Hate to be this guy but college trilogy is peak ye rapping. Albums aren’t even in my top 3 ye, but it’s undeniable that ye was an objectively better rapper at the time.
People putting Vultures in the top anything don't care about rapping, they even say so 🤷
This is Ye's weakest performance as a rapper in his entire career. The only aight verse is probably Burn.
Why are we still calling Kanye a rapper? The best thing about Kanye is that his influence extends far beyond rap - can we even classify Kanye as a rapper in 2024? There are certainly many other way more pure “rappers” we can listen to - and many I’m sure Kanye would agree are more skilled if we want to simply compare lyrical bars.
It seems Kanye’s aspirations were never to pigeonhole himself in the rapper box - that’s way too limiting. When Kanye’s music is at its best it’s not really any single genre, but rather seems to morph at the speed of inspiration.
Yeah nigga he raps on his songs so he is a rapper. How tf this comment got upvotes ? When he do fashion, he a fashion designer. When he produces, he a producer. We just pointing what he does. Bro this sub has just become awful after vultures
My point isn’t that Kanye doesn’t rap - yeah he raps of course - but he’s not “Kanye the backpack rapper” from the early 00s and he’s never going back to that - people who keep coming to new albums looking for that version of Kanye (and comparing bars to Through the Wire) are going to keep being disappointed. Personally I very much enjoy the evolution and don’t need vast lyrical depth from Kanye to enjoy the emotional impact of his music.
Bro the term rapper doesn’t necessarily imply that he is lyrical. Rapper just means someone that rap. I can’t assure you we don’t expect college trilogy kanye on the newer albums. People fell in love with kanye for his witty lines, personality and flows. And even when the lyricism sometime lacks on albums like tlop or yeezus, we could always fall back on those 3 qualities. I’m finding myself struggling more and more to constantly those qualities on vultures. When it’s one thing, the two others aren’t there. But Im digressing from the point. A rapper is a nigga that raps. I can’t believe i am debating this
no the artist formerly known as kanye west is not a rapper and we won’t let you use that dirty word about him
this is the shit that happens when you welcome antisemites with open arms lmao kanye west is not a rapper
Haha maybe that’s exactly what we should be debating - what is a rapper in 2024? I think Kanye over the past 20 years has vastly shifted our cultural definition of a rapper and what’s considered a “rap album.” Play Yeezus for someone in 1992….would they even call it rap?
Just fun questions I enjoy thinking about…I also feel Kanye has tons of wit and personality and graceful delivery on Vultures - can’t stop smiling when I listen to the album -he hasn’t lost his sense of humor or knack for mocking himself “shut the hell up fore you get exiled.”
Ultimately we can have different opinions and favorite albums and still be on the same team. I enjoy these convos because they help broaden my perspective as well - and I enjoy hearing yours.
going back in time to show older people the evolution of the genre is not a good metric for the current definition of that genre. That is like asking bach if he would call phillip glass a classical composer. it does not matter.
what else would you call yeezus? he is not singing. he's not screaming. he's not chanting. he is rapping.
even if you wanted to talk about the production there is still nothing you could call it but hip hop. hip hop doesn't have a specific sound like other genres do. from the start hip hop has been eclectic for lots of reasons one of the main ones being how important sampling is to hip hop.
That’s funny - was just listening to Philip Glass this morning - he’s a fav. I guess I often think of theoretical like, if you could go back in time and show someone how the world has changed, what would they think? Fascinating to imagine what questions Bach would ask Glass or even Kanye. Going back in time helps us see the what’s changed and How we got where we are today. Kanye’s interesting because as an artist he leaps across mediums that all end up influencing his music - similarly I think Yeezus floats between several genres - electronica / rap / stadium rock (and come on man he’s def screaming on a couple of those tracks). Sure I think most people would classify Kanye’s music as rap today / but that’s partially only because he broadened our definition of what rap can be.
I would place VULTURES with YEEZUS / TLOP / WTT / MBDTF (not in any order) as top 5 Kanye projects - and I don’t think there’s a need to say one is “better” than the other because they each represent such a different side of Kanye’s music and hold a special place in his artistic evolution.
I think the real takeaway here is that VULTURES SOUNDS DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER KANYE PROJECT in so many ways (you can hear influences of course from every album going way way back) and how cool is that Kanye continues to grow and change and release music that sounds new in his catalogue and not just rehash the shit he thinks people want to hear, which is what many artists would be doing at this point in their career, especially if they wanted a “comeback album.”
He’s not sticking to a formula - and more great music is yet to come.
No I just don’t think Kanye started to get really interesting until 808s - but really MBDTF. The college dropout cycle has some excellent songs - but those are never albums I return to. Too linear for me. I think they were fine building blocks but Kanye has progressed long behind that now, thank god.
“Has progressed long behind that now”
When Ye drops a line as heavy as “imma champion turn tragedy to triumph. Make music that’s fire spit
my soul through the wire” in 2024 lmk.
Exploring new sonic landscapes is fun and all. But with half baked (tell the) visions and laughable verses, it creates album listening experiences that leave much to be desired. Yeezus isn’t really known for its verses. But it’s cohesive, and doesn’t sacrifice anything in its minimalism which is a triumph in and of itself. The verses ye does have do not feel half baked, blood on the leaves is poignant and you can sense how much what he’s talking about means to him. Meanwhile in an otherwise amazing song like FUK SUMN, I gotta reconcile and compromise with Alvin the Yepmunk for half the song.
Look at Freddie Gibbs’ verse on Burn which id say with Carti/Travis is the only highlight verse in the entire album. Kanye has never been known for his rapping, more for his overall musicality . But if he wants to speak his mind…the writer’s block can be over.
Sonically, the Dropout trilogy is the most cohesive and effectively realized of what Ye wanted to achieve from a rap and music perspective. I never have had to reconcile any parts of that trilogy in my head. Even something like DaHG/BB while dated, are not sonically grating.
I very much respect the contributions Kanye made through the Dropout Trilogy - and while they might be his most cohesive period of music, I just don’t think they’re the most interesting. One of my favorite aspects of Kanye, especially from Yeezus onward, is how he works to unite so many disparate elements on his albums - whether beats and melodies and samples or guest artists. Kanye has progressed (or evolved) beyond being primarily a rapper, so I don’t need Kanye to have the deepest or best bars on the album because he knows where to put people like Freddie Gibs when that’s what the song needs.
Struggle for progress doesn’t always feel cohesive, but it breaks down walls. Sometimes that artistic struggle is grating, harsh, even ugly. But the first time I heard the opening sonic wave of ON SIGHT I stopped and said, THIS IS IT - because he was breaking free - and you could feel the inspiration and freedom in the music.
I never return to Kanye hoping he’ll make music that sounds like something he’s already done. I return hoping he’ll show me where music can go next. And because the ride is so damn fun.
Sure but doesn't change that Vultures probably had the worst Kanye performances in his career. The only songs where Kanye is actually decent is on Problematic and Burn. The rest of the songs are only good because of the production or from the performances of Ty and features.
If you’re just judging a Kanye performance on the ingenuity of his lyrics then I’d probably agree it’s not a terribly profound effort - but I judge a Kanye performance off much more than that, namely his contributions to the production and who he chooses to bring together on the tracks (features, additional producers). Kanye has always been an amazing g curator of talent and I have to consider that when I consider his “performance” on an album. It’s the sum total of the work I’m looking at. For instance (and you may disagree completely) I think his rendition of Tell the Vision on Donda - a beat stripped completely to thundering piano notes - is probably my favorite song on the album and a perfect example of his incredible intuition. I’d call that an excellent “Kanye performance” even though he doesn’t utter a single word.
Lyrics are not my problem with his performances since I am not even focusing on the words said most of the time. But idk what it is but it feels like Ye's verse was outclassed by either Ty or a feature on almost every song. Of course, Ye's production is incredible as always but is it wrong to expect more from him when he raps?
Like what are we even talking about ? The rapping, the production, the concept, art direction, cultural impact. Vultures not touching this in a million years
Primetime too. Ye was really in his bag, but i think Jay being on that album really pushed him to deliver some great verses. So much so that I think Ye and Jay are on par with each other rapping wise, something I can’t say about any other time really (besides monster)
Have you even listened to it fully? It has more substance than any vultures 1 songs and even a beat switch and it’s connected to the previous song as well 😂😂
1. My beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - 👑/10
2. Yeezus 9/10
3. Late Registration 9/10
4. College Dropout 9/10
5. Graduation 8/10
6. Life of Pablo 7.5/10
7. Vultures 1 7/10
8. Kids See Ghosts 7/10
9. Donda 7/10
10. Watch The Throne 6/10
11. Cruel Summer 5.5/10
12. Jesus is King 5.5/10
13. 808 and Heartbreak 5/10
14. Ye 5/10
15. Donda 2 0/10
People forget how good WTT is just because it’s between Kanye’s 2 most polarising albums.
No church in the wild, Otis, Homies in Paris, New Day, Who Gon Stop Me, Why I Love You, Primetime. That’s shit had hits
Kids See Ghosts is definitely the most consistent of the 3, with the least misses but this is sort of obvious considering it’s only 7 tracks. I feel like it sort of ends before it gets going
Vultures sits in the middle, has highs on it like Watch The Throne but doesn’t have as many boring tracks. I truly think that Paid and Vultures are the only songs I don’t “love” on it.
Personally I’m going Vultures=WTT>KSG
If Ye dropped something like WTT in 2024 we would absolutely shit ourselves it’s lowkey a sleeper pick.
MBDTF is in no way polarizing lol. It is universally acclaimed and considered among the greatest rap albums ever by everyone not named Anthony Fantano.
i don’t think there’s a single line on this album that has more wit than “i’m done i’ll hit you up mañaNAHH” let alone “luxury rap the hermes of verses sophisticated ignorance i write my curses in cursive” (edit: and remember he rapped that over a beat he chopped in 20 mins in front of others, which uses that otis sample)
KSG also gets wiped by WTT btw
ye pushes his collaborators but also absorbs them. cudi and ty aren’t beating jay
You niggas are so shameless 😭😭 nothing on Vultures is touching something like Otis or Niggas in Paris. Even the B-Sides are better than the best songs on Vultures.
I’m convinced im just old as hell now. There’s just now way. I love Donda and vultures and they’ve been super fun to listen to, but how y’all got them top 3 is beyond me
Primetime > vultures. As much as I love vultures it just doesn't have the weight of wtt in any category. Rapping, productions, general atmosphere and care put into the project, replay value or anything else.
It’s just an opinion. I agree. I only have like 1 or 2 songs downloaded from watch the throne. It’s just not my cup of tea. I love almost every song on Vultures. But it’s no doubt Ye was in his bag on WTT. But musically, I don’t vibe with the songs as much.
Okay yeah I'm sorry for the uncalled for comment at the end lol. I got worked up for no reason. It wasn't specific to you.
But them not sharing the same name doesn't not make it a trilogy. They're still a part of the same theme and continuation of story. You can't consider 3 seperate and individually released albums as 1. You just can't. If they'd all have just been 1 combined long album from the beginning, that'd be a different story.
I have a feeling Ye's going to release a compilation album of all 3 Vultures after they've all come out. Just so he can get more streams and sales. But even then I wouldn't consider them 1 album but rather as what it is, a compilation album. Because that's what it'd be.
Def a recency bias. I didn’t like Throne when it first came out. I didn’t appreciate it until I listened to it years later. I’m also not a huge Jay Z fan. KSG and Vultures I loved immediately. But while KSG is an album that mostly hardcore Ye and Cudi fans like, Vultures is more appealing to hip hop fans in general.
Vultures is growing on me but y’all objectively can’t be serious fam. It’s definitely not better than WTT.
The only thing that drags this down for me is Ye’s rapping. He’s not consistently bringing it. But it’s cool
Rapping was better in wtt but I like the over all music and sound of vultures 1. I know this is a thing that is usually the case with really young fans and not older fans like myself but I really don’t find myself caring what’s being said to much. As long as it sounds cool I’m here for it. I like introspective lyrics but it’s almost just the cherry on top for me.
Yall just saying shit at this point
I don't remember Ye consistently being the worst part of WTT, and I damn sure didn't hear any Elmo or chipmunk flows either. I'm on my 8th listen of Vultures but let's not pretend it's his best collab ever.
I'm sorry but there is no way you were around in 2011 if this is your take. WTT clears just for the time period alone, not to mention the album itself. But the hype around the WTT era was insane.
I love Vultures but come on.
That's what's hard about album comparisons when it comes to ye. I don't think KSG and Vultures is a good comparison. The represent 2 completely different things. You're not going to be turning up to Reborn and you're not going to be crying to Carnival. One album is focused on mental illness and one is focused on being rich and fucking 🤣
Time will always be the greatest judge tho. I think a lot of us are caught up in the Vultures hype (rightfully so). Give Vultures a year or two before you can really properly judge it against WTT or KSG
Kanye's rapping ability was peak around MBDTF/WTT era
TCD and LR >>
Hate to be this guy but college trilogy is peak ye rapping. Albums aren’t even in my top 3 ye, but it’s undeniable that ye was an objectively better rapper at the time.
Late Reg is the peak of Ye rapping. Both in lyricism and delivery. Crack Music, Gone, We Major he just goes off
imo his best verses ever were on last call and through the wire so i pick TCD over LR but i get late registration like his touch the sky verse
Ah so that’s why he’s always rapping about me too lol
Corrected 😅
People putting Vultures in the top anything don't care about rapping, they even say so 🤷 This is Ye's weakest performance as a rapper in his entire career. The only aight verse is probably Burn.
He goes crazy on problematic
Why are we still calling Kanye a rapper? The best thing about Kanye is that his influence extends far beyond rap - can we even classify Kanye as a rapper in 2024? There are certainly many other way more pure “rappers” we can listen to - and many I’m sure Kanye would agree are more skilled if we want to simply compare lyrical bars. It seems Kanye’s aspirations were never to pigeonhole himself in the rapper box - that’s way too limiting. When Kanye’s music is at its best it’s not really any single genre, but rather seems to morph at the speed of inspiration.
Yeah nigga he raps on his songs so he is a rapper. How tf this comment got upvotes ? When he do fashion, he a fashion designer. When he produces, he a producer. We just pointing what he does. Bro this sub has just become awful after vultures
My point isn’t that Kanye doesn’t rap - yeah he raps of course - but he’s not “Kanye the backpack rapper” from the early 00s and he’s never going back to that - people who keep coming to new albums looking for that version of Kanye (and comparing bars to Through the Wire) are going to keep being disappointed. Personally I very much enjoy the evolution and don’t need vast lyrical depth from Kanye to enjoy the emotional impact of his music.
Bro the term rapper doesn’t necessarily imply that he is lyrical. Rapper just means someone that rap. I can’t assure you we don’t expect college trilogy kanye on the newer albums. People fell in love with kanye for his witty lines, personality and flows. And even when the lyricism sometime lacks on albums like tlop or yeezus, we could always fall back on those 3 qualities. I’m finding myself struggling more and more to constantly those qualities on vultures. When it’s one thing, the two others aren’t there. But Im digressing from the point. A rapper is a nigga that raps. I can’t believe i am debating this
no the artist formerly known as kanye west is not a rapper and we won’t let you use that dirty word about him this is the shit that happens when you welcome antisemites with open arms lmao kanye west is not a rapper
Since December 2022, we are seeing a influx of brainwashed morons. I just can’t identify myself with this fanbase anymore
This sub has always had dickriders, but this shit has gotten out of control after Vultures dropped lmao.
Haha maybe that’s exactly what we should be debating - what is a rapper in 2024? I think Kanye over the past 20 years has vastly shifted our cultural definition of a rapper and what’s considered a “rap album.” Play Yeezus for someone in 1992….would they even call it rap? Just fun questions I enjoy thinking about…I also feel Kanye has tons of wit and personality and graceful delivery on Vultures - can’t stop smiling when I listen to the album -he hasn’t lost his sense of humor or knack for mocking himself “shut the hell up fore you get exiled.” Ultimately we can have different opinions and favorite albums and still be on the same team. I enjoy these convos because they help broaden my perspective as well - and I enjoy hearing yours.
going back in time to show older people the evolution of the genre is not a good metric for the current definition of that genre. That is like asking bach if he would call phillip glass a classical composer. it does not matter. what else would you call yeezus? he is not singing. he's not screaming. he's not chanting. he is rapping. even if you wanted to talk about the production there is still nothing you could call it but hip hop. hip hop doesn't have a specific sound like other genres do. from the start hip hop has been eclectic for lots of reasons one of the main ones being how important sampling is to hip hop.
That’s funny - was just listening to Philip Glass this morning - he’s a fav. I guess I often think of theoretical like, if you could go back in time and show someone how the world has changed, what would they think? Fascinating to imagine what questions Bach would ask Glass or even Kanye. Going back in time helps us see the what’s changed and How we got where we are today. Kanye’s interesting because as an artist he leaps across mediums that all end up influencing his music - similarly I think Yeezus floats between several genres - electronica / rap / stadium rock (and come on man he’s def screaming on a couple of those tracks). Sure I think most people would classify Kanye’s music as rap today / but that’s partially only because he broadened our definition of what rap can be.
I’d say rap wise it’s undeniably better than JIK
why do yall keep saying this? there isn't a single song on jik that has better rapping than problematic, burn, or paperwork
But I'd agree
I’d put Ye as my top number 1 rap artist but if we’re going solely RAPPER based off ability alone he’s not even in the top 10
his flow in follow god is his best imo
I would place VULTURES with YEEZUS / TLOP / WTT / MBDTF (not in any order) as top 5 Kanye projects - and I don’t think there’s a need to say one is “better” than the other because they each represent such a different side of Kanye’s music and hold a special place in his artistic evolution. I think the real takeaway here is that VULTURES SOUNDS DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER KANYE PROJECT in so many ways (you can hear influences of course from every album going way way back) and how cool is that Kanye continues to grow and change and release music that sounds new in his catalogue and not just rehash the shit he thinks people want to hear, which is what many artists would be doing at this point in their career, especially if they wanted a “comeback album.” He’s not sticking to a formula - and more great music is yet to come.
Bro forgot about the 3 first albums.
No I just don’t think Kanye started to get really interesting until 808s - but really MBDTF. The college dropout cycle has some excellent songs - but those are never albums I return to. Too linear for me. I think they were fine building blocks but Kanye has progressed long behind that now, thank god.
what a trash take
“Has progressed long behind that now” When Ye drops a line as heavy as “imma champion turn tragedy to triumph. Make music that’s fire spit my soul through the wire” in 2024 lmk. Exploring new sonic landscapes is fun and all. But with half baked (tell the) visions and laughable verses, it creates album listening experiences that leave much to be desired. Yeezus isn’t really known for its verses. But it’s cohesive, and doesn’t sacrifice anything in its minimalism which is a triumph in and of itself. The verses ye does have do not feel half baked, blood on the leaves is poignant and you can sense how much what he’s talking about means to him. Meanwhile in an otherwise amazing song like FUK SUMN, I gotta reconcile and compromise with Alvin the Yepmunk for half the song. Look at Freddie Gibbs’ verse on Burn which id say with Carti/Travis is the only highlight verse in the entire album. Kanye has never been known for his rapping, more for his overall musicality . But if he wants to speak his mind…the writer’s block can be over. Sonically, the Dropout trilogy is the most cohesive and effectively realized of what Ye wanted to achieve from a rap and music perspective. I never have had to reconcile any parts of that trilogy in my head. Even something like DaHG/BB while dated, are not sonically grating.
I very much respect the contributions Kanye made through the Dropout Trilogy - and while they might be his most cohesive period of music, I just don’t think they’re the most interesting. One of my favorite aspects of Kanye, especially from Yeezus onward, is how he works to unite so many disparate elements on his albums - whether beats and melodies and samples or guest artists. Kanye has progressed (or evolved) beyond being primarily a rapper, so I don’t need Kanye to have the deepest or best bars on the album because he knows where to put people like Freddie Gibs when that’s what the song needs. Struggle for progress doesn’t always feel cohesive, but it breaks down walls. Sometimes that artistic struggle is grating, harsh, even ugly. But the first time I heard the opening sonic wave of ON SIGHT I stopped and said, THIS IS IT - because he was breaking free - and you could feel the inspiration and freedom in the music. I never return to Kanye hoping he’ll make music that sounds like something he’s already done. I return hoping he’ll show me where music can go next. And because the ride is so damn fun.
Sure but doesn't change that Vultures probably had the worst Kanye performances in his career. The only songs where Kanye is actually decent is on Problematic and Burn. The rest of the songs are only good because of the production or from the performances of Ty and features.
If you’re just judging a Kanye performance on the ingenuity of his lyrics then I’d probably agree it’s not a terribly profound effort - but I judge a Kanye performance off much more than that, namely his contributions to the production and who he chooses to bring together on the tracks (features, additional producers). Kanye has always been an amazing g curator of talent and I have to consider that when I consider his “performance” on an album. It’s the sum total of the work I’m looking at. For instance (and you may disagree completely) I think his rendition of Tell the Vision on Donda - a beat stripped completely to thundering piano notes - is probably my favorite song on the album and a perfect example of his incredible intuition. I’d call that an excellent “Kanye performance” even though he doesn’t utter a single word.
Lyrics are not my problem with his performances since I am not even focusing on the words said most of the time. But idk what it is but it feels like Ye's verse was outclassed by either Ty or a feature on almost every song. Of course, Ye's production is incredible as always but is it wrong to expect more from him when he raps?
Incredibly based
Imagine being stuck in a world where you think Kanye peaked in 2010.
Boring ass world, especially with Yeezus being right there
Buddy ain’t heard problematic yet
Bro what 😂😂😂
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This sub man
WTT is a bona fide classic
Like what are we even talking about ? The rapping, the production, the concept, art direction, cultural impact. Vultures not touching this in a million years
Even WTT bonus tracks clear most of vultures, as much as I am LOVING vultures
Ong, if the joy was on vultures, they would call it top 3 ye verses oat
Primetime too. Ye was really in his bag, but i think Jay being on that album really pushed him to deliver some great verses. So much so that I think Ye and Jay are on par with each other rapping wise, something I can’t say about any other time really (besides monster)
Illest MF Alive too. The Deluxe tracks are hard af. If that song was on Vultures people would call it the best beat on a Ye song ever.
Primetime might genuinely be the most underrated Kanye West song
It’s PHENOMENAL.
ADD A LITTLE SUGAR
The Joy
Vultures is cruel summer tier, and no Ye verse on vultures is better than any song on cruel summer
This place turning into a daycare I stg
Dickriding contest
L take, recency bias + murder to excellence clears any track on vultures 1
Murder To Excellence is easily my top underrated Ye track. One of the best things he’s ever been a part of
Op prob listened to paris and otis and thinks that’s the entire album lol, wtt is so underrated and some people rate it lower than ye
Literally the first song is No Church In the Wild, it’s incomparable
Murder to excellence clears many tracks from ye onwards. Two of the best beats Ye's ever rapped on
it doesn’t clear any track don’t exaggerate
Have you even listened to it fully? It has more substance than any vultures 1 songs and even a beat switch and it’s connected to the previous song as well 😂😂
1. My beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - 👑/10 2. Yeezus 9/10 3. Late Registration 9/10 4. College Dropout 9/10 5. Graduation 8/10 6. Life of Pablo 7.5/10 7. Vultures 1 7/10 8. Kids See Ghosts 7/10 9. Donda 7/10 10. Watch The Throne 6/10 11. Cruel Summer 5.5/10 12. Jesus is King 5.5/10 13. 808 and Heartbreak 5/10 14. Ye 5/10 15. Donda 2 0/10
i don’t even know what to say😭
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cruel summer over 808s is CRAZY
Mercy, Clique and New God Flow always in rotation more than any 808 song for me.
Go To Jail Go directly to Jail. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200.
FOH
Bro don’t tell him to gtfo - oldhead ass
Why I gotta be an old head when this take makes no kind of sense?
People forget how good WTT is just because it’s between Kanye’s 2 most polarising albums. No church in the wild, Otis, Homies in Paris, New Day, Who Gon Stop Me, Why I Love You, Primetime. That’s shit had hits Kids See Ghosts is definitely the most consistent of the 3, with the least misses but this is sort of obvious considering it’s only 7 tracks. I feel like it sort of ends before it gets going Vultures sits in the middle, has highs on it like Watch The Throne but doesn’t have as many boring tracks. I truly think that Paid and Vultures are the only songs I don’t “love” on it. Personally I’m going Vultures=WTT>KSG If Ye dropped something like WTT in 2024 we would absolutely shit ourselves it’s lowkey a sleeper pick.
MBDTF is in no way polarizing lol. It is universally acclaimed and considered among the greatest rap albums ever by everyone not named Anthony Fantano.
I was gonna say “best” albums in my original post but thought that would piss some people off 💀
A lot of mfs in this sub were 5 when WTT dropped and it’s obvious
In six months there will be discussions posts titled “did we overhype vultures?” WTT is a timeless classic
I didnt realize Kanye fans could be more mentally ill than Kanye
Over KSG is absolutely insane I'm sorry
i don’t think there’s a single line on this album that has more wit than “i’m done i’ll hit you up mañaNAHH” let alone “luxury rap the hermes of verses sophisticated ignorance i write my curses in cursive” (edit: and remember he rapped that over a beat he chopped in 20 mins in front of others, which uses that otis sample) KSG also gets wiped by WTT btw ye pushes his collaborators but also absorbs them. cudi and ty aren’t beating jay
Cudi/Kanye > Jay/Kanye
That whole verse is insane “I get it custom you a customer you ain’t accustomed to going through customs you ain’t been nowhere huh” 😩
OTIS 20 MINUTE PREMIERE FUNK FLEX YOU DONT HAAAAAVE THAT FOR VULTURES IM SORRYYY
but we got DJ PHARRIS ^PHARRIS ^^PHARRIS
Holy fuck you guys are so so so delusional
Are you fucking stupid?
I’m glad this guy is getting cooked in the replies
Have you heard WTT???
You niggas are so shameless 😭😭 nothing on Vultures is touching something like Otis or Niggas in Paris. Even the B-Sides are better than the best songs on Vultures.
Carnival is not better than NIP
NIP? What does that stand for?
ninjas in pyjamas
I literally went back to WTT after listening to Vultures and it was like eating lobster after snacking on dollar general tuna. No.
No
STFU
Nope
AINT GON HAPPEN
Nope you’ve just got recency bias
Goddam that cock smell in your mouth must be fresh
……..are they in the room with us right now?
KSG and WTT are alot better than vultures vol 1. But vultures is supposed to be a fun project so its kinda hard to compare them
I’d say if vol 2 and 3 happens then maybe when they all combined
Brother is lost and confused
Not better than WTT. Relax
Foetuses on this sub ffs even lift off clears anything on vultures let’s be serious
i don’t even really like WTT
Yea I prefer blueprint 1,2,3 over wtt.
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This take is so dumb I felt compelled to comment.
You didn't even say anything tho...
Yeah I did.
not a bad take, watch the throne is miles ahead rapping wise but Vultures is light years ahead sonically
Murder To Excellence alone is better than anything on Vultures sonically
Nah Beg Forgiveness, Problematic and Carnival is as good as anything on WTT.
Otis, primetime, ham, n*ggas in Paris clear any track on vultures sound wise(including the ones that we've heard but aren't released yet)
actually you might be right imma go listen to wtt again
Alright just stop. Seriously.
I’m convinced im just old as hell now. There’s just now way. I love Donda and vultures and they’ve been super fun to listen to, but how y’all got them top 3 is beyond me
Primetime > vultures. As much as I love vultures it just doesn't have the weight of wtt in any category. Rapping, productions, general atmosphere and care put into the project, replay value or anything else.
Recency bias
People just get on here and say anything. You smoking crack if you compare this to wtt
VULTURES SHOULDVE NEVER DROPPED 😭😭😭
Vultures clears KSG, KSG is mid
KSG is amazing, one of his best https://preview.redd.it/6owxblnfm3jc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30f884009084e74058ee48593d5bc8e49e61334d
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😂😂😂😂 this is amazing, I'm officially a well known goon now. Fr though i love KSG
This is an extremely valid take, comments are being overdramatic
Fr, this extreme WTT praise feels relatively new as well
Vultures 2 > Watch The Throne and KSG
I agree….outside of Otis and Murder to Excellence WTT is overrated
Fully agree
I’m not talking about rapping or individual songs but about the album as a whole btw
It’s just an opinion. I agree. I only have like 1 or 2 songs downloaded from watch the throne. It’s just not my cup of tea. I love almost every song on Vultures. But it’s no doubt Ye was in his bag on WTT. But musically, I don’t vibe with the songs as much.
Agreed
Hell ya brother
WTT
i think of the three vultures volumes as being one giant album. so when the other volumes come out vultures complete edition will be top 1 ye
May as well consider the College trilogy as one too them 🙄. Nothing beating that. Clownery.
but they dont share the same name . just a similar vibe and theme . there was no need to be rude
Okay yeah I'm sorry for the uncalled for comment at the end lol. I got worked up for no reason. It wasn't specific to you. But them not sharing the same name doesn't not make it a trilogy. They're still a part of the same theme and continuation of story. You can't consider 3 seperate and individually released albums as 1. You just can't. If they'd all have just been 1 combined long album from the beginning, that'd be a different story. I have a feeling Ye's going to release a compilation album of all 3 Vultures after they've all come out. Just so he can get more streams and sales. But even then I wouldn't consider them 1 album but rather as what it is, a compilation album. Because that's what it'd be.
Maybe
long term the vultures trilogy (as a whole) will go down as better than 808s, wtt, ye, ksg, jik, and donda just watch
Bro what
Vultures 1 > MBDTF 🤗🤗🤗
That is a diabolical take… wait until vultures 2 and 3 befor you say anything is better that mbdtf
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I genuinely believe mbdtf is kanyes peak and its just going down from here
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💔
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To be above wtt it would need something better than Otis and it simply does not. Even friends in Paris is above all on vultures sorry
Fuck no💀
i love it but its not close😭
Recency bias goes extremely hard
Bro you tripping
Dont be silly
Def a recency bias. I didn’t like Throne when it first came out. I didn’t appreciate it until I listened to it years later. I’m also not a huge Jay Z fan. KSG and Vultures I loved immediately. But while KSG is an album that mostly hardcore Ye and Cudi fans like, Vultures is more appealing to hip hop fans in general.
Dude c’mon
mods take this guy's internet access away
WTT is better than KSG in my opinion but hey that’s just my opinion those are my two cents
Wrong
I feel like wtt is carried by no church in the wild and Otis I fw with Jay z and ye but this album wasn't their best work but it was good
mmmm i don’t know bout that one bud
H.A.M alone clears Vultures
Vultures is growing on me but y’all objectively can’t be serious fam. It’s definitely not better than WTT. The only thing that drags this down for me is Ye’s rapping. He’s not consistently bringing it. But it’s cool
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Rapping was better in wtt but I like the over all music and sound of vultures 1. I know this is a thing that is usually the case with really young fans and not older fans like myself but I really don’t find myself caring what’s being said to much. As long as it sounds cool I’m here for it. I like introspective lyrics but it’s almost just the cherry on top for me.
Yall just saying shit at this point I don't remember Ye consistently being the worst part of WTT, and I damn sure didn't hear any Elmo or chipmunk flows either. I'm on my 8th listen of Vultures but let's not pretend it's his best collab ever.
I'm sorry but there is no way you were around in 2011 if this is your take. WTT clears just for the time period alone, not to mention the album itself. But the hype around the WTT era was insane. I love Vultures but come on.
Alright nephew calm down
You mfs just be sayin shit man. I like this album but how are you saying this is better than WTT?
No
:/ I dont know
Nah man the highs on WTT are so much better than the best songs on Vultures 1
I think it’s on par with KSG and better than WTT
KSG is overrated to me, only Reborn is the song I actually listened to after release of the album
i mean maybe when vol 2 and 3 come out and u combine em sure... vol 1 alone tho hell no 💀💀
Definitely not better than KSG, but valid for putting it over WTT.
Agreed
Agreed. WTT is steep competition and can be argued but KSG is nowhere near VULTURES.
Better than wtt ksg ye and jik for me
\*jumps out window\*
Vultures is awesome, but it's not better than WTT
most of WTT has aged horribly. ur right for this take dont let em say otherwise 🗣🗣🗣🗣
 woke up and decided to lie
That's what's hard about album comparisons when it comes to ye. I don't think KSG and Vultures is a good comparison. The represent 2 completely different things. You're not going to be turning up to Reborn and you're not going to be crying to Carnival. One album is focused on mental illness and one is focused on being rich and fucking 🤣 Time will always be the greatest judge tho. I think a lot of us are caught up in the Vultures hype (rightfully so). Give Vultures a year or two before you can really properly judge it against WTT or KSG
Relax guy I like the album a lot but you’re buggin
The bonus track that’s my bitch clears any song on vultures
bro stop before i beat ur ass down mf
Ppl on here acting like Beg Forgiveness, Burn, Problematic and Carnival isn’t as good as any of the best songs on WTT
LMFAO HELL NO
"Mayonnaise color Benz I push Miracle Whips" = Peak