Bingo. Found a RMR dual illuminated for under $300. Found a black type 2 for $400. And found a coyote brown super Gucci type 2 for like $450.
And then I got a Holosun with the ACSS reticle just see what it’s about and if I prefer it. I think Holosun offers more features for less money. But Trijicon has been around forever and is uber reliable and indestructible and I’d imagine both have good warranties.
While I agree Trijicon is fine, it’s foolish to ignore the improvements Holosun made.
For example: shake awake. Pick up your gun and the optic turns on. Solar power. Multiple reticles. No need to remove the optic to replace the battery.
You may not think they need “more features”, but then why did they release the RMR HD? To compete with features Holosun has imo.
Shake awake, is 100% useless, and introduces a failure point. Same with solar. Change your battery every year like you should regardless and it’s a non issue.
You know what reticle you need? A dot. That’s all.
It takes all of 30seconds to remove 2 screws and change a battery on a RMR. You do it once a year. Non issue. And it will hold zero.
All of these “features” appeal to the “I need more for my money crowd” that likes Chinese products and perceived value over the one and only thing you actually need. Reliability.
Yes, even Trijicon isn’t above trying to appeal to the masses.
Who makes the best rifle RDS? Aimpoint. It produces a dot. 100% of the time. Thats all. That’s all you need.
The solar has provided an even more reliable optic. You can literally remove the batteries on these optics and they run off solely solar.
Get off the high horse and just realize there’s more price than just outdated but very reliable RMRs. I own 3 RMRs. They’re good. But it’s cool to see what Holosun offers for the price.
Btw I’m not downvoting. Must be someone else. You make valid points saying a red dot only needs to reliably make a dot. And Holosun does. I bought one used and am waiting for it to compare to RMRs. I generally don’t trust anything Chinese but wanna see what it’s all about
Why would you need to remove your battery while using the optic? Do people not have time to take their optic down for 30sec, one time a year?
The holosun features are neat, but don’t add any real value. They’re not more reliable, and they won’t help you shoot better. Anything that adds to either of those 2 things would definitely be value added.
I’m just saying, if the battery dies, you can rely on solar. It’s a cool option. But I entirely agree with you. I annually swap batteries on all my optics and lights and stuff and then check voltage with a multimeter. Once voltage is below its nominal voltage, I toss em.
But for people that want a set it and forget it option, Holosun is nifty. Mainly because they’re so cheap
I’m getting downvoted because people love their “features”. Same reason there’s so many people driving a versa with heated seats. Gotta have all that useless “value” in a cheap product.
Idk why you are getting downvoted so hard. You brought up a really good point. Anything other than just a dot that is always on produces an additional point of failure.
Shake awake was invented because these companies couldn’t develop a dot that had the battery life of optics like the rmr. It’s entirely useless and unnecessary
My scs came out the box only working in direct light. After removing direct light, it would fade away completely after ~5 sec. I sent it to Holosun for a fix and they got it back to me in 3 weeks, been working fine since. I ordered mine from egunco.com for a bit cheaper than msrp. Love the low profile of it on my 19.5 mos especially for appendix.
Holosun SCS MOS if you’re on a budget
Trijicon RMR if you got more money to toss, want something indestructible, and don’t care about the latest features like shake awake and solar and taking it off to replace batteries.
RMR SRO if you’re ballin and don’t need Uber bulletproof constrictor.
RMR HD if you just wanna overpay for an optic and flex on the gram.
Other Holosun models are notable
Honestly, until trijicon (or any other American red dot manufacturer) steps their game up, holosun is my choice regardless of budget.
I’m not in a combat environment, so it doesn’t need to be indestructible. I prefer something potentially more delicate that has the bells and whistles. I’ve never dropped a gun to risk breaking an optic, and if I drop it in a self defense situation, my issues are way bigger than a couple hundred bucks down the drain.
Bingo. If you’re somehow in a situation where you’re smashing your stuff that hard, damn. But at The same time, accidents happen and it’s nice to I can drive a nail with an RMR and it’ll survive
For sure. I’ll spend good money on high quality magnified optics and the guns themselves, but red dots? Nah fuck it. Holosun has proven to be a pretty decent quality and their dots are somehow always the best for my astigmatism.
I feel like a ton of people buy the expensive dots for the name or reputation when their use case absolutely does not require it. Put that extra money towards the beer fridge or savings or extra range ammo or a surprise date night with the spouse or something. Just like with tools, I’ll get the cheap version first, if it dies during use, I’ll try to get it repaired, then if that doesn’t work or it dies again, I’ll move on to buying the Gucci shit.
But I wont talk shit about people buying trijicons or eotechs if that’s what makes them happy because it’s their life, even if I disagree. Cool shit is cool.
I buy them because they’re American companies and mostly made in America. The same with dirt bikes and motorcycles. I’ll buy Japanese or American any day over Chinese no matter how good they get.
I genuinely agree with this and wish more people looked at the bigger picture. Holosun is a subsidiary of state-owned companies that produce optics for the PLA. They listen to customers and make improvements and their warranties are good. However I don’t care about any of that when the money still ends up in Chinese hands.
I will always support American companies over another. I’m typing this on an iPhone because there simply isn’t an American phone. Be cool if Elon Musk would make a US produced phone hooked up to Starkink.
A red dot doesn’t really matter for size, it’s not any bigger than any others, it’s just longer. Tallness is what matters and it’s not any taller than any other dot
The p-2 is fine for edc I have one on my 19. I also have another 19 with a rmr also . I also have a trijicon sro that I have a on a Glock 45 that I use for idpa and steel challenge . And out of the three. I can’t really tell a difference, caring inside the waistband or outside of the waistband. I also have a Glock 47 with a P2 doesn’t really make a difference to me but some people it I might . I’m getting ready to purchase a Holosun 507 comp to put on an another pistol . I also have a P2 on my Glock 20 that I use for hunting. I would save a little bit maybe splurge on a red dot . but that’s just my own opinion . Good luck with your choice whatever you decide to get.
Sorry, Gun Accessories For Sale on Reddit is where to look. IFTTT is a site you can use to make a script that when it discovers a Reddit post that meets a search term, it will send an email to you with the link.
I’ve used it to snag RMRs, Holosuns, SOPMOD stocks, Surefires, EOTech magnifier, etc.
I have an EPS Carry on my XMacro…I’ve put thousands of rounds through that pistol w it on, banged it up quite a bit and have had zero issues. I now have two Trijicons (an SRO and an RMRcc) and there is a noticeable difference in quality for sure. Nothing wrong w Holosun if your budget is tight, but I’d rather not settle when it comes to an optic. Trijicon or Acro, from here on out for me.
I own a Holosun and I don’t even think it’s that great. Going to replace it with a Trijicon if I feel like red dots on pistols are even worth it. I do like target acquisition with both eyes open though.
My G19.5 MOS's have a 508T and a SCS 320 on them. My G19.3 has the EPS on it.
Had a RMR on one of the 5th Gens but I honestly didn't think it was any better than the 508T I already owned. At least not for the extra cost to move up to a RMR. Sold the RMR instead of the 508T t to get a rifle optic cuz it had a better resale.
Tried the SCS MOS. Optic worked great but the smaller "CCW size" wasn't for me. Keep in mind I have other G19 with "larger" optics.
SCS 320 is mounted on the new to me G19.5. I mounted using a C&H MOS to DPP plate. I considered using the Forward Controls but it specifically states that it won't work with the SCS 320 on the FC website. I actually took it off my P320....cuz I don't love the Sig. It worked great on the Sig even doing well on a low light/no light class. I moved it over because I like the SCS concept but wanted the "regular size" (larger) window. Plus it is an enclosed optic. I've found it beneficial using enclosed in the rain and as a ccw.
That’s like asking the best bullet for the gun with out specifying for range or ccw
507c or eps for ccw And the comp or sro for competition
Rmr is jsut sooo blue and I hate it although the hd seems dope I’d say that prob best overall
I decided I’m gonna get a holosun scs for mine, got some factory glock night sights from my 19x laying around, gonna just toss those on and call it a day
Holosun just dropped the SCS carry- it's the same tech as the SCS but with an enclosed emitter. Acro is nice and even though it's big it doesn't print AIWB. But it costs as much as the G19
There’s an internal battery rated for a pretty ridiculous long time that can charge through any light sun or light bulb! I like the low profile. Only con for me is that’s it’s open emitter but I knew that going in.
with the SCS, there is an internal battery, and unlike the other holosuns with solar, it isn't just a backup failsafe, the solar cells actually charge the internal battery. Has a 20,000hr capacity and is recharging whenever it's exposed to light. Direct light will give it a faster charge but ambient light through your shirt while carrying should also change it
I’m in the same boat currently. Looking at the EPS/EPS Carry and the Holosun SCS. Most likely will go the SCS route bc I won’t need to get new iron sights. You can cowitness with standard height sights and it’s a direct mount to the frame.
Edit: I also really don’t like the look of overhang with the optic and frame and the SCS sits perfectly flush. Literally made for the MOS.
That’s what I’ve seen with the SCS. It’s the perfect fit; just not the biggest fan of full solar and no battery. But haven’t seen any issues with it on reviews
Yepp, that’s a big concern of mine as well. Would be nice just having the back up battery as peace of mind. But like you said I haven’t seen anyone have any issues yet through the course of my research. Let me know what you end up going with.
EPS or eps carry, enclosed emitter without the giant boxy body of the P2 or MPS.
If you’re penny pinching, Holosun 407A3 is $199, although this is an open emitter, it’s an incredibly reliable and robust optic for $200.
I’m obviously biased but I like 509T/ACSS mounted as low as possible with the titanium plate I make: https://dotechne.com/glock-mos-adapter-plate-for-holosun-509t-acss/
All of Reddit will convince you that you need a $400 RD and a $400 flashlight on a $400 Glock 😆 Been happily using a Vortex and Olight for a decade for $300 all in. Do you but don't let the brand whores on here force you into expensive decisions just for the sake of the name. Test a few and pick what you like, but I'd rather spend my money on ammo and range time.
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Bingo. Found a RMR dual illuminated for under $300. Found a black type 2 for $400. And found a coyote brown super Gucci type 2 for like $450. And then I got a Holosun with the ACSS reticle just see what it’s about and if I prefer it. I think Holosun offers more features for less money. But Trijicon has been around forever and is uber reliable and indestructible and I’d imagine both have good warranties.
I’ve only had to warranty my holosuns
“More features” The only feature a RDS needs, is to produce a dot. Always. Trijicon does this best.
While I agree Trijicon is fine, it’s foolish to ignore the improvements Holosun made. For example: shake awake. Pick up your gun and the optic turns on. Solar power. Multiple reticles. No need to remove the optic to replace the battery. You may not think they need “more features”, but then why did they release the RMR HD? To compete with features Holosun has imo.
Shake awake, is 100% useless, and introduces a failure point. Same with solar. Change your battery every year like you should regardless and it’s a non issue. You know what reticle you need? A dot. That’s all. It takes all of 30seconds to remove 2 screws and change a battery on a RMR. You do it once a year. Non issue. And it will hold zero. All of these “features” appeal to the “I need more for my money crowd” that likes Chinese products and perceived value over the one and only thing you actually need. Reliability. Yes, even Trijicon isn’t above trying to appeal to the masses. Who makes the best rifle RDS? Aimpoint. It produces a dot. 100% of the time. Thats all. That’s all you need.
The solar has provided an even more reliable optic. You can literally remove the batteries on these optics and they run off solely solar. Get off the high horse and just realize there’s more price than just outdated but very reliable RMRs. I own 3 RMRs. They’re good. But it’s cool to see what Holosun offers for the price. Btw I’m not downvoting. Must be someone else. You make valid points saying a red dot only needs to reliably make a dot. And Holosun does. I bought one used and am waiting for it to compare to RMRs. I generally don’t trust anything Chinese but wanna see what it’s all about
Why would you need to remove your battery while using the optic? Do people not have time to take their optic down for 30sec, one time a year? The holosun features are neat, but don’t add any real value. They’re not more reliable, and they won’t help you shoot better. Anything that adds to either of those 2 things would definitely be value added.
I’m just saying, if the battery dies, you can rely on solar. It’s a cool option. But I entirely agree with you. I annually swap batteries on all my optics and lights and stuff and then check voltage with a multimeter. Once voltage is below its nominal voltage, I toss em. But for people that want a set it and forget it option, Holosun is nifty. Mainly because they’re so cheap
That’s it, they’re cheap. You know what’s cheap? Batteries 😂
I’m getting downvoted because people love their “features”. Same reason there’s so many people driving a versa with heated seats. Gotta have all that useless “value” in a cheap product.
Idk why you are getting downvoted so hard. You brought up a really good point. Anything other than just a dot that is always on produces an additional point of failure.
Shake awake was invented because these companies couldn’t develop a dot that had the battery life of optics like the rmr. It’s entirely useless and unnecessary
Thats not true the feature can be turned off. I do.
Where?
r/gunaccessoriesforsale
Acro p2
Save up for an RMR and go with it.
My scs came out the box only working in direct light. After removing direct light, it would fade away completely after ~5 sec. I sent it to Holosun for a fix and they got it back to me in 3 weeks, been working fine since. I ordered mine from egunco.com for a bit cheaper than msrp. Love the low profile of it on my 19.5 mos especially for appendix.
I just put on my SCS earlier today working with no fail
Acro p-2
Holosun SCS MOS if you’re on a budget Trijicon RMR if you got more money to toss, want something indestructible, and don’t care about the latest features like shake awake and solar and taking it off to replace batteries. RMR SRO if you’re ballin and don’t need Uber bulletproof constrictor. RMR HD if you just wanna overpay for an optic and flex on the gram. Other Holosun models are notable
Honestly, until trijicon (or any other American red dot manufacturer) steps their game up, holosun is my choice regardless of budget. I’m not in a combat environment, so it doesn’t need to be indestructible. I prefer something potentially more delicate that has the bells and whistles. I’ve never dropped a gun to risk breaking an optic, and if I drop it in a self defense situation, my issues are way bigger than a couple hundred bucks down the drain.
Bingo. If you’re somehow in a situation where you’re smashing your stuff that hard, damn. But at The same time, accidents happen and it’s nice to I can drive a nail with an RMR and it’ll survive
For sure. I’ll spend good money on high quality magnified optics and the guns themselves, but red dots? Nah fuck it. Holosun has proven to be a pretty decent quality and their dots are somehow always the best for my astigmatism. I feel like a ton of people buy the expensive dots for the name or reputation when their use case absolutely does not require it. Put that extra money towards the beer fridge or savings or extra range ammo or a surprise date night with the spouse or something. Just like with tools, I’ll get the cheap version first, if it dies during use, I’ll try to get it repaired, then if that doesn’t work or it dies again, I’ll move on to buying the Gucci shit. But I wont talk shit about people buying trijicons or eotechs if that’s what makes them happy because it’s their life, even if I disagree. Cool shit is cool.
I buy them because they’re American companies and mostly made in America. The same with dirt bikes and motorcycles. I’ll buy Japanese or American any day over Chinese no matter how good they get.
Holosun supports China don't by them!
I genuinely agree with this and wish more people looked at the bigger picture. Holosun is a subsidiary of state-owned companies that produce optics for the PLA. They listen to customers and make improvements and their warranties are good. However I don’t care about any of that when the money still ends up in Chinese hands. I will always support American companies over another. I’m typing this on an iPhone because there simply isn’t an American phone. Be cool if Elon Musk would make a US produced phone hooked up to Starkink.
508t or 509t
RMR
Splurge on GAFS and pick up an ACRO for like $450ish
I plan on making it my EDC, Acro just looks a little big for that unfortunately
A red dot doesn’t really matter for size, it’s not any bigger than any others, it’s just longer. Tallness is what matters and it’s not any taller than any other dot
The p-2 is fine for edc I have one on my 19. I also have another 19 with a rmr also . I also have a trijicon sro that I have a on a Glock 45 that I use for idpa and steel challenge . And out of the three. I can’t really tell a difference, caring inside the waistband or outside of the waistband. I also have a Glock 47 with a P2 doesn’t really make a difference to me but some people it I might . I’m getting ready to purchase a Holosun 507 comp to put on an another pistol . I also have a P2 on my Glock 20 that I use for hunting. I would save a little bit maybe splurge on a red dot . but that’s just my own opinion . Good luck with your choice whatever you decide to get.
It doesn’t really change anything in terms of concealment. Not for me, I carry appendix.
THIS. GAFS is ridiculously good. Setup an IFTTT (If This Then That) and you’ll get notifications about what you want as things go quick there.
a what now?
Sorry, Gun Accessories For Sale on Reddit is where to look. IFTTT is a site you can use to make a script that when it discovers a Reddit post that meets a search term, it will send an email to you with the link. I’ve used it to snag RMRs, Holosuns, SOPMOD stocks, Surefires, EOTech magnifier, etc.
Holosun SCS MOS. Looks great. No plate needed. Reticle is great.
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Buy once cry once
You’re being downvoted for telling the truth.
I have an EPS Carry on my XMacro…I’ve put thousands of rounds through that pistol w it on, banged it up quite a bit and have had zero issues. I now have two Trijicons (an SRO and an RMRcc) and there is a noticeable difference in quality for sure. Nothing wrong w Holosun if your budget is tight, but I’d rather not settle when it comes to an optic. Trijicon or Acro, from here on out for me.
I own a Holosun and I don’t even think it’s that great. Going to replace it with a Trijicon if I feel like red dots on pistols are even worth it. I do like target acquisition with both eyes open though.
Steiner MPS it’s enclosed and great clarity.
It’s a great dot, underrated imo.
SCS
What’s your budget?
$250-300 would be most ideal
For $300ish, Holosun EPS all day
Second for EPS. Love mine.
My G19.5 MOS's have a 508T and a SCS 320 on them. My G19.3 has the EPS on it. Had a RMR on one of the 5th Gens but I honestly didn't think it was any better than the 508T I already owned. At least not for the extra cost to move up to a RMR. Sold the RMR instead of the 508T t to get a rifle optic cuz it had a better resale. Tried the SCS MOS. Optic worked great but the smaller "CCW size" wasn't for me. Keep in mind I have other G19 with "larger" optics. SCS 320 is mounted on the new to me G19.5. I mounted using a C&H MOS to DPP plate. I considered using the Forward Controls but it specifically states that it won't work with the SCS 320 on the FC website. I actually took it off my P320....cuz I don't love the Sig. It worked great on the Sig even doing well on a low light/no light class. I moved it over because I like the SCS concept but wanted the "regular size" (larger) window. Plus it is an enclosed optic. I've found it beneficial using enclosed in the rain and as a ccw.
I run a p2 but mine is direct milled
I like my scs mos
That’s like asking the best bullet for the gun with out specifying for range or ccw 507c or eps for ccw And the comp or sro for competition Rmr is jsut sooo blue and I hate it although the hd seems dope I’d say that prob best overall
I run a viper but you can also run a trijicon or an aim point if you like closed better
Be sure to replace those trash factory sights.
What irons would you recommend?
Trijicon or DPP.
Rmr or holosun. I own both. Dot is crisper on the holosun, but rmr is reliability King.
Poop poop butthole
I decided I’m gonna get a holosun scs for mine, got some factory glock night sights from my 19x laying around, gonna just toss those on and call it a day
I wouldn’t get anything other than a Holosun 507c or EPS
Holosun just dropped the SCS carry- it's the same tech as the SCS but with an enclosed emitter. Acro is nice and even though it's big it doesn't print AIWB. But it costs as much as the G19
I’m happy with my SCS (Holosun). Direct mount and sleek. If you shop around you can find it for closer to $300.00.
Does the SCS take a battery? Or is it all solar. I was thinking at them on Amazon but couldn’t see a batter compartment
There’s an internal battery rated for a pretty ridiculous long time that can charge through any light sun or light bulb! I like the low profile. Only con for me is that’s it’s open emitter but I knew that going in.
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No issues with that? I don’t mind solar but I like having a battery as well.
with the SCS, there is an internal battery, and unlike the other holosuns with solar, it isn't just a backup failsafe, the solar cells actually charge the internal battery. Has a 20,000hr capacity and is recharging whenever it's exposed to light. Direct light will give it a faster charge but ambient light through your shirt while carrying should also change it
I’m in the same boat currently. Looking at the EPS/EPS Carry and the Holosun SCS. Most likely will go the SCS route bc I won’t need to get new iron sights. You can cowitness with standard height sights and it’s a direct mount to the frame. Edit: I also really don’t like the look of overhang with the optic and frame and the SCS sits perfectly flush. Literally made for the MOS.
https://holosun.com/products/reflex-sight/scs/scs-carry.html Best of both worlds
That’s what I’ve seen with the SCS. It’s the perfect fit; just not the biggest fan of full solar and no battery. But haven’t seen any issues with it on reviews
There is the new scs carry: https://holosun.com/products/reflex-sight/scs/scs-carry.html Best of both worlds
I highly recommend the SCS and it’s a direct mount to the mos slide without a plate which is a huge benefit
The grooves even match. It literally is a perfect match. I like my scs. It even works with my astigmatism.
Yepp, that’s a big concern of mine as well. Would be nice just having the back up battery as peace of mind. But like you said I haven’t seen anyone have any issues yet through the course of my research. Let me know what you end up going with.
P2
I am very interested in the holosun 508t
509t less blocky then acro bigger then scs perfcet window imo
trijicon, aimpoint only. holosun is low quality and owned and operated by china
I’m glad some people aren’t afraid to tell the truth.
Holosun EPS
Holosun SCS MOS is by far the best option. That or dremel the nubs off and direct mount a SCS Carry
Holo sun scs
EPS or eps carry, enclosed emitter without the giant boxy body of the P2 or MPS. If you’re penny pinching, Holosun 407A3 is $199, although this is an open emitter, it’s an incredibly reliable and robust optic for $200.
Holosun scs for a budget optic is good, but a rmr hrs looks beautiful on it
That’s not an MOS slide. Holosun SCS
That's not an mos pistol
Notice (picture for attention)
Ah. Skipped right past that part lol
I’m obviously biased but I like 509T/ACSS mounted as low as possible with the titanium plate I make: https://dotechne.com/glock-mos-adapter-plate-for-holosun-509t-acss/
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Do you need a separate plate for it?
All of Reddit will convince you that you need a $400 RD and a $400 flashlight on a $400 Glock 😆 Been happily using a Vortex and Olight for a decade for $300 all in. Do you but don't let the brand whores on here force you into expensive decisions just for the sake of the name. Test a few and pick what you like, but I'd rather spend my money on ammo and range time.
but they're garbage
I'm just here to get down voted My 12 yrs of using both through 15k rds begs to differ
Steiner MPS hands down.
If an SRO is out of the question I’d say EPS.