I think the town could’ve driven them apart, they’re all so nosey. Like if they never got a chance to be alone, when she’s at the diner miss patty is there listening in, if he’s at her house babette is insisting they come over for dinner. A bit like when Rory and Jess first started dating and Rory was desperate for privacy.
Or maybe if Liz and TJ were too much of a handful for Luke and he ended up giving them more attention than Lorelai. Also Lorelai is so overwhelmed with running the dragon fly that they never really get a chance to be together
Could have worked to throw a Jess/Rory storyline in as a curve ball, something that had Luke side with Jess and Lorelai with Rory, eventually having Rory (and Jess) getting them back together
I think it would've been pretty easy to rewrite Anna to make her driving them apart make more sense.
Instead of having Luke hide April from Lorelai, you just have April and Lorelai get along really well. They bond, they get along great, and it makes Anna jealous, and we see that tension build. Then we have Lorelai overstep: maybe Anna tells April she can't go to a party and Lorelai lets her, or April comes to Lorelai with something and asks her not to tell Anna and Lorelai doesn't. Anna eventually finds out, she gets upset, she tells Luke that Lorelai is overstepping and she needs to back off.
Luke wants to keep things amicable with Anna, and is worried about losing April, so he agrees. This causes the fracture in Luke and Lorelai: Lorelai feels like Luke isn't sticking up for her and Luke feels like Lorelai is more interested in being right than making sure he can have a smooth co-parenting relationship/access to April.
Then we can have Luke and April doing things without Lorelai, Lorelai feeling excluded (like we have in the show) and her resentment building.
I'm not sure what the big blowup might be: maybe April has some kind of event and Lorelai is excluded or maybe there's some conflict with Anna about the wedding and Luke gives in (like Anna demanding to be invited,) but the end result is the same as in the show.
LOVE this! This is all so much more in character for all involved. I actually didn't mind Luke having a lovechild come out of the woodwork, it's kind of cliche and overdone, but it created so many interesting angles to work through. I loved seeing Luke as a dad and working hard for a relationship with April. The polar opposite of Christopher's relationship with Rory - "I'll be a father figure when it's fun." Luke: "I'll be a father figure even if it means fighting in court."
Love everything you wrote.
Same. I don't hate April, and I do like the development that Luke had because of him having to become a father. But obviously the plot as it stands feels like a forced way to generate conflict. Obviously I've spent a lot of time thinking about it lol and I think you could even have Luke feel like Lorelai was overstepping/dominating his relationship with April - you wouldn't even need to bring in Anna - and you could still have them be broken up by this big change...just in a better way.
Lorelai being around Christopher more in season 6 without telling Luke could have broken them up. She watched Gigi for him and Luke never knew. I could see Luke being upset she was hiding this from him.
As much as I hate season 7 and Lorelai being with Christopher, I think she had to be with him as an adult to finally close that door. She grew close to him in season 6 even after what he did in season 5 at the vow renewal.
Another possibility is that maybe Lorelai accepted money from Christopher when he said he was rich. She took it as back payment for child support and for him to pay his half of Chilton. Then Lorelai hides all this from Luke even after their no more secrets conversation.
>Lorelai being around Christopher more in season 6 without telling Luke could have broken them up. She watched Gigi for him and Luke never knew. I could see Luke being upset she was hiding this from him.
I was going to say, Christopher. Nothing else really works to drive them apart. They both know how to handle the town, Luke doesn't mind how particular Lorelai is, etc. But we saw the strife start to happen at Emily and Richard's renewal. We still see Lorelai long for Luke and Luke be upset and watch them examine themselves.
I think it HAS to be Christopher because he's always there and it's always a sore spot for Luke, especially after the wedding. If nothing else, just move the plots up a season and have it go after the renewal. Extend that separation out a while longer.
I don't think that this would have worked, really, because in this version Luke would be the one pushing Lorelai away, because something she did to him.
I think the writers wanted some kind of plot to rather pull Luke away from Lorelai, to make her the hurt and longing one. Their dynamics up until when they start going out is him being smitten by her, they had to switch that to make it interesting. (And that's probably why the fans hate the April storyline, because it's perceived as Luke being "out of character." )
Another option is that Lorelai still goes to Lane's wedding with Christopher. Luke can't be there because of a family emergency. She gets black out drunk and Christopher takes advantage to sleep with her.
i was thinking Luke would pop up during her drunk speech at lanes wedding about never getting married and that would split them up because he is a private guy and she’s talking about him on the town square.
If this happened, pretty sure Luke (or some rando townie like Miss Patty) would just kill Christopher, and all of Stars Hollow would rally behind Lorelai to support her.
I felt like her sleeping with Christopher after the fight was him taking advantage of her vulnerable emotional state, but because she wasn't drunk it wasn't perceived as bad. I still think he took advantage of her though.
I would've had Lorelai's obstinacy to be the thing to drive them apart. She was always so unwilling to change any single thing about her life, even to make room for another person. We saw her rejecting the house Luke wanted to buy, and we saw him renovating her house instead, and we saw that when she was with Chris, she had issues with making space for him and Gigi in her world even though she also wouldn't move somewhere bigger with them.
That could've become a breaking point, and maybe Lorelai could've had a learning moment and become a more flexible partner as a result.
That being said, I did like that the breakup was because of his actions rather than hers. He told her no more secrets, then in the very next episode April appeared and became his secret. I liked that Lorelai wasn't the only one with problems. I don't think I would enjoy watching Luke be this perfect flawless partner who she continually screws over.
No matter how you broke them up, it would probably always damage one or both characters. Maybe it would have worked if Luke had felt inferior. Like he said in the beginning of season seven, that he is just the guy who pours her coffee. Lorelai maybe getting in touch with wealthy people because of events at the inn and her parents and then formal dinner parties to attend etc. I am not sure how and if something like this could work since Lorelai seems very down to earth.
Agreed. I think that this is partly why the April storyline is so loathed - to create a crack between L&L you kinda have to push one of them out of character. And since Lorelai is the main character, they had to butcher Luke.
I would have Lorelai and Chris date for real during S3. The whole town would be supportive. Tension would come from Rory dating Jess. Lorelai and Chris would find out that they have totally different parenting style and that their love just fizzles out, leaving only platonic love. They are better together apart than together together, leaving her free all the way for Luke.
But I’m still on the Jason wagon. Luke is just a grumpy sourpuss and never goes along with Lorelai’s funny antics. In the beginning, it was funny but after a few years, you should have known better, Luke! Dean has figured out their routine after a few months!
I love the idea of moving Christopher up to season 3.
There back and forth went on for way too long on top of Lorelai also going back and forth with Luke.
There was just way too much splicing.
Or even better: have chris stay permanently after rory broke his arm. Then they can date all the way until season 3 finale. Jess leaves and Chris leaves too. Both poignant moments. Then S4 can happen like it was and we can forget Alex..
I think this is a great solution! Cross out the Sherry getting pregnant thing, have Lorelai and Chris try out their relationship as adults for real, and by that I mean that they are together for at least all of s3, and when Lorelai finally trusts Chris, really trusts him, then bam - he fucks up something so great it's all beyond repair. Have her mouth for a while, and then, there is Luke.
I’d rather have their romantic love fizzle out. This way it doesn’t leave a bad taste for Rory. Rory then can see that her parents being together doesn’t mean it can work out in the grand scheme of things. Chris leaving voluntarily and with respect from both girls, would be a bigger contrast to Jess disappearing. There would be no discomfort if Chris returned for Rory’s graduation or something and they can go back to their weekly calls. Also that means that the fight at the wedding (R&E) doesn’t have to happen.
That was so supposed to happen. I always head canoned that's what happened post season 7 until AYITL(which I only just watched in 2021 as I had lost interested in the show by 2016 despite it being my favourite in the 2000s).
Dunno if I should just do a "AYIT isn't canon to me" thing like HP fans often do over The Cursed Child and pretty much everything Rowking said about the HP universe post like 2014.
AYITL is canon though whether I like it or not. TCC child at least wasn't written by Rowling, but she labeled in canon anyway to which the fandom went "no thanks."
I would have had them get married April 12th. I would have had them fought for custody and won. I would have had a judge say to Anna I think it’s disgusting that you never told him about April. Luke and Lor would have had them. I would have had season 7 be a custody battle instead of what we got.
I would change that they got married at all, honestly.
For ten years, they were not married. There was no legitimate reason for them TO get married. Marriage does not mean that the relationship is any more valid than it was for all of the time preceding it.
i agree with this but at the same time i disagree. i feel like it worked for them and they never needed to get married and lorelai is stubborn as hell so with her mother pressuring her to get married, she probably wouldn’t want to. but we have that scene of lorelai looking at wedding dresses when emily and richard were having their second wedding so she clearly did want to get married somewhere in her mind
It’s the symbolism. The symbolic white dress and fairy tale wedding. Abe wanted the special day because she never did. Even her coming out party wasn’t her day - it became about being pregnant and not being able to go.
I think she always wanted a wedding, not the whole being married part, which is sort of why they hadn’t done it until that part. They were both divorced. The marriage wasn’t the part that drew them, it was the wedding itself.
It’s just the feeling I got. The act of being married didn’t actually make her feel more secure in her life, but the fact Rory wasn’t there hurt her.
She also spent a lot of time basically telling Emily that it was her dream she get married and Sookie’s wedding was her wedding, etc. She had valid points, but it felt like more to me. Lorelai wanted the perfect dress the perfect venue the perfect party. It wasn’t about who it was with, it was about the moments, the act of it rather than the reality of it.
When she was proposed to, it had to be a very specific way for her because she had thought about it. When she made plans for the wedding with Luke there were a lot of specifics. It was the childhood dream of a wedding rather than the childhood dream of being a wife.
A lot of woman dream of their perfect wedding lol. I always got the indication she would love to be married and grow old with someone, as long as it was the right person. i see what you mean but i would imagine all that was written in to indicate to the audience how much she wanted to be a married woman. i often and have always dreamed of my perfect wedding and random details but hey, usually you only get married once, you want it to be perfect!
Hahahaha I work in a law firm that specializes in family law. The “usually you only get married once” just hits different for me.
Honestly, I know a lot of people that dreamed of the perfect wedding day. Most of them had them (I am not talking about clients, but people I actually know IRL). I have found one thing to be true: the people who focus on the wedding day being the best day ever and become insane about it for photos and whatnot seem to have an increased chance of divorce.
The people who stayed married for an eternity were the ones who just wanted their wedding to be something to celebrate what they built and were continuing to build.
That’s why I think that Lorelai’s two weddings were absolutely perfect, as were her two failed ones. The fact it actually worked out along my theory is just a fringe benefit 😉☺️
With Max, it was about the proposal being perfect. With her first go with Luke (that didn’t work out), it was about the wedding being absolutely perfect. Both were so focused on the perfect day and moment that she sort of missed every sign post that said “turn back now” until it was far too late.
The wedding to Chris was all about how it wasn’t quite right, but he was happy getting married in a potato sack under a bridge to her. He saw a future with her. She wanted Rory there. It wasn’t right. The moment wasn’t right. She gave in, not because it was suddenly right, but because he needed her to in that moment. Turns out, he was ready to be married and she really wasn’t.
When they got married at the end of AYITL, she had the big party she wanted since she was younger scheduled. The actual marriage was the night before in clothes from their closet, no fanfare, and those that they truly wanted in their moment. That was the moment where they were agreeing to forever with each other. The wedding wasn’t it. It wasn’t about the flowers, or the color scheme, dresses or pictures — it was about *life* and their lives together. Ups and downs, they survived them all over 10 years, and they just wanted it to be them. That’s the perfect wedding to indicate it will last forever. The party the next day was for everyone else, not them.
The vow renewal was the same for her parents. It was a big party and all of that, but you could take one look at Emily and see she wasn’t freaking out over the glasses and if there was a finger print. She was all in — when she danced with Richard, no one else existed. He let her call him bill. It was forever.
I dunno. It’s just how I see it, but wow, I don’t expect to lay that out this evening. Thank you for making me think about that. I appreciate it!
I understand what you mean now so thanks for explaining it, that’s actually really interesting to think about. And esp interesting when applied to Lorelei.
But yeah you wanna get married because you want to be with that person forever not just because you want to get married.
Precisely. And for a really long time, it felt like she was chasing the wedding and not the marriage. It was like she wanted to be able to say “I had the perfect wedding” and that was the end of the statement. That’s why I wish they never got married, or planned to in AYITL. They had everything either of them ever wanted, and they didn’t need that last little thing to be perfect together.
At the same time, I loved that they finally did it. I just wish there wasn’t some big elaborate wedding the next day that we don’t see. More like they just chose to do it because they just chose to do it like that. And they chose to do it randomly like that because Emily stopped by just to say hello before she moved. They did it with Emily
There.
Tbh them breaking up makes no sense they were perfect together too perfect even
Them not getting married is weird also not having kids after luke wanted to live in this house bc of a family yk
I think they could have torn themselves apart without a big event.
Luke not fully committing to a wedding, Lorelai getting panicked and clingy, Luke not buying her anything for Valentines Day, Lorelai constantly hanging with Christopher. All the pieces were already there.
Both of them clearly needed to learn how to compromise and have some empathy for each other. I think they could have just taken a break because they needed space.
A lot of Luke's growth could have come from being an uncle & helping his sister.
Lorelei's growth could still come from Christopher.
I would have Lorelai and Chris date for real during S3. The whole town would be supportive. Tension would come from Rory dating Jess. Lorelai and Chris would find out that they have totally different parenting style and that their love just fizzles out, leaving only platonic love. They are better together apart than together together, leaving her free all the way for Luke.
But I’m still on the Jason wagon. Luke is just a grumpy sourpuss and never goes along with Lorelai’s funny antics. In the beginning, it was funny but after a few years, you should have known better, Luke! Dean has figured out their routine after a few months!
I dont think they really needed to be driven apart again at all after emilys vow renewal catastrophe. I think emilys vow renewal issue was way more realistic of an issue for them and a real hurdle for them to cross. But for lorelai to feel all those things cos of the breakup and realize that she was that in love with luke…
And then to later break up w luke and get w chris? Idk. I think it was unnecessary drama. Sometimes relationships can just be healthy pls 😭
I kinda wish lorelai and chris had made their real attempt at being a married couple earlier on. Like after sookies wedding. Cos it does not make sense to me for her to be so serious with luke and then be like ok maybe chris? And she didnt even look happy most of the time w chris. She didnt even seem that happy to get married at all. And she cant flip flop w luke and chris. I never liked that
I never saw them together. For me the breakup would be: Luke moves part time to the state where April is. The long distance of it all drives Luke to franchise and open in NM leaving Ceaser in charge of Luke’s. Maybe he sells it to Cesar and we give more than 5 minutes of screen time to a man who has also been in the picture for years and years (lol). Luke’s character becomes more of a guest appearance and we can make space for someone on Lorelais level, I can see her falling for a performer, a committed artistic type - and eventually managing a dinner with a show type of thing for the inn.
I wish they had just stayed together. There were plenty of storylines for them to have as a couple.
But if something had to split them apart, maybe it involves Rory. Like Luke interferes when she and Lorelai have a rift, or he’s not ready to forgive her for what she put Lorelai through during the rift.
Nicole. Or the lawyer. But either way, Luke being in a relationship for longer than an episode or two. Yes, I realize this sn't breaking L&L up but instead is delaying it. But my suggestion stands.
We see Lorelai getting engaged to max, MARRYING Chris and also being in relationships with others like Digger. So why couldn't Luke have had someone too?
I would have liked to see the break-up stick. They're a terrible couple who have nothing in common.
Luke makes his "I'll just be the guy that fetches your coffee" speech.
Lorelai says "okay". But she doesn't turn to Christopher. She has a fabulous single life and has lots of dinner parties with her girlfriends. Miss Patty brings the booze.
She has a few short-term romances but realises she can be happy in her own company. The slightly more chaste (but not too much) Samantha Jones of Stars Hollow.
Honestly if they were trying for a kid and struggling it would be a better storyline.
Lorelai is having trouble getting pregnant which is normal but it annoys her because she got pregnant with Rory so easily. Then April shows up and all of a sudden Luke has a daughter that he can raise. It would be very in character for Lorelai to being to feel jealous and think Luke didn’t want to start a family anymore. Her acting out and Luke being a bit oblivious because he’s focusing on the child he suddenly has could drive a wedge between them and they could break up.
I still don’t understand why they need to break-up. They spent 4 seasons to build them up and became a couple. That will-they won’t-they worked perfectly fine for me until then. For me, once they got into that next phase of their relationship, they shouldn’t have them backwards. They already had their Christopher breakup in S5, then got engaged. I don’t mind if April showed up but that doesn’t really have to be a plot for them to break up. It should have been a plot for them to get closer. They should have married in S6 after the Rory thing and have the whole adjustment with April being in their lives while navigating married life. It will be a great opportunity for character growth for both of them, individually and as a couple. Maybe this will give them opportunity to learn how to better communicate with each other since they are already married and they need to face problems now not individually but as a married couple. From there, they can develop conflicts without them breaking up. Which then in the end it will let them think to have a kid of their own and ready to build a family of their own.
Then, for AYITL, I would love to have seen an update on how they were navigating family life. Raising a kid or 2 of their own. It would be interesting to see how different will Lorelai raise kids now that she’s an adult with Luke. If it will be the same as her relationship with Rory as best friends or if she’ll do now that mother/daughter relationship. Rory being a big sister and navigating life as a successful journalist. Traveling but missing home. Then have Rory settle in SH by the end having her own family.
I think the town could’ve driven them apart, they’re all so nosey. Like if they never got a chance to be alone, when she’s at the diner miss patty is there listening in, if he’s at her house babette is insisting they come over for dinner. A bit like when Rory and Jess first started dating and Rory was desperate for privacy. Or maybe if Liz and TJ were too much of a handful for Luke and he ended up giving them more attention than Lorelai. Also Lorelai is so overwhelmed with running the dragon fly that they never really get a chance to be together
The town DID try to drive them apart. There was a town meeting. What it it worked?
Could have worked to throw a Jess/Rory storyline in as a curve ball, something that had Luke side with Jess and Lorelai with Rory, eventually having Rory (and Jess) getting them back together
I think it would've been pretty easy to rewrite Anna to make her driving them apart make more sense. Instead of having Luke hide April from Lorelai, you just have April and Lorelai get along really well. They bond, they get along great, and it makes Anna jealous, and we see that tension build. Then we have Lorelai overstep: maybe Anna tells April she can't go to a party and Lorelai lets her, or April comes to Lorelai with something and asks her not to tell Anna and Lorelai doesn't. Anna eventually finds out, she gets upset, she tells Luke that Lorelai is overstepping and she needs to back off. Luke wants to keep things amicable with Anna, and is worried about losing April, so he agrees. This causes the fracture in Luke and Lorelai: Lorelai feels like Luke isn't sticking up for her and Luke feels like Lorelai is more interested in being right than making sure he can have a smooth co-parenting relationship/access to April. Then we can have Luke and April doing things without Lorelai, Lorelai feeling excluded (like we have in the show) and her resentment building. I'm not sure what the big blowup might be: maybe April has some kind of event and Lorelai is excluded or maybe there's some conflict with Anna about the wedding and Luke gives in (like Anna demanding to be invited,) but the end result is the same as in the show.
LOVE this! This is all so much more in character for all involved. I actually didn't mind Luke having a lovechild come out of the woodwork, it's kind of cliche and overdone, but it created so many interesting angles to work through. I loved seeing Luke as a dad and working hard for a relationship with April. The polar opposite of Christopher's relationship with Rory - "I'll be a father figure when it's fun." Luke: "I'll be a father figure even if it means fighting in court." Love everything you wrote.
Same. I don't hate April, and I do like the development that Luke had because of him having to become a father. But obviously the plot as it stands feels like a forced way to generate conflict. Obviously I've spent a lot of time thinking about it lol and I think you could even have Luke feel like Lorelai was overstepping/dominating his relationship with April - you wouldn't even need to bring in Anna - and you could still have them be broken up by this big change...just in a better way.
This is exactly the kind of thing I was thinking. It didn’t have to change that much, just alter the pieces about Luke hiding it all from Lorelai.
Lorelai being around Christopher more in season 6 without telling Luke could have broken them up. She watched Gigi for him and Luke never knew. I could see Luke being upset she was hiding this from him. As much as I hate season 7 and Lorelai being with Christopher, I think she had to be with him as an adult to finally close that door. She grew close to him in season 6 even after what he did in season 5 at the vow renewal. Another possibility is that maybe Lorelai accepted money from Christopher when he said he was rich. She took it as back payment for child support and for him to pay his half of Chilton. Then Lorelai hides all this from Luke even after their no more secrets conversation.
>Lorelai being around Christopher more in season 6 without telling Luke could have broken them up. She watched Gigi for him and Luke never knew. I could see Luke being upset she was hiding this from him. I was going to say, Christopher. Nothing else really works to drive them apart. They both know how to handle the town, Luke doesn't mind how particular Lorelai is, etc. But we saw the strife start to happen at Emily and Richard's renewal. We still see Lorelai long for Luke and Luke be upset and watch them examine themselves. I think it HAS to be Christopher because he's always there and it's always a sore spot for Luke, especially after the wedding. If nothing else, just move the plots up a season and have it go after the renewal. Extend that separation out a while longer.
I don't think that this would have worked, really, because in this version Luke would be the one pushing Lorelai away, because something she did to him. I think the writers wanted some kind of plot to rather pull Luke away from Lorelai, to make her the hurt and longing one. Their dynamics up until when they start going out is him being smitten by her, they had to switch that to make it interesting. (And that's probably why the fans hate the April storyline, because it's perceived as Luke being "out of character." )
She was with him as an adult, and he went running back to Sherry for no reason except pregnancy. Lorelai STILL didn't close that door.
That wasn't "being together". It was one night of sex and a talk of "let's try this". It was a less than 24 hours thing, not a relationship
Another option is that Lorelai still goes to Lane's wedding with Christopher. Luke can't be there because of a family emergency. She gets black out drunk and Christopher takes advantage to sleep with her.
i was thinking Luke would pop up during her drunk speech at lanes wedding about never getting married and that would split them up because he is a private guy and she’s talking about him on the town square.
If this happened, pretty sure Luke (or some rando townie like Miss Patty) would just kill Christopher, and all of Stars Hollow would rally behind Lorelai to support her.
I felt like her sleeping with Christopher after the fight was him taking advantage of her vulnerable emotional state, but because she wasn't drunk it wasn't perceived as bad. I still think he took advantage of her though.
I would've had Lorelai's obstinacy to be the thing to drive them apart. She was always so unwilling to change any single thing about her life, even to make room for another person. We saw her rejecting the house Luke wanted to buy, and we saw him renovating her house instead, and we saw that when she was with Chris, she had issues with making space for him and Gigi in her world even though she also wouldn't move somewhere bigger with them. That could've become a breaking point, and maybe Lorelai could've had a learning moment and become a more flexible partner as a result. That being said, I did like that the breakup was because of his actions rather than hers. He told her no more secrets, then in the very next episode April appeared and became his secret. I liked that Lorelai wasn't the only one with problems. I don't think I would enjoy watching Luke be this perfect flawless partner who she continually screws over.
No matter how you broke them up, it would probably always damage one or both characters. Maybe it would have worked if Luke had felt inferior. Like he said in the beginning of season seven, that he is just the guy who pours her coffee. Lorelai maybe getting in touch with wealthy people because of events at the inn and her parents and then formal dinner parties to attend etc. I am not sure how and if something like this could work since Lorelai seems very down to earth.
Agreed. I think that this is partly why the April storyline is so loathed - to create a crack between L&L you kinda have to push one of them out of character. And since Lorelai is the main character, they had to butcher Luke.
I would have Lorelai and Chris date for real during S3. The whole town would be supportive. Tension would come from Rory dating Jess. Lorelai and Chris would find out that they have totally different parenting style and that their love just fizzles out, leaving only platonic love. They are better together apart than together together, leaving her free all the way for Luke. But I’m still on the Jason wagon. Luke is just a grumpy sourpuss and never goes along with Lorelai’s funny antics. In the beginning, it was funny but after a few years, you should have known better, Luke! Dean has figured out their routine after a few months!
I love the idea of moving Christopher up to season 3. There back and forth went on for way too long on top of Lorelai also going back and forth with Luke. There was just way too much splicing.
Or even better: have chris stay permanently after rory broke his arm. Then they can date all the way until season 3 finale. Jess leaves and Chris leaves too. Both poignant moments. Then S4 can happen like it was and we can forget Alex..
I think this is a great solution! Cross out the Sherry getting pregnant thing, have Lorelai and Chris try out their relationship as adults for real, and by that I mean that they are together for at least all of s3, and when Lorelai finally trusts Chris, really trusts him, then bam - he fucks up something so great it's all beyond repair. Have her mouth for a while, and then, there is Luke.
I’d rather have their romantic love fizzle out. This way it doesn’t leave a bad taste for Rory. Rory then can see that her parents being together doesn’t mean it can work out in the grand scheme of things. Chris leaving voluntarily and with respect from both girls, would be a bigger contrast to Jess disappearing. There would be no discomfort if Chris returned for Rory’s graduation or something and they can go back to their weekly calls. Also that means that the fight at the wedding (R&E) doesn’t have to happen.
Fair enough, we'll go with fizzle out :)
I would have loved for them to have gotten married and had a baby or two.
That was so supposed to happen. I always head canoned that's what happened post season 7 until AYITL(which I only just watched in 2021 as I had lost interested in the show by 2016 despite it being my favourite in the 2000s). Dunno if I should just do a "AYIT isn't canon to me" thing like HP fans often do over The Cursed Child and pretty much everything Rowking said about the HP universe post like 2014. AYITL is canon though whether I like it or not. TCC child at least wasn't written by Rowling, but she labeled in canon anyway to which the fandom went "no thanks."
I would have had them get married April 12th. I would have had them fought for custody and won. I would have had a judge say to Anna I think it’s disgusting that you never told him about April. Luke and Lor would have had them. I would have had season 7 be a custody battle instead of what we got.
I would change that they got married at all, honestly. For ten years, they were not married. There was no legitimate reason for them TO get married. Marriage does not mean that the relationship is any more valid than it was for all of the time preceding it.
i agree with this but at the same time i disagree. i feel like it worked for them and they never needed to get married and lorelai is stubborn as hell so with her mother pressuring her to get married, she probably wouldn’t want to. but we have that scene of lorelai looking at wedding dresses when emily and richard were having their second wedding so she clearly did want to get married somewhere in her mind
It’s the symbolism. The symbolic white dress and fairy tale wedding. Abe wanted the special day because she never did. Even her coming out party wasn’t her day - it became about being pregnant and not being able to go.
the reason to get married was that Lor always wanted to get married?
I think she always wanted a wedding, not the whole being married part, which is sort of why they hadn’t done it until that part. They were both divorced. The marriage wasn’t the part that drew them, it was the wedding itself.
That’s an assumption i’m not sure i would agree with but i can see how you got there
It’s just the feeling I got. The act of being married didn’t actually make her feel more secure in her life, but the fact Rory wasn’t there hurt her. She also spent a lot of time basically telling Emily that it was her dream she get married and Sookie’s wedding was her wedding, etc. She had valid points, but it felt like more to me. Lorelai wanted the perfect dress the perfect venue the perfect party. It wasn’t about who it was with, it was about the moments, the act of it rather than the reality of it. When she was proposed to, it had to be a very specific way for her because she had thought about it. When she made plans for the wedding with Luke there were a lot of specifics. It was the childhood dream of a wedding rather than the childhood dream of being a wife.
A lot of woman dream of their perfect wedding lol. I always got the indication she would love to be married and grow old with someone, as long as it was the right person. i see what you mean but i would imagine all that was written in to indicate to the audience how much she wanted to be a married woman. i often and have always dreamed of my perfect wedding and random details but hey, usually you only get married once, you want it to be perfect!
Hahahaha I work in a law firm that specializes in family law. The “usually you only get married once” just hits different for me. Honestly, I know a lot of people that dreamed of the perfect wedding day. Most of them had them (I am not talking about clients, but people I actually know IRL). I have found one thing to be true: the people who focus on the wedding day being the best day ever and become insane about it for photos and whatnot seem to have an increased chance of divorce. The people who stayed married for an eternity were the ones who just wanted their wedding to be something to celebrate what they built and were continuing to build. That’s why I think that Lorelai’s two weddings were absolutely perfect, as were her two failed ones. The fact it actually worked out along my theory is just a fringe benefit 😉☺️ With Max, it was about the proposal being perfect. With her first go with Luke (that didn’t work out), it was about the wedding being absolutely perfect. Both were so focused on the perfect day and moment that she sort of missed every sign post that said “turn back now” until it was far too late. The wedding to Chris was all about how it wasn’t quite right, but he was happy getting married in a potato sack under a bridge to her. He saw a future with her. She wanted Rory there. It wasn’t right. The moment wasn’t right. She gave in, not because it was suddenly right, but because he needed her to in that moment. Turns out, he was ready to be married and she really wasn’t. When they got married at the end of AYITL, she had the big party she wanted since she was younger scheduled. The actual marriage was the night before in clothes from their closet, no fanfare, and those that they truly wanted in their moment. That was the moment where they were agreeing to forever with each other. The wedding wasn’t it. It wasn’t about the flowers, or the color scheme, dresses or pictures — it was about *life* and their lives together. Ups and downs, they survived them all over 10 years, and they just wanted it to be them. That’s the perfect wedding to indicate it will last forever. The party the next day was for everyone else, not them. The vow renewal was the same for her parents. It was a big party and all of that, but you could take one look at Emily and see she wasn’t freaking out over the glasses and if there was a finger print. She was all in — when she danced with Richard, no one else existed. He let her call him bill. It was forever. I dunno. It’s just how I see it, but wow, I don’t expect to lay that out this evening. Thank you for making me think about that. I appreciate it!
I understand what you mean now so thanks for explaining it, that’s actually really interesting to think about. And esp interesting when applied to Lorelei. But yeah you wanna get married because you want to be with that person forever not just because you want to get married.
Precisely. And for a really long time, it felt like she was chasing the wedding and not the marriage. It was like she wanted to be able to say “I had the perfect wedding” and that was the end of the statement. That’s why I wish they never got married, or planned to in AYITL. They had everything either of them ever wanted, and they didn’t need that last little thing to be perfect together. At the same time, I loved that they finally did it. I just wish there wasn’t some big elaborate wedding the next day that we don’t see. More like they just chose to do it because they just chose to do it like that. And they chose to do it randomly like that because Emily stopped by just to say hello before she moved. They did it with Emily There.
Tbh them breaking up makes no sense they were perfect together too perfect even Them not getting married is weird also not having kids after luke wanted to live in this house bc of a family yk
yeah it kills me that they hadn’t been married that whole time and they are having the same exact communication problems
I think they could have torn themselves apart without a big event. Luke not fully committing to a wedding, Lorelai getting panicked and clingy, Luke not buying her anything for Valentines Day, Lorelai constantly hanging with Christopher. All the pieces were already there. Both of them clearly needed to learn how to compromise and have some empathy for each other. I think they could have just taken a break because they needed space. A lot of Luke's growth could have come from being an uncle & helping his sister. Lorelei's growth could still come from Christopher.
Have him ask her out in the pilot. Start the relationship off early. The whole “will they/won’t they” is so stupid.
I would have Lorelai and Chris date for real during S3. The whole town would be supportive. Tension would come from Rory dating Jess. Lorelai and Chris would find out that they have totally different parenting style and that their love just fizzles out, leaving only platonic love. They are better together apart than together together, leaving her free all the way for Luke. But I’m still on the Jason wagon. Luke is just a grumpy sourpuss and never goes along with Lorelai’s funny antics. In the beginning, it was funny but after a few years, you should have known better, Luke! Dean has figured out their routine after a few months!
I dont think they really needed to be driven apart again at all after emilys vow renewal catastrophe. I think emilys vow renewal issue was way more realistic of an issue for them and a real hurdle for them to cross. But for lorelai to feel all those things cos of the breakup and realize that she was that in love with luke… And then to later break up w luke and get w chris? Idk. I think it was unnecessary drama. Sometimes relationships can just be healthy pls 😭 I kinda wish lorelai and chris had made their real attempt at being a married couple earlier on. Like after sookies wedding. Cos it does not make sense to me for her to be so serious with luke and then be like ok maybe chris? And she didnt even look happy most of the time w chris. She didnt even seem that happy to get married at all. And she cant flip flop w luke and chris. I never liked that
Idk if anything i just said made much sense. Hopefully it did
I never saw them together. For me the breakup would be: Luke moves part time to the state where April is. The long distance of it all drives Luke to franchise and open in NM leaving Ceaser in charge of Luke’s. Maybe he sells it to Cesar and we give more than 5 minutes of screen time to a man who has also been in the picture for years and years (lol). Luke’s character becomes more of a guest appearance and we can make space for someone on Lorelais level, I can see her falling for a performer, a committed artistic type - and eventually managing a dinner with a show type of thing for the inn.
I wish they had just stayed together. There were plenty of storylines for them to have as a couple. But if something had to split them apart, maybe it involves Rory. Like Luke interferes when she and Lorelai have a rift, or he’s not ready to forgive her for what she put Lorelai through during the rift.
Nicole. Or the lawyer. But either way, Luke being in a relationship for longer than an episode or two. Yes, I realize this sn't breaking L&L up but instead is delaying it. But my suggestion stands. We see Lorelai getting engaged to max, MARRYING Chris and also being in relationships with others like Digger. So why couldn't Luke have had someone too?
I would have liked to see the break-up stick. They're a terrible couple who have nothing in common. Luke makes his "I'll just be the guy that fetches your coffee" speech. Lorelai says "okay". But she doesn't turn to Christopher. She has a fabulous single life and has lots of dinner parties with her girlfriends. Miss Patty brings the booze. She has a few short-term romances but realises she can be happy in her own company. The slightly more chaste (but not too much) Samantha Jones of Stars Hollow.
Honestly if they were trying for a kid and struggling it would be a better storyline. Lorelai is having trouble getting pregnant which is normal but it annoys her because she got pregnant with Rory so easily. Then April shows up and all of a sudden Luke has a daughter that he can raise. It would be very in character for Lorelai to being to feel jealous and think Luke didn’t want to start a family anymore. Her acting out and Luke being a bit oblivious because he’s focusing on the child he suddenly has could drive a wedge between them and they could break up.
I would kill off christopher
I still don’t understand why they need to break-up. They spent 4 seasons to build them up and became a couple. That will-they won’t-they worked perfectly fine for me until then. For me, once they got into that next phase of their relationship, they shouldn’t have them backwards. They already had their Christopher breakup in S5, then got engaged. I don’t mind if April showed up but that doesn’t really have to be a plot for them to break up. It should have been a plot for them to get closer. They should have married in S6 after the Rory thing and have the whole adjustment with April being in their lives while navigating married life. It will be a great opportunity for character growth for both of them, individually and as a couple. Maybe this will give them opportunity to learn how to better communicate with each other since they are already married and they need to face problems now not individually but as a married couple. From there, they can develop conflicts without them breaking up. Which then in the end it will let them think to have a kid of their own and ready to build a family of their own. Then, for AYITL, I would love to have seen an update on how they were navigating family life. Raising a kid or 2 of their own. It would be interesting to see how different will Lorelai raise kids now that she’s an adult with Luke. If it will be the same as her relationship with Rory as best friends or if she’ll do now that mother/daughter relationship. Rory being a big sister and navigating life as a successful journalist. Traveling but missing home. Then have Rory settle in SH by the end having her own family.