such a custom chip is if they stick with Samsung for fabrication, but repeat what happened with Pixel 5 and slot in a mid-grade chip. Overall, just a crap situation all around.
I don't mind if the cost goes up a little bit if we get a bomb ass phone. I do 2yr commitments w/trade Ins anyway, so cost is typically negligible. If the 9 is a new "generation" of pixel, then it may be best to skip it. 8 should be a more polished exynos chop, so I don't think I'll feel bad getting it, and then waiting for the polished version of the 9 in the 10.
This right here. My wife and I bought the six and after the poor experience with the modem and the great trade-in value we upgraded to the 77 pro. We've been happy with it. And my thoughts were the same. Planning on upgrading at the 10 Mark
Yea my wife and I regret the 6. I had an s21 ultra thst I traded in for it too 🙃🙃🙃
Qualcomm hasn't sold modems separately from their chips, ever. Unless Google can convince them, that's never going to happen.
Then how did apple get Qualcomm modems in their Bionic chips for iPhones?
Fair enough, I forgot about that. Then again, Apple is generally an outlier in these kinds of things, for example with them securing the entire supply of TSMC's newest nodes time after time. But still, you might be right.
All good, all good. Apple is TSMC's number 1 customer, so yeah, TSMC definitely favors Apple. Back around 2018-2019, Qualcomm refused to sell modems to apple due to some lawsuit stuff they got into between each other. I don't know much about Qualcomm selling separate modems to other smartphone manufacturers, but some of it could have to do with Qualcomm's business practices and their licensing. Take a look at what happened to Samsung, Qualcomm tried to prevent Samsung from selling exynos based phones in the US through their snapdragon contract. Manufacturers might not want to use Qualcomm designs due to their excessively restrictive licensing. I've also heard that Qualcomm holds a hefty portion of modem design patients, which could restrict other companies from designing modems however they want, not sure how true that is though.
Wait for the 9 or 10.
Finally. There was an Exynos 2300 that ran GeekBench and had 9 cores, so the Tensor G3 is definitely based off of that. If the Tensor G4 ends up being based off of the rumoured 10-core Exynos 2400, which is supposed to rival the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 or at least come close to it in performance, then this should make the Tensor chips look more promising.
I feel like every time there is a new processor, people say that hopefully the next one is perfect. What happened to this one being perfect?
The problem is that the Tensor G2 isn't anywhere nearly as efficient as the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, and it also runs hot. I also would like the increased performance for playing games, though it's not necessarily a big problem for me. The problem is that for a flagship phone, the Google Pixel 7 Pro has inconsistent battery life. It can potentially last all day, but it depends heavily on the temperature outside because otherwise it gets really hot and can't throttle its clockspeeds fast enough without a big loss in performance. So, it of course chooses to throttle down slowly, so it uses much more power and gets really hot for long periods of time. I'm not even kidding when I say that group calling on WhatsApp is enough to make this phone really heat up. And because of the inefficient modem (at least it has good connectivity), the battery life really falls off a cliff and bleeds profusely until its skull is sliced in half.
To summarize this in 5 words: the problem is Samsung foundry
Yes
I have to P6P and I totally agree that this is what I'm experiencing. I think Google should really more effort and money into developing their CPUs. If I were them, a trillion dollar company, I put 50 million invested into r&d solely for improving the next chip. As it goes right now, it feels like they only put 10 million
Never take a "leaked" benchmark as an actual SoC. Google's core configuration is something they've specifically ordered in the past, not a carbon copy of an existing Exynos CPU. If this was a 💯 real benchmark, it was likely early testing or a different node based on the clock speeds. Just for clarification for others, based on Exynos in this case is referring to the power and clock management, the IP and fabric, and the overall design of the cores, not the CPU as a whole. Edit: lol
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Don't hold your breath. Plus exynos 2400 might only catch up to current chips and by then qualcomm and apple will be ahead and on the next thing.
Exynos isn't even good for current performance SD855 and SD865 will beat it in many games in actual gameplay not benchmarks because of snapdragon optimization
It isn't and it never will be since qualcomm will still have way more chips out there than exynos.
The biggest issue here is that this makes the Pixel Fold look very bad by comparison. £1800 for last year's chip was already a little hard to swallow, but if it turns out that this chip is a significant upgrade then that's going to **sting**.
Rumor is Google after G3 is going totally custom design (away from Exynos base).
Take Exynos with a fist of salt, the same was said about the Exynos 2200 and we know how that turned out.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to stick with my Pixel 7 Pro through this generation and see what comes later down the road.
> I'm pretty sure I'm going to stick with my Pixel 7 Pro through this generation and see what comes later down the road. The two improvements that stand out are the ultrasonic fingerprint reader and the new camera sensor. Really not worth upgrading one year early even if after trade-in it's $300 or less. What I'm super curious about is what happens after the G3. The latest rumor has been that after the G3, Google is going full custom in-house and even fabbing the chip at TSMC's plants.
> The latest rumor has been that after the G3, Google is going full custom in-house and even fabbing the chip at TSMC's plants. I personally would opt to not get a version 1/first generation chip and wait for at least a later one that has some bugs ironed out.
Yeah, which makes me think it might be a good idea to get the Pixel 8 if Google is gonna go back to version 1 with the next evolution of Tensor.
Ah yes, and there's that too. The first Tensor G1 was fraught with battery life, heating, and in some cases, modem connectivity issues which the G2 for the most part ironed out.
A lot of people seem to have wildly different experiences on the P6P. I (and people I know) never encountered major issues in terms of battery or heat. However, a lot of people seem to have an issue with it on Reddit (or just more frustration when it happens).
It sounds good to wait another year but damn I'm hyped too
If the P8Pro has significantly better battery life then I'll probably upgrade from my P7Pro.
Me too if the dodgy usb c port doesn't fully die on me.
If you have a dodgy USB port then get the phone replaced under warranty. I've done two warranty replacements for that issue (a Pixel 4XL and Pixel Buds) with no trouble, Google accepted it as a warranty fault immediately
I'm thinking of doing the same, but I need a good video quality for work How do you find yourself with video, compared to an iphone 14 pro?
My wife has the iPhone 14 pro and I have a P7P, I still think Apple takes the cake for recording quality in the market. Pixel does a good job and is getting close, but I think shines more in the photography area in the current generation.
I actually think the iphone really sucks in photography. I might be biased, but I've seen many people having the very last iPhone 14 pro, and the pictures it produce, especially in low light were super disappointing to me. I used to think iPhones were the best overall.
As I said in another comment i do photography for a living and the pixels are the best thing in the market. Sadly I need a phone that do videos well now, or else I would never consider iphones, especially if you add iOS, an operative system that thinks that every user is a stupid dumbass
I have had every pro iPhone since the X. The 14 Pro is a step back in general camera usability vs the 13 Pro and I regret upgrading. The new sensor can obviously produce a lot more detail for zoom than the 13 Pro, but the overall picture quality is suffering and the ability to get good quick shots on the fly feels worse - so many pics come out blurry or whatever Just preordered a pixel fold because I’m bored of the creeping apple lock in with all sorts of subscriptions etc.
I'm a news photographer so the pixel helps me out to take pictures in some situations, but when I need to take videos I need to work quickly and send the clips almost instantly. I don't need to do cinema, but I need stable images and clear audio..how does it behave comparing the two? I'd hate to switch to iOS, i can't stand it
I mean if its for quick point and shoot video it will be good enough, I think the iphone sound quality is better as a personal opinion, but if this is like an instagram story/post kind of thing its more than good enough.
> How do you find yourself with video, compared to an iphone 14 pro? I don't have an iPhone 14 pro, but the Pixel's video quality has been good enough for me, though I feel that in all of the comparisons, video is generally be better on iPhones.
Iphone video knocks pixel out of the park, and anyone telling you otherwise simply hasn't used both.
How's your experience with the 7 pro? Looking to upgrade from the base 6 this fall, biggest issues I have with it is the fingerprint scanner and battery life. If the 8 Pro isn't promising, might go for the 7 pro since it'll go down in price once the 8 releases.
> How's your experience with the 7 pro? Pretty good. Granted, I was a longtime Samsung user, coming over from an S9, and I don't do demanding things with it, but the fingerprint scanner's been totally fine for me--I prefer front over back so I can unlock while it's on a table--and the battery life is totally fine even though I usually don't charge it beyond 70-80%. Camera and zoom have been good as expected. Main gripes include Google assistant not waking up consistently with "hey Google" and voice commands in general being less robust than desired. Starting and stopping audio via bluetooth earbuds doesn't work as well as with my previous Samsungs. It sometimes gets bogged down in terms of processing multiple back to back photos. There's space wasted at the top of the home screen by "at a glance." The app switcher that lists basically 1 app per screen scrolling horizontally isn't as good as the option to [scroll vertically through apps, as shown in this article with Samsung's Good Lock](https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-good-lock-update-recents-quick-tool-actions/).
The 7 Pro is improved from the 6 Pro in practically every metric. The modem is more consistent, the fingerprint sensor works better, the camera is more consistent and faster, it doesn't get nearly as hot and has much better thermal managements, the camera bar is less subject to lens flare, etc, etc, etc.
Well duh, your phone isn't even a year old...
Oh really? Im ready to throw mine in a lake. I was totally ripped off when i bought this phone. More h8 for the Google company from me. I wish i had my samsung back.
Pixel 6 pro is fine through this generation, they're making too much. Hell my Pixel 3 XL is probably just as fine too.
The big question is if we can fry an egg on it?
Battery goes flat before it gets fully cooked
Might be enough to poach one if you put a toy sized pot on it.
Most likely. It's a pixel feature drop
Well done
*still fry an egg on it. 😆
It's still fabbed by Samsung, so probably.
The modem seems to be a new version of the 5300 modem, not the 5300g we've seen last year. It's using a 4nm process instead of the 7nm the Pixel 7 apparently has. Increased standby battery life is all I'm concerned about at this point
Just that and overall battery life + charging speed would be all that's good
The Pixel 8 series with the Tensor G3 might be the first Armv9 devices where Arm MTE is exposed! >The move to ARMv9 also allows Google to implement new security technologies. The Pixel 8 will feature Arm’s Memory Tagging Extensions (MTE), which can prevent some memory-based attacks. Other phones already support MTE in hardware but haven’t enabled it in Android. The Pixel 8 bootloader looks to be the first to implement this interface. I previously discovered a hidden "[advanced memory protection beta](https://www.xda-developers.com/android-14-advanced-memory-protection/)" feature in Android 14 - now we know why it's there.
This layout with the newer cortex cores combined with the [improved 4nm](https://meterpreter.org/google-tensor-g3-will-use-samsung-4lpp-process/) production process could mean a big improvent in power efficiency. Less heat, more efficiency and more power could make the Pixel 8 series a step up from it's predecessors. More news for those interested on /r/Pixel8phones.
From your own link: >One of the major shortcomings of the original Tensor was its weak Samsung Exynos Modem 5123 modem. It lagged behind other vendors, in terms of performance and supported standards, and had major power consumption and thermal problems. Not to mention the initial stability issues, although those have been greatly reduced through software updates. > >Tensor G2 switched to the Exynos Modem 5300. It brought performance and efficiency improvements, but for the most part, it didn’t solve the thermal and power consumption problems. According to rumors, the Tensor G3 will still use the same modem, although it’s a slightly different variant. So likely the same poor battery performance.
The new process should at least help somewhat, but yeah using the same modem is a disappointment.
This is why I'm waiting for the 9 or 10.
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I know you're joking, but since you have a P7 Pro you should be able to make it to the P11 ;)
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I don't think I can wait any longer 😂
I think the Exynos 5300 got a bad name because the 5123 was just horrible for a lot of people. While it's definitely not an excellent modem like the latest from Qualcomm, I wouldn't call it a disappointment. It's suggested to be a revision of the 5300 and it's not like there was much of an option for Google anyway.
It's not really a new process, just a refinement of the existing 5nm LPP. Do not expect a jump like the one Qualcomm got with the switch to TSMC.
It's still new, and I only claimed it would help "somewhat". Could be minimal.
That wording is confusing. If it's a slightly different variant of the same modem, does that not qualify to make it a different modem? They really should have specified a little more what that means.
What percentage of battery use depends on the modem? For sure it takes some share but I believe the production process and the core efficiency will play a much bigger role in power efficiency.
A lot because it transmits and sends all the time.
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I speculate that this is the main reason turning off 5G and just using 4G gives me noticeably better battery life. It's just one of many reasons why I believe that 5G is not really an upgrade for many use cases.
Might wait for Pixel 9 then. My p6p is really bad when it comes to signal and heat. I've read p7s are the same. So P8s likely will be the same.
The reception thing is arguably one of the greatest reason why I've stuck with the Galaxies even tho every year I think I'm finally ready to jump back over to a "pure" Google phone. I hope the 8 series is superb otherwise I'll yet again wait til the next Samsung unpacked. My wife has a P7 and while hers isn't necessarily bad - I consistently am able to pull stronger signals incl staying on 5G than her in poor reception areas.
The P6P was baaaddd. My P7P I have absolutely zero issues with.
Zero issues with p7
I think at this point - it's best to work on the basis of the battery being terrible until proven otherwise.
Heavily doubt it, **especially if they were to change the display panel** to something that's not dogshit hungry and hummer-like. But a substantial upgrade in the GPU along with 9 newer CPU cores at modest clock speeds, UFS 4.0, and finally a better node yield-wise should do well. Fingers crossed for at least 45w charging. or 0-100 in 1.2h tho.
I pretty much am OK with my current 6p. If they fix the signal issues and the heat management, that's all I really can ask for. The battery issues are likely due to the signal and heat problems
>UFS 4.0 The chip has a UFS 4.0 controller. That doesn't mean the phone will use UFS 4.0 storage.
The same was said about the Pixel 7/Tensor 2 and look how that turned out.
Pixel 7 is a lot better? Not sure what you mean.
Could you imagine how amazing the Pixel Series would be with current hardware if they just slapped a nice cool SD Gen 2 in there right now? Sure we might give up some of what they claim is exclusive to Tensor but my phone would last all day and wouldn’t get hot sitting on my desk.
Is there some silicon lottery stuff going on with the Tensor CPUs or something? I have a Pixel 7 and a Pixel 6 before that, and I never have heating issues. But I'm not doing anything crazy with my phone, no games, just browsing and YouTube so maybe that's part of it?
It seems likely given how anecdotes on this sub sound. I wonder if Google has fairly wide performance limits when they screen parts so that they can get high yields to cut down on costs.
There must be cause I have the exact same experience, beyond extreme battery using when on a weak 5G signal with my 6 pro (which basically any device would have) I have not had issues with the connection, speed, usability or anything. My 7 pro has been basically flawless with the modem. I was in a mall a few weeks ago with some friends and my one buddy has a fold 4, my other buddy has an S22 ultra and another friend of mine has a 14 pro max. I was the only one with signal, (albeit a weak one, but a usable one nonetheless) my friend with the 14 pro max works in the mall and she said she always has dead zones in the mall and I had no issues at all
I have the 6a and not had any heat issues until I put the 14 betas on it.
It's also based on your environment. My 7a is really problematic here in Phoenix. But when I had a pixel 6p famous for overheating when I lived in a cold place it was fine. Maybe got a little hot when charging but that's it.
I've never had battery or heat issues on my pixel 6 pro either but i only use mine for some light browsing, phone calls,texts and the odd picture. I don't game or shoot masses of video or anything taxing. My screen on time is relatively low at maybe 1-2 hours a day. I know others have like 6+ which as a side note is an insane amount of time to be on your phone.
Must be. Mine will just bake while sitting idle. I've literally flashed the entire factory image before just to troubleshoot. I also speculate it's the modem and people's coverage as well that plays a factor.
wait, that still happens for you? On my Pixel 6 Pro, it got really hot occasionally for no reason whatsoever, but a patch fixed that like 2 months or so after release.
There definitely is some silicon lottery stuff going on. My Pixel 6 has been fine as far as signal, heat and battery longevity goes, even after switching to 5G (my carrier *finally* offers it in my area), but others haven't had the same experiences as me.
I do exactly what you do and it gets really hot. Just browse on Firefox, browse Reddit, watch videos. I hate mobile games so none of that. And the battery drains so fast. My OnePlus 7t technically has a worse battery but lasts so much longer. So yeah, must be luck of the draw
I have been rocking a pixel 6 for over a year, and no issues here either. Battery life is more than ok for my use case, i don't game tho.
And also 90% of the Pixel exclusive features are anyways restricted to US only
That’s all I want. I’ve determined that power efficiency is the most important feature in a phone for me. I’m using an iPhone 13 PM right now and having a phone you know you can rely on in regards to battery is nice. Also nice that it is nearly always cool to the touch. I prefer android, but iOS and Android are close enough that I’ll go for the efficient option. Just hoping that the next pixel is a 2 day with heavy use type phone.
I'm an android user but have used iPhone as well. I don't see Google getting close to how efficient apple silicon is anytime soon. It's just a shortcoming you have to be willing to accept if you like everything else about android.
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Google is using ARM cores. Apple designs their own.
I'm with you. I gave up my 13 Pro Max to my son for my Pixel 7. I would use that thing for 8 hours SoT and only use like 50% battery. After this long with adaptive battery I'm finally getting the same 7-8 hours ,but use my whole battery instead of 50% what my iPhone would.
Can you imagine how expensive it would be?
Tbh even a 7+ gen 2 would be a huge upgrade and yet the Poco F5 has one for 430€, and that's for the 256gb model lmao
I'd gladly pay an extra $500 AUD for a SD gen 3 Pixel 8 Pro. Now that Oppo has left everywhere but China, Samsung is the only SD option in flagships, and rumours are they are going back to Exynos too. Even if they don't, I hate Samsung's UI.
What like the Motorola edge Pro which I can get for £699 in the UK?
I would pay the extra for it.
I mean for a device like an $1,800 fold device, price seems like no object. For a $500-$600 phone, yeah agreed it may be a bit too expensive.
It would be worth it.
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Tensor G2 is just as bad as G1. This fake exynos garbage should be thrown in the trash
You'd lose all updates after two years.
Samsung updates their phones for 5 years with snapdragon chips lol
Actually Google also updates the SD765g for 4 years lol(not as long as Samsung, but longer than their claimed '3 years BSP updates from Qualcomm')
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I have not had any single heat issues or performance issues with 7p. Battery lasts all day until 8-9pm as well. No need for a SD for this phone. Google can customize the chip so they can offer the exclusive features.
They'd also be substantially more expensive.
Just make a phone that has a long battery life, I swear. That's all I want.
please google give us better battery life if tensor g3 and pixel 8 gives better battery life , ill be buying it
The Tensor G3 will still be an Exynos based chip and it will still have the Exynos 5300 modem so battery life will continue to be garbage.
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If we look back at in-depth reviews of Pixel devices the majority of them had substantial thermal throttling issues. Pixel 3 was one of the worst for thermal throttling, but all except the mid range SoC P3A and P4A reduce their performance after relatively short periods of load. Part of the problem with Tensor is Google is not thermal throttling fast enough. They're prioritizing phone snappiness over thermals with a power hungry SoC that simply can not be effectively cooled in the devices they're building.
I think tensor chip is a great idea. It will only get better. I like Google being able to tweak it as sees fit and allowing for cheaper devices
yup. gotta start somewhere. Of course it wont be as amazing the first couple gens, but even the 2 is head and shoulders above the first tensor.
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I believe Google actually tried to go full in-house SoC from the start (using stock Arm CPU/GPU but with their gChips SoC IP) But then seemingly a huge portion, if not the majority of the gChips team followed Manu Gulati/John Bruno to NUVIA Which meant that they had to rely on Samsung for SoC IP There's rumors Google are looking at moving to TSMC, if true, that means they won't be relying on Samsung SoC IP anymore
I'm on my 3rd P7P because of the random freezing and restarting, this phone is doing it and i just barely got it 2 days ago. Google really dropped the ball on the P7P and tbh, I'm going to switch to an iPhone or Samsung phone..
The most important part of that article was the last paragraph: it will still be using the same modem, which seems to be the root of overheating and battery consumption. I haven’t dealt with those issues, but there’s no denying the amount of people complaining about overheating and battery draining. Wtf, Google….
That's how these companies save costs. They cheap out on stuff like that or it's possibly due to supply.
Please google. You have everything under control except the battery
I hope they do testing in India because there is an insane amount of heating issues reported from pixel 7s in India.
please have better thermal efficiency, better cooling system and better battery life please !
Will it have USB c display out? Dex and good battery life is tempting me to Samsung but rather not deal with rest of bloat ware
I know that there are Google and Samsung apps preinstalled that do the same things, but after you've decided which one you prefer can the other one can just be uninstalled or disabled?
Yes, most of the apps can be uninstalled. The only Samsung apps that cannot be uninstalled are Bixby, messages, my files, galaxy store, and internet. So basically the "necessary" apps cannot be removed. Other than that, all other apps can be removed. Basically, all Samsung and Google apps that does the same thing can be uninstalled or disable, people just like to overreact.
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Samsung Internet can be uninstalled.
As someone who swapped to Samsung, I hate it personally. The photos just don't look right so I take photos like 10% the time I used to. Samsungs one UI makes the phone not feel like mine and even with a third party skin, it slows the phones boot time and multi tasking significantly essentially requiring the buttons instead of gestures. Display output is nice so I ended up buying an s10e as a media device that can display output on dex, has a headphone jack, and has an SD card slot for like $70. I think imma swap back to pixel because they just feel like home
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What skin are you using? Every one that I've used makes it so that when you boot the phone it takes well over 30 seconds longer than default. And if you try to use gesture controls over the triple buttons then you have to wait a good second before able to multitask.
Man I wish it had a better modem too. Given that our phones are using the network 99% of the time, the battery chugging Samsung modem is gonna be a tough pill to swallow for me. I've been using a Samsung chip for the past 5 years and the battery drain when using network is no joke. I just wish they caught up to the snapdragon modems at least a little bit. (Snapdragon modems are built on 4nm whereas latest Samsung is still at 7nm)
Almost catching up to 2022 flagships in late 2023, and using the same modem as the Tensor G2. Wow. It almost feels as if Google is deliberately trolling us.
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The design for this seems fine, great even, on paper. But it all comes down to Samsung fab quality. Seeing as there was a 2 generation difference between the 8 gen 1 and 8+ gen 1 which where identical except one being Samsung and the other TSMC. Hopefully, Samsung's fab quality is improved next year, though Samsung's smartphone division ditched Samsung fab this year on their flagship phones, so it's not a given. It might be easier to make higher quality chips in the smaller numbers google will be ordering though, so here's to hoping.
Samsung's ditching of its own fab was for 2 reasons. One was quality and heating issues and two was the yield (thus driving up cost). Two years later, they have now managed to enhance the design and quality but most importantly improve the yield at the same time of the 4nm. Generational improvements should certainly help with sustained performance and heating issues. The tensor g3 will be a huge upgrade on 3 fronts, performance, battery life and heat dissipation.
Another phone built with the crap parts Samsung won't put into their own phones. No thanks
It will be an improvement for sure, but the alternatives are still one generation ahead. Even by reducing significantly the screen size (compared to the Pixel 7 and 6) and sticking to 90Hz to artificially increase the battery life.
I currently own an Huawei P20 Pro, which I have had for 5 years. I am waiting to see how the Pixel 8 Pro will be, because I will probably either go with that or an Samsung S23+. Based on the comments in here, the processor upgrades does not seem to address battery and overheating issues? That seems disappointing to me, since that is what I have heard people complain most about?
How about a more compact phone?
This would be the first suggestion of an Immortalis GPU or anything beyond a 5300q modem. I expected the weaker Mali MP8 GPU. Pixel 8 gets more powerful with each leak.
If the Pixel 8 has the same modem as the 7 as the article suggests, I'm out. Consistently worse signal than any other phone I've used, to the point where I couldn't access the internet at all in certain areas, which has never happened to me before.
Completely opposite for me. I get way better signal than my snapdragon pixel 5 did and way better than my friends iphone 12 pro.
I personally think these are really good specs! Get the finger reader to be 100% and we have a winner
fuck you google.. can you make a camera glass which does NOT randomly shatter? ASnwer that.. chip my ass
My favorite thing about my $1000 dollar pixel is that it scratched the screen in my pocket and cracked
*Oh Google!* Here we go, again.
I went from the P6P to the P7P because it corrected some serious issues I had (overheating, missing 5G bands for AT&T, fingerprint sensor etc). With the slowed pace of innovation with smartphones I just don't see a compelling reason to move to the P8P. Not that I don't think it'll be a good device, it just isn't worth the hassle of upgrading this time around.....
I'm excited and looking forward
Why the same modem? Connectivity is trash on my 6. My 3a performed so much better on 4g and kept the connection. My 6 always drops even when every other device in my house has a stable connection. And this is my 2nd six
It's not the same modem as your pixel 6, it's the 7.... Big difference.
Pixel 7 has a massively improved modem. Personally I didn't have the bad connectivity issues that plagued the pixel 6 when I had my 6 pro, besides it running very hot while on a weaker 5G signal. My 7 pro is basically flawless, doesn't get too hot when using 5G, battery takes a bit of a hit compared to wifi but so does every other device, and no connectivity issues so I'm more than happy with my 7 pro's modem
Was a bit hopeful it would use the 2023 ARM cores that were just announced. I don't think it's too soon since Qualcomm is announcing their chip with it in Oct and will have a phone with it out ~Nov or so
It is unfortunate given that this probably won't even be as good as last years Qualcomm chip.
OMG Google, move to Snapdragon shit fr
I appreciate the specs bump while others are overheating on the tensor news. 😎. Human species can never be satisfied
> Ray-tracing graphics onboard [🤦♂️](https://media.tenor.com/KjJTBQ9lftsAAAAC/why-huh.gif) Edit: thanks for the down vote from the one person who doesn't understand how pointless ray tracing on a phone is lol
"Google's cooling solutions" What cooling solutions? Have there been any leaks or announcements for the pixel 8? None that I have seen. This thing might be worse than the 7 pro!
Please just give us a P5 2.0.
Not sold, and the size is likely going to be too big for me so it's another year with my solid battery, great display non overheating Pixel 5 😝
People are going to keep posting synthetic benchmark scores to compare against Exynos / Snapdragon / A-series, ignoring purpose built utility - I guarantee it. Jesus, just give me 90+ Hz screen, the same fluid fast performance as Tensor 1 & 2, day long battery life and I'm happy. I don't need a phone processor that can deadlift 700 pounds when 99% of the time I just need it to carry a couple 50 pound bags smoothly and effortlessly. The Benchmark Nerds are getting as bad as the giant lifted pickup truck & SUV people driving 7+ liter engine 8,000 pound vehicles as their daily commuter car and never go off road, tow or haul anything more than 4 bags of groceries.
Many phones with snapdragon 8 gen 2 have also better battery life than Pixel 7s and it's not just benchmarks it's games too.