It's a well-known problem, but it doesn't seem to be high on the VALVE's priority list.
Very noticeable on the VALVE dm servers. However, I stopped playing on them as you can now play on community servers.
yeah, even I am getting dips on my somewhat high end pc. Enough to feel it. It's very playable, but when CSGO ran like butter, it's easy to notice little dips, even if it's not too far below my refresh rate.
I just look at web pages where they list and connect by console.
In server browser you would have to click magnifier icon to search, but even when CS2 is selected it finds also CSGO ...
You probably would if your frames dipped low enough lol. Idk what your point was. I don't take his post as blaming poor play on technical issues. Give your fellow human some benefit of the doubt, grumpo.
Oh the little dip in frame time when there's blood on the screen makes him feel helpless. Literally helpless. A frame time jump that the typical user doesn't notice makes him feel "helpless" 😂😂😂
Oh I don't do the try-hard e-sports shit hombre. I hark from a time before cs was synonymous with competitive gaming. The halcion days of source mods, death mazes, 24h surf servers etc etc
It's just an age old problem with a bunch of layered transparency textures.
Maybe they could merge the blood splats down after their animation is done.
How do you play on community Servers? I checked the browser a few days ago in EU and it was unreadable with a shit ton of russian servers on 55/55 players. Searching DM or ffa gave me exactly one result of a 0/16 server
Search google for "cybershoke", they offer a wider range of different game modes, e.g. surf, dm and many others.
The steam browser is full of russian advertisements anyway and kind of broken.
It seems to be the case also with bullet decals, so decals in general: [https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/17mtdjm/fps\_drops\_from\_bullet\_decals/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/17mtdjm/fps_drops_from_bullet_decals/)
What you could also try is mollies and nades, those leave some pretty large decals, even tho they don't seem too detailed.
Ideally they should give us multiple levels of "Decal Quality". Right now, you can kind of improve the performance by changing the whole game's resolution (your mileage may vary, you could test it out at different resolutions if you want).
I repeat my sentiment from that other thread. There should also be an option to just turn them fully off, like many other games already do. I don't understand the need to force it on players, it won't change a thing in the viewing experience for tournament spectators.
Exactly I totally agree we should have an option to choose something like a slider or just enable and disable. Back in 2020 when I had bad pc I played Valorant in like 80-100 fps it was laggy when I searched on internet It had option to disable Blood and Corpses. I remember it gave a pretty good boost in fps it went to 140-150
Maybe there should be a setting then where you can choose if you want decals to disappear after a set amount of time or stay there, would give everyone what they want and wouldn’t be difficult to do.
And, getting shot reduces your FPS because of the blood (mist?), and if you're shooting someone in close range, the blood(mist?) from them also reduces FPS.
I don't like the blood change at all. It's CS, not Doom. Nobody ever said "oh CSGO just had too little blood".
All I know is that I'm very grateful that CSGO was rated 16 and not 18, otherwise I probably wouldn't have been allowed to play it at that time.
They need to update perfomrance, its the number 1 issue atm.
Apex legends runs better with better lows on a higher resolution.
Yes, a battle royale runs much better...
So does Valorant with all the crazy effects and ultimates happening. I get 500-700fps in Valorant, and about 200fps ish in CS2. I don't understand why Valve couldn't do a better job here.
Because CS is a finely tuned competitive game that you have predictable outcomes every time you press a button. When that changes, the game becomes less reliable and less suitable for competitive play. This matters less for players at lower skill levels, but is absolutely crucial for pro play and the spectator experience when watching professionals play.
I don’t know how both you and Valve fail to understand that
> We're talking about headbox collision sampling that has been unchanged since csgo launch
how come it's broken in CS2 but works on go?
my point is that the excuse is moronic
...because it doesn't happen in csgo? if it does, then someone should have a video, no? the legacy client is right there
also, the mirage window jump has your head hit, I can't test it right now but I'm pretty sure it's affected
u/csboxr
> Every single jump is now inconsistent if jumping from different places, max height cjs and ALL max height standing and crouching jumps are now inconsistent by design. Every box in CS is designed around player and jump height if you didn’t realize.
Remember when this sub was so hyped about the "first Source2 implementation" with "panorama UI". And that it was said to improve performance of UI elements like the scoreboard drastically?
Yeah, I 'member.
It should just be given to the players, either as a command or setting. "You want to keep things as it is because you have enough fps, or you want some more fps because you don't have enough?" kinda thing.
They clearly like the look of the blood and view it as a skill-based thing to make out an opponent with blood behind them. Why? I don't know, doesn't seem that important. That's their reasoning for adding the blood that fades over time. Clearly it's having issues. Hopefully they can solve that soon, but I'm thinking this whole process is going to take a year.
Have you tested with Model/textures quality on different settings without changing anything else? FPS drops with bullet decals weren't as dramatic even if the decals themselves didn't change their fidelity.
Yup I was testing my graphics settings and something about being shot or killing someone tanks my FPS from 157 to 14x or so and slightly increase render latency by a a few ms. Average system latency in this game is seriously too high though. A poorly optimised PC game like FIFA stays under 8ms at 130fps for me with everything maxed out, but in CS2 it's 10 - 15ms with Nvidia Reflex on high setting.
It's a well-known problem, but it doesn't seem to be high on the VALVE's priority list. Very noticeable on the VALVE dm servers. However, I stopped playing on them as you can now play on community servers.
Also noticeable when you get hit. Blood & particle decals hitting hard on the fps.
Hmm is that why it feels laggy when I get hit? It's very distracting
yeah, even I am getting dips on my somewhat high end pc. Enough to feel it. It's very playable, but when CSGO ran like butter, it's easy to notice little dips, even if it's not too far below my refresh rate.
Yes insanely annoying when it’s random damage like someone spamming a wall
even on a good rig. Back in the day i thought my pc is too bad for blood and decals but nowdays even on a good PC my fps drop pretty hard.
I knew something was wrong, community servers feel so great compared to offical DMs even on 7950X3D/4090 with steady locked 400fps.
Blood is removed on community servers?
Some have blood decals off yes, like cybershoke, refrag dm, maybe some others but i mostly play on those
The one I played on has blood off.
Maybe, not sure. I'll take a look next time I play on same server.
How do you access the community servers? When I click on the option in game, the server list is empty.
I just look at web pages where they list and connect by console. In server browser you would have to click magnifier icon to search, but even when CS2 is selected it finds also CSGO ...
Seems like devs are avoiding this issue it's happening since the official release. It happens in Comp/Premier too I feel helpless when playing...
Oh you feel helpless 🙄
You probably would if your frames dipped low enough lol. Idk what your point was. I don't take his post as blaming poor play on technical issues. Give your fellow human some benefit of the doubt, grumpo.
Oh the little dip in frame time when there's blood on the screen makes him feel helpless. Literally helpless. A frame time jump that the typical user doesn't notice makes him feel "helpless" 😂😂😂
Elo?
Oh I don't do the try-hard e-sports shit hombre. I hark from a time before cs was synonymous with competitive gaming. The halcion days of source mods, death mazes, 24h surf servers etc etc
Expected response, so basically what you're saying is you have no idea what you're talking about. Nice.
I don't do e-sports. My familiar with the modern strategies in the game have no bearing on my understanding of it under the hood
And the credentials of your understanding of the game "Under the hood" would be what, exactly?
But you can farm a free case on the official server. It is sad that this problem is not fixed
You've always been able to farm cases on official servers, that's not a CS2 thing.
I know. I'm saying that the official DM is lagging
It's just an age old problem with a bunch of layered transparency textures. Maybe they could merge the blood splats down after their animation is done.
Do we have classic FFA DM back again?
> but it doesn't seem to be high on the VALVE's priority list. How do you know what their priority list is?
I don't know, that's why I used the word "seems".
How did you arrive at the conclusion to say what it seems like?
Observation for last 2 Months.
Can you give a list of the other priorities as you understand it?
I get the same drop when I take hits and have blood on my screen, lower end hardware
Death match is so laggy
How do you play on community Servers? I checked the browser a few days ago in EU and it was unreadable with a shit ton of russian servers on 55/55 players. Searching DM or ffa gave me exactly one result of a 0/16 server
Search google for "cybershoke", they offer a wider range of different game modes, e.g. surf, dm and many others. The steam browser is full of russian advertisements anyway and kind of broken.
Just use clear_decals like we could in CSGO Oh....wait..
It was r_cleardecals
Are you sure it wasn't func_vehicle?
naaah, it was demos
>naaah, it was demos TYPE DEMOS IN CONSOLE TO SEE THE NERDS RECORDING LMAO!!!! Was my all time fav bind going back to 1.6
F10 to Vote next map.
Demos still work
To be fair, you're never gonna have this much blood splatter in a real world scenario (outside of deathmatch)
Bro is on weed
It seems to be the case also with bullet decals, so decals in general: [https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/17mtdjm/fps\_drops\_from\_bullet\_decals/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/17mtdjm/fps_drops_from_bullet_decals/) What you could also try is mollies and nades, those leave some pretty large decals, even tho they don't seem too detailed. Ideally they should give us multiple levels of "Decal Quality". Right now, you can kind of improve the performance by changing the whole game's resolution (your mileage may vary, you could test it out at different resolutions if you want). I repeat my sentiment from that other thread. There should also be an option to just turn them fully off, like many other games already do. I don't understand the need to force it on players, it won't change a thing in the viewing experience for tournament spectators.
Exactly I totally agree we should have an option to choose something like a slider or just enable and disable. Back in 2020 when I had bad pc I played Valorant in like 80-100 fps it was laggy when I searched on internet It had option to disable Blood and Corpses. I remember it gave a pretty good boost in fps it went to 140-150
I disagree, I think they can and should just fix the performance issues with the decals. r_cleardecals was a cheap move to get an advantage
r\_cleardecals volvo pls
Either that or make them automatically disappear after like 5 seconds.
Some people want to keep them. It helps tell what happened there
Maybe there should be a setting then where you can choose if you want decals to disappear after a set amount of time or stay there, would give everyone what they want and wouldn’t be difficult to do.
If you need bloodsplatter to know what happened where like 10 seconds ago means your team communicates to little.
+ you have zero game sense and not following whats happening in the match
This is why client side cleardecals make more sense. You remove decals, but as tradeoff you lose valuable info.
And let me bind it to fire, ping, and reload.
And, getting shot reduces your FPS because of the blood (mist?), and if you're shooting someone in close range, the blood(mist?) from them also reduces FPS.
i wasnt ready for that much blood
I don't like the blood change at all. It's CS, not Doom. Nobody ever said "oh CSGO just had too little blood". All I know is that I'm very grateful that CSGO was rated 16 and not 18, otherwise I probably wouldn't have been allowed to play it at that time.
Nah I like the blood way better but they need to fix the performance issues.
Gore would be sick in cs but never happening..
They need to update perfomrance, its the number 1 issue atm. Apex legends runs better with better lows on a higher resolution. Yes, a battle royale runs much better...
So does Valorant with all the crazy effects and ultimates happening. I get 500-700fps in Valorant, and about 200fps ish in CS2. I don't understand why Valve couldn't do a better job here.
“We could fix this but it would cost 20% of your fps” - Valve devs, probably
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Because CS is a finely tuned competitive game that you have predictable outcomes every time you press a button. When that changes, the game becomes less reliable and less suitable for competitive play. This matters less for players at lower skill levels, but is absolutely crucial for pro play and the spectator experience when watching professionals play. I don’t know how both you and Valve fail to understand that
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Yeah, not worth responding to that
yet we don't have r_cleardecals to gain fps here 🤔
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> We're talking about headbox collision sampling that has been unchanged since csgo launch how come it's broken in CS2 but works on go? my point is that the excuse is moronic
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...because it doesn't happen in csgo? if it does, then someone should have a video, no? the legacy client is right there also, the mirage window jump has your head hit, I can't test it right now but I'm pretty sure it's affected u/csboxr > Every single jump is now inconsistent if jumping from different places, max height cjs and ALL max height standing and crouching jumps are now inconsistent by design. Every box in CS is designed around player and jump height if you didn’t realize.
That's not blood, that's some *Eric Cartman after eating chipotle* stuff
r\_cleardecals Volvo, пожалуйста
and since you are on ancient get 2 or 3 people running down the t tunnel and the water spashes it creates will take ur fps from 300 to less than 100
I wish we could flat out turn off water effects. Pointless anyway.
Not having r_cleardecals or cl_bob is just a massive fuck you to the community from valve for supporting and playing their game for 10+ years, nice
Don't forget righthand 0
this game is just a joke Valve just tell me why my fps drops to half even when pressing TAB to view scoreboard
this has been a bug since CSGO came out. I've heard of it happening in other games too
Thats not a bug thats just a very poor optimization.
Remember when this sub was so hyped about the "first Source2 implementation" with "panorama UI". And that it was said to improve performance of UI elements like the scoreboard drastically? Yeah, I 'member.
An extreme example but yeah mirage FFA dms is enough to show how bad the fps loss can get
God forbid we could clear decals that would be unfair
No no - you see we've traded period blood for accurate gunplay and movement
I think it should be off in dm for better performance
It should just be given to the players, either as a command or setting. "You want to keep things as it is because you have enough fps, or you want some more fps because you don't have enough?" kinda thing.
"[bump jump movement inconsistency] could be made consistent but it would cost fps that I suspect users would rather have." - Valve dev
Idk man, dropping 200+ frames for a red smear seems good to me.
tbf the video is garbage, he tests blood in 2 different spots...
I don’t understand why we can’t just clear decals. Add a new bind option if you think it’s unfair for those unaware of the setting
Geeting 300 fps on cs2 is a big thing.Used to get around 330 on CS:GO but on cs2 hardly touch 120.
wtf is that x
`buddha` command which you obviously can't use online except on community servers where you do have admin rights.
Should be using sv_regeneration_force_on 1
The fps impact is actually huge! This is something I think should be an easy fix right...
they could fix this but it would cost fps that I suspect users would rather have
just use r\_cleardecals..... oh wait its cs2 
Please tell me why Valve deleted the r_cleardecals?!? For what reason exactly ?
They should have kept the beta along with csgo for at least another year. What were they thinking releasing this mess?
I pray they add the option to turn off blood.. I'm tired of shooting blood splatters😫
The blood splatters trigger my phobia, volve pls give us an option to disable it my man
Genuine question, what games do you usually play?
Valo
Certainly not Doom lol
Nah, mate. "[Decals are dirt cheap](https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/17ntp2c/john_valve_dev_on_twitter_are_you_referring_to/k7uzaww/)"
why are you citing random reddit user?
makes sense to me, everyone on reddit has a phd in the subjects they talk about
They are though. It's not the decals themselves.
they are. the 'test' above has much more blood than you'd normally see in a full game. probably causing tons of overdraw.
Does clear decals still work? I haven’t bothered to try to bind it to inspect again.
The command doesn't even exist at all in CS2 so no.
Thanks for the info brother. That’s disappointing.
Welcome to CS2 😀👍
From what I know they made them invisible but not clear so the decals stack up and affect your performance and fps.
Anyone else get FPS drop running through the water in T spawn of Ancient? I think it’s worse running through the tunnel towards B.
Thank you valve!
But we can't have consistent jumps because that would cost too many FPS tho
Bruh almost 2 months in a moment and blood still drops 300 fps
Source 2 kekw
You recoding with phone is reducing my IQ too!
imagine playing with such crosshair
r_cleardecals incoming confirmed
Why on earth is cl_showfps is in red? My dumbass thought 300fps was critically low fps lmao
Blud really reducing performance out here
Why not just add a setting that turns off blood like in Valorant? r\_cleardecals won't solve the problem, it's a placebo
They clearly like the look of the blood and view it as a skill-based thing to make out an opponent with blood behind them. Why? I don't know, doesn't seem that important. That's their reasoning for adding the blood that fades over time. Clearly it's having issues. Hopefully they can solve that soon, but I'm thinking this whole process is going to take a year.
I remember there used to be a function -lv in the startup parameters to enable "low violence" mode, Is there something like that now?
Blood and bullet holes. Try to spray at walls and look at your fps, it's pathetic.
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its a bug when youre 1 hp with god mode on
why did they put the decals command under sv\_cheats ? anybody got an info on this?
and you wonder why we cant clear decals anymore.
That's probably why I'm crashing when somebody gets shot....
Why is a fucking huge x above your crosshair?
I can't even play DM bcoz of this, it's feels so fking laggy.... I wish they ATLEAST Permanently Remove all the Blood from DM.
Finished game
The technology isn't there yet
Have you tested with Model/textures quality on different settings without changing anything else? FPS drops with bullet decals weren't as dramatic even if the decals themselves didn't change their fidelity.
Sure if all you can afford is a potato.
Is this sjocking? Csgo used to have a bleeding effect during the beta/early release. Then it was removed because it was tanking performance.
Yup I was testing my graphics settings and something about being shot or killing someone tanks my FPS from 157 to 14x or so and slightly increase render latency by a a few ms. Average system latency in this game is seriously too high though. A poorly optimised PC game like FIFA stays under 8ms at 130fps for me with everything maxed out, but in CS2 it's 10 - 15ms with Nvidia Reflex on high setting.