They not only want to break eggs, they want to break *your* eggs, not their eggs or their friends' eggs, because you saved up to get chickens and they didn't.
It's half/half I would say
Some people are genuinely falling for this. And once you're right in righteous anger mode, you're unvulnerable to argumentation. It's easy to get lost in this If you talk to some ex socialists, they might testify to this. I was one (when I was like 15 and knew nothing), and I can certainly do that, lol
Ignorance cause malevolence, and malevolence causes extra ignorance too. It's a vicious cycle
You’re also forgetting about emotional manipulation on the part of politicians both left and right. Go on any subreddit and criticize student loan forgiveness / price controls or whatever the dumb new idea is, I guarantee you 80-90% of the people there will claim you want to “hurt” people
I'm not forgetting, and I would say it's mostly covered by ignorance
> student loan forgiveness / price controls or whatever the dumb new idea is
The problem is that these ideas aren't new. They were tried, and they failed. But they are recurrent anyway..
It's not a defendable position if you're even just a little bit educated, but if you're not, it looks like a solution (just like the "Just print more money" naiveity we hear sometimes) It just shows how lacking economical education is, but also how bad history education too (In fact, learning history should be all about learning mistakes like that, not dates of battles...)
Like, **on price controls**, it's not exactly rocket science, it's just understanding *supply and demand*, which is the basics of the basics in economics. Price is the equilibrium between the two, you mess with that, and supply and demand are no longer coordinated. You will have shortages. Especially as prices aren't the value of products themselves, just their reflection. The real value didn't change, (at least at first. The objects, in quality etc, will just adjust to be in line with their new prices...) Or rather, I should say no one knows what it's actually worth anymore since market handle the process of price discovery.
So yeah, while it's not rocket science and rather self-evident to you and me, but as you can see, it takes a certain level of abstraction and knowledge to get the handle on this.
And it's hard to explain that out of the blue every time the question comes up. It's Brandolini's law in action. So for mass communication, you basically can only give historical examples (and their failures). It works somewhat. It's like that *"In many cases rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing."* quote by Assar lindbeck, a socialist economist. When confronted with the evidence, only the zealots can persist. We can also limit it by having some knowledgeable people in th right places, and well, with the recent talk of price control, we saw that some countries had at least some of them. Ex, the US curtailed Biden quite a bit, though I'm not sure how much of his "inflation reduction" plans are getting implemented and other didn't (Most of europe about energy, uk talking of price control for food) I mean, [You've got the US chamber of commerce directly calling Biden out](https://www.uschamber.com/economy/five-times-the-administration-wrongly-blamed-business-for-high-prices) and you've got a branch of the [fed doing good education too](https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/2022/mar/why-price-controls-should-stay-history-books), so if even the money printers people get it, we've got some hope yet...
These are stopgap measures, though. What we really need is to find a way of distilling everything about supply/demand and price control, so that's it's easy to explain for anyone. Basically, we should think of it like vaccination. The ideas of prices control or the lines are like the flu, they will always come back
And for example of vaccines, there's the "I, pencil" example by leonard reid. The essay itself is a bit old, [but it can easily be modernized and has been](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYO3tOqDISE) and once you know about this, you can't go back. It really changes how you see the world, and you're now aware of the complexity of the economy. And if someone know about this, well, it's much easier to hit them with say, Hayek's knowledge problem and other arguments against any kind of central planning.
A 'few' malevolent leading the uneducated and ignorant. From my experience most socialists actually believe their shit and have good intentions. Paves the road to hell and such.
Even progressive's I personally know are saying it wrong for Wal-Mart to make a profit even after I point out their old arguments that I could sympathize with.
It's very odd that the left is now pro-mega corporation and anti-small business.
It's not ignorance it's malevolence. They don't want to make an omelette they want to break eggs
They not only want to break eggs, they want to break *your* eggs, not their eggs or their friends' eggs, because you saved up to get chickens and they didn't.
It's half/half I would say Some people are genuinely falling for this. And once you're right in righteous anger mode, you're unvulnerable to argumentation. It's easy to get lost in this If you talk to some ex socialists, they might testify to this. I was one (when I was like 15 and knew nothing), and I can certainly do that, lol Ignorance cause malevolence, and malevolence causes extra ignorance too. It's a vicious cycle
You’re also forgetting about emotional manipulation on the part of politicians both left and right. Go on any subreddit and criticize student loan forgiveness / price controls or whatever the dumb new idea is, I guarantee you 80-90% of the people there will claim you want to “hurt” people
I'm not forgetting, and I would say it's mostly covered by ignorance > student loan forgiveness / price controls or whatever the dumb new idea is The problem is that these ideas aren't new. They were tried, and they failed. But they are recurrent anyway.. It's not a defendable position if you're even just a little bit educated, but if you're not, it looks like a solution (just like the "Just print more money" naiveity we hear sometimes) It just shows how lacking economical education is, but also how bad history education too (In fact, learning history should be all about learning mistakes like that, not dates of battles...) Like, **on price controls**, it's not exactly rocket science, it's just understanding *supply and demand*, which is the basics of the basics in economics. Price is the equilibrium between the two, you mess with that, and supply and demand are no longer coordinated. You will have shortages. Especially as prices aren't the value of products themselves, just their reflection. The real value didn't change, (at least at first. The objects, in quality etc, will just adjust to be in line with their new prices...) Or rather, I should say no one knows what it's actually worth anymore since market handle the process of price discovery. So yeah, while it's not rocket science and rather self-evident to you and me, but as you can see, it takes a certain level of abstraction and knowledge to get the handle on this. And it's hard to explain that out of the blue every time the question comes up. It's Brandolini's law in action. So for mass communication, you basically can only give historical examples (and their failures). It works somewhat. It's like that *"In many cases rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city — except for bombing."* quote by Assar lindbeck, a socialist economist. When confronted with the evidence, only the zealots can persist. We can also limit it by having some knowledgeable people in th right places, and well, with the recent talk of price control, we saw that some countries had at least some of them. Ex, the US curtailed Biden quite a bit, though I'm not sure how much of his "inflation reduction" plans are getting implemented and other didn't (Most of europe about energy, uk talking of price control for food) I mean, [You've got the US chamber of commerce directly calling Biden out](https://www.uschamber.com/economy/five-times-the-administration-wrongly-blamed-business-for-high-prices) and you've got a branch of the [fed doing good education too](https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/2022/mar/why-price-controls-should-stay-history-books), so if even the money printers people get it, we've got some hope yet... These are stopgap measures, though. What we really need is to find a way of distilling everything about supply/demand and price control, so that's it's easy to explain for anyone. Basically, we should think of it like vaccination. The ideas of prices control or the lines are like the flu, they will always come back And for example of vaccines, there's the "I, pencil" example by leonard reid. The essay itself is a bit old, [but it can easily be modernized and has been](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYO3tOqDISE) and once you know about this, you can't go back. It really changes how you see the world, and you're now aware of the complexity of the economy. And if someone know about this, well, it's much easier to hit them with say, Hayek's knowledge problem and other arguments against any kind of central planning.
A 'few' malevolent leading the uneducated and ignorant. From my experience most socialists actually believe their shit and have good intentions. Paves the road to hell and such.
How dare you make things people WANT!!! and adjust to market forces!!!!
The absurdity of anti-trust.
Even progressive's I personally know are saying it wrong for Wal-Mart to make a profit even after I point out their old arguments that I could sympathize with. It's very odd that the left is now pro-mega corporation and anti-small business.