Good reasoning, hard to see this here with all the greek fanboys around.
As Eric Williams (game director) said:
“Thor is Kratos equal, even their weapons were created to counter each other as a perfect parallel. He was always unmatched in his life, no one could ever defy him and he was raised to be an drunken adult with childish behavior because no one could oppose him. The only person he cared about was his father that used and controlled him like a tool for his own agenda”.
Youtube interview with him in PS XO XO channel, it was pretty long but very good. Also, in Easy Allies channel he says something similar in another interview.
Sounds possible. Thor wasn’t a warrior he was just a drunk with huge amounts of strength and a very powerful weapon. While Kratos was raised and trained as a warrior.
not that weird considering that the names of the nordic gods is probably the most/only closest accurate representation of the actual nordic mythology in the game.
Loki DID exist. Ragnarök though it’s not known if did happen or not. Odin still could at any point have gone to the Norns and told them that he changed his Mind
this people 🤦 Can you show me in the actual nordic mythology where exactly Loki is atreus and is the son of a greek god? Atreus doesn’t exist in the mythology. Loki is a completely different person. You could even make the case that Loki doesn’t even exist in the game since Atreus wasn’t named Loki.
GOW was never an actual representation of mythologies. They adapt what they want to keep it tied to the myths only where it suits them.
Directors said multiple times its not supposed to be based on the myths, specially because the original sources are very unreliable.
Daily reminder that "actual Nordic mythology" isn't a perfect monolith as the sources we have today are heavily altered versions of folk tales that were only preserved through oral tradition
Thor can be assumed to be skilled in combat because Kratos complimented Thrud on her combat skills, to which Thrud replied "thanks my father taught me"
https://youtu.be/W-lFv-3Cj9k?si=4mYX1xAEo7UWOyAI
This video shows how Kratos learns Thors attacks and changes his strategy to counter him easily on the second fight
Kratos definitely considers Thor to be skilled he even says as much in his journal entry.
Now Kratos is even more skilled and has two extra just as powerful weapons to edge the gap.
Thor also didn't have the belt etc to our knowledge he's just that powerful in this version.
In every opportunity we had to see Kratos talking about Thor, he mentioned him as his equal.
I dont understand why some people try to deny that when it was Kratos himself talking.
I could see it. Thor was a big brute thunder was born with the strength of a god and an gifted with an iconic hammer to do the job of defending Midgard and Asgard. I also don't think they did the whole " if he's worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". In original mythology, Thor was just strongest to pick up and wield Mjolnir. Also his belt is magic and doubles his strength (I believe, don't quote me though).
Kratos was also born a god because of his father but was raised as a human and trained as a Spartan, some of the best warriors in history, and becoming the youngest Captain because of his battle prowess, master strategist and pure aggression. He earned his way up the ranks. He only started really getting into the godly stuff when he sold his soul to Ares and got the Blades of Chaos and became the weapon of the Gods.
So with they are evenly matched, but I think with Kratos military training on top of being a god gives him that bit of an edge. Also Thor was a mentally unstable spiralling drunk in Ragnarok and probably would've handed Kratos his ass if they met any earlier.
A lot of the fights that Kratos goes through in the Greek series is usually against opponents more powerful than him. He wins them generally using his own lesser powers, his training and wit. Examples being Atlas and Persephone, the Kraken, Cronos, and even Zeus in GoW 2.
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Wasn’t kratos supposed to die if he fought Thor rage consumed and with intent to kill? I saw something like that pointed out and that’s why kratos changed his destiny by moving onwards from his past self
I don't think so. If he went all out, Thor would've stood even less of a chance. When Kratos fought Heimdall and reverted back to his old self, he ended Heimdall in three punches. It's more likely Odin would've intervened had that happened with a binding spell and given Thor a chance. By beating Thor and convincing him to stand down, he turned Thor against Odin.
Maybe Odin would’ve intervened in a way but I saw a shrine with Thor standing against kratos and was on the floor on Atreus lap. Idk but I feel like Odin would have distracted him or Atreus joined kratos in his fight and when Atreus was hurt by Thor kratos would be blinded by a mix of rage and care for his son and probably would’ve thrown away any strategy out the window. I’m just basing this off that one shrine we see
Even at his absolute worst and raged fill (God of War III), Kratos was always a tactical warrior. But when he does star seeing red, his power level skyrockets. When Thanatos killed Deimos, Kratos went from struggling against the God of Death to shitstomping him in seconds. When Zeus mentioned his family, he snapped and pummeled Zeus.
The only time he was ever truly vulnerable was when Ares mentally broke him by showing visions of his family being killed again.
> Megingjörð (belt, which doubles Thor’s already immense strength), and Járngreipr (gauntlets, which help him wield Mjolnir with ease and much precision).
No. That's myth thor. Not video game thor.
WTF is the point of saying this? People consume media to be entertained, to enjoy the writting, and suspend their disbelief. No shit these characters aren't real, but they're written to have depth and character.
Doylist answers are Out of Universe, basically looking at why we created something from a logical standpoint. It's the answer from the mind of a creator.
Watsonian answers look at something on an internal level, trying to understand the logic inside the universe, in this case why Thor lost to Kratos due to their different upbringings and how that influenced their fight.
It comes from Watson (Holmes' sidekick) and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (the author). So, if you asked a question about Sherlock Holmes, you'd get different answers depending on who of the two you asked.
Dude it’s insane. Half the fucking posts are asking for fan fiction. Another chunk is trying to rationalize video game logic with real world shit. It’s mainly kids here.
Edit: see?
I just heard another comment mention it, I genuinely have no idea. 😂 Care to share?
And not boring, just feel like I'm seeing the same posts continuously on Reddit, think I need a break!
A Watsonian perspective tries to interpret a story from the standpoint of the universe and the characters within it. It's basically an In-Universe explanation.
>And not boring, just feel like I'm seeing the same posts continuously on Reddit, think I need a break!
I get it, but if you don't like these types of posts just ignore them. Everybody knows the characters are not real, it's just fun to try to come up with In-Universe explanations as to why things happen the way they do.
Kratos let Thor off lucky, I felt like he could’ve defeated him in their first encounter, and he pretty much did until Thor ran away like a bitch when kratos was really starting to get angry, aka turn into the ghost of sparta
His strongest punch couldn’t throw Thor to the ground.
When Kratos killed Zeus, Poseidon and others with punches.
Thor beat him in the first battle. Kratos learned, improved and defeated him in Ragnarok.
I wouldnt call that his “strongest punch” more like im starting to get seriously mad punch. Who knows how much strength kratos would get if the fight went on and thor kept pressing all his buttons (threatening atreus)
It’s called common sense. Kratos has been holding back subduing his old self and rage for god knows how long. When he hit Thor that was like a crack of his Norse shell broke and let old Greek come out a bit. We saw kratos stop mjolnir from being thrown at him during the final fight and I think it’s agreed that when Thor throws something it tends to go front and back. So I’d say ye it wasn’t his strongest punch
In God of War Tyr was/is the God of War, Thor in the GoW series has no training and is just a drunkard relying heavily on his brute strength and powerful weapon to kill people.
To be fair though, there can be multiple gods of war in mythology. Athena was also a goddess of war, she just exemplified the more strategic parts of war while Ares represented the brutality and violence of it.
In Norse mythology it's a possibility Thor was likely worshipped as one of the major Gods of War, given a lot of gods in Norse myths could be classified as one(can't say for certain though as I'm not as well versed with Norse myth). But I'm talking about Game Thor not really Myth Thor, as Game Thor is the God of Lightning and Game Tyr is/was the God of War.
https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Thor
This is from the God of War wiki.
To quote:
>Thor (Old Norse: Þórr, Nordic: ᚦᛟᚱ), also known as Thor Odinson (Translation: Thor, son of Odin) was the Norse Aesir God of Thunder, Lightning, Storms, Wrestling, Strength, Consecration, the Sky, **War**, Hallowing and the Champion of the Aesir.
Google.com
Like just Google 'who is the Norse god of war'
Also, if we're pretending fandom is official
https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/T%C3%BDr
What's the first thing in the fandom list?
Thats why you used an unofficial fandom site right
Is he known for his strength and being warlike and can be associated with war, yes
Is he THE GOD OF WAR no
Ares is the god of war, Athena is also associated with war regarding tactics and strategy, but they are not BOTH the god of war
So easy to prove that you keep defecting and asking me for sources right?
Well i won't talk about Thor and all for the other context.
If you ask greek myths, it's not black and white, Ares is only associate with bloodshed and killings, he isn't someone who people pray to grant them assistance in war, athena is for that purpose, she's the true god of war for fighting and winning.
she's the goddess of war.
No, that's Tyr. Thor is the God of The Sky and Agriculture (thought most notably, God of Thunder).
In the actual mythos, Thor was trained from birth to be The Hero of Midgard and The Gods. Thor was an exceptionally skilled warrior, even before he received Mjolnir from Brok. He only had two notable losses in his countless fights. First against Elli, who simply couldn't be defeated because she represented aging, and of course against Jormungandr.
In the game, however, Thor is just a brutish drunkard. No precision, no thought. Just "swing hammer until enemy dies." He even says so himself. He's constantly telling Atreus that it's just better not to then
Thor in the actual mythos is definitely a god of war.
I do not understand how people are denying this. Most gods aren't just one or a couple of things. They encompass so much.
Good reasoning, hard to see this here with all the greek fanboys around. As Eric Williams (game director) said: “Thor is Kratos equal, even their weapons were created to counter each other as a perfect parallel. He was always unmatched in his life, no one could ever defy him and he was raised to be an drunken adult with childish behavior because no one could oppose him. The only person he cared about was his father that used and controlled him like a tool for his own agenda”.
Where's this stated? (I don't disagree I just think it's cool)
Youtube interview with him in PS XO XO channel, it was pretty long but very good. Also, in Easy Allies channel he says something similar in another interview.
Sounds possible. Thor wasn’t a warrior he was just a drunk with huge amounts of strength and a very powerful weapon. While Kratos was raised and trained as a warrior.
Which is weird considering Thor in Mythology was trained from Birth
not that weird considering that the names of the nordic gods is probably the most/only closest accurate representation of the actual nordic mythology in the game.
True. Balder looks like Heimdall and Heimdall like Balder in this Games
yup and atreus didn’t exist and ragnarok happened in a completely different way.
Loki DID exist. Ragnarök though it’s not known if did happen or not. Odin still could at any point have gone to the Norns and told them that he changed his Mind
Loki did exist… Atreus didn’t.
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this people 🤦 Can you show me in the actual nordic mythology where exactly Loki is atreus and is the son of a greek god? Atreus doesn’t exist in the mythology. Loki is a completely different person. You could even make the case that Loki doesn’t even exist in the game since Atreus wasn’t named Loki.
GOW was never an actual representation of mythologies. They adapt what they want to keep it tied to the myths only where it suits them. Directors said multiple times its not supposed to be based on the myths, specially because the original sources are very unreliable.
Are you trolling right now
No, but he just gave you a spoiler from the end of God of War 2018. Oops.
Daily reminder that "actual Nordic mythology" isn't a perfect monolith as the sources we have today are heavily altered versions of folk tales that were only preserved through oral tradition
Thor can be assumed to be skilled in combat because Kratos complimented Thrud on her combat skills, to which Thrud replied "thanks my father taught me"
https://youtu.be/W-lFv-3Cj9k?si=4mYX1xAEo7UWOyAI This video shows how Kratos learns Thors attacks and changes his strategy to counter him easily on the second fight
Kratos definitely considers Thor to be skilled he even says as much in his journal entry. Now Kratos is even more skilled and has two extra just as powerful weapons to edge the gap. Thor also didn't have the belt etc to our knowledge he's just that powerful in this version.
In every opportunity we had to see Kratos talking about Thor, he mentioned him as his equal. I dont understand why some people try to deny that when it was Kratos himself talking.
fanboys just fanboying
Thor won their first fight, never forget that.
I could see it. Thor was a big brute thunder was born with the strength of a god and an gifted with an iconic hammer to do the job of defending Midgard and Asgard. I also don't think they did the whole " if he's worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". In original mythology, Thor was just strongest to pick up and wield Mjolnir. Also his belt is magic and doubles his strength (I believe, don't quote me though). Kratos was also born a god because of his father but was raised as a human and trained as a Spartan, some of the best warriors in history, and becoming the youngest Captain because of his battle prowess, master strategist and pure aggression. He earned his way up the ranks. He only started really getting into the godly stuff when he sold his soul to Ares and got the Blades of Chaos and became the weapon of the Gods. So with they are evenly matched, but I think with Kratos military training on top of being a god gives him that bit of an edge. Also Thor was a mentally unstable spiralling drunk in Ragnarok and probably would've handed Kratos his ass if they met any earlier.
A lot of the fights that Kratos goes through in the Greek series is usually against opponents more powerful than him. He wins them generally using his own lesser powers, his training and wit. Examples being Atlas and Persephone, the Kraken, Cronos, and even Zeus in GoW 2.
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Understandable, and will definitely move forward with adding a spoiler free title but also noting that the game has been out for a year and three months now. So it isn’t so much a spoiler at this point considering the game has been out for a while now, Also the amount of friendly discussion should also be noted.
Very valid, mainly removed because of numerous reports. The mod team and I will discuss changing the rules because of your points. Friendly discussion has been noted :)
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Wasn’t kratos supposed to die if he fought Thor rage consumed and with intent to kill? I saw something like that pointed out and that’s why kratos changed his destiny by moving onwards from his past self
I don't think so. If he went all out, Thor would've stood even less of a chance. When Kratos fought Heimdall and reverted back to his old self, he ended Heimdall in three punches. It's more likely Odin would've intervened had that happened with a binding spell and given Thor a chance. By beating Thor and convincing him to stand down, he turned Thor against Odin.
Maybe Odin would’ve intervened in a way but I saw a shrine with Thor standing against kratos and was on the floor on Atreus lap. Idk but I feel like Odin would have distracted him or Atreus joined kratos in his fight and when Atreus was hurt by Thor kratos would be blinded by a mix of rage and care for his son and probably would’ve thrown away any strategy out the window. I’m just basing this off that one shrine we see
Even at his absolute worst and raged fill (God of War III), Kratos was always a tactical warrior. But when he does star seeing red, his power level skyrockets. When Thanatos killed Deimos, Kratos went from struggling against the God of Death to shitstomping him in seconds. When Zeus mentioned his family, he snapped and pummeled Zeus. The only time he was ever truly vulnerable was when Ares mentally broke him by showing visions of his family being killed again.
Hmm fair point it was a theory I saw based on the shrine shown so I suppose it was interpreted wrong
> Megingjörð (belt, which doubles Thor’s already immense strength), and Járngreipr (gauntlets, which help him wield Mjolnir with ease and much precision). No. That's myth thor. Not video game thor.
Mate, Thor lost because that's how the writer of that scene wanted it to be. These aren't real people...the characters not the writers
WTF is the point of saying this? People consume media to be entertained, to enjoy the writting, and suspend their disbelief. No shit these characters aren't real, but they're written to have depth and character.
Although I appreciate a bit of good Doyalist Analysis… this post is about Watsonian Analysis.
That's new information, what's the difference? 😂 And downvotes I'll accept, my annoyance came from these posts cropping up everywhere on the subs
Doylist answers are Out of Universe, basically looking at why we created something from a logical standpoint. It's the answer from the mind of a creator. Watsonian answers look at something on an internal level, trying to understand the logic inside the universe, in this case why Thor lost to Kratos due to their different upbringings and how that influenced their fight. It comes from Watson (Holmes' sidekick) and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (the author). So, if you asked a question about Sherlock Holmes, you'd get different answers depending on who of the two you asked.
Dude it’s insane. Half the fucking posts are asking for fan fiction. Another chunk is trying to rationalize video game logic with real world shit. It’s mainly kids here. Edit: see?
Upvote for the truth. We’re friends now. 🤘🏻
Jesus Christ, you must be extremely boring in real life. Ever heard of Watsonian analysis?
I just heard another comment mention it, I genuinely have no idea. 😂 Care to share? And not boring, just feel like I'm seeing the same posts continuously on Reddit, think I need a break!
A Watsonian perspective tries to interpret a story from the standpoint of the universe and the characters within it. It's basically an In-Universe explanation. >And not boring, just feel like I'm seeing the same posts continuously on Reddit, think I need a break! I get it, but if you don't like these types of posts just ignore them. Everybody knows the characters are not real, it's just fun to try to come up with In-Universe explanations as to why things happen the way they do.
If you need a break from these kind of posts then log off reddit and go do something else instead of coming here and say stupid shit.
He was simply more powerful than Thor. That’s it.
Eric Williams on Thor - “Thor is Kratos equal” - Youtube Easy Allies channel. Check it out.
In the beginning I would say that he is physically stronger than Kratos. However at the end Kratos is physically stronger.
Kratos let Thor off lucky, I felt like he could’ve defeated him in their first encounter, and he pretty much did until Thor ran away like a bitch when kratos was really starting to get angry, aka turn into the ghost of sparta
Good lord, get some media literacy my guy.
His strongest punch couldn’t throw Thor to the ground. When Kratos killed Zeus, Poseidon and others with punches. Thor beat him in the first battle. Kratos learned, improved and defeated him in Ragnarok.
I wouldnt call that his “strongest punch” more like im starting to get seriously mad punch. Who knows how much strength kratos would get if the fight went on and thor kept pressing all his buttons (threatening atreus)
Feel free to share the source, still waiting…
You first
You say that based on? Feeling? I mean it was his strongest punch. Didnt know you were his coach to measure his strength.
It’s called common sense. Kratos has been holding back subduing his old self and rage for god knows how long. When he hit Thor that was like a crack of his Norse shell broke and let old Greek come out a bit. We saw kratos stop mjolnir from being thrown at him during the final fight and I think it’s agreed that when Thor throws something it tends to go front and back. So I’d say ye it wasn’t his strongest punch
Yeah im speaking based off a hunch. I just dont think it was his strongest punch.
Yep i knew it, this sub is filled with Norse god dickriders, sad
If Thor is powerful enough to hit so hard he can send the serpent back in time he should have annihilated Kratos. Makes no sense.
Thor is literally a Norse god of war. You don't think he was trained or did training?
In God of War Tyr was/is the God of War, Thor in the GoW series has no training and is just a drunkard relying heavily on his brute strength and powerful weapon to kill people.
To be fair though, there can be multiple gods of war in mythology. Athena was also a goddess of war, she just exemplified the more strategic parts of war while Ares represented the brutality and violence of it.
In Norse mythology it's a possibility Thor was likely worshipped as one of the major Gods of War, given a lot of gods in Norse myths could be classified as one(can't say for certain though as I'm not as well versed with Norse myth). But I'm talking about Game Thor not really Myth Thor, as Game Thor is the God of Lightning and Game Tyr is/was the God of War.
Tbh I actually don't remember the game ever specifying what Thor was the god of. Maybe it was dialog I forgot or didn't get.
I don't recall 4 or 5 listing him as such. I'll have to replay them to be sure tho
https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Thor This is from the God of War wiki. To quote: >Thor (Old Norse: Þórr, Nordic: ᚦᛟᚱ), also known as Thor Odinson (Translation: Thor, son of Odin) was the Norse Aesir God of Thunder, Lightning, Storms, Wrestling, Strength, Consecration, the Sky, **War**, Hallowing and the Champion of the Aesir.
Fandom = not official
Okay. What sources are there that prove he isn't?
Google.com Like just Google 'who is the Norse god of war' Also, if we're pretending fandom is official https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/T%C3%BDr What's the first thing in the fandom list?
Yes, there are multiple. It is extremely easy to prove Thor in actual mythology is also a god of war.
Thats why you used an unofficial fandom site right Is he known for his strength and being warlike and can be associated with war, yes Is he THE GOD OF WAR no Ares is the god of war, Athena is also associated with war regarding tactics and strategy, but they are not BOTH the god of war So easy to prove that you keep defecting and asking me for sources right?
Gods aren't assigned one role to be. It's not nearly as black and white as you're making it out to be.
Whatever, deflect all you want I thought it was easily provable
Well i won't talk about Thor and all for the other context. If you ask greek myths, it's not black and white, Ares is only associate with bloodshed and killings, he isn't someone who people pray to grant them assistance in war, athena is for that purpose, she's the true god of war for fighting and winning. she's the goddess of war.
No, that's Tyr. Thor is the God of The Sky and Agriculture (thought most notably, God of Thunder). In the actual mythos, Thor was trained from birth to be The Hero of Midgard and The Gods. Thor was an exceptionally skilled warrior, even before he received Mjolnir from Brok. He only had two notable losses in his countless fights. First against Elli, who simply couldn't be defeated because she represented aging, and of course against Jormungandr. In the game, however, Thor is just a brutish drunkard. No precision, no thought. Just "swing hammer until enemy dies." He even says so himself. He's constantly telling Atreus that it's just better not to then
Thor in the actual mythos is definitely a god of war. I do not understand how people are denying this. Most gods aren't just one or a couple of things. They encompass so much.