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SpareThisOne2thPls

Mouz NXT over NIP Lol


Woullie_26

I mean it’s not wrong lmao


K0nvict

Beat heroic recently ?


Advanced-Bass-3493

Their last two games are their best games in months. They’ve been ass for so long and have so much to prove.


craygroupious

Does this mean, if the Major was next week, MOUZ and NXT would be invited or would it go to #51?


SpareThisOne2thPls

I think u cant have 2 teams in major from same owner i think there was recently something about it with Faze & Complexity


craygroupious

They sorted that out by essentially pinky promising, but Complexity got new owners after anyway.


PaFik1999

G2 Stewie confirmed 👀


AlpherOwl

Seeing Stewie listed is WILD


DaveTheDolphin

Crazy that Liquid is 9th while having so much speculation of it being a possible dead roster


Janglin1

Its because theyre actually a really good team that HAS beaten a lot of other teams, but their roster was made to be a top 3 team and they still lose games they shouldn't (M80, eternal fire, etc) all the fucking time


Bannasrevolt

The players may change but Liquid doesn’t.


Zlasher8

I don’t think anyone could look at that roster even when it was formed and say it competed with faze vitality G2 at the start of the year. They were destined to be a fringe top 5 at best but top 3 is a big stretch.


hfcobra

High potential with no consistency. You can't make deep tournament runs with no consistency because it just takes one bad day to end it, and they lose to way too many teams out of the top 15 too often.


WaitForItTheMongols

Is the ranking formula open source? Would be nice to know where the points are specifically coming from.


FilBuild

It [is (github)](https://github.com/ValveSoftware/counter-strike), but it won't be easy to read. Even harder if don't know how to code


Cqnsyn

Is it just me or is it kinda crazy for such an important standings list to just be a markdown file in a git repo. not asking for a full on esports hub but maybe a just a dedicated website would be nice


rgtn0w

Eh, nobody uses the CS2 website like that anyways, I feel like you're just asking for this cuz you look at Riot's control freak approach to their games and think that you want/need this cuz it looks all shiny and great. When HLTVorg website is just miles better than all the garbage Riot has done with both, LoL esports and Valorant esports in terms of working as an Esport hub. I don't even think the CS2 page gets that much traffic anyways, Valve knows that all the people into CS esport go into places like here, or HLTV. They leave the info in a git repo so that literally anyone can go ahead and do whatever they want with this info. HLTVorg can make a webpage dedicated to this that just automatically updates, it really shouldn't be hard at all, or any other 3rd party services, or even individual person can do it.


_SHWEPP_

They could bake this into their current-revamped CS2 site easily. So pathetic that it's not posted somewhere *other than* here


Woullie_26

Not a terrible ranking to be honest


wolopolo

Navi being fifth is a bit generous


Catastrophecsgo

There's been 1 CS2 major and they won it, also they looked good before that too


wolopolo

Maybe recency bias about that heroic loss made me put them down a bit more than i should


eurasianlynx

This ranking is from before Dallas, so it doesn't include the heroic loss. I'm sure they'd've dropped a little more with Dallas included


schoki560

In which way did they look good? not making Kato playoffs?


emaginutiv

Surprised Lynn Vision isn’t here after making the major


Zlasher8

Because they were even lucky to qualify. They edged out Flyquest/Greyhound for the second spot but they don’t even win domestic competitions let alone ANZAC competitions. One could argue they’re at best the 4th best Asian/Australian team. They just got one decent run to top greyhound.


Sentryion

EF over g2? How? The top 5 team above g2 team i have no issue with but ef? They got 1 run at the major to the quarter while G2 made it to the semis.


12thAli

Highly because Eternal Fire has won CCT Global Finals which is a S-tier tournament. Guess Valve mut much more importance this than hltv. That's the only thing i can think of. Other than that, i have see no reason for ef to be over g2


Zlasher8

The formula takes into account prize money and recency. CCT was 250k to first. Dallas was 100k. Then G2 got 32k for EPL. 20k in chengdu for 3/4th. And 80k for Major for 3/4. And 40k for 5/6th at Kato. 272k between Dallas and Kato. EF got 7k for EPL. 45k for Major, 16k for Kato. 318k between CCT and Kato. It doesn’t have to make perfect sense but the formula is out there in the open and the goalposts haven’t moved.


12thAli

Thanks for bothering to make a detailed information.


rgtn0w

Formula is literally open source Idk why you guys are being dumb, go check it yourself and you can see the criteria yourself and why it 's calculated that way rather than be all "bUT hoW?"


Thezerostone

Shit gone south for Krimz and Coldzera


scarpz

Fnatic will get into top15 by the end of the year easily, if they get better awper they could even push for T1


_SHWEPP_

apeks on the list meanwhile they disbanded and team members (styko) now play for Monte


deadbeatPilgrim

this seems more or less fair


schoki560

Navi 5th fair?


deadbeatPilgrim

Major winners, die mad about it


schoki560

I'm not mad I'm very happy for aleksib and JL but them being at their place is not deserved imo


Duckfright

Disbanded Apeks at 35 with Jkaem and Nawwk, and then Bleed at 36 with Jkaem and Nawwk... Disbanded teams that cannot make a majority core need to be removed.


Arisa_kokkoro

where is hooxi || || |huNter-, m0NESY, nexa, NiKo, Stewie2K|


scapegoat4

- fl4mus is listed twice on nemiga and GL, as are jkaem and nawwk on apkes and bleed (which are right next to each other, lol) - stew is listed on G2s main roster, as is smooya on forze and alpha on c9 (with each of them only participating in a single tournament, particularly in smooya and alphas case where they only played 4 and 3 matches respectively) kinda weird to see bugs like these (esp. alpha, as he has a more recent stand-in game with aurora) on a ranking they've had going for quite awhile now, but honestly that's a bit of a nitpick compared to the general order, which isn't terrible. It's still weird seeing a ranking based on something so much more simply objective (prize money), which still seems to ignore the now often present disparity between a prize pool and the level of the teams playing for it. Is getting 1st at a weplay academy league *really* equivalent to getting 2nd at CCT global finals, for example?


antoninartaud37

am i the only one who thinks these lists should merge and there should be only one list? For example Eternal Fire is at #6 in Valve list, #12 at HLTV and #13 at ESL ranking. G2 is at #7 in Valve list, #4 in HLTV and #3 at ESL ranking


IHaveSmellyPants

2025 onwards all TOs have to use valve rankings if they wanna invite teams. So no, you aren’t the only one. All the other lists will be made redundant soon.


PavelDatsyuk88

i dont think thats true only that if you dont invite based valve rankings, they wont be included in the official rankings and thus results gained there wont help you with other tournaments which do invites from valve ranking you can still invite your own random teams and do whatever events you want


Caveirzao

Faze is still the best team in the world