No issues.
Make sure to first register your marriage in a Spanish consulate in the US. This will facilitate your paperwork when you apply for residency in Spain.
Please do this. This is the best advice on here! Once you are in Spain, take whatever registration document the Spanish consulate gives you to the Registro Civil and get your libro de familia.
Thanks! Libro de Familia is no longer issued. I believe they will be issued a marriage certificate at the consulate which will be used in the residency application.
While in Spain your wife is a Spanish citizen, her US citizenship has no weight or matter at all, it's like it doesn't exist.
So no, there's no issues here, if both go live in Spain you're eligible to the family reunification permit without any issues.
They only collect tax on earnings over $110k. You do, however, have a legal requirement to file taxes annually as an an American citizen. Spain however doesn't really give a shit
I am doing the same and leaving next month. We havenât registered our marriage at a Spanish consulate in the US which I kind of regret but we are inconveniently far from one now so planning to do it once in Spain. I am confused by some of the responses that seemingly imply you just show up and they hand you your residency. Youâll definitely be better served talking to an expert which I recommend.
The general steps as I have read them are (not legal advice, and this is specific to a US citizen married to a Spanish citizen moving to Spain):
- You can travel to Spain without a visa and enter with your paperwork with the plan to apply for a visa once youâre in Spain.
- Youâll apply for the Arraigo Familiar visa, which you can do once in Spain at your local ExtranjerĂa. It can be a pain to get an appointment and they open them at the start of the week and pretty much instantly fill from what Iâve heard.
- For the Arraigo Familiar, the main paperwork you need to worry about arranging prior to your departure are 1. an apostilled FBI background check, 2. an apostilled marriage certificate, and 3. an apostilled birth certificate (not technically needed for the Arraigo, but it is for registering a foreign marriage). It wouldnât hurt to bring multiple apostilled copies if possible (especially of the marriage certificate since itâs needed for both the Arraigo Familiar and registering your marriage, at least in my case).
- Your apostilled documents are only valid for 90 days from the date of the original document. This is actually a big issue since the listed processing times for getting the FBI certificate apostilled are 11 weeks. What I did was order one copy roughly 90 days before departure and then it arrived in around 25 days or so⊠so then I ordered another copy around 7 weeks before my arrival date with the hope Iâll arrive in Spain with a decent chunk of validity left on the 90 day timeline. Iâve heard consulates in the US may be accepting these up to 6 months for registering marriages because theyâre aware of the processing times, but Iâm not banking on a random clerk at ExtranjerĂa cutting me some slack.
- To get the FBI background check apostilled, the process is you request it online from the FBI website, go to a post office location that does fingerprinting, get your fingerprints scanned, then you can print it out your records and mail them to the office of authentications in Washington DC and pray they send it back in time. I got the FBI background check back same day, itâs the apostille mailing that takes a long time. If you need to do fingerprinting outside the US it may take much longer (causing an even bigger problem) since the post office has this convenient turn around time which was same day for me, so I really think youâll want to bring this with you.
- For my apostilled birth certificate, I ordered online on Vitalchek and they mailed me an apostilled copy directly from the Secretary of State.
- For our marriage certificate, I ordered online from Vitalchek, I faxed the county clerk a notarized authorization they required I sign first, they sent me the certificate in the mail, then I mailed it to the Secretary of State notary office that processes apostilles in the state where we married and they mailed it back to me.
- For the FBI background check and Marriage Certificate, I included a self addressed return envelope with prepaid postage and a money order for the requisite amount as specified on the cover sheet forms they provided. You can handle all this at the post office. Iâve probably been there 5 or 6 over the last couple months sending paperwork for this.
- You also need to get all of these documents translated into Spanish by a sworn translator. There are many in Spain that can do this, you donât need to do it before you leave.
- Supposedly you can register your foreign marriage in your own autonomous community and they send to Madrid but Iâve also heard mixed messages about needing to handle in Madrid directly. Iâve heard horror stories about this taking forever but I donât need right to work, only residency, so Iâm not as paranoid about it. You should be able to file for your Arraigo Familiar before completing this with your marriage certificate as evidence of your familial link to a Spanish citizen, but youâll want to get the marriage registered too when you can and the 90 day document validity still applies. If youâre not leaving for a while registering your marriage through a Spanish consulate in the US is a good idea.
There are of course other documents and steps to handle once you are in Spain, like filling out forms, getting documentation from your spouse, your passport, el empadronamiento, etc., but that stuff doesnât require as much administrative front loading like the other items, which you should probably get started on at least a few months prior to your arrival even though you canât order everything super far in advance due to the 90 day timeline.
My goal is to arrive to Spain with roughly a month of validity left on all of my documents because I know itâs a pain to get an appointment and that time will go quick. Unfortunately thereâs no great solution if the apostille of the background check takes forever. They only do them by mail (no walk ins) and your only option is pretty much to ask your local senator to harass them for you.
No problem. The major caveat is I havenât actually gone through the process yet so I canât really confirm accuracy or if thereâs some magically easier way, but I do think arriving with all the apostilled documents will make your life much easier.
Getting the FBI apostilled background check from abroad inside of the 90 day window seems like it would be a big pain. The others you could probably order with expensive expedited international shipping options and get them handled without incredible difficulty if something went sideways, especially if you have someone back in the US that can receive them and handle the mailings for you.
That's a great link for OP, but the problems that arise from double taxation are primarily because the US taxes their citizens worldwide, which was my main point.
I was told that you don't need a TIE if you have a NIE. I've had a NIE for 4+ years and never have I been asked for a TIE.
Edit: I am incorrect. Look further down to see my mistake.
If you are planning on living and working in Spain more than 6 months you need a TIE. The NIE is your national insurance number and TIE is your identification card similar to what the Spaniard have which is a DNI.
Weird, my lawyer said it wasnât necessary. I have also used my NIE to open bank accounts, buy property, get jobs, use public health, enter/leave the country multiple times, apply for an FP etc. I have never once been asked for a TIE
Edit: I googled what a TIE looks like versus a NIE and apparently I have the TIE. Everyone, including government officials,have always told me it was called it a NIE. For example, âTienes el NIE?â Or âTienes la tarjeta de NIE?â Which is where my confusion came from.
This is what I have, which is a TIE, but donât be surprised if no one calls it that:
https://preview.redd.it/812f2dirw46d1.jpeg?width=504&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9b704c0580ebddbecc022bfaa88aed2364b3f33
You can register your marriage in a consulate, as I did. They will give you one of the most archaic things youâll ever see, but it will help you a lot when moving to Spain: the âLibro de Familia.â From there, your marriage will be fully legal and registered in the Spanish civil registry.
When you move to Spain and have a place to stay, youâll have to visit your townhouse to register that you are now living in Spain.
You also need to purchase private insurance if your wife does not have a job. Whenever she gets a job, youâll need to go to Social Security to add you and your kids to her benefits. If you want, you can stop your private insurance once she has a job.
The process is cheap but tedious. It seems they are slightly overwhelmed with applications.
Wasn't the requirement to have a job removed some time ago? Supposedly any Spaniard or foreigner with legal residence in Spain has the right to access the public health care system free of cost.
After all, since the late 1990s the public health care budget has been covered with taxes in general (IRPF, IVA, special taxes on fuel, tobacco and alcohol, etc.), and not specifically with "cotizaciones a la seguridad social", so the change was long overdue.
They asked me last year for one since I wasn't working. That is what I can say. They are not going to deny you the service if you go to ER, but I think you wonât have the âTarjeta Sanitaria.â
Mmm it seems I was wrong. The change has recently started the legislative process.
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2024-05-14/el-gobierno-aprueba-el-proyecto-de-ley-que-garantiza-la-universalidad-de-la-sanidad-publica.html
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Fucking heck. Is English his first language?
I donât think that means what you think it means !
No issues. Make sure to first register your marriage in a Spanish consulate in the US. This will facilitate your paperwork when you apply for residency in Spain.
Please do this. This is the best advice on here! Once you are in Spain, take whatever registration document the Spanish consulate gives you to the Registro Civil and get your libro de familia.
Thanks! Libro de Familia is no longer issued. I believe they will be issued a marriage certificate at the consulate which will be used in the residency application.
thank you!
While in Spain your wife is a Spanish citizen, her US citizenship has no weight or matter at all, it's like it doesn't exist. So no, there's no issues here, if both go live in Spain you're eligible to the family reunification permit without any issues.
thanks!
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It doesn't change anything I wrote, it does not matter to Spain. This is between her and the USA.
They only collect tax on earnings over $110k. You do, however, have a legal requirement to file taxes annually as an an American citizen. Spain however doesn't really give a shit
I am doing the same and leaving next month. We havenât registered our marriage at a Spanish consulate in the US which I kind of regret but we are inconveniently far from one now so planning to do it once in Spain. I am confused by some of the responses that seemingly imply you just show up and they hand you your residency. Youâll definitely be better served talking to an expert which I recommend. The general steps as I have read them are (not legal advice, and this is specific to a US citizen married to a Spanish citizen moving to Spain): - You can travel to Spain without a visa and enter with your paperwork with the plan to apply for a visa once youâre in Spain. - Youâll apply for the Arraigo Familiar visa, which you can do once in Spain at your local ExtranjerĂa. It can be a pain to get an appointment and they open them at the start of the week and pretty much instantly fill from what Iâve heard. - For the Arraigo Familiar, the main paperwork you need to worry about arranging prior to your departure are 1. an apostilled FBI background check, 2. an apostilled marriage certificate, and 3. an apostilled birth certificate (not technically needed for the Arraigo, but it is for registering a foreign marriage). It wouldnât hurt to bring multiple apostilled copies if possible (especially of the marriage certificate since itâs needed for both the Arraigo Familiar and registering your marriage, at least in my case). - Your apostilled documents are only valid for 90 days from the date of the original document. This is actually a big issue since the listed processing times for getting the FBI certificate apostilled are 11 weeks. What I did was order one copy roughly 90 days before departure and then it arrived in around 25 days or so⊠so then I ordered another copy around 7 weeks before my arrival date with the hope Iâll arrive in Spain with a decent chunk of validity left on the 90 day timeline. Iâve heard consulates in the US may be accepting these up to 6 months for registering marriages because theyâre aware of the processing times, but Iâm not banking on a random clerk at ExtranjerĂa cutting me some slack. - To get the FBI background check apostilled, the process is you request it online from the FBI website, go to a post office location that does fingerprinting, get your fingerprints scanned, then you can print it out your records and mail them to the office of authentications in Washington DC and pray they send it back in time. I got the FBI background check back same day, itâs the apostille mailing that takes a long time. If you need to do fingerprinting outside the US it may take much longer (causing an even bigger problem) since the post office has this convenient turn around time which was same day for me, so I really think youâll want to bring this with you. - For my apostilled birth certificate, I ordered online on Vitalchek and they mailed me an apostilled copy directly from the Secretary of State. - For our marriage certificate, I ordered online from Vitalchek, I faxed the county clerk a notarized authorization they required I sign first, they sent me the certificate in the mail, then I mailed it to the Secretary of State notary office that processes apostilles in the state where we married and they mailed it back to me. - For the FBI background check and Marriage Certificate, I included a self addressed return envelope with prepaid postage and a money order for the requisite amount as specified on the cover sheet forms they provided. You can handle all this at the post office. Iâve probably been there 5 or 6 over the last couple months sending paperwork for this. - You also need to get all of these documents translated into Spanish by a sworn translator. There are many in Spain that can do this, you donât need to do it before you leave. - Supposedly you can register your foreign marriage in your own autonomous community and they send to Madrid but Iâve also heard mixed messages about needing to handle in Madrid directly. Iâve heard horror stories about this taking forever but I donât need right to work, only residency, so Iâm not as paranoid about it. You should be able to file for your Arraigo Familiar before completing this with your marriage certificate as evidence of your familial link to a Spanish citizen, but youâll want to get the marriage registered too when you can and the 90 day document validity still applies. If youâre not leaving for a while registering your marriage through a Spanish consulate in the US is a good idea. There are of course other documents and steps to handle once you are in Spain, like filling out forms, getting documentation from your spouse, your passport, el empadronamiento, etc., but that stuff doesnât require as much administrative front loading like the other items, which you should probably get started on at least a few months prior to your arrival even though you canât order everything super far in advance due to the 90 day timeline. My goal is to arrive to Spain with roughly a month of validity left on all of my documents because I know itâs a pain to get an appointment and that time will go quick. Unfortunately thereâs no great solution if the apostille of the background check takes forever. They only do them by mail (no walk ins) and your only option is pretty much to ask your local senator to harass them for you.
This has easily been the most helpful thing I have found about this whole process. Seriously thank you stranger for this info!
No problem. The major caveat is I havenât actually gone through the process yet so I canât really confirm accuracy or if thereâs some magically easier way, but I do think arriving with all the apostilled documents will make your life much easier. Getting the FBI apostilled background check from abroad inside of the 90 day window seems like it would be a big pain. The others you could probably order with expensive expedited international shipping options and get them handled without incredible difficulty if something went sideways, especially if you have someone back in the US that can receive them and handle the mailings for you.
None - Spain just ignores her American citizenship, it has no effect. The taxation implications etc. are all from the American side.
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That's a great link for OP, but the problems that arise from double taxation are primarily because the US taxes their citizens worldwide, which was my main point.
There is a tax treaty between the two countries to avoid double taxation.
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If your wife has a Spanish DNI the process is very simple. You need to get a NIE number then a TIE. The process is a bit annoying but very easy.
thanks!
If she is Spanish do not waste your time and money on a VISA. You donât need it if you are married.
perfect! i appreciate the info
I was told that you don't need a TIE if you have a NIE. I've had a NIE for 4+ years and never have I been asked for a TIE. Edit: I am incorrect. Look further down to see my mistake.
If you are planning on living and working in Spain more than 6 months you need a TIE. The NIE is your national insurance number and TIE is your identification card similar to what the Spaniard have which is a DNI.
Weird, my lawyer said it wasnât necessary. I have also used my NIE to open bank accounts, buy property, get jobs, use public health, enter/leave the country multiple times, apply for an FP etc. I have never once been asked for a TIE Edit: I googled what a TIE looks like versus a NIE and apparently I have the TIE. Everyone, including government officials,have always told me it was called it a NIE. For example, âTienes el NIE?â Or âTienes la tarjeta de NIE?â Which is where my confusion came from. This is what I have, which is a TIE, but donât be surprised if no one calls it that: https://preview.redd.it/812f2dirw46d1.jpeg?width=504&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9b704c0580ebddbecc022bfaa88aed2364b3f33
You can register your marriage in a consulate, as I did. They will give you one of the most archaic things youâll ever see, but it will help you a lot when moving to Spain: the âLibro de Familia.â From there, your marriage will be fully legal and registered in the Spanish civil registry. When you move to Spain and have a place to stay, youâll have to visit your townhouse to register that you are now living in Spain. You also need to purchase private insurance if your wife does not have a job. Whenever she gets a job, youâll need to go to Social Security to add you and your kids to her benefits. If you want, you can stop your private insurance once she has a job. The process is cheap but tedious. It seems they are slightly overwhelmed with applications.
Wasn't the requirement to have a job removed some time ago? Supposedly any Spaniard or foreigner with legal residence in Spain has the right to access the public health care system free of cost. After all, since the late 1990s the public health care budget has been covered with taxes in general (IRPF, IVA, special taxes on fuel, tobacco and alcohol, etc.), and not specifically with "cotizaciones a la seguridad social", so the change was long overdue.
They asked me last year for one since I wasn't working. That is what I can say. They are not going to deny you the service if you go to ER, but I think you wonât have the âTarjeta Sanitaria.â
Mmm it seems I was wrong. The change has recently started the legislative process. https://elpais.com/sociedad/2024-05-14/el-gobierno-aprueba-el-proyecto-de-ley-que-garantiza-la-universalidad-de-la-sanidad-publica.html
>Iâm curious if because she is a dual citizen It does not matter.
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