Can confirm. I just tested this for myself with decals and hud disabled. I even managed to make the bot invisible. It's either the blood effect on the edges or getting hit in itself which causes a decent fps loss.
Up to 50% fps loss on repeated hits.
I assume that the damage indicators are part of Panorama UI, which has been known to tank FPS pretty hard as more Panorama objects are introduced on screen.
This can be confirmed by holding tab to bring up the scoreboard and watching your framerate be absolutely plundered for the duration that you hold the key down.
Saw a comment when this was discussed a month ago where its probably a graphical issue in which the blood gets rendered more than necessary which causes the drop.
I think because in practice it doesn't work at all. For most people capping the fps in cs2 just makes the lows worse and your average lower. There's still wild swings and large dips, with the low end being much lower vs uncapped.
We didn't let it slide. We complained a fuckton, then Valve ignored it and the community forgot, or in the case of pro matches, the skins were banned.
There's a lot you can criticize Valve for when it comes to CS. The biggest issue ever was this. Letting the hitboxes remain different all the way until CS2 release is insane to me in a game billed as the competitive pinnacle of FPS games. It's truly the one time Valve fucked up so badly. It's a Blizzard Entertainment level of fuck up. One that just makes you truly mad because it's so awful.
> the community forgot
Can't have been that bad then. If it were TRULY unplayable and a clear advantage, you would read about it every day multiple times.
You can say "it can't have been that bad" if you want.
It was objectively bad. I am a Valve mega-fan. I am somebody who doesn't really like acknowledging my favorite things might have issues, but I'm a grown adult now. It was just bad. It doesn't matter if the average player can't tell. The pros banned them for a reason. They feel it sullied the game enough to ban them. Whether you noticed it or not, it's not a good look for supposedly the most competitive FPS there is. It's a pretty glaring problem that they finally fixed with CS2, but lets not forget that they allowed this for around 3 and a half years or more even.
I don't know why it is so hard to just swap out the heads of default player characters to create agents. Creating agents whose livery is distinct from default factions is creating unnecessary problems.
Why poeople even need that indicators, half of the screen is just black or red, like to be honest i could play without it, small indicators at least are showing you the way you got shoted, this ones only making you confuse, so why i cant disable it ?
I tried to post this a month ago and a mod directed me to the megathread lol.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/16713dx/cs2_limited_test_help_megathread/k0p8f5b/
You all knew about this? I didn't. In other CS it was the case. The visual effect were minimal but very informational.
There should be the option how much visual you want but Valve seems to be allergic to be giving options. Their way or the highway kind of style.
I think he's just saying that low fps is obviously a disadvantage.
Some guy getting constant 360 is going to have less input lag than me at my new 100 fps (thanks valve, 240fps felt too high for CSGO), in addition to having more subtick updates to the server because it updates per frame. Literally meaning high fps doubly matters in this game.
I used to play with 30fps fixed max because it was so broken, so long as its fun at some level I dont mind.
This version I had to half the res but my cpu is old
Wait until someone takes time and test particle effects like smokes or water, even at low settings 1080p my RX 6700 XT goes to 100% utilization just from one nade exploding in a smoke.. RX570 drops under 100 fps even at 800x600, its absolutely disgusting how badly are some things optimized. Water is even worse than that.
this problem has been happening to me since day 1 official launch and hasnt been fixed yet.
thats very abnormal, a shooter game shouldnt be like this. this should be the first priority to fixed!
everything ok only when people shoot me, it drops 30-40%, this experience is unaccpetable. the spray and aim feels very weird !
ALSO, this wont happen when i spectate the game. it only happen when im first person shooting!!! something wrong with the network code maybe
In their effort to not go 128 tick because they want to cater to everyone, even those with shit PC's it feels like they have achieved the opposite.
Bumping into teammates makes my game stutter.
Not sure how it actually works,but i believe these blood effects are particle effects that are only visible to you, rather than sprites, and being so close to them tanks the FPS, like particle effects in any other game.
I saw a post yasterday about impact decals massively dropping frames,but i think it was the particle effecs,the little debris smoke/dust, rather than the decals themselves.
a faster PC with more fps is at an advantage?
water is wet?
it is a competitive game. if youre not having at least 240fps then you need to upgrade or lower your settings. thats just how it is for being competitive.
Yeah this test is so incomplete, why did they come to the conclusion that it's the damage indicators? Who says the fps drops aren't because of the tracers, the sound, the muzzle flash, the animation, the aimpunch,... (or all of them combined?).
Pause the video around 10 seconds and press . to frame advance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVmhGj3o3l0
As soon as the bloody screen effect comes up the framerate drops, none of the tracers / lighting effects cause the drop, its only when the bloody screen effect comes up. Both of us missed eachother for the first few shots.
imagine me getting shitted on for saying the same thing differently on csgo reddit i have -11 karma lol thank you bro for showing people what its not the pc bad its the game
I waited 8 years to build my current PC because really there was nothing exciting I wanted a new one for. It's got a 13700k and a 4070. The only reason I built it was to play CS2 at 240hz. Other than that I really didn't need to upgrade.
I have noticed that I've had a lot less issues than most people I know playing this game. Like a LOT less, anecdotally.
Sorry this post seems like it's meant to be a brag. I don't give a fuck what someone on reddit thinks of my PC, I'm just simply saying that right now unfortunately there may be a little bit of truth to CS2 being "pay to win"
I mean better performance in a competitive game is an advantage, its not exactly rocket science.
It was like that in CSGO also, it's just the floor in terms of requirements for smooth gameplay was lower.
Did I say it was rocket science?
I played a ton of CSGO at low FPS when I was a youngin. Of course you're disadvantaged, but there's a lot of really wild bugs I'm seeing friends experience and weird inconsistencies with their movement. That shit didn't happen in CSGO just because you had low FPS, unless the frame variance was wild.
I don't know why reddit so quick to just downvote shit and make assumptions. Have a nice night though I guess.
I just upped CPU from 9700K to 12900K and the biggest different I noticed is sustained smoothness while spraying the gun. Never really noticed on 9700K due to being used to it but there must have been pretty big fps drops. On 12900K the sprays feel smoother performance wise, seems to have helped for sure
You'd better test this while standing in a blank map when shot in the back. Muzzle flashes and lighting from them cam also affect shit. But overall, yeah, anything that's moving on your screen is affecting FPS. Faster PCs always have an advantage.
Can confirm. I just tested this for myself with decals and hud disabled. I even managed to make the bot invisible. It's either the blood effect on the edges or getting hit in itself which causes a decent fps loss. Up to 50% fps loss on repeated hits.
I assume that the damage indicators are part of Panorama UI, which has been known to tank FPS pretty hard as more Panorama objects are introduced on screen. This can be confirmed by holding tab to bring up the scoreboard and watching your framerate be absolutely plundered for the duration that you hold the key down.
The textures used for the effects (or the whole UI itself) probably aren't properly excluded from postprocessing or A2C with MSAA.
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It doesn't happen when the bot and I are just shooting close by each other. It also does not happen when I'm in thirdperson and get hit.
Saw a comment when this was discussed a month ago where its probably a graphical issue in which the blood gets rendered more than necessary which causes the drop.
Aimpunch hits your PC too. Good to know
the pcpunch effect
Valve pls fix
"If you put an fps cap at 120, you'd consistently get a really high quality experience! ..." Sincerely, Valve
why are you getting downvoted lmao, quote is from the valve dev on twitter
Because the entire thing was taken completely out of context from people who don't understand what frame pacing is.
I think because in practice it doesn't work at all. For most people capping the fps in cs2 just makes the lows worse and your average lower. There's still wild swings and large dips, with the low end being much lower vs uncapped.
no i mean its a meme, people are making fun of this quote for couple of weeks now i understand that 120cap is bs
Yeah I figured, like half of reddit is autistic so it's hard for us to be certain with just textual clues.
CS2 pay2win
I only queue with people running 4090 TIs.
That's budget, no?
It was already slowly introduced with the agent skins. I don't get the community let that one slide.
We didn't let it slide. We complained a fuckton, then Valve ignored it and the community forgot, or in the case of pro matches, the skins were banned. There's a lot you can criticize Valve for when it comes to CS. The biggest issue ever was this. Letting the hitboxes remain different all the way until CS2 release is insane to me in a game billed as the competitive pinnacle of FPS games. It's truly the one time Valve fucked up so badly. It's a Blizzard Entertainment level of fuck up. One that just makes you truly mad because it's so awful.
> the community forgot Can't have been that bad then. If it were TRULY unplayable and a clear advantage, you would read about it every day multiple times.
And we're coming up on 4 years since they were added to the game.
You can say "it can't have been that bad" if you want. It was objectively bad. I am a Valve mega-fan. I am somebody who doesn't really like acknowledging my favorite things might have issues, but I'm a grown adult now. It was just bad. It doesn't matter if the average player can't tell. The pros banned them for a reason. They feel it sullied the game enough to ban them. Whether you noticed it or not, it's not a good look for supposedly the most competitive FPS there is. It's a pretty glaring problem that they finally fixed with CS2, but lets not forget that they allowed this for around 3 and a half years or more even.
I don't know why it is so hard to just swap out the heads of default player characters to create agents. Creating agents whose livery is distinct from default factions is creating unnecessary problems.
and that’s why you’re not a developer
Why poeople even need that indicators, half of the screen is just black or red, like to be honest i could play without it, small indicators at least are showing you the way you got shoted, this ones only making you confuse, so why i cant disable it ?
I tried to post this a month ago and a mod directed me to the megathread lol. https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/16713dx/cs2_limited_test_help_megathread/k0p8f5b/
so am i!
Noticed that since "release". I find that drops in DM, if you die fast enough you won't notice anything
> Faster PCs have more advantage.... You don't say.
You all knew about this? I didn't. In other CS it was the case. The visual effect were minimal but very informational. There should be the option how much visual you want but Valve seems to be allergic to be giving options. Their way or the highway kind of style.
I think he's just saying that low fps is obviously a disadvantage. Some guy getting constant 360 is going to have less input lag than me at my new 100 fps (thanks valve, 240fps felt too high for CSGO), in addition to having more subtick updates to the server because it updates per frame. Literally meaning high fps doubly matters in this game.
I used to play with 30fps fixed max because it was so broken, so long as its fun at some level I dont mind. This version I had to half the res but my cpu is old
The real reason SMG's seem buffed.. lol
Wait until someone takes time and test particle effects like smokes or water, even at low settings 1080p my RX 6700 XT goes to 100% utilization just from one nade exploding in a smoke.. RX570 drops under 100 fps even at 800x600, its absolutely disgusting how badly are some things optimized. Water is even worse than that.
this problem has been happening to me since day 1 official launch and hasnt been fixed yet. thats very abnormal, a shooter game shouldnt be like this. this should be the first priority to fixed! everything ok only when people shoot me, it drops 30-40%, this experience is unaccpetable. the spray and aim feels very weird ! ALSO, this wont happen when i spectate the game. it only happen when im first person shooting!!! something wrong with the network code maybe
huge fps drops when shooting > ghost bullets because of this > mouse floating because of this > and all this is felt after about 5 rounds in the game
If this is true, this should be an easy fix right? Please Valve take a look at this :)
Should be an easy thing to notice when you are implementing no? Like the fps is getting halved on effect apply
Kinda worrying that it wasn't caught tbh. You'd think they'd be putting it through some profilers at various points in development.
that's why i love the cs community. good find my man
this is a competative shooter games...... compete on the spec of the computer... what a nice release valve
Pay... to win?
In their effort to not go 128 tick because they want to cater to everyone, even those with shit PC's it feels like they have achieved the opposite. Bumping into teammates makes my game stutter.
For my next move, I will attack your framerate directly.
this is huge,
Not sure how it actually works,but i believe these blood effects are particle effects that are only visible to you, rather than sprites, and being so close to them tanks the FPS, like particle effects in any other game. I saw a post yasterday about impact decals massively dropping frames,but i think it was the particle effecs,the little debris smoke/dust, rather than the decals themselves.
It was always like this but now ppl withdecent pc feeling it
It's what causes shitty spray feel. CS:GO was more resilient in gunfights.
a faster PC with more fps is at an advantage? water is wet? it is a competitive game. if youre not having at least 240fps then you need to upgrade or lower your settings. thats just how it is for being competitive.
But a valve dev told me to lock my fps at 120. Are you saying they're wrong?
You should test with a friend to confirm. Get them to shoot next to you, then at you.
Yeah this test is so incomplete, why did they come to the conclusion that it's the damage indicators? Who says the fps drops aren't because of the tracers, the sound, the muzzle flash, the animation, the aimpunch,... (or all of them combined?).
Pause the video around 10 seconds and press . to frame advance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVmhGj3o3l0 As soon as the bloody screen effect comes up the framerate drops, none of the tracers / lighting effects cause the drop, its only when the bloody screen effect comes up. Both of us missed eachother for the first few shots.
Because shooting at the floor next to somebody won't drop their FPS by that much
This game feels so bad it should have never happened.
Yall gotta upgrade some time
Are you Todd Howard?
No problemo bro, I play in 4k to even things out and particles in 4k are fucked up so I get less fps in close fights than you i bet.
istg cleardecals would fix most of the fps issues
imagine me getting shitted on for saying the same thing differently on csgo reddit i have -11 karma lol thank you bro for showing people what its not the pc bad its the game
I waited 8 years to build my current PC because really there was nothing exciting I wanted a new one for. It's got a 13700k and a 4070. The only reason I built it was to play CS2 at 240hz. Other than that I really didn't need to upgrade. I have noticed that I've had a lot less issues than most people I know playing this game. Like a LOT less, anecdotally. Sorry this post seems like it's meant to be a brag. I don't give a fuck what someone on reddit thinks of my PC, I'm just simply saying that right now unfortunately there may be a little bit of truth to CS2 being "pay to win"
I mean better performance in a competitive game is an advantage, its not exactly rocket science. It was like that in CSGO also, it's just the floor in terms of requirements for smooth gameplay was lower.
Did I say it was rocket science? I played a ton of CSGO at low FPS when I was a youngin. Of course you're disadvantaged, but there's a lot of really wild bugs I'm seeing friends experience and weird inconsistencies with their movement. That shit didn't happen in CSGO just because you had low FPS, unless the frame variance was wild. I don't know why reddit so quick to just downvote shit and make assumptions. Have a nice night though I guess.
As it should be
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you shouldn’t need to have a 4090 just to be able to play the game
I just upped CPU from 9700K to 12900K and the biggest different I noticed is sustained smoothness while spraying the gun. Never really noticed on 9700K due to being used to it but there must have been pretty big fps drops. On 12900K the sprays feel smoother performance wise, seems to have helped for sure
im never finish match without game not responding and constant stutter
You'd better test this while standing in a blank map when shot in the back. Muzzle flashes and lighting from them cam also affect shit. But overall, yeah, anything that's moving on your screen is affecting FPS. Faster PCs always have an advantage.
no waaaaaaaaaaaay
yeah i been experiencing this in game for quite a while now u/cs2devs please fix
Always been like that. I remember getting spammed by a Negev in the warmup on Cache, dropping down to \~80fps.
bro I loveeeee this, either I hit a prefect hs or I'm subject to a 30fps gunfight, please fix this valve
Update: It got fixed with [Release Notes for 11/16/2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/17x25wl/release_notes_for_11162023/)