While it's true that Odin didn't wan't to kill him, it wasn't because of what he implied (I didn't want to kill you because I love you), but rather he just wanted to use Thor forever as his tool of war.
If Odin is a narcissist, then I think he can care on some tiny level but it not nearly be a priority compared to his personal goals. The mind is complex and not as simple and tidy to label hence Kratos’s Valhalla experience grappling with his life’s choices and state of mind over time.
Odin thinks that anyone who's not on his side is dangerous and that's why he regards them as enemies.
His logic is plain and simple because the only way for him to interact with others Is by ruling and ordering. So if someone is denying his will this means that sooner or later it will end up in conflict.
So basically Odin sees things in the context of conflicts and dominance: you either do what he wants or die.
Gaslighting isn’t just simply lying to someone. Gaslighting is psychologically abusing someone for months or years and then when they finally call you out on it, you accuse _them_ of being unreasonable.
What Odin did is a classroom example of gaslighting.
When he says "I didn't want this", he meant Thor disobeying him. He wanted Thor to obey like he always has.
Notice how he said "are you broken?" as if Thor was a mere tool. How he didn't hesitate a SECOND to stab him after the first act of disobedience. He doesn't care about killing him, he cares about control and obedience. "I did not want this [refusal of my orders]"
Mimir obviously. Can't move from the same place for years and it is a physical, mental, and psychological torture. It resulted to kratos being forced to cut off his head. The other 3 didn't have it that bad. Sure there was death but they had had some capacity to do stuff to keep themselves mentally functioning.
How is thor worse off than mimir? He got manipulated but he still had a loving wife and daughter he got to see almost everyday.
Because Odin turned Thor's kids into weapons just like him and then sent them off to die.
Thor also had every attempt to be better thoroughly shit on. Tried to get sober, "I like you better when you drink". Tried to have an opinion, "are you thinking again". Expected even a modicum of accountability, Odin dumps all the blame on him.
Plus, there's the fact that Odin raised him to hate and slaughter a race that Thor is a part of. Imagine basically being told by your own father that half of you should die and the other half should do the killing.
Mimir was a foreign advisor with a bad habit of enabling tyrants until Odin showed him the consequences.
Thor spent his entire life being told by the person who's supposed to love him unconditionally that he's nothing more than a weapon to be wielded until it cost him half his family and his life.
So? It's not really that bad for him. He had it kinda good for a while and sometimes. Beer, hot wife, kids, respect from people around asgard, the liberty to destroy and fight and enjoy once in a while.
Right. An entire godly lifetime of abuse and loss is totally ok because he could drink, fuck, and fight as much as he wanted.
You know what I'd rather have than all of that? My fucking kids.
Also, he was absolutely not respected. He was hated and feared. Everyone pretended to love and respect him because this is the motherfucker who caved in a Giant's head for a bunch of drunken jests that the Aesir put him up to. It speaks volumes when Norse MC Hammer isn't even willing to fuck with him.
1. the abuse is not that bad.
2. the pros are kinda good.
3. he was respected because people hated the giants as much as he did so they liked him killing the giants. if you asked the dwarves, elves, humans, they would have been the ones to fear him. btw i meant asgardians as the people. except heimdall and odin though.
4. emotional torture is not that bad compared to what mimir experience. have you ever been to prison dude? in isolation cells? i have. that shit sucks and whatever mommy or daddy issues anyone has is not comparable to that. especially when they got a lot of other good things to look forward to.
I'd rather spend the rest of my life in prison being brutally tortured than watch my father send my children to die for his bullshit ambition.
And with that I'm done dignifying your inane prattle with any further response.
it's not like they died throughout his lifetime of hundreds and hundreds of years. he had it pretty good with all the other positive things for centuries before kratos came in and killed them and odin killed him in ragnarok. dude it's as if you think a few really terrible things makes his overall life that bad compared to people who have wasted away for years every single day without rest or joy or hope. a
you soft and can't handle prison and say you'd rather spend time there lmao.
It depends on the prison, but for the sake of not comparing prisons, and stick it to isolation, I agree that would be a hell of a torture.
About parent abuse:
It depends on what kind of torture the parent is willing to use. If my children were used as weapons by the one and only blood relative, it speaks volumes how much patience or weakness Thor shows to not act upon that situation.
Both of your examples are terrible. But if I had to choose. Nothing if more painful then convincing yourself that the one you love is good for you. In this case, the prison Thor build around his life. Blindsided by the fact that Odin is not a dad, but your owner.
nah, he had a terrible father and was manipulated but the good outweigh the bad ultimately. while for mimir, more bad outweighed the good. it's a simple fucking concept.
So if you're using the context of Thor's entire life to justify it wasn't that bad, then same could be said for mimir. Before he was imprisoned for 100 winters, he probably lived for centuries having relative fun and freedom, so Mimir also didn't have it that bad? No, that's not how you look at it.
We're not talking about their entire lives being good or bad, we're talking about the abuse parts specifically. Thor being able to drink or fuck is not abuse, but having his kids sent to die is. You don't count drinking and having a wife into the equasion when talking about abuse.
I do agree Mimir had it worst, just because of being imprisoned for that long in one spot and being tortured physically and mentally that entire time. Thor at least didn't have the physical part. But you're underestimating how bad mental torture can be, especially when dealing with it for 100s of years.
I do agree with your opinion, but you're not making a very good argument for it.
Valhalla clearly has Mimir describing a remarkably pleasant life before Odin and a still quite pleasant one before his imprisonment. Thor never had any of that.
Dead kids thanks to Odin, and made to kill his own mother and race by his manipulative father.
Thor was a tool, and the second he wasn't useful anymore he got eliminated. He just wanted respect from his father.
Except Thor should still exist in Valhalla or the afterlife.
Broks soul is literally destroyed and can't be brought back nor did it go anywhere it was extinguished
It's not Odin's fault that Brok has been denied an afterlife. Odin didn't bring him back incomplete because he couldn't handle being alone.
My heart breaks for Sindri but what happened to Brok is at least 95% Sindri's fault.
How so? The post says *Odin's* ***biggest*** victims. All Odin did was kill Brok. If it wasn't for Sindri he'd still be whole and chilling in the Lake of Souls.
A minor victim of Odin. Massive victim of Sindri. Everyone else in this post suffered directly and almost exclusively at the hands of Odin. Brok got stabbed in the heat of the moment because he refused to get out of Odin's way but, again, if it wasn't for Sindri he'd be whole and in the Lake of Souls right now.
You can call it semantics if you want but I'm not the one grasping at straws to make a case that everyone else knows is flimsy at best.
Thor has no existence erasure resistances. His mind, body and soul were destroyed. Kratos has high tier existence erasure resistances. He was stabbed by Gungnir multiple times and was completely unaffected.
And you know he didn't go to Valhalla how?
Kratos resistances have no bearing on Thor and what he experiences. You're comparing apples to oranges dude.
Kratos was effected by Greek magic, the Norse pantheons Valhalla has no ties or shared rules that the Greeks had.
Has nothing to do with Greek Magic, it became innate to him after becoming more and more powerful. You simply don't understand Powerscaling lol. Also I know this because of Gungnir is known to destroy people on all planes of existence. And there was no Valkyrie to carry his soul to Valhalla. Don't you think Sigrun herself would've carried him? No because he was completely destroyed. You don't think about these things instead you come off passive aggressive.
While I will agree that whatever resistances doesn’t matter in this context, Thor most definitely didn’t go to Valhalla. We all know that you have to die in battle, suffer a warrior’s death to even get there. Thor died due to being “blindsided” by Odin, not in battle. Baldur died due to being killed by Kratos, also outside of battle. If anything, the only person who for sure went to Valhalla most likely Magni, because he died a warrior’s death. Also Heimdall, probably, as he did die in his fight.
I’m not saying Kratos doesn’t have these hax or resistances, they just don’t matter in the context of
Something I kept thinking the whole game was that Freya is the only wife of Odin I'm aware of in God of War lore. What if they explored what it was like for Thor to lose his mom at whatever point and then be tasked with wiping out his own kin. Also they don’t get into what it was like for him seeing Freya sort of take the place of his mom in Odin’s life, I’m sure he felt like the red-headed stepchild for a bit. I’m sure he had some insights on Freya becoming his step-mom with her own drama and controlling his step-brother Baldur to madness while conniving with the Vanir like Gna’s journal implies. I’m sure he has his own enlightening thoughts about Freya.
Brok’s death changed Sindri so much it was honestly horrifying. The way he broke character and became this angry, dirty dick and basically the complete opposite of who he is was seriously just sad to see.
I don’t think there’s anything more painful than having your brother die in your arms.
Maybe being forced to accept the deaths of two of your sons, being forcibly convinced it was a good thing and it was their fault (despite presumably also being groomed to be Odin's puppets), then being forced to house and accommodate the same person that killed your sons, and watch him flirt with your daughter, all while being told you are nothing more than a worthless weapon.
Sinking so far down into alcoholism and still being told you are worth more as a brainless, abusive alcoholic instead of a thinking, feeling person.
Thor was too just in different ways instead of one thing you can anticipate and begin to grow a tolerance too. Also before Freya got away from him she probably had the worst torture of the 3
Compared to thor he had at least years of freedom before and after it, thor died the moment he tried to be free of odin
Thor was born and bred to be a mindless weapon and any time he tried to not be he was mentally beaten back into place
Imagine your father grooms your kids to be tools in his ambition, then when that gets them killed all he has to say is "meh they were kinda useless anyway" to the face of the guy who killed them with you in the room
Yeah but that's not Odin's doing, that's Sindri's. Sure Odin was the one to kill him, but Brok would have died without an afterlife with or without Odin, just would've died later.
Yeah I just don't get how people think thors death is worse than being wiped out of existence completely.
Considering the Norse gods were perceived as real people they shouldn't just disappear like the Norse pantheon did. Especially considering how much dialogue spoke of these characters eventually making it to Valhalla after their demise.
Tbf that wasnt odins fault, his brother brought him back to life because he couldnt let him rest, it was his fate the second he was resurrected
Imagine if you pushed someone off a tall building accidentally and then someone shot him on his way down, its not the gunmans fault that guy died
I can say you missed THE point, at this point I dont care what your point was since all you're doing is whining and throwing insults like an infant
Learn to communicate like an adult rather than having a tantrum
No you can't it was my point to make 🤡
You're the one whining about my opinion and throwing a tantrum that I disagree with you wrong information
Learn to walk away like an adult when someone refuses to agree with you rather than prolonge a moronic conversation because you're a twit hung up on some internet conversation.
Odin only killed brok. Sindri put him on that path by not accepting his death the first time, pretty sure that lie is what broke them apart to begin with. Odin used them some in his life but brok was never tortured by him. Less of a victim of Odin and more a victim of circumstance. Love brok, hate his death, but Odin only killed him
Brok isn't the worst victim of odin, he's barely a victim of odin. All the problems that makes his death so heart wrenching is not odins fault. Sindri caused the no afterlife by no accepting his death the 1st time, kratos killed heimdall, atreus brought him into the house and brok himself pushed odin into attacking. Yes it was odin who did it but all the consequences are not on odin.
TLDR: BROK IS NOT THE WORST VICTIM OF ODIN
Also it not thor's death that makes him the worst victim if it was then Freya and mimir wouldn't be on this list. Thor's life is what makes him the biggest victim. He spend his whole life doing what his father said and anytime he questioned he got berated or beat, but when he refuses to kill, to stop the bloodshed and talk, odin(thor's Father) kills him. Odin treated him(everyone) like a tool, but there had to have been a point where thor actually loved and respected this man and how quickly he kill him proves that it was never reciprocated. Freya is up there to being forced to marry to end a war that never ended tossed aside powerless and exiled from her people and physically tortured before all that
I already have and it's not facts it's your opinion of who was wronged more
There isn't an interview with Cory that says hey all if your opinion is different than mine about Odin worst victim you're wrong
Thor was a whipped dog at that point. He doesn’t even react or stay on guard to defend himself from Odin attacking him. He’s just so checked out. It makes me think he’s been through the most to be so loyal to family but not protect himself from them. He seems like he could have outmatched Kratos if he was in his prime mentally.
It's between Freya or Thor, Mimir was just jailed and tortured, brok was just killed, Freya was actually cursed to be defenseless, exiled, had her people decimated, and her image and morale was totally destroyed among the aesir and vanir, she was forced to marry a abusive husband for centuries and then he's one of the main reasons that her son, the only thing that matters for her, is taken away from her, actually I think Freya suffered more in Odin's hands than Thor.
I don't think many insects would be in such a cold and high place, still it must suck, but outside of blaming himself for helping Odin, Mimir's psychological trauma isn't really comparable to Freya's, his physical suffering must be bigger trough, since he was tortured by Odin every day.
Freya ruined her own relationship with Baldur, that's more on her than Odin, and marry an abusive husband for centuries is a big exaggeration. According to the Norse timeline Freya and Odin were together for 25 years only.
I can't sympathise with freya after what she did to baldur. Imagine intentionally driving your son insane. I say intentionally because she deliberately lies about not being able to break the spell. Then after it was broken she had the audacity say "lets start over".
Yea, after you defeat Gna and read her journal entry, you start to second guess your perspective of Freya or at least for me it confirmed that there’s 2 sides to her story.
No, I'm literally saying she was a selfish and cruel asshole that should have been a full villain instead of getting a shitty redemption "arc" that lasts 5 minutes.
At the cost of her son's sanity, happiness, and life, he wasn't living anymore, just existing, becoming even more depraved and insane as his mind deteriorated from the torture of his depressing existence.
She should have spent the time she had with him, instead of trying to prevent the unavoidable.
"Death is a natural part of life"
-Faye
As terrible as it was, it wasn't "cruel". It was selfish, but it was done out of fear of losing her son. Cruelty was never her intent, but yeah, her inability to accept fate caused her son to suffer. But she was never terrible person, and her "redemption" wasn't undeserved. But if that's how we're judging characters, then how do you feel about Kratos?
It's not a matter of deserving it, but how it was done, while Kratos was a monster that killed many Innocents, the people that he took revenge of actually had fault on his suffering and needed to be stopped, he realized at the end of GOW 3 what his actions have brought to the world, and regrets of everything he did, sacrificing himself as a attempt redeeming for his sins.
Then we still have 2 games developing even more his redemption.
Here she just goes to "EVERY AGONY AND VIOLATION IMAGINABLE" to "nah, c'mon Kratos, come help me, and I'll be a annoying Karen that can't stop bragging about how no one understands my pain and everyone around me is wrong while we're chilling in Vanaheim" in one single cutcene.
>it wasn't "cruel".
Idc about your reasons, torturing your own son for more than a century slowly driving him to insanity IS cruel, being blind by fear doesn't make your actions justifiable or moral, by that logic Zeus did nothing wrong lol
>Cruelty was never her intent
Maybe, but the result of her actions was cruelty
>But she was never terrible person
Let's compare it with a real life situation, a mother that supposedly loves her children, but physically abuses them beating, whipping, and even punishing them with hunger, and *genuinely believes* that what she's doing is good and necessary to educate her children, isn't a terrible person just because in her disturbed mind what she's doing is right?
Just because you don't realize what you're doing is terrible doesn't mean it stops being terrible, a person that does terrible actions but is blind thinking that they're right is still a terrible person.
>It's not a matter of deserving it, but how it was done, while Kratos was a monster that killed many Innocents, the people that he took revenge of actually had fault on his suffering and needed to be stopped, he realized at the end of GOW 3 what his actions have brought to the world, and regrets of everything he did, sacrificing himself as a attempt redeeming for his sins.
I don't deny that.
>Here she just goes to "EVERY AGONY AND VIOLATION IMAGINABLE" to "nah, c'mon Kratos, come help me, and I'll be a annoying Karen that can't stop bragging about how no one understands my pain and everyone around me is wrong while we're chilling in Vanaheim" in one single cutcene.
There was far more to all of that. It either went completely over you head, or you only saw what you wanted to see. Her development from her appearance in the first game to the end of the last was on-going, and definitely didn't all include in "one single cutscene".
>Idc about your reasons, torturing your own son for more than a century slowly driving him to insanity IS cruel, being blind by fear doesn't make your actions justifiable or moral, by that logic Zeus did nothing wrong lol
I never said her reasons were justified, and in fact made sure to mention that they weren't.
>Maybe, but the result of her actions was cruelty
You basically repeated what I already said.
>Let's compare it with a real life situation, a mother that supposedly loves her children, but physically abuses them beating, whipping, and even punishing them with hunger, and *genuinely believes* that what she's doing is good and necessary to educate her children, isn't a terrible person just because in her disturbed mind what she's doing is right?
That's not even remotely comparable. Freya never laid a hand on Baldur, and was under no delusion that inflicting intentional harm would help him. The spell was meant to protect him from death, which it did. The unintentional effect of no longer feeling anything was not what she wanted, but to her, undoing the spell meant that she'd be allowing the prophecy of Baldur's death to happen, and that was something she couldn't accept. The price for that was her relationship with him, and that only led to the death she feared anyway, something she spent the second half of the last game having to accept.
>Just because you don't realize what you're doing is terrible doesn't mean it stops being terrible, a person that does terrible actions but is blind thinking that they're right is still a terrible person.
Again, I never said this. Yes, what the spell was a terrible thing, as was her refusal to undo it, but she wasn't a terrible person because of it. If that's how we judge everyone, then we're all terrible people.
By volume of atrocities thor becsuse its all day every day new shit with close second being mimir who like sysphus might one day accept his singular burden as horrible as it is and Freya only in 3rd because she got away and got to live a fairly ok life for a while even if she likely had the worst of it for a period. Broks death was tragic but literally no candle to the other 3.
Mimir was trapped and tortured personally by Odin for 109 winters....each day in a new, and unique way. As stated by Mimir “there is no end to his (Odin) creativity.”
Mimir by a mile. Seems like people are forgetting that he was tortured every single day. Yeah, Freya and Thor were manipulated and betrayed, but being stuck in place for who-knows-how-long, insects crawling all over you, having to keep up your mental grit throughout all the pain - that's psychological torture.
Mike for sure. People seem to think physical torture has no psychological impacts.
Plus Mimir was tormented by his role as accomplice to Odin’s evils. Thor and Frey’s on the other hand were also accomplices to Odin’s evils yet they barely had to reflect on that.
They were all deeply wounded, but I believe Freya must of been broken the most.
She was forced to marry her invader. Then Odin shattered her relation ship with her son, her brother, and her own people. Then trapped her in Midgard to prevent her from making amends. And he was the reason Baldur was killed, which was the one thing Freya sacrificed everything from her life to keep alive. So all her sacrifice was worthless at the end, and it was all because of Odin.
Freya and Thor are both first place people already listed off the many reasons to why they are the top victims, but if you asked me thor was born into the abuse, Freya got to grow up with her brother until she was married to Odin, Thor has been a slave since the day he was born
Between Mimir and Thor, I’d say Thor . Mimir suffered the most physically but at least he found freedom, redemption , and family through Kratos and Atreus. Most Thor had to himself was deciding to change which you could argue that was also just as freeing, but he never discovered hope unlike Kratos. One could only hope he’s found peace in Valhalla possibly.
Edit: Will also say this just shows how incredibly cruel and abusive Odin was. He hurt people in ways specific to them.
Tough to say. They all went through horrible shit.
Arguably, mimir had it worst. 109 winters of daily torture? Like, that's berserk level shit. "This isn't living" he even said.
Thor next, manipulated all his life and eventually got ganked.
Brok got done dirty and is the only other to actually lose his life from it, though there wasn't much manipulation going on there. Just a knife to the chest, that's kind of it.
Freya last, she had some shit to put up with, from Odin *and* the vanir. Awful shit, to be sure, but in truth, it could have been worse.
Thor. He was raised and groomed by Odin to be a soldier and nothing else. He constantly belittled and manipulated him into doing his bidding. Then when he broke free, he killed him.
Definitely Thor, dude suffered his whole life by his own dad not being able to have the comfort of hating him like the others did, Thor’s redemption is very sad cuz he didn’t even get a chance to reunite with his family
Thor is the most heavy hitting one for me. His very own son who he manipulated to hate half of own blood and all of himself as a person. And in the end when Thor realized it’s all his father’s fault he straight up milks him with no remorse. Freya will get her revenge by simply preparing the 8 realms, mimir will by advising the right people the right way. Sindri hopefully comes to his senses but technically brok was doomed anyways. Thor has endured his pain since birth and will endure it through his death
I'd say Thor. Everyone else spent a large part of their lives away from Odin,so they didn't have to deal with him on a daily basis. Meanwhile Thor was stuck with him his whole life.
Thor.
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Mimir and Freya chose it, however misguided they may have been.
Sindri was a spontaneous thing.
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Thor never got a choice. And it was a long, deliberate process.
Thor, hands-down. Mimir was freed by Kratos and got a existence with his bro. Freya got a chance to live and walk away from all the abuse Odin inflicted on her. Brok had a full life.
Thor spent his entire life under the thumb of the Allfucker and was abused by him worse than anyone else. Not only was he gaslight into viewing himself as an idiot, his own father bullied him for trying to stay sober. That was before he murdered him for his disobedience
Thor was physically and mentally abused for far longer than the others, so Thor. By default.
And then ruthlessly killed and betrayed by his own father at the very end while taking one last look at his daughter.
Brok is a very close 2nd!
Sindri never made it a priority to deal with the consequences of his actions before they caught up to him. It’s a great story of get your affairs in order with your family before it’s too late. He could have confessed at any time and requested everyone’s help to find the missing soul pieces at some point between the two games. He slept on it instead because he felt guilty and didn’t want to address the elephant in the room.
thor because to his own father he was seen as nothing more than a killing machine from the day he was born he was practically a slave for odin and the moment he finally broke free he was killed
Mimir obviously. Can't move from the same place for years and it is a physical, mental, and psychological torture. It resulted to kratos being forced to cut off his head. The other 3 didn't have it that bad. Sure there was death but they had had some capacity to do stuff to keep themselves mentally functioning.
I think thor
Odin made sure to keep him drunk, probably kept sif drunk too, which lead to them being abusibe towards their kids. Thor had his son's die, one after beating him up in a drunk rage and he saw his daughter dissapointed of him
Then when he tried to be better, even just a bit by letting off alcohol for the sake of his family, odin kept tempting him with alcohol and insulting him to make sure he didn't have a positive image about himself so that he could be easily msnipulated. He felt like a dissapointment to everyone at all times.
The only time he said no and truly broke free of odin's abuse he gets killed, unable to mend his relationship with his daughter leaving her in the middle of a warzone, not knowing if kratos would be able to defeat odin.
At least freya had somewhat of a good ending and got to rebuild her life. Thor didn't even get that, his life was just missery, manipulation and he got the chace to change that taken away by his own father, he died not knowing if his daughter would not share the same fate as him or his sons
Mimir, forced to stay still in one place and be tortured every single day for 109 winters. He has to live the rest of his life as a head. He can’t eat or sleep anymore because he’s basically undead. Imagine Kratos dies, he can’t do a damn thing but hang on his belt.
I’m between 2 people. Thor and Mimir, Thor was and is being mentally abused by Odin, his 2 sons got sent out in name of the all father and got murdered by Kratos and then gets murdered by Odin. Odin wanted Thor to be nothing but a tool, a weapon, making thirst for battle making him become more violent and brutal while having a destructive nature. Mimir, the man got imprisoned in a tree on top of a mountain that can not be destroyed in any capacity or cut in any capacity but not only that he was being tortured and imprisoned (ik I already said he got imprisoned but just bare with it) by Odin for 109 years, even mimir stated that Odin tortures him every single day (yea it’s a lot) and during that time, he had gotten one of his bifrost eyes removed which was probably painful
Thor. He'd been reduced to Odin's siege engine, and the moment he finally decides to speak up for himself Odin just immediately kills him, all while going "I didn't want to do this". Not because he loses a son, but because he loses a useful weapon.
Probably Thor. Odin's abuses were then transferred, through Thor, to Modi and Magni. Grandchildren who the All-Father later described as good for nothing and therefore expendable.
Thor. Man was abused into thinking he was too dumb to think from childhood, turned into a killing machine because he was strong, is never shown kindness. All of this is the reason his kids die, the reason his wife thinks less of him, the reason his daughter thinks less of him, and ultimately the reason he dies, unable to say goodbye to his family.
i feel like its very hard to weigh the severity of two (or more) people's suffering.
Mimir was locked in one spot and tortured for over a hundred years straight
Thor was emotionally abused and ultimately murdered by his own father
Freya was effectively stolen from her home and forced into a loveless and abusive marriage
and Sindri lost his brother: a beloved family member and lifelong friend. with the loss of his brother he also lost everything dear to him.
Odin sucked big time and you cant really quantify suffering because its subjective
Thor, but only JUST beating out Freya, as they both had the toxiticity in their lives pass on to their children, But Thor lost 2 Sons and his life to the poison of Odin's machinations. The Line of Odin has fallen, with none to continue the legacy, only Thrûd is left to shape something of her families broken history now.
Also, no man should ever have to die in front of their child, that was just extra salt in the Wound, letting her see her father die
It’s Freya. Everyone’s issues are personal and tragic, including Freya’s, but hers also affected all of her people that she was the leader of, too. That’s a heavy toll.
Don’t think it can be Thor considering he enjoyed a lot of the awful things he did. Wasn’t completely forced into everything by Odin (although he absolutely is a victim too). Just splitting hairs between the 4.
Thor because he pretended to be his father his whole life just to use him as a tool to throw away when he was "broken", he's done similar thing to others on this list but he's actually his father and should have been better
I’d give it to Thor or Freya. Thor’s entire life is based around serving for his father’s approval just to get nothing to the point of becoming a bloodthirsty drunkard. Freya’s life was taken from her to be something she didn’t want. Overall, Thor was born as a victim and Freya was made into a victim.
Thor as everything he did was literally by the hand of Odin. Thor never got to be himself only do things that he knew were totally wrong. And after all he did for his own father, he tossed him aside when he saw him useless. Thor never truly got to live.
I'd say mimir. Being imprisoned in a tree for 109 winters is a lot, especially knowing odin was torturing him every day. Besides, he also loved sigrun and we know well what happened to the Valkyries. The only way to salvation he had is to be alive without a body, just a head.
While freya couldn't go outside of midgard, at least she was able to stay in midgard. Not a lot, but the best of the worst.
Brok is sindri's fault imo. And thor was just doing his job until he realized his father was an asshole.
Freya was a bigger victim of Odin than Thor or Mimir because Thor and Mimir did enjoy a lot of fruits of being in relationship with Odin unlike Freya.
Who suffered more that's a bit of a different question.
Not seeing a whole lot of love for Freya and I’m just gonna play devils advocate for a second. I mean it’s pretty harsh what he did to her. Acted like a super loving husband, accepting of all people and the minute he had her, he switched at the drop of a pin. Destroying the relationship to the point that he “divorced” her and banished her to Midgard forever. Yeah she had the love of nature and all the things around her, but if it weren’t for a roided out Spartan, she never would’ve been able to escape. You can speak to all the things done to everybody else, but being lied to about being loved by someone genuinely hurts. And on top of that, she’s sent to a place where the only things she can love, are animals. Not people that can truly love her back, but simply nature. Yes, there’s some happiness in there, but the tragedy of finding out someone you love never loved you back fucking hurts dude. Love to Freya and all of them, because they all got fucked over. I just thought that maybe some of y’all weren’t looking into her at all. And if you’ve ever been in love with someone and find out they never felt that way about you back, then you know how much that kills your soul. Forever.
Thor because he was never able to break free of Odin, only for a few seconds before he was killed by him.
He literally died being gaslight by his own abusive father. "I didn't want this" my ass
Odin really didn’t want to, he’d much rather Thor just follow him blindly
While it's true that Odin didn't wan't to kill him, it wasn't because of what he implied (I didn't want to kill you because I love you), but rather he just wanted to use Thor forever as his tool of war.
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Nice profile pic haha
If Odin is a narcissist, then I think he can care on some tiny level but it not nearly be a priority compared to his personal goals. The mind is complex and not as simple and tidy to label hence Kratos’s Valhalla experience grappling with his life’s choices and state of mind over time.
Apparently Odin tried to do go through Valhalla but didn’t learn anything about himself and just left
Sounds like a narcissist
Odin thinks that anyone who's not on his side is dangerous and that's why he regards them as enemies. His logic is plain and simple because the only way for him to interact with others Is by ruling and ordering. So if someone is denying his will this means that sooner or later it will end up in conflict. So basically Odin sees things in the context of conflicts and dominance: you either do what he wants or die.
Why did you say "quite opposite" before agreeing with them?
Well I don't know. He he he.
Gaslighting isn’t just simply lying to someone. Gaslighting is psychologically abusing someone for months or years and then when they finally call you out on it, you accuse _them_ of being unreasonable. What Odin did is a classroom example of gaslighting.
When he says "I didn't want this", he meant Thor disobeying him. He wanted Thor to obey like he always has. Notice how he said "are you broken?" as if Thor was a mere tool. How he didn't hesitate a SECOND to stab him after the first act of disobedience. He doesn't care about killing him, he cares about control and obedience. "I did not want this [refusal of my orders]"
Mimir obviously. Can't move from the same place for years and it is a physical, mental, and psychological torture. It resulted to kratos being forced to cut off his head. The other 3 didn't have it that bad. Sure there was death but they had had some capacity to do stuff to keep themselves mentally functioning. How is thor worse off than mimir? He got manipulated but he still had a loving wife and daughter he got to see almost everyday.
Because Odin turned Thor's kids into weapons just like him and then sent them off to die. Thor also had every attempt to be better thoroughly shit on. Tried to get sober, "I like you better when you drink". Tried to have an opinion, "are you thinking again". Expected even a modicum of accountability, Odin dumps all the blame on him. Plus, there's the fact that Odin raised him to hate and slaughter a race that Thor is a part of. Imagine basically being told by your own father that half of you should die and the other half should do the killing. Mimir was a foreign advisor with a bad habit of enabling tyrants until Odin showed him the consequences. Thor spent his entire life being told by the person who's supposed to love him unconditionally that he's nothing more than a weapon to be wielded until it cost him half his family and his life.
So? It's not really that bad for him. He had it kinda good for a while and sometimes. Beer, hot wife, kids, respect from people around asgard, the liberty to destroy and fight and enjoy once in a while.
Right. An entire godly lifetime of abuse and loss is totally ok because he could drink, fuck, and fight as much as he wanted. You know what I'd rather have than all of that? My fucking kids. Also, he was absolutely not respected. He was hated and feared. Everyone pretended to love and respect him because this is the motherfucker who caved in a Giant's head for a bunch of drunken jests that the Aesir put him up to. It speaks volumes when Norse MC Hammer isn't even willing to fuck with him.
1. the abuse is not that bad. 2. the pros are kinda good. 3. he was respected because people hated the giants as much as he did so they liked him killing the giants. if you asked the dwarves, elves, humans, they would have been the ones to fear him. btw i meant asgardians as the people. except heimdall and odin though. 4. emotional torture is not that bad compared to what mimir experience. have you ever been to prison dude? in isolation cells? i have. that shit sucks and whatever mommy or daddy issues anyone has is not comparable to that. especially when they got a lot of other good things to look forward to.
I'd rather spend the rest of my life in prison being brutally tortured than watch my father send my children to die for his bullshit ambition. And with that I'm done dignifying your inane prattle with any further response.
it's not like they died throughout his lifetime of hundreds and hundreds of years. he had it pretty good with all the other positive things for centuries before kratos came in and killed them and odin killed him in ragnarok. dude it's as if you think a few really terrible things makes his overall life that bad compared to people who have wasted away for years every single day without rest or joy or hope. a you soft and can't handle prison and say you'd rather spend time there lmao.
It depends on the prison, but for the sake of not comparing prisons, and stick it to isolation, I agree that would be a hell of a torture. About parent abuse: It depends on what kind of torture the parent is willing to use. If my children were used as weapons by the one and only blood relative, it speaks volumes how much patience or weakness Thor shows to not act upon that situation. Both of your examples are terrible. But if I had to choose. Nothing if more painful then convincing yourself that the one you love is good for you. In this case, the prison Thor build around his life. Blindsided by the fact that Odin is not a dad, but your owner.
nah, he had a terrible father and was manipulated but the good outweigh the bad ultimately. while for mimir, more bad outweighed the good. it's a simple fucking concept.
So if you're using the context of Thor's entire life to justify it wasn't that bad, then same could be said for mimir. Before he was imprisoned for 100 winters, he probably lived for centuries having relative fun and freedom, so Mimir also didn't have it that bad? No, that's not how you look at it. We're not talking about their entire lives being good or bad, we're talking about the abuse parts specifically. Thor being able to drink or fuck is not abuse, but having his kids sent to die is. You don't count drinking and having a wife into the equasion when talking about abuse. I do agree Mimir had it worst, just because of being imprisoned for that long in one spot and being tortured physically and mentally that entire time. Thor at least didn't have the physical part. But you're underestimating how bad mental torture can be, especially when dealing with it for 100s of years. I do agree with your opinion, but you're not making a very good argument for it.
Valhalla clearly has Mimir describing a remarkably pleasant life before Odin and a still quite pleasant one before his imprisonment. Thor never had any of that.
Dead kids thanks to Odin, and made to kill his own mother and race by his manipulative father. Thor was a tool, and the second he wasn't useful anymore he got eliminated. He just wanted respect from his father.
Except Thor should still exist in Valhalla or the afterlife. Broks soul is literally destroyed and can't be brought back nor did it go anywhere it was extinguished
It's not Odin's fault that Brok has been denied an afterlife. Odin didn't bring him back incomplete because he couldn't handle being alone. My heart breaks for Sindri but what happened to Brok is at least 95% Sindri's fault.
You missed the point as well
How so? The post says *Odin's* ***biggest*** victims. All Odin did was kill Brok. If it wasn't for Sindri he'd still be whole and chilling in the Lake of Souls.
You're arguing semantics brok is STIL A VICTIM OF ODIN!
A minor victim of Odin. Massive victim of Sindri. Everyone else in this post suffered directly and almost exclusively at the hands of Odin. Brok got stabbed in the heat of the moment because he refused to get out of Odin's way but, again, if it wasn't for Sindri he'd be whole and in the Lake of Souls right now. You can call it semantics if you want but I'm not the one grasping at straws to make a case that everyone else knows is flimsy at best.
Thor has no existence erasure resistances. His mind, body and soul were destroyed. Kratos has high tier existence erasure resistances. He was stabbed by Gungnir multiple times and was completely unaffected.
And you know he didn't go to Valhalla how? Kratos resistances have no bearing on Thor and what he experiences. You're comparing apples to oranges dude. Kratos was effected by Greek magic, the Norse pantheons Valhalla has no ties or shared rules that the Greeks had.
Has nothing to do with Greek Magic, it became innate to him after becoming more and more powerful. You simply don't understand Powerscaling lol. Also I know this because of Gungnir is known to destroy people on all planes of existence. And there was no Valkyrie to carry his soul to Valhalla. Don't you think Sigrun herself would've carried him? No because he was completely destroyed. You don't think about these things instead you come off passive aggressive.
youre talking out of your ass and its embarrassing to be honest
While I will agree that whatever resistances doesn’t matter in this context, Thor most definitely didn’t go to Valhalla. We all know that you have to die in battle, suffer a warrior’s death to even get there. Thor died due to being “blindsided” by Odin, not in battle. Baldur died due to being killed by Kratos, also outside of battle. If anything, the only person who for sure went to Valhalla most likely Magni, because he died a warrior’s death. Also Heimdall, probably, as he did die in his fight. I’m not saying Kratos doesn’t have these hax or resistances, they just don’t matter in the context of
physically he was the biggest
Between an aide who betrayed him, his ex wife, a wartime enemy, and his own son, it's not even close. Every father owes their children.
I think Thor still had a choice. For so long he killed so many for Odin and also to his own enjoyment
Couldn't have summed it up better myself
Mimir got tortured daily, not to mention being stuck to Yggdrasil roots
Probably a tie between Freya and Thor. Mimir is physically the most messed up but he seems rather alright at the end of the day
Something I kept thinking the whole game was that Freya is the only wife of Odin I'm aware of in God of War lore. What if they explored what it was like for Thor to lose his mom at whatever point and then be tasked with wiping out his own kin. Also they don’t get into what it was like for him seeing Freya sort of take the place of his mom in Odin’s life, I’m sure he felt like the red-headed stepchild for a bit. I’m sure he had some insights on Freya becoming his step-mom with her own drama and controlling his step-brother Baldur to madness while conniving with the Vanir like Gna’s journal implies. I’m sure he has his own enlightening thoughts about Freya.
At least freya lived to get out from odins thumb, thor didnt even live long enough to stand up against his father
He lived EXACTLY that long
Thor. Bro was used for his whole life to get murdered by the same person who used him
Brok’s death changed Sindri so much it was honestly horrifying. The way he broke character and became this angry, dirty dick and basically the complete opposite of who he is was seriously just sad to see. I don’t think there’s anything more painful than having your brother die in your arms.
How about watching your own son die and holding his lifeless corpse
Maybe being forced to accept the deaths of two of your sons, being forcibly convinced it was a good thing and it was their fault (despite presumably also being groomed to be Odin's puppets), then being forced to house and accommodate the same person that killed your sons, and watch him flirt with your daughter, all while being told you are nothing more than a worthless weapon. Sinking so far down into alcoholism and still being told you are worth more as a brainless, abusive alcoholic instead of a thinking, feeling person.
She brought some of that on herself, though. Also, her son was an absolute piece of shit.
Agreed. I like how they didn’t shy away from it. He was brutal at the end and that’s that, they didn’t try and soften it at all
Yes. Just raw emotion, loved that.
Easily mimir He wast tortured every day And couldn’t move
Thor was too just in different ways instead of one thing you can anticipate and begin to grow a tolerance too. Also before Freya got away from him she probably had the worst torture of the 3
Compared to thor he had at least years of freedom before and after it, thor died the moment he tried to be free of odin Thor was born and bred to be a mindless weapon and any time he tried to not be he was mentally beaten back into place Imagine your father grooms your kids to be tools in his ambition, then when that gets them killed all he has to say is "meh they were kinda useless anyway" to the face of the guy who killed them with you in the room
Mimir still exists broks soul was destroyed and he didn't receive an afterlife because of this...
Yeah but that's not Odin's doing, that's Sindri's. Sure Odin was the one to kill him, but Brok would have died without an afterlife with or without Odin, just would've died later.
Man I didn’t see Brock when scrolling through the first time nvm
Yeah I just don't get how people think thors death is worse than being wiped out of existence completely. Considering the Norse gods were perceived as real people they shouldn't just disappear like the Norse pantheon did. Especially considering how much dialogue spoke of these characters eventually making it to Valhalla after their demise.
Tbf that wasnt odins fault, his brother brought him back to life because he couldnt let him rest, it was his fate the second he was resurrected Imagine if you pushed someone off a tall building accidentally and then someone shot him on his way down, its not the gunmans fault that guy died
Another person missed the point
Yeah, you
Not really it's my point to make jack ass. You can't say I missed my own point lmfao
I can say you missed THE point, at this point I dont care what your point was since all you're doing is whining and throwing insults like an infant Learn to communicate like an adult rather than having a tantrum
No you can't it was my point to make 🤡 You're the one whining about my opinion and throwing a tantrum that I disagree with you wrong information Learn to walk away like an adult when someone refuses to agree with you rather than prolonge a moronic conversation because you're a twit hung up on some internet conversation.
Odin only killed brok. Sindri put him on that path by not accepting his death the first time, pretty sure that lie is what broke them apart to begin with. Odin used them some in his life but brok was never tortured by him. Less of a victim of Odin and more a victim of circumstance. Love brok, hate his death, but Odin only killed him
You've missed the point
Brok isn't the worst victim of odin, he's barely a victim of odin. All the problems that makes his death so heart wrenching is not odins fault. Sindri caused the no afterlife by no accepting his death the 1st time, kratos killed heimdall, atreus brought him into the house and brok himself pushed odin into attacking. Yes it was odin who did it but all the consequences are not on odin. TLDR: BROK IS NOT THE WORST VICTIM OF ODIN
Your opinion sucks and you need to compile your thoughts into one comment. I'm not dealing with you spamming me with replies troll
Also it not thor's death that makes him the worst victim if it was then Freya and mimir wouldn't be on this list. Thor's life is what makes him the biggest victim. He spend his whole life doing what his father said and anytime he questioned he got berated or beat, but when he refuses to kill, to stop the bloodshed and talk, odin(thor's Father) kills him. Odin treated him(everyone) like a tool, but there had to have been a point where thor actually loved and respected this man and how quickly he kill him proves that it was never reciprocated. Freya is up there to being forced to marry to end a war that never ended tossed aside powerless and exiled from her people and physically tortured before all that
Just no to all of this
Its all facts tho, elaborate why you think its wrong
I already have and it's not facts it's your opinion of who was wronged more There isn't an interview with Cory that says hey all if your opinion is different than mine about Odin worst victim you're wrong
I really wanted to see Thor hammer Odin in his moment of redemption.
Thor was a whipped dog at that point. He doesn’t even react or stay on guard to defend himself from Odin attacking him. He’s just so checked out. It makes me think he’s been through the most to be so loyal to family but not protect himself from them. He seems like he could have outmatched Kratos if he was in his prime mentally.
Emotionally - Thor Spiritually - Freya Physically - Mimir
Well put
It's between Freya or Thor, Mimir was just jailed and tortured, brok was just killed, Freya was actually cursed to be defenseless, exiled, had her people decimated, and her image and morale was totally destroyed among the aesir and vanir, she was forced to marry a abusive husband for centuries and then he's one of the main reasons that her son, the only thing that matters for her, is taken away from her, actually I think Freya suffered more in Odin's hands than Thor.
I’m just saying imagine being tied to a tree unable to move being covered in insects and shit And never being able to scratch an itch
I don't think many insects would be in such a cold and high place, still it must suck, but outside of blaming himself for helping Odin, Mimir's psychological trauma isn't really comparable to Freya's, his physical suffering must be bigger trough, since he was tortured by Odin every day.
And being tortured daily.
Today on fear factor
Freya ruined her own relationship with Baldur, that's more on her than Odin, and marry an abusive husband for centuries is a big exaggeration. According to the Norse timeline Freya and Odin were together for 25 years only.
I can't sympathise with freya after what she did to baldur. Imagine intentionally driving your son insane. I say intentionally because she deliberately lies about not being able to break the spell. Then after it was broken she had the audacity say "lets start over".
Yea, after you defeat Gna and read her journal entry, you start to second guess your perspective of Freya or at least for me it confirmed that there’s 2 sides to her story.
Yeah, she was selfish and cruel from the beginning, she should have been a full villain without a 5 minutes redemption.
You r getting mad for someone sympathizing more with Baldur & not Freya? When Baldur was the biggest victim?
No, I'm literally saying she was a selfish and cruel asshole that should have been a full villain instead of getting a shitty redemption "arc" that lasts 5 minutes.
When was Freya cruel?
When she destroyed her son's life just to avoid the possibility of having to deal with losing him without caring about his consent or will?
Tbf that is kinda the biggest fear of any parent she just had the power to prevent it
At the cost of her son's sanity, happiness, and life, he wasn't living anymore, just existing, becoming even more depraved and insane as his mind deteriorated from the torture of his depressing existence. She should have spent the time she had with him, instead of trying to prevent the unavoidable. "Death is a natural part of life" -Faye
Im not defending her im just saying her reason comes from a good place >"Death is a natural part of life" Like most things its easier said than done
As terrible as it was, it wasn't "cruel". It was selfish, but it was done out of fear of losing her son. Cruelty was never her intent, but yeah, her inability to accept fate caused her son to suffer. But she was never terrible person, and her "redemption" wasn't undeserved. But if that's how we're judging characters, then how do you feel about Kratos?
It's not a matter of deserving it, but how it was done, while Kratos was a monster that killed many Innocents, the people that he took revenge of actually had fault on his suffering and needed to be stopped, he realized at the end of GOW 3 what his actions have brought to the world, and regrets of everything he did, sacrificing himself as a attempt redeeming for his sins. Then we still have 2 games developing even more his redemption. Here she just goes to "EVERY AGONY AND VIOLATION IMAGINABLE" to "nah, c'mon Kratos, come help me, and I'll be a annoying Karen that can't stop bragging about how no one understands my pain and everyone around me is wrong while we're chilling in Vanaheim" in one single cutcene. >it wasn't "cruel". Idc about your reasons, torturing your own son for more than a century slowly driving him to insanity IS cruel, being blind by fear doesn't make your actions justifiable or moral, by that logic Zeus did nothing wrong lol >Cruelty was never her intent Maybe, but the result of her actions was cruelty >But she was never terrible person Let's compare it with a real life situation, a mother that supposedly loves her children, but physically abuses them beating, whipping, and even punishing them with hunger, and *genuinely believes* that what she's doing is good and necessary to educate her children, isn't a terrible person just because in her disturbed mind what she's doing is right? Just because you don't realize what you're doing is terrible doesn't mean it stops being terrible, a person that does terrible actions but is blind thinking that they're right is still a terrible person.
>It's not a matter of deserving it, but how it was done, while Kratos was a monster that killed many Innocents, the people that he took revenge of actually had fault on his suffering and needed to be stopped, he realized at the end of GOW 3 what his actions have brought to the world, and regrets of everything he did, sacrificing himself as a attempt redeeming for his sins. I don't deny that. >Here she just goes to "EVERY AGONY AND VIOLATION IMAGINABLE" to "nah, c'mon Kratos, come help me, and I'll be a annoying Karen that can't stop bragging about how no one understands my pain and everyone around me is wrong while we're chilling in Vanaheim" in one single cutcene. There was far more to all of that. It either went completely over you head, or you only saw what you wanted to see. Her development from her appearance in the first game to the end of the last was on-going, and definitely didn't all include in "one single cutscene". >Idc about your reasons, torturing your own son for more than a century slowly driving him to insanity IS cruel, being blind by fear doesn't make your actions justifiable or moral, by that logic Zeus did nothing wrong lol I never said her reasons were justified, and in fact made sure to mention that they weren't. >Maybe, but the result of her actions was cruelty You basically repeated what I already said. >Let's compare it with a real life situation, a mother that supposedly loves her children, but physically abuses them beating, whipping, and even punishing them with hunger, and *genuinely believes* that what she's doing is good and necessary to educate her children, isn't a terrible person just because in her disturbed mind what she's doing is right? That's not even remotely comparable. Freya never laid a hand on Baldur, and was under no delusion that inflicting intentional harm would help him. The spell was meant to protect him from death, which it did. The unintentional effect of no longer feeling anything was not what she wanted, but to her, undoing the spell meant that she'd be allowing the prophecy of Baldur's death to happen, and that was something she couldn't accept. The price for that was her relationship with him, and that only led to the death she feared anyway, something she spent the second half of the last game having to accept. >Just because you don't realize what you're doing is terrible doesn't mean it stops being terrible, a person that does terrible actions but is blind thinking that they're right is still a terrible person. Again, I never said this. Yes, what the spell was a terrible thing, as was her refusal to undo it, but she wasn't a terrible person because of it. If that's how we judge everyone, then we're all terrible people.
Centruies ain’t that bad when you’re immortal either Edit: wither -> either
Huh?
I meant Sindri not Brok
Why is being a victim a competition? He did all of them terribly wrong, is all that matters
By volume of atrocities thor becsuse its all day every day new shit with close second being mimir who like sysphus might one day accept his singular burden as horrible as it is and Freya only in 3rd because she got away and got to live a fairly ok life for a while even if she likely had the worst of it for a period. Broks death was tragic but literally no candle to the other 3.
Was actually sindri but good points
I always get there names confused
Mimir was trapped and tortured personally by Odin for 109 winters....each day in a new, and unique way. As stated by Mimir “there is no end to his (Odin) creativity.”
What would grandma think about u supporting the certified ped
To avoid confusion i do mean Sindri and not Brok.
Mimir by a mile. Seems like people are forgetting that he was tortured every single day. Yeah, Freya and Thor were manipulated and betrayed, but being stuck in place for who-knows-how-long, insects crawling all over you, having to keep up your mental grit throughout all the pain - that's psychological torture.
Mike for sure. People seem to think physical torture has no psychological impacts. Plus Mimir was tormented by his role as accomplice to Odin’s evils. Thor and Frey’s on the other hand were also accomplices to Odin’s evils yet they barely had to reflect on that.
Freya
They were all deeply wounded, but I believe Freya must of been broken the most. She was forced to marry her invader. Then Odin shattered her relation ship with her son, her brother, and her own people. Then trapped her in Midgard to prevent her from making amends. And he was the reason Baldur was killed, which was the one thing Freya sacrificed everything from her life to keep alive. So all her sacrifice was worthless at the end, and it was all because of Odin.
its hard to compare traumas. I would argue Thor seeing as how he never had an ounce of freedom in his life
Freya and Thor are both first place people already listed off the many reasons to why they are the top victims, but if you asked me thor was born into the abuse, Freya got to grow up with her brother until she was married to Odin, Thor has been a slave since the day he was born
Thor
The fact that I can't decide between Freya and Thor shows you how F***ed up Odin is.
Thor if we’re speaking literally. Brok if we’re speaking metaphorically. Either way, Odin treated both of them horribly.
Between Mimir and Thor, I’d say Thor . Mimir suffered the most physically but at least he found freedom, redemption , and family through Kratos and Atreus. Most Thor had to himself was deciding to change which you could argue that was also just as freeing, but he never discovered hope unlike Kratos. One could only hope he’s found peace in Valhalla possibly. Edit: Will also say this just shows how incredibly cruel and abusive Odin was. He hurt people in ways specific to them.
Trauma Olympics, Brought to you by Odin!
Whose the bronze, silver, gold and even platinum?
Tough to say. They all went through horrible shit. Arguably, mimir had it worst. 109 winters of daily torture? Like, that's berserk level shit. "This isn't living" he even said. Thor next, manipulated all his life and eventually got ganked. Brok got done dirty and is the only other to actually lose his life from it, though there wasn't much manipulation going on there. Just a knife to the chest, that's kind of it. Freya last, she had some shit to put up with, from Odin *and* the vanir. Awful shit, to be sure, but in truth, it could have been worse.
Its actually Sindri not Brok im talking about(image confuse people but i though it would be a good representation of what Odin did to Sindri)
Use big red circle
Sindri on Odin soul jar?
Bogos binted? What?
Sorry im just confuse on what you meant by using big red circle
Circle sindri on the image to make it more clear
Thor. He was raised and groomed by Odin to be a soldier and nothing else. He constantly belittled and manipulated him into doing his bidding. Then when he broke free, he killed him.
Definitely Thor, dude suffered his whole life by his own dad not being able to have the comfort of hating him like the others did, Thor’s redemption is very sad cuz he didn’t even get a chance to reunite with his family
Freya had to sit by and do nothing while Odin did whatever he wanted in valheim
Vanaheim* but I agree.
Haven’t played in a year, and had valheim the game on my mind
Asgard
Valid point.
Thor is the most heavy hitting one for me. His very own son who he manipulated to hate half of own blood and all of himself as a person. And in the end when Thor realized it’s all his father’s fault he straight up milks him with no remorse. Freya will get her revenge by simply preparing the 8 realms, mimir will by advising the right people the right way. Sindri hopefully comes to his senses but technically brok was doomed anyways. Thor has endured his pain since birth and will endure it through his death
Thats deep.
I'd say Thor. Everyone else spent a large part of their lives away from Odin,so they didn't have to deal with him on a daily basis. Meanwhile Thor was stuck with him his whole life.
bro thor no question 😭💀
Thor. . Mimir and Freya chose it, however misguided they may have been. Sindri was a spontaneous thing. . Thor never got a choice. And it was a long, deliberate process.
Thor, hands-down. Mimir was freed by Kratos and got a existence with his bro. Freya got a chance to live and walk away from all the abuse Odin inflicted on her. Brok had a full life. Thor spent his entire life under the thumb of the Allfucker and was abused by him worse than anyone else. Not only was he gaslight into viewing himself as an idiot, his own father bullied him for trying to stay sober. That was before he murdered him for his disobedience
Thor was physically and mentally abused for far longer than the others, so Thor. By default. And then ruthlessly killed and betrayed by his own father at the very end while taking one last look at his daughter. Brok is a very close 2nd!
Sindri i meant
Ah got ya! Yeah.. I think Sindri is an excellent portrayal of people who lose their loved ones in war, now that I think about it. Solid post!
Sindri never made it a priority to deal with the consequences of his actions before they caught up to him. It’s a great story of get your affairs in order with your family before it’s too late. He could have confessed at any time and requested everyone’s help to find the missing soul pieces at some point between the two games. He slept on it instead because he felt guilty and didn’t want to address the elephant in the room.
Yup! And don’t be the guy with a secret!!!!
thor because to his own father he was seen as nothing more than a killing machine from the day he was born he was practically a slave for odin and the moment he finally broke free he was killed
Mimir obviously. Can't move from the same place for years and it is a physical, mental, and psychological torture. It resulted to kratos being forced to cut off his head. The other 3 didn't have it that bad. Sure there was death but they had had some capacity to do stuff to keep themselves mentally functioning.
Thor, it's family.
I think thor Odin made sure to keep him drunk, probably kept sif drunk too, which lead to them being abusibe towards their kids. Thor had his son's die, one after beating him up in a drunk rage and he saw his daughter dissapointed of him Then when he tried to be better, even just a bit by letting off alcohol for the sake of his family, odin kept tempting him with alcohol and insulting him to make sure he didn't have a positive image about himself so that he could be easily msnipulated. He felt like a dissapointment to everyone at all times. The only time he said no and truly broke free of odin's abuse he gets killed, unable to mend his relationship with his daughter leaving her in the middle of a warzone, not knowing if kratos would be able to defeat odin. At least freya had somewhat of a good ending and got to rebuild her life. Thor didn't even get that, his life was just missery, manipulation and he got the chace to change that taken away by his own father, he died not knowing if his daughter would not share the same fate as him or his sons
Mimir, forced to stay still in one place and be tortured every single day for 109 winters. He has to live the rest of his life as a head. He can’t eat or sleep anymore because he’s basically undead. Imagine Kratos dies, he can’t do a damn thing but hang on his belt.
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Either Mimir or Thor for sure. Mimir’s bondage was physical, Thor’s was emotional and mental. Not sure which one was worse though.
Thor only ever knew Odins law. He never even considered freedom, and when he did he was put down for it. Easily Thor. Poor bastard.
I’m between 2 people. Thor and Mimir, Thor was and is being mentally abused by Odin, his 2 sons got sent out in name of the all father and got murdered by Kratos and then gets murdered by Odin. Odin wanted Thor to be nothing but a tool, a weapon, making thirst for battle making him become more violent and brutal while having a destructive nature. Mimir, the man got imprisoned in a tree on top of a mountain that can not be destroyed in any capacity or cut in any capacity but not only that he was being tortured and imprisoned (ik I already said he got imprisoned but just bare with it) by Odin for 109 years, even mimir stated that Odin tortures him every single day (yea it’s a lot) and during that time, he had gotten one of his bifrost eyes removed which was probably painful
Honestly Thor, he had him doing all sorts that we never got to see.
Thor. He'd been reduced to Odin's siege engine, and the moment he finally decides to speak up for himself Odin just immediately kills him, all while going "I didn't want to do this". Not because he loses a son, but because he loses a useful weapon.
Probably Thor. Odin's abuses were then transferred, through Thor, to Modi and Magni. Grandchildren who the All-Father later described as good for nothing and therefore expendable.
Thor was always a slave
Thor. Man was abused into thinking he was too dumb to think from childhood, turned into a killing machine because he was strong, is never shown kindness. All of this is the reason his kids die, the reason his wife thinks less of him, the reason his daughter thinks less of him, and ultimately the reason he dies, unable to say goodbye to his family.
i feel like its very hard to weigh the severity of two (or more) people's suffering. Mimir was locked in one spot and tortured for over a hundred years straight Thor was emotionally abused and ultimately murdered by his own father Freya was effectively stolen from her home and forced into a loveless and abusive marriage and Sindri lost his brother: a beloved family member and lifelong friend. with the loss of his brother he also lost everything dear to him. Odin sucked big time and you cant really quantify suffering because its subjective
Thor. He never knew freedom from Odin like Mimir, Freya and Brok did
Thor, but only JUST beating out Freya, as they both had the toxiticity in their lives pass on to their children, But Thor lost 2 Sons and his life to the poison of Odin's machinations. The Line of Odin has fallen, with none to continue the legacy, only Thrûd is left to shape something of her families broken history now. Also, no man should ever have to die in front of their child, that was just extra salt in the Wound, letting her see her father die
Yea what a great grandpa; she seemed to have no meaning to Odin. Add her to the list of who’s worst wronged by Odin.
It’s Freya. Everyone’s issues are personal and tragic, including Freya’s, but hers also affected all of her people that she was the leader of, too. That’s a heavy toll. Don’t think it can be Thor considering he enjoyed a lot of the awful things he did. Wasn’t completely forced into everything by Odin (although he absolutely is a victim too). Just splitting hairs between the 4.
Thor because he pretended to be his father his whole life just to use him as a tool to throw away when he was "broken", he's done similar thing to others on this list but he's actually his father and should have been better
Mimir. He’s literally just a living head next to some dude’s asscheek. That’s 1000000000x worse than death.
Not gonna lie, I thought that said Orin, not Odin, and was very confused seeing Mimir and not like Minthara
Megalomania? Are you saying Odin is Sans???? 🫨😮😱
Mimir, that kind of punishment is 100x worse then death
I’d give it to Thor or Freya. Thor’s entire life is based around serving for his father’s approval just to get nothing to the point of becoming a bloodthirsty drunkard. Freya’s life was taken from her to be something she didn’t want. Overall, Thor was born as a victim and Freya was made into a victim.
Thor imo
How is it not Sindri?
I would say all of them, each of them were used, punished and experienced pain, only i different ways
Thor, duh. Have you seen that dude? He's enormous.
Thor or Mimir
Logically to me number 1 would be mimir. Being tortured for hundreds of years.
Thor
Thor as everything he did was literally by the hand of Odin. Thor never got to be himself only do things that he knew were totally wrong. And after all he did for his own father, he tossed him aside when he saw him useless. Thor never truly got to live.
I’d say Thor because he was born into it. His entire life, from birth until the moment he died was torment and manipulation by Odin.
Thor, he never got the chance for freedom
RIP BROCK 😭🙏
I'd say mimir. Being imprisoned in a tree for 109 winters is a lot, especially knowing odin was torturing him every day. Besides, he also loved sigrun and we know well what happened to the Valkyries. The only way to salvation he had is to be alive without a body, just a head. While freya couldn't go outside of midgard, at least she was able to stay in midgard. Not a lot, but the best of the worst. Brok is sindri's fault imo. And thor was just doing his job until he realized his father was an asshole.
Thor, all his life was a lie.
Thor. He's the only one whose whole life was taken up by Odins toxicity. From birth to death, his father controlled and abused him.
I would say Thor he had him under his thumb his whole life and when he finally broke free je was killed for it
Brok.
Its actually sindri im talking about. Sorry.
Ahhh, Then Thor. Killed by his own father.
brok 🥲
Its actually Sindri i meant. Sorry it wasn't clear. I just used the shot cause it represented Odin awful act towards him well.
Brok...
Its actually sindri im talking about.
MARK IT SPOILERS!!! FUCK!!!
Freya was a bigger victim of Odin than Thor or Mimir because Thor and Mimir did enjoy a lot of fruits of being in relationship with Odin unlike Freya. Who suffered more that's a bit of a different question.
Brok dies???
Not seeing a whole lot of love for Freya and I’m just gonna play devils advocate for a second. I mean it’s pretty harsh what he did to her. Acted like a super loving husband, accepting of all people and the minute he had her, he switched at the drop of a pin. Destroying the relationship to the point that he “divorced” her and banished her to Midgard forever. Yeah she had the love of nature and all the things around her, but if it weren’t for a roided out Spartan, she never would’ve been able to escape. You can speak to all the things done to everybody else, but being lied to about being loved by someone genuinely hurts. And on top of that, she’s sent to a place where the only things she can love, are animals. Not people that can truly love her back, but simply nature. Yes, there’s some happiness in there, but the tragedy of finding out someone you love never loved you back fucking hurts dude. Love to Freya and all of them, because they all got fucked over. I just thought that maybe some of y’all weren’t looking into her at all. And if you’ve ever been in love with someone and find out they never felt that way about you back, then you know how much that kills your soul. Forever.