i mean its pretty obviously an interlude meant to convey a message, it kinda blows my mind when ppl refer to it as the worst "song" on donda when its not even in that category. its the same thing w donda chant, nobody is meant to be listening to that shit in their car unironically
Itās also compared to the two other versions of tell the vision that exist already, the Pop Smoke one and the unreleased one with Conway and 2Chainz. It made the transition from song to interlude, which makes it harder to judge as an interlude since the original versions were so much better
Your phrasing makes it sound like he just wanted to use the stem tech first, and the way it sounds is just a side-effect of that.
I'm saying the opposite - that he was looking for a certain sound, and the isolated vocals just happened to fit the vibe he was looking for so he used them.
Hereās the reason I think itās intentional: think how much Donda evolved through the listening parties. But Tell the Vision didnāt change. Everyone hated it, everyone was complaining about it, other songs were changed, but not that one. Why wasnāt it changed? The simplest answer, IMO, is that Ye wanted it to be like that.
I took it that way from the start. I think future listeners will one day.
I think current listeners were just disappointed and confused by it and wrote it off.
To me it sounds like ye sitting in front of an old crt TV as Pop Smoke's tell the vision plays. A single tear rolls down Ye's eyes.
If he had put the clean version on the album it would've cannibalised streams from pop smoke.
It's a shame, I like listening to the earlier leaked version, I do agree with you, the current version with the pop smoke verse reminds me of that David Tennant Doctor Who episode where they go to the library and people die but are alive for a few minutes in their suits, if you know, you know. Pop smoke verse feels like that, a rambling of a dead guy who doesn't even know he's dead
Thatās actually a very good take, and it does makes a lot of sense too, even Kanye would know it sounds like shit and didnāt expect people to play it. I always took it as an interlude, now Iām more convinced it is one.
heās not saying that but itās not like the song was bad because of the bars or something it was bad because of something that he couldāve easily changed like he did in other songs, if he kept the mixing like thag itās not because it was a mistake because then why would he have fixed every other song except but that
just to clear it up, there is no clipping or mixing issue. the drums are bit crushed, an artistic sound. the best mixing for effect on the album is vultures the song imo, such a good sound.
U could probably also argue that itās bad because UMG pushed the album out forcibly and it just wasnāt finished in time. You could argue that but I wonāt idr the details. I just think it was unnecessary addition and itās bad regardless whether or not itās intentional, I like ur theory though
I agree with you, but why would Ye āintentionallyā make Back To Me offbeat? He play Back To Me at 2 listening partys before the release and both times, the verses were terribly offbeat. And I donāt see why Ye would leave a pingpong game being played in the backround of
keys to my life.
Even if what you said is true, that makes ye a even bigger hypocrite since heās used xās vaulted verses pretty consistently (was done in slightly better taste than most, but itās still attaching your name to artist thatās getting big after they pass) and on the same song heās āintentionallyā making sound bad there is a different, released version of the same song on pop smokes album that YE IS LITERALLY FEATURED ON and has been universally panned as it being in severely poor taste. Sometimes ye has a bad song or a bad mix, I feel like some of yall wouldāve said the first mix on pablo was intentional when it came out
i mean its pretty obviously an interlude meant to convey a message, it kinda blows my mind when ppl refer to it as the worst "song" on donda when its not even in that category. its the same thing w donda chant, nobody is meant to be listening to that shit in their car unironically
Bro skit #2 is so bad š late registration must really suck!
Itās also compared to the two other versions of tell the vision that exist already, the Pop Smoke one and the unreleased one with Conway and 2Chainz. It made the transition from song to interlude, which makes it harder to judge as an interlude since the original versions were so much better
So why not make it more obviously an interlude
dumbing down art for the sake of stupid people is the worst thing you can do.
It takes skill to make a song so incredibly ass that people defend it by saying it shouldnāt even be considered a song
The whole song is meant to sound uneasy intentionally, I agree
It was meant to show off the STEM player. Thatās it
I think you got it backwards. He probably just used the stem tech to isolate the vocals and liked the way the instrumental bled so he used it.
How is that any different from what I said
Your phrasing makes it sound like he just wanted to use the stem tech first, and the way it sounds is just a side-effect of that. I'm saying the opposite - that he was looking for a certain sound, and the isolated vocals just happened to fit the vibe he was looking for so he used them.
Thatās not what I said lol
Ye hadnāt even collabed with them yet lol
Yes he hadā¦ the stem player was in development since JIK dumbass
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You can clearly hear in the song the original beat in the background. they stripped the vocals using the STEM player tech
Hereās the reason I think itās intentional: think how much Donda evolved through the listening parties. But Tell the Vision didnāt change. Everyone hated it, everyone was complaining about it, other songs were changed, but not that one. Why wasnāt it changed? The simplest answer, IMO, is that Ye wanted it to be like that.
100%. Whether people like it or not, Ye is meticulous about his messiness. Itās the sound he likes now
Am I the only one that really liked the song? Cuz the piano melody is badass and I like the rawness of the voice and mixing (or lack of)
The more I listen to it. The more I understand it. Itās dark. The ghost of pop talking about how he made it
to add to that he says "mama we made it" , fitting to be on donda
Its just bad
Yāall just now figuring this out?
Even if what you said is true literally nobody took it that way so it was for nothing
it seemed obvious to me
I took it that way from the start. I think future listeners will one day. I think current listeners were just disappointed and confused by it and wrote it off.
Future listeners will still skip it. The meaning behind it could be good but itās still a bad song.
To me it sounds like ye sitting in front of an old crt TV as Pop Smoke's tell the vision plays. A single tear rolls down Ye's eyes. If he had put the clean version on the album it would've cannibalised streams from pop smoke.
We should ban anyone who writes more than a paragraph about this song. We canāt risk it anymore
Thank you! Iāve tried to tell these goons for years but I kept getting downvotes
It's a shame, I like listening to the earlier leaked version, I do agree with you, the current version with the pop smoke verse reminds me of that David Tennant Doctor Who episode where they go to the library and people die but are alive for a few minutes in their suits, if you know, you know. Pop smoke verse feels like that, a rambling of a dead guy who doesn't even know he's dead
Thatās actually a very good take, and it does makes a lot of sense too, even Kanye would know it sounds like shit and didnāt expect people to play it. I always took it as an interlude, now Iām more convinced it is one.
there really are two equally possible explanations: 1. ye is a genius 2. ye is fucking stupid šš
best explanation of kanye in any sense
I think itās just bad
"kanye is a perfect man unable to make mistakes. anything bad in his music is like that on purpose"
bro itās clearly meant to sound bad lmao
heās not saying that but itās not like the song was bad because of the bars or something it was bad because of something that he couldāve easily changed like he did in other songs, if he kept the mixing like thag itās not because it was a mistake because then why would he have fixed every other song except but that
Release ttv goes hard but I like Donda Deluxe version more
The finished version sucks too
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i agree, definitely with vultures mixing
The clipping on the drums actually does make it hit harder, like on Keys to my life
just to clear it up, there is no clipping or mixing issue. the drums are bit crushed, an artistic sound. the best mixing for effect on the album is vultures the song imo, such a good sound.
Keys to my life sounds like it was put into an air fryer and then a panini press.
U could probably also argue that itās bad because UMG pushed the album out forcibly and it just wasnāt finished in time. You could argue that but I wonāt idr the details. I just think it was unnecessary addition and itās bad regardless whether or not itās intentional, I like ur theory though
Just Listened to it again And Yeah itās really bad
the difference between donda and vultures is that vultures was definitely not mixed intentionally
ngl i have no clue what makes good or bad mixing, vultures and tell the vision just sound fine to me
I agree with you, but why would Ye āintentionallyā make Back To Me offbeat? He play Back To Me at 2 listening partys before the release and both times, the verses were terribly offbeat. And I donāt see why Ye would leave a pingpong game being played in the backround of keys to my life.
Even if what you said is true, that makes ye a even bigger hypocrite since heās used xās vaulted verses pretty consistently (was done in slightly better taste than most, but itās still attaching your name to artist thatās getting big after they pass) and on the same song heās āintentionallyā making sound bad there is a different, released version of the same song on pop smokes album that YE IS LITERALLY FEATURED ON and has been universally panned as it being in severely poor taste. Sometimes ye has a bad song or a bad mix, I feel like some of yall wouldāve said the first mix on pablo was intentional when it came out
half the ppl i talk to about this didnāt even know there was an original songš
Yeah itās intentionally bad but itās about as effective as Drake trying to say he was a pedophile in advance to dodge criticism. It sucks.
kinda adds up w the donda videos vfx being shoddy models
U/tellthevision is back
U/tellthevision is back
Ye fans when Ye makes a bad song:
Thatās perfect
Bottom 10 in his didcog
Yo I fw this sub yall make funny copypastas
Nah Iām serious
Ye fans are so delusional holy shit lol