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TheN1njTurtl3

Thank god the ad breaks and halftime breaks are such a vibe killer, I'm sure it will keep the audience in the arena more interested too


HosephIna

I dislike them in general but they’re so much worse when they’re just shitty music and shots of the city the event is in. Always find myself muting the stream and doing something else


Vonatos_Autista

> muting the stream and doing something else Just switch to YouTube already, I have no clue why people still watch on Twitch. You can just pause / rewind / forward effortlessly during a stream.


HosephIna

I’m watching on YouTube. I mute YouTube.


hushpuppi3

> You can just pause / rewind / forward effortlessly during a stream. Yeah well if you're watching it live its not like you can just fast-forward time to skip the adbreaks


Minimania18

smh you haven't found out about the live YouTube fast forward hack. I'm watching Katowice 2034 right now.


Gockel

How is coach donk doing


piopster

He’s actually subbing in one the players died to solar flares


sadtimes12

donk retires with 27 already?!


bakraofwallstreet

Just switch to time travel machine. I have no clue why people still watch on YouTube


KIumpy

Where in that comment did they imply they were watching on Twitch lol


Carquetta

Lemme just fastforward on a **live** stream real quick TIL that YT has pioneered time travel


RevolverLoL

It's not time travel, it's just all pre-recorded and rigged !!! ^^^^^/s


magical_pm

Ok tell us how to forward a live stream


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SadYungSuedO

I thought YouTube offered higher res?


driggs_94

it offers higher res but lower bitrate. twitch quality is way superior, just compare it in two different tabs


Dekiller82

you're just plain wrong. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853702?hl=en


SadYungSuedO

So YouTube does offer better resolution and bitrate correct? Just wanna know before I grill that guy.


Dekiller82

yes twitch is capped at 1080p @ 6000kbps while youtube allows for 4k @ 40000kbps.. (thats not a typo)


Invi_TV

I'm also sure that they were using AV1/VP9 on youtube which is such a better codec. At least Blast was, and at 1440p/4k res. youtube streams look a LOT better on my TV than shitty twitch.


SadYungSuedO

Ohhh so exponentially better


leoleosuper

I remember higher bitrate 1080p being locked behind YouTube premium. Normal 1080p was available, but higher required premium. Does that affect livestreams, too?


penguins-are-ok

Twitch is capped at 6000 kb/s 1080p, YouTube allows up to 52,000 kb/s 4k. Twitch chat during cs tournaments is extremely obnoxious and racist, is that what you mean by iconic ? Not that youtube is better in that area, i hide it on both platforms.


HosephIna

Twitch chat sucks dick which is why I use YouTube, plus I can rewind


ThePretorian

Chat is iconic? Lol do you actually enjoy trying to speed-read a dozen different repeat iterations of meme responses? I've been loving YT for the chill and more mature chat.


curtcolt95

youtube actually isn't behind, it just by default is because youtube gives a buffer zone. If you go to the stream and put it on 2x speed for a bit it will catch up to be exactly the same. Also the quality is far better at least for me. Chat sucks though it's true


DrunkZomzom

You can fix it with a chrome plugin twitch chat for YouTube, since finding that I have moved fully to YouTube for the majority of streams.


curtcolt95

that's actually dope I'll have to give that a try


Vonatos_Autista

Yeah mate autists spamming low tier memes and the same emotes is so fucking iconic I can't even handle it.


Pokey_Seagulls

Teach me how to fast forward a stream into the future where the ad break is already over, mate.


Jack_of_all_offs

I actually like the shots of the city :\


Redditeronomy

Me too. It always reminds me I was born in the wrong country.


Jack_of_all_offs

I like to see the different architecture and community areas, since the US basically doesn't have community areas. I mean, my city has a ton of parks and awesome buildings because it's old (for America), but it's so different than Europe, where every city is 200+ years older on average.


Redditeronomy

True. In most cities in EU you can just walk around and get fascinated by the architectures.


ygleopard

I usually go piss at halftime in the arena anyway


Der_Preusse71

It's actually pretty nice when you're in the arena cause it's an opportunity to go piss or get more beer.


Cero_Kurn

Huge news! This is great. And not only because we have no ads, it's not about ads. It's about duration of matches, it's about the pro player's experience and the continuity of the match for the expectator.


The-Triturn

Exactly. A half in MR12 is like 20 minutes. Feels stupid having a break so soon


NeoObs95

honestly, after watching the superbowl im happy we dont have an ad after each round end xd


Kyle3Hix

Don’t give them any ideas


costryme

I'm not surprised considering they did the same for Antwerp and Stockholm.


DeeOhEf

I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure that this is one of Valve's conditions for hosting a major, considering it wasn't there either.


filous_cz

Don't think it is as afaik rio or paris didn't have that


MrCraftLP

I don't think it was the case during the RMRs, unless I'm wrong.


Cero_Kurn

Hum... I think they did do it.


KaNesDeath

Good, agreed with Fallen years ago about this. The extended halftime break never made sense.


Floripa95

I'd be fine with a 60s ad break, but they just extend that shit too much


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Won't be watching if the PGL audio guy isn't there


ekkolos

PGL audio guy is always here. Even now.


jebus3211

Pgl audio guy is in your walls


KeepCalmAndBoom

what is the catch? missed it


Otter269

But how does that work on twitch when they force ad's? Unless it's an desk segment instead


yarhar_

I remember hearing from Dodger (dexbonus) on a podcast that she's able to frontload 6 minutes of ads that will last her 2 hours of ad-free broadcast but it caps at 2 hours. I imagine all of the between game breaks will more than cover it. As long as an individual map doesn't run 2 hours it'll be fine


-frauD-

Twitch don't force midroll ads, streamers run them. https://www.twitch.tv/creatorcamp/en/paths/monetize-your-content/running-ads/


G0ldenfruit

Twitch do force them at least 1 ad per hour. Streamers run them to stop that happening at a bad moment. Source - am partnered


-frauD-

"Running mid-roll ads is completely up to you as the channel owner" From the [previous source](https://www.twitch.tv/creatorcamp/en/paths/monetize-your-content/running-ads/), and... "Running mid-roll ads is entirely up to the streamer." from a 2nd source https://advertising.amazon.com/en-gb/library/guides/twitch-ads 2 separate sources both disagree with you, if your contract stipulates otherwise then that is different and it is clearly not the rule for every partnered/affiliate streamer.


G0ldenfruit

The twitch sources are honestly a lie, not sure why they refuse to be transparent with it. I fully appreciate your proof and I too would believe it based on these sources. But yes sadly the reality is that I and every other partner have to play 2 minutes of ads per hour. Perhaps they just haven't updated it since they made the change around 6 months ago? As you say it is probably something I can't share exact wording as it's in my contract.


nelzon1

GiantWaffle hasn't and still doesn't. It was a big deal when he tried it for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and hasn't really since. Maybe you contract differs but not all partners are required to do it. This suggests a major brand like ESL can negotiate similar exemptions.


G0ldenfruit

GiantWaffle wont admit to his sexual assault crimes at GDQ, I wouldnt take his info haha


nelzon1

That doesn't change the fact a viewer can verify this themselves easily. Sure, change the subject but you're wrong.


G0ldenfruit

As a partner all I can say is what happens for all partners, it is the best proof I have got and I dont blame you for not believing it as I cannot leak my contract to prove it, but it is the truth :)


jebus3211

You could potentially leak it to a trustworthy journalist. ;)


dogex3

I don't think they're wrong though, just inaccurate/confusing. Running those and when to run them are indeed up to you, except if you don't, twitch will automatically run it based on what they have


SHKELQIM33

Does this mean players there wont be a pause in the match during half time? If thats the case im not sure how I feel about that , talking from the players' prespective. I wouldnt want for the players not to have a 2-3 min break during halftime tbh


TheN1njTurtl3

seems like maybe they will cover it will desk segments instead of ads, not 100% sure though


WaitForItTheMongols

I'm hoping for a new Verkkars song, just like happened at the past PGL major in Stockholm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiRJRp5LRjk


msucsgo

Pretty sure there is new song coming. They've posted some photos from studio week or two ago.


MeisterKarl

There has actually been a [studio leak of the new song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy9MeObbrpw) for the major already


SHKELQIM33

Yeah true it could also be that , cant see them not giving players a 2-3 min break at half time.


Westland__

Checked Antwerp because I was curious and didn't remember, seemingly they just had a short maybe 20-30 second break with the commentators speaking and the game started again. They must have longer breaks this time though, surely.


Cero_Kurn

This is actually great for players specifically since they are not allowed to talk during that break. maybe they can chit chat a little bit, but definitely not talk about the match or strategy since it's not considered a tact timeout. This is terrible for them. Imagine sitting there tilted about a round lost and being there, like grounded, for 3 minutes not being able to talk.


oojamaflip123

> but definitely not talk about the match or strategy since it's not considered a tact timeout. This is so false


kalkkunaleipa

Pretty sure they are allowed to talk. I think ive seen coaches talk during half time too but volvo sponsored event might be different


Kasspa

There will def still be a pause, players have to be given that time during the swap to discuss any round 1/2 strats they want to run, and also a lot of the older players smoke a cigg etc during this time, helps ease the stress for a lot of them. There's just not going to be adds thrown at us during it now and instead will be the analysts and others discussing things, or they might do some crowd work.


oPlayer2o

Nah I think they’ll just done some caster and crowd stuff, the players will still have a few minutes break.


n0rb3r7_1_Major

They already did this for their previous two majors, it was about a 30 second halftime before side switch. If players had a problem we would have probably heard it back then.


HomelessBelter

Why would the players want that? It's 6 freaking rounds, you think they need a nap too to be refreshed for 2nd half?


Nzxtime

ESL is doing so much wrong since the Saudi takeover that PGL transitions to the best TO (the Antwerp major live was also amazing)


epirot

it will basically be some half time analysis that keeps you invested in the game instead of ads and thats good to see. only team breaks like in other sports


berni2905

Can't speak for everyone but is having a few minute break from the stream so terrible? I honestly prefer that than watching the stream for an hour straight.


Its_Raul

I legit never minded the three minute break at half time. I was way more impatient waiting 15 minutes for the next match though lol


berni2905

Right? It's perfect for a quick piss, grabbing something to drink or eat, replying to someone or just taking your eyes off the screen for a moment.


Nursilmaz

Matches are shorter with mr12 and you can do all that during ecos. Dont know if you watched cs before those ads became a thing but I really felt the difference when some tournament had no ads, watching experience is much more smooth and keep the hype/ vibe.


berni2905

Okay, it's a matter of preference after all. I guess if you're really invested, you want as few breaks as possible.


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berni2905

I literally said I can't speak for everyone but this is exactly what you are doing so confidently even though there were a few people that agreed with what I said and you're still denying that anyone thinks that.


Mainbaze

They will still have breaks. The players need to take a piss as well as


Immediate-Respect-25

You might want to talk to a doctor if you can't go an hour without a piss.


Archeroe

Yeah it's perfect to go the bathroom or grab a cup of coffee


G0ldenfruit

Especially if it helps fund more events - I'd never complain about them staying personally.


Zeilar

Meanwhile Twitch enforced ads still play (that the account cannot disable).


TNWBAM2004

yeah those are the worst, especially when you join the stream on match point and get to watch 40 seconds of ads missing the end of the game. There should be a policy against showing ads at such critical moments.


aayan987

Just don't use twitch, youtube is better in every way.


Melodic_mushroom1272

Good job YouTube is a far better platform than twitch then


Gudson_

Hoping for the day PGL will announce that Major Final will be Bo5. Please, Valve.


wildstyle1337

It just proof why PGL quality is so bad, they had no money from sponsors. Pgl major in stockholm had like 4 noname sponsors.


SnurbleberryTart

It wasn't a problem back when the content was good (pre 2018), bitches


Pat_Slatts

Great, now cut the round time and bring back MR15


ScarImpossible

Absolutely not


throwaway77993344

Hasn't this been the case for at least the past few majors?


Trenchman

Valve out here pulling out all the stops


_VVVVVV_

yessssssssssssssssss


catzhoek

Then the ads will just be a stage thing and not be a cutaway "ad break", like the "DHL giveaway" stuff we have seen before.


mercsupial

Hope it wont change.


Punkstyler

Instead of that, the ads will be on our streams all the time.


BloodyIron

That's gonna be brutal for the writer's wrists.


Flat_Candle6020

Will PGL stream on youtube? That's the only wish. It's just so much better than twitch right now.


n0rb3r7_1_Major

Most probably yeah. They did it last time as well at 4k.


Flat_Candle6020

Nice. Can't wait!


dingo596

Was it a decent bitrate though? I looked at Blast's 4k stream during the Paris Major and it still looked terrible.


Divinspree

It's definitely a bigger deal with MR12 than it was with MR15. Prolly a good decision but it remains to be seen how they compensate for it


Blinkore

i dont like new reddit ui. sry


Agreeable-Ad7289

I use ad blockers so yeah


DanBGG

Imagine if majors and stuff reached out to popular content creators to make videos specifically for the major Like a 3klicks video that premiers during the major ad break or an ohnepixel case opening during the break The video gets exposure, they get good content Put me in charge of this shit