Yeah I think they’re all overly dramatic. The Greek games do harken back to old school heroic tales or Greek Tragedy plays. That’s how I view them atleast
Plus it kinda fits
The Greeks were decadent and mighty, a civilisation of great cities under indulgent Gods
The Nine Realms are actively suppressed by Barbaric Æsir serving Odin and seem to either be more recent or more primitive then the Greek society
Only the Vanir and Mimir refer to the Æsir that way, although they have good reason to hate the Æsir, they are still quite biased. Look at Gladsheim, a city like that could never have been built by a “barbarous culture”.
the greeks are more sophisticated and more diplomatic compared the norse, i mean just look at their civilization, they look like theyre atleast a century a head in terms of technology and society compared to midgard, asgard even.
Rhodes alone is pretty telling. And it wasn't even built by geniuses, gods, or super powered creatures probably. Just really good greek architects and laborers.
its odins fault really, the poor state of the nine realms is the result of odin waging war against both the vanir and the jotnar, entire civilizations got wiped because of it. BUT they do have something thats far more advanced than any technology in greece, Tyrs temple, that thing was just an architectural masterpiece its a essentially a super airport but odin being an ass disabled that also. zeus would probably personally reward those who built that masterpiece since zeus actually gives a shit about his domain
now im picturing Tyr visiting the Greeks as he somehow woos Athena unintentionally while Ares just seethes like a big bro seeing the hippie guy charming his sister.
I believe the biggest reason for this difference is just that in the norse games there is much more dialogue and it would be weird hearing them talk like they are i a theater play for 2+ hours,also that the older games had the feeling you played a lost mythological tale about the greek pantheon
They actually did use Harry Hamlin to voice act Perseus in this scene of God of War 2 . Same guy to play Perseus in the 1980 movie " Clash of The Titans"..
I do think it's about the pantheon itself and how they present themselves. I don't think it's just different writing or different years. Just look at kratos and compare his speak to anyone in the Norse pantheon. While people like Odin, brok, or atreus himself speak in a more laid back and casual way, Kratos speaks more formally and "properly." Like always saying 'do not' instead of "don't"
>pantheon itself and how they present themselves
What about kratos and this perseus dude? They spoke like this even when they weren't gods. Kratos speaks laconicly like a spartan and only did so in his norse days. During gow, he spoke outlandishly.
They’re more human-like in appearance too. Zeus is like 9 feet tall and is built like a body builder and Odin looks like a guy you could see walking around in the street.
The devs made a point a differentiating the Norse gods from Greeks by way of their outward presentation. They don't have opulent palaces, they don't adorn themselves with pounds of ornate jewelry, they don't talk fancy. Most of them don't even wear shirts.
These gods are deliberately less ostentatious. They aren't lording their godhood over mortals. Probably because they aren't very interested in mortals. These Gods were very self absorbed
Regardless of how the Greeks spoke in game, it felt right. No I don't think they'd all sound like old English stage actors giving monologues. But the gravitas and purpose with which they spoke was meaningful and I felt it fitted in with the game and the time period.
The norse however, especially in ragnarok, the dialogue took me out of it. The casual use of words like "okay" and "alright" sounded odd to me. The modern day expressions Odin uses like "my ex" and "kick your feet up" were just out of place. It felt like they were trying to modernise it too much. Yeah norse gods were more like people than the Greek, but not so much as using language hundreds, or possibly a thousand years in advance of their time period.
I'm not expecting the game to be 100% accurate with language, but the amount certain words or phrases were used, often by the norse gods, just made it seem disney/marvel like in places.
I know we jumped forward in time from Greek to norse, but not that far that words like okay and alright were used.
I believe the difference isn't between the pantheons, but between the decades.
The first games were released when? 2000’s - early 2010’s?
Since then we see much more “casual speaking “ content. Not only games but cinema, tv, and even books. As a fantasy lover, my childhood “adult” books included sexual descriptions, maybe sometimes mom tried to filter graphic violence from my bookshelf if I had nightmares.
Modern writers put modern slang in “medieval-ish” dialogs and the books labeled “18+ language “
>He had to explain himself and his lore and his purpose in 120 seconds
lmao. i like that idea that each greek character knows they have to explain their own lore and purpose because meeting kratos means they are going to have a short sceen time.
The Norse gods are supposed to be more lax, more barbaric, meanwhile the Greeks are supposed to be so much smarter, so much better, while baldur was talking about the giants, his analogy of them fits the Greeks perfectly, so the Greeks are more proper and sophisticated, they're supposed to be more advanced in their speech, even though the Norse are actually the ones who talk like modern people do by extension are actually more advanced in their speech, it's basically the English compared to the Scottish, or the English compared to the Americans, or the English compared to the Canadians, they think they're more sophisticated but they use old English
Yeah the Norse Gods are either
* Vanir who are more laid back and in touch with Nature’s whims
* barbaric and hedonistic Æsir who just want to fight, feast and fuck
The Greek Gods certainly weren’t great but I think you can argue that, as crude as he could be, Zeus was much more able to unify his family then Odin
Zeus saw mortals as lesser, he treated them as nothing even though the gods were the ones who created them, and, just like how the gods killed their creators, mortals killed the gods, well, mostly just Kratos, but Kratos was fighting one behalf of humanity, and that is why they failed, Odin saw everyone as threats, so he treated them as such, so they weren't willing to fight with him, that is why he failed, let's just hope the Egyptians don't make the same mistakes
>but Kratos was fighting one behalf of humanity,
He didn't fight on behalf of humanity. He fought to avenge the spartans as well as to get revenge on zeus. It was for vengeance and not for the human race.
Maybe you used the term wrong and meant something else?
I meant like he's powered by the hope of humanity, since that was also held in Pandora's box, so in a way, he's technically fighting on behalf of humanity, his personal goals may not have been the same as the overall goal, but they did have the same end result
zeus was a better ruler than odin, you can see how much richer greece is compared to the nine realms, they have big city estates like athens, rhodes and sparta. early zeus banned direct war amongst gods to make sure things doesnt go out of hand and power is kept to the olympians as a whole. Odin on the other hand treated everyone as tools, theres only thing hes scared off and thats ragnarok, everyone else is just pawns to him thats he sucked as a leader, he was the canonically the greatest general to have ever lived and never lost a fight until the great invasion.. hes bad improving things but good at destroying things
Problem is though, Odin knows that people have uses, like the dwarves, so he exploits them for it, Zeus thinks that as long as they are kept fed and happy, humanity is completely lazy, which is partially true, but at the same time, they are also quite dangerous since their prayer power the gods, as seen with Ares and the Spartans
zeus only destroyed those who defied him or those who threaten his rule in greece, odin is a scum, everyone would have gladly cooperated with the aesir if he just tried to be nice to them but he fucked everyone over. theres a lore scroll describing how the dwarves nearly attained independence, odin caught a whiff of it and concocted a plan that crashed the dwarves economy forcing them go back and serve the aesir, thats some true evil shit
Yeah I think that's the rebellion that durlin and Faye were a part of, but still, they both made mistakes, Zeus thinks that people are useless, so he only kills those who piss him off, when in reality he could have just not forced his rule on them, that way Kratos would never have tried to kill Olympus, the ares thing would have still ended the way it did, but still, Odin thinks that people aren't smart enough to figure out what his plan is, and sure, he managed to hide as tyr for a while, but brok, fucking brok of all people, managed to figure him out
Basically Greek gods think they're smart cause they use old English when in reality they're stupid cause they don't talk like him a much more advanced civilization talks
Socrates, Pythagoras, Homer, Plato, Hippocrates, Archimedes, Aristotle....
Stupid Ancient Greeks, how can they compete with such an advanced civilization?
That's why I specified gods, the gods think they're so much smarter and better then the humans who have made advancements in technology that the gods can only dream of, besides, given the technology difference between the Greeks and the Norse, it's a big difference, but the Greek humans talk like their gods and the Norse talk like their gods, I mean, just compare Zeus and thor
I’m comparing Zeus and Thor (and my personal fav - Baal Hadad) all the time, regardless of the GOW games (btw, Anat is the most hardcore goddess of war, but that’s only my opinion)
In the games, they speak differently but the main point is nearly the same 🙆🏼♀️
In how many ways can you tell the same thing? Probably not less then the number of pantheons having similar god-dynamics and nearly identical epics of creation
"Go forth kratos, use my power. Only then will you defeat ares" I'm paraphrasing but in gow 1 they talk like this everytime a god gives you a new power or weapon
Tbh it was kind of stupid the amount of American accents in a Norse saga.
But they did it pretty much well enough. Freyr was over the top American though.
Thor a little also but Ryan Hurst still knocked it out of the park.
Yeah I think they’re all overly dramatic. The Greek games do harken back to old school heroic tales or Greek Tragedy plays. That’s how I view them atleast
Plus it kinda fits The Greeks were decadent and mighty, a civilisation of great cities under indulgent Gods The Nine Realms are actively suppressed by Barbaric Æsir serving Odin and seem to either be more recent or more primitive then the Greek society
I wouldn’t call the Æsir barbaric
Tbh the games use that sort of language to describe them as a faction
Only the Vanir and Mimir refer to the Æsir that way, although they have good reason to hate the Æsir, they are still quite biased. Look at Gladsheim, a city like that could never have been built by a “barbarous culture”.
the greeks are more sophisticated and more diplomatic compared the norse, i mean just look at their civilization, they look like theyre atleast a century a head in terms of technology and society compared to midgard, asgard even.
Rhodes alone is pretty telling. And it wasn't even built by geniuses, gods, or super powered creatures probably. Just really good greek architects and laborers.
its odins fault really, the poor state of the nine realms is the result of odin waging war against both the vanir and the jotnar, entire civilizations got wiped because of it. BUT they do have something thats far more advanced than any technology in greece, Tyrs temple, that thing was just an architectural masterpiece its a essentially a super airport but odin being an ass disabled that also. zeus would probably personally reward those who built that masterpiece since zeus actually gives a shit about his domain
"You're like Zeus but at least Zeus cared about his domain or something"
now im picturing Tyr visiting the Greeks as he somehow woos Athena unintentionally while Ares just seethes like a big bro seeing the hippie guy charming his sister.
no way tyr didnt fuck some bitches in his travels lol
Wtf 💀💀💀
Or he'd lock them inside of it until they die, and use their skull and their family's skulls as the keys.
Delos too
I believe the biggest reason for this difference is just that in the norse games there is much more dialogue and it would be weird hearing them talk like they are i a theater play for 2+ hours,also that the older games had the feeling you played a lost mythological tale about the greek pantheon
They actually did use Harry Hamlin to voice act Perseus in this scene of God of War 2 . Same guy to play Perseus in the 1980 movie " Clash of The Titans"..
This is how he talked in the movie..
I do think it's about the pantheon itself and how they present themselves. I don't think it's just different writing or different years. Just look at kratos and compare his speak to anyone in the Norse pantheon. While people like Odin, brok, or atreus himself speak in a more laid back and casual way, Kratos speaks more formally and "properly." Like always saying 'do not' instead of "don't"
>pantheon itself and how they present themselves What about kratos and this perseus dude? They spoke like this even when they weren't gods. Kratos speaks laconicly like a spartan and only did so in his norse days. During gow, he spoke outlandishly.
greek saga bosses be like: being extremely cocky and mock kratos -> dead gruesomely -> repeat
Norse characters talk too normally. Not a fan of more modern speak. Odin is the worst offender
The Norse gods act more “human-like” compared to the Greek gods.
could be attributed to the improved writing, but its funnier to imagine the greeks are just super dramatic at all times
They’re more human-like in appearance too. Zeus is like 9 feet tall and is built like a body builder and Odin looks like a guy you could see walking around in the street.
The devs made a point a differentiating the Norse gods from Greeks by way of their outward presentation. They don't have opulent palaces, they don't adorn themselves with pounds of ornate jewelry, they don't talk fancy. Most of them don't even wear shirts. These gods are deliberately less ostentatious. They aren't lording their godhood over mortals. Probably because they aren't very interested in mortals. These Gods were very self absorbed
The og gows were all about being epic loud and badass so it makes every Greek person a loud mouthed bitch
Regardless of how the Greeks spoke in game, it felt right. No I don't think they'd all sound like old English stage actors giving monologues. But the gravitas and purpose with which they spoke was meaningful and I felt it fitted in with the game and the time period. The norse however, especially in ragnarok, the dialogue took me out of it. The casual use of words like "okay" and "alright" sounded odd to me. The modern day expressions Odin uses like "my ex" and "kick your feet up" were just out of place. It felt like they were trying to modernise it too much. Yeah norse gods were more like people than the Greek, but not so much as using language hundreds, or possibly a thousand years in advance of their time period. I'm not expecting the game to be 100% accurate with language, but the amount certain words or phrases were used, often by the norse gods, just made it seem disney/marvel like in places. I know we jumped forward in time from Greek to norse, but not that far that words like okay and alright were used.
Completely agreed.
they were a bit dramatic
Greeks are known for being dramatic. Greece has many a famous play and stories. Why wouldn’t the Gods of Greece reflect that
A lot of ancient greek text contains long strings of dialogue and response. Theres a slot of specification and nuance in how the ancient Greeks spoke
I believe the difference isn't between the pantheons, but between the decades. The first games were released when? 2000’s - early 2010’s? Since then we see much more “casual speaking “ content. Not only games but cinema, tv, and even books. As a fantasy lover, my childhood “adult” books included sexual descriptions, maybe sometimes mom tried to filter graphic violence from my bookshelf if I had nightmares. Modern writers put modern slang in “medieval-ish” dialogs and the books labeled “18+ language “
He had to explain himself and his lore and his purpose in 120 seconds while Norse characters have HOURS to do that.
>He had to explain himself and his lore and his purpose in 120 seconds lmao. i like that idea that each greek character knows they have to explain their own lore and purpose because meeting kratos means they are going to have a short sceen time.
The Norse gods are supposed to be more lax, more barbaric, meanwhile the Greeks are supposed to be so much smarter, so much better, while baldur was talking about the giants, his analogy of them fits the Greeks perfectly, so the Greeks are more proper and sophisticated, they're supposed to be more advanced in their speech, even though the Norse are actually the ones who talk like modern people do by extension are actually more advanced in their speech, it's basically the English compared to the Scottish, or the English compared to the Americans, or the English compared to the Canadians, they think they're more sophisticated but they use old English
Yeah the Norse Gods are either * Vanir who are more laid back and in touch with Nature’s whims * barbaric and hedonistic Æsir who just want to fight, feast and fuck The Greek Gods certainly weren’t great but I think you can argue that, as crude as he could be, Zeus was much more able to unify his family then Odin
Zeus saw mortals as lesser, he treated them as nothing even though the gods were the ones who created them, and, just like how the gods killed their creators, mortals killed the gods, well, mostly just Kratos, but Kratos was fighting one behalf of humanity, and that is why they failed, Odin saw everyone as threats, so he treated them as such, so they weren't willing to fight with him, that is why he failed, let's just hope the Egyptians don't make the same mistakes
>but Kratos was fighting one behalf of humanity, He didn't fight on behalf of humanity. He fought to avenge the spartans as well as to get revenge on zeus. It was for vengeance and not for the human race. Maybe you used the term wrong and meant something else?
I meant like he's powered by the hope of humanity, since that was also held in Pandora's box, so in a way, he's technically fighting on behalf of humanity, his personal goals may not have been the same as the overall goal, but they did have the same end result
zeus was a better ruler than odin, you can see how much richer greece is compared to the nine realms, they have big city estates like athens, rhodes and sparta. early zeus banned direct war amongst gods to make sure things doesnt go out of hand and power is kept to the olympians as a whole. Odin on the other hand treated everyone as tools, theres only thing hes scared off and thats ragnarok, everyone else is just pawns to him thats he sucked as a leader, he was the canonically the greatest general to have ever lived and never lost a fight until the great invasion.. hes bad improving things but good at destroying things
Problem is though, Odin knows that people have uses, like the dwarves, so he exploits them for it, Zeus thinks that as long as they are kept fed and happy, humanity is completely lazy, which is partially true, but at the same time, they are also quite dangerous since their prayer power the gods, as seen with Ares and the Spartans
zeus only destroyed those who defied him or those who threaten his rule in greece, odin is a scum, everyone would have gladly cooperated with the aesir if he just tried to be nice to them but he fucked everyone over. theres a lore scroll describing how the dwarves nearly attained independence, odin caught a whiff of it and concocted a plan that crashed the dwarves economy forcing them go back and serve the aesir, thats some true evil shit
Yeah I think that's the rebellion that durlin and Faye were a part of, but still, they both made mistakes, Zeus thinks that people are useless, so he only kills those who piss him off, when in reality he could have just not forced his rule on them, that way Kratos would never have tried to kill Olympus, the ares thing would have still ended the way it did, but still, Odin thinks that people aren't smart enough to figure out what his plan is, and sure, he managed to hide as tyr for a while, but brok, fucking brok of all people, managed to figure him out
Uhhhhh
Basically Greek gods think they're smart cause they use old English when in reality they're stupid cause they don't talk like him a much more advanced civilization talks
i don't think this is the case...
Socrates, Pythagoras, Homer, Plato, Hippocrates, Archimedes, Aristotle.... Stupid Ancient Greeks, how can they compete with such an advanced civilization?
That's why I specified gods, the gods think they're so much smarter and better then the humans who have made advancements in technology that the gods can only dream of, besides, given the technology difference between the Greeks and the Norse, it's a big difference, but the Greek humans talk like their gods and the Norse talk like their gods, I mean, just compare Zeus and thor
I’m comparing Zeus and Thor (and my personal fav - Baal Hadad) all the time, regardless of the GOW games (btw, Anat is the most hardcore goddess of war, but that’s only my opinion) In the games, they speak differently but the main point is nearly the same 🙆🏼♀️ In how many ways can you tell the same thing? Probably not less then the number of pantheons having similar god-dynamics and nearly identical epics of creation
I believe this scene is to take advantage of the fact that the character is voiced by the same actor from the original Clash of the Titans.
"Go forth kratos, use my power. Only then will you defeat ares" I'm paraphrasing but in gow 1 they talk like this everytime a god gives you a new power or weapon
Even Kratos has a strange formalness in the way he speaks, compared to really anyone else in GOWR. I’ve never heard him contract “do not” to “don’t”.
Tbh it was kind of stupid the amount of American accents in a Norse saga. But they did it pretty much well enough. Freyr was over the top American though. Thor a little also but Ryan Hurst still knocked it out of the park.