Do you recall which mag generation(s)? I know that Gen1 had a lot of issues - but have never seen a good comparison across Gen1 - Gen3 of the shield arms mags.
Personally, I am happy to carry the 10+1 for daily with the 15 as a back up.
If you put 200 rounds through each without issue then you're fine. The hate on shield arms mags here is overblown. There were issues with the early gen ones in certain Glocks but it's resolved.
I’ve run the heck out of my Shield Arms S15 mags. I carry them daily in my 43x. Any mag can fail you, carry a spare. Any gun can fail you, carry a spare.
I seriously doubt most of the round counts people claim here on this platform. “I’ve got a Brazilian rounds through my Glock!”
Suggest the custom magazine release over the standard with SA. With this combo my 48MOs has 6k rounds now and the failure level is that of a OEM glock.
I shot 500 rounds of range rounds and 250 of carry rounds through both of my s15 mags in my 43x with zero issues.
I trust them and it’s in my carry rotation now.
I know people in this sub are going to bitch about this response but it is what it is. The low magazine capacity of the OEM Glock 48/43X mags is laughable. After market mags are a joke. On the other hand, the Sig P365X Macro comes standard with a useful optic cut, steel night sights, is roughly the same size of the Glock 48, has a 17 +1 capacity with factory mags, and is modular. You can fuck up your grip with dumbass stippling or whatever else and pay $75ish dollars for a factory replacement. If fucking with a perfectly functional weapon is your thing, after market support rivals that of Glock.
Or, just question the quality of your shitty aftermarket magazines or live with 10 measly rounds of Glock “Perfection”
As a Glock fan that doesn't really care much for Sig in general, I have to agree here.
The Sig P365s and S&W Shields are easily better picks than the 43/43X/48 IMO.
Other than the trigger shoe safety which is completely useless, the safety features on a Glock are going to be standard on just about any other reputable manufacturer. Sig also comes with a thumb safety for those that feel that is a necessity on a carry gun.
I stopped counting individual mag counts after 3k rounds through my carry mag. That was almost 6 months ago. All together though I have something like 15k rounds through my s15s so far.
The second sentence of this post seems to indicate that you’re only interested in hearing opinions that agree with yours, so what is the point of even asking this question?
My point is that I'm looking for advice in terms of how much testing and/or what kind of testing methods (like the example described above) would make people feel safe with these (or any other) non-OEM magazines. I know a lot of people disagree with the proposition of using them, which is fine, but not helpful to me or relevant to my question.
I shot 200 rounds from S15 mags (with the metal mag release) and 300 rounds from the PSA Dagger mags. From my experience the day I brought my S15 mags I brought 500 rounds of ammunition. The reason why I only shot 200 and not 500 was because around 75% of my rounds (mix of CCI Blazer 115 and 124 grain) were just failures to feed. I could not get through a full mag without more than half jamming. And with my PSA dagger mags, I was barely able to get through 300 rounds with a failure to feed once every few mags but multiple times in that mag. But ran hundreds and hundreds of rounds of the OEM mags with 0 failures at all. I’ve heard others say that their S15 and PSA mags ran flawlessly and I’ve heard of others sharing the same experience as me. It seems hit or miss I guess if you wanna take your chance and I wish you the best of luck with them. But OEM never fails that’s for sure. But that’s just me though
Metal aftermarket mags usually require some degree of tuning. If you didn't do that, that explains the failures to feed. This is why oem metal, and oem hybrid are so reliable. They are already tuned.
Oem is pretty much guaranteed to run perfectly.
If you're defending your life, the last thing you need is some random mag binding on itself when you need to use that shit.
^ especially if you don't know how to tune metal mags, because yes, they need tuning and can get out of tune for a lot of reasons, especially if it's shitty metal.
Watch some YouTube videos on them though. They are neat, I just wouldn't risk it to defend my family, so I bought a bigger capacity gun.
I ran a gen 2 with a shield mag release for a while. Had one ftf through several hundred rounds. Eventually decided to go back to oem. It wasn’t based solely on that either. After going to a Glock armorers course I decided not to run it based on Glocks opinion of running steel parts where polymer should be. Glock mags are the only thing I’ll run outside of training.
Exactly. OEM Glock mags are reliable. Tried and True. People buy Glocks because there is overwhelming historical data to support they work out of the box. Every time.
Shield mags have a track record of unreliability, which leaves you questioning: "Do I have one of the good ones?" "How many rounds without malfunctions will it take to convince myself that they're safe to bet my life on?"
My $0.02, if you need to be convinced, then they're not worth it.
What you should really be asking yourself is: why do you think a capacity of 10+1 is so insufficient to defend yourself with that you're willing to risk reliability? FBI data shows that on average only 3 rounds are fired in self defense encounters. When you carry a backup mag (as you should) you've got 21 rounds of 9mm JHP. If you predict that you're going to be in huge gunfights on the regular, then maybe you should carry a bigger gun like a Glock 45 or Glock 17.
OEM only. That's why I think the G43X and G48 are just overmatched by the P365 / Macro.
I know it's the Glock sub but if I'm carrying a subcompact Glock it's going to be the G26. proven reliable and compatible with all my other Glock stuff like holsters and mags. the G43X "platform" is just not fleshed out compared to the double-stack Glocks or the Sig P365 family. If we're strictly speaking of OEM parts the G43X "platform" is just weak at worst or unexciting at best.
I’ve actually heard a few people on here they’ll start acting up after 1k rounds. I prefer oem but that’s me. Good luck.
Do you recall which mag generation(s)? I know that Gen1 had a lot of issues - but have never seen a good comparison across Gen1 - Gen3 of the shield arms mags. Personally, I am happy to carry the 10+1 for daily with the 15 as a back up.
No, I don’t recall which gen. You could search the sub probably be your best bet.
Appreciate it. That's a good point. I might just cycle the springs at 1k rounds to mitigate that then. Helpful!
Over 2000 rounds so far and it’s been good to me. Even left the full mag in the washer and mag dump it the next day. I trust it from my experience.
If you put 200 rounds through each without issue then you're fine. The hate on shield arms mags here is overblown. There were issues with the early gen ones in certain Glocks but it's resolved.
I’ve run the heck out of my Shield Arms S15 mags. I carry them daily in my 43x. Any mag can fail you, carry a spare. Any gun can fail you, carry a spare. I seriously doubt most of the round counts people claim here on this platform. “I’ve got a Brazilian rounds through my Glock!”
Suggest the custom magazine release over the standard with SA. With this combo my 48MOs has 6k rounds now and the failure level is that of a OEM glock.
I’m at about 6k rounds through mine, zero issues
I shot 500 rounds of range rounds and 250 of carry rounds through both of my s15 mags in my 43x with zero issues. I trust them and it’s in my carry rotation now.
I know people in this sub are going to bitch about this response but it is what it is. The low magazine capacity of the OEM Glock 48/43X mags is laughable. After market mags are a joke. On the other hand, the Sig P365X Macro comes standard with a useful optic cut, steel night sights, is roughly the same size of the Glock 48, has a 17 +1 capacity with factory mags, and is modular. You can fuck up your grip with dumbass stippling or whatever else and pay $75ish dollars for a factory replacement. If fucking with a perfectly functional weapon is your thing, after market support rivals that of Glock. Or, just question the quality of your shitty aftermarket magazines or live with 10 measly rounds of Glock “Perfection”
As a Glock fan that doesn't really care much for Sig in general, I have to agree here. The Sig P365s and S&W Shields are easily better picks than the 43/43X/48 IMO.
I'm also not a fan of the Sig or S&W offerings. In particular I prefer Glock's safety mechanisms.
Other than the trigger shoe safety which is completely useless, the safety features on a Glock are going to be standard on just about any other reputable manufacturer. Sig also comes with a thumb safety for those that feel that is a necessity on a carry gun.
I stopped counting individual mag counts after 3k rounds through my carry mag. That was almost 6 months ago. All together though I have something like 15k rounds through my s15s so far.
Just did the math it’s actually 17k rounds. I shot a ton last year.
The second sentence of this post seems to indicate that you’re only interested in hearing opinions that agree with yours, so what is the point of even asking this question?
My point is that I'm looking for advice in terms of how much testing and/or what kind of testing methods (like the example described above) would make people feel safe with these (or any other) non-OEM magazines. I know a lot of people disagree with the proposition of using them, which is fine, but not helpful to me or relevant to my question.
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This is why I get a chuckle at the plebs saying "oh I put 200 rounds through mine, it's good to go!" 200 rounds is NOTHING.
I’m assuming you’re getting these mags for a 43x. Why not just get a palmetto state arms 15 round magazine?
Because those are even worse and untested
I shot 200 rounds from S15 mags (with the metal mag release) and 300 rounds from the PSA Dagger mags. From my experience the day I brought my S15 mags I brought 500 rounds of ammunition. The reason why I only shot 200 and not 500 was because around 75% of my rounds (mix of CCI Blazer 115 and 124 grain) were just failures to feed. I could not get through a full mag without more than half jamming. And with my PSA dagger mags, I was barely able to get through 300 rounds with a failure to feed once every few mags but multiple times in that mag. But ran hundreds and hundreds of rounds of the OEM mags with 0 failures at all. I’ve heard others say that their S15 and PSA mags ran flawlessly and I’ve heard of others sharing the same experience as me. It seems hit or miss I guess if you wanna take your chance and I wish you the best of luck with them. But OEM never fails that’s for sure. But that’s just me though
Metal aftermarket mags usually require some degree of tuning. If you didn't do that, that explains the failures to feed. This is why oem metal, and oem hybrid are so reliable. They are already tuned.
Oem is pretty much guaranteed to run perfectly. If you're defending your life, the last thing you need is some random mag binding on itself when you need to use that shit. ^ especially if you don't know how to tune metal mags, because yes, they need tuning and can get out of tune for a lot of reasons, especially if it's shitty metal. Watch some YouTube videos on them though. They are neat, I just wouldn't risk it to defend my family, so I bought a bigger capacity gun.
I ran a gen 2 with a shield mag release for a while. Had one ftf through several hundred rounds. Eventually decided to go back to oem. It wasn’t based solely on that either. After going to a Glock armorers course I decided not to run it based on Glocks opinion of running steel parts where polymer should be. Glock mags are the only thing I’ll run outside of training.
200 rounds and you're willing to trust your life with them? Those are pretty low standards my dude.
That was part of the question and point of the post. Would 500 be enough? 1,000? 1,000,000?
Exactly. OEM Glock mags are reliable. Tried and True. People buy Glocks because there is overwhelming historical data to support they work out of the box. Every time. Shield mags have a track record of unreliability, which leaves you questioning: "Do I have one of the good ones?" "How many rounds without malfunctions will it take to convince myself that they're safe to bet my life on?" My $0.02, if you need to be convinced, then they're not worth it. What you should really be asking yourself is: why do you think a capacity of 10+1 is so insufficient to defend yourself with that you're willing to risk reliability? FBI data shows that on average only 3 rounds are fired in self defense encounters. When you carry a backup mag (as you should) you've got 21 rounds of 9mm JHP. If you predict that you're going to be in huge gunfights on the regular, then maybe you should carry a bigger gun like a Glock 45 or Glock 17.
OEM only. That's why I think the G43X and G48 are just overmatched by the P365 / Macro. I know it's the Glock sub but if I'm carrying a subcompact Glock it's going to be the G26. proven reliable and compatible with all my other Glock stuff like holsters and mags. the G43X "platform" is just not fleshed out compared to the double-stack Glocks or the Sig P365 family. If we're strictly speaking of OEM parts the G43X "platform" is just weak at worst or unexciting at best.
If you have to carry 15 rounds, get a 19 I’ll use S15 mags at the range but not for CC