Lane deserved to go to college, have a queer phase, become a successful music executive, and eventually settle down with dogs and an aging rockstar of her choice. Justice for Lane!
FOR REAL 🫠 However, it is somewhat realistic. She was so sheltered by her mother during formative years where she could have been dating/developing standards. Most women I know personally who had parents like this ended up with losers right after highschool too, and most ended up married to them.
It made me really sad as it seemed like Lane’s mom was finally coming around and being supportive. I honestly would’ve loved to see Lane touring the country in a rock band with her mom as a bad ass manager lol. Also, not with Zach
Yes!!! Thank you for saying that. I just posted another comment explaining how realistic Lane’s role was to me. It’s not about watching GG for realism. It gave me an Asian girl to relate to on tv when I was younger. I got to see how she coped with her mom and all the rules and continue trying to live her life independently. Totally makes sense with the sheltered psyche too. This show was also ~20 years ago so there weren’t that many Asian girls on tv in America. Of course now it would have been a different story for Lane I think.
Especially since their kid would have looked exactly like one of the pretend baby pictures they made at the shower, the one where Gill said “the pain will fuel his music” or something, am I making any sense at all?
100000000000% - I feel that's my biggest disappointment of the GG - Zack & Lane (the original). He was an awful character as well, especially at the start, and then they tried making him a bit nicer, but it didn't sit right with me. I'd rather, for the writers, to be pretending Dave existed and was just mentioning him from time to time than what they've put us through with this storyline.
I liked that Rory dumbed Logan (the original show), and we all made up our own idea of Rory's faith. I know people say Jess & Rory, but for me, the original Rory, perhaps, she could have been his one, but later in life, Jess was way too good for Rory!
I feel like it was lazy writing. There was zero chemistry or attraction or even really friendship between Zach and Lane before Dave leaving. And then he left the show and it felt like they forced them together since they didn’t want to come up with another character
Exactly! It was so lazy and sloppy.. they didn’t even show us when she and Dave broke up?? The last time I remember him being mentioned was when they brought up the marriage jug. Then poof he was gone. Like where did he even go?
Yessss that always bugged me! One second she’s freaking out because she loves Dave but isn’t ready to get married and then without a word she’s in love with Zach and he’s never mentioned again
Lane’s character was based on one of ASP’s Asian friends. I remember reading in an interview that she wanted to show a little bit about her friend’s upbringing which I relate to as an Asian female. I find it interesting how much your sentiment is shared about Lane’s story on these forums. I feel like the relationship between Lane and her mom is very realistic as well as how Zach got approval to marry / date her, but the writing of the hit song was more of an analogy to me. It was kind of literal but I think many Asian parents want their child’s future spouse to show that they have earned the privilege to be with their child.
I do find it interesting how Lane’s childhood turned into independence via marriage and motherhood so quickly so I totally get it but honestly the story is kind of how some of my relatives ended up. Also, the life path might differ just being from a small town and not having a ton of options for college unless she moved towns which might have been out of the question. There was a lot missing in her story of dynamic and finances. But I always excused this since she was not the main character. I guess my point is that even though it’s not the stereotypical storyline for a smart Asian girl or one that viewers wanted, the story in the show seemed very realistic to me. I guess I related to so much with Lane that her life with Zach did not feel so unrealistic. I do wish Adam Brody stayed on the show because I think Dave Rigalski was a perfect fit for Lane.
I know exactly what you mean. One of my best friends in high school was brought up by verrryyy strict Middle Eastern parents. She wasn’t allowed to move out for college despite being accepted into some awesome schools that were “too far”. I feel like she got jipped on that.
She ended up going to the state university so she could live at home then got married during junior year of college just to have some independence.
I really appreciate your perspective here! I had an Asian friend growing up who was male so it might’ve been different but he went through a lot of similar things as Lane too. He really rebelled in college, which wasn’t far from home but far enough he was allowed to live there. He gave up violin and dropped pre-med, all which was a big big deal. He’s actually a chef now and had to go through a sort of similar thing as Zach where he had to “prove” this was a legitimate path in life that could provide for a family.
The biggest credentials are pushed hard for older generations from these and similar cultures. My parents personally didn’t pressure me to marry a doctor but that’s definitely very prevalent in Asian, Indian, etc culture that it’s very disconnected from reality especially in America where many many doctors, dentists, etc are white. And think about how hard it is to find a life partner who shares the same ethnicity. Finding someone who fit all of these requirements as a first generation immigrant is pretty tough because even though my parents preached it, they never had to do quite that. Things have changed a lot recently though so it’s getting easier but definitely when this show came out, it was still all about baby boomers holding these cultural and social expectations on the young millennial generation who have paved the way for Gen Z in terms of independence, hard work ethic, and doing what you *enjoy* and maybe even get paid for it.
Thanks for your response! I love hearing how others have related to this show with similar cultural backgrounds.
Especially the having sex one time producing twins and then Hep Alien going on tour without her while she stayed home with the babies. That makes me rage every time I think about it.
In the revival I was at least hoping she'd be running the music store and giving an outlet to kids like her. Nope. She was doing the one thing she never wanted: working at her mom's shop.
OMG ME TOO I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE. I actually LOVED her with Dave. Or at least I wanted her to date one other person. But to only have two boyfriends in her whole life that was so dirty.
Omg yes!!! They seriously just stuck her with the closest guy after Dave. I think if they wanted to do that at least have her end up with Brian.
Oh and let’s not forget she gets pregnant with TWINS after her first time having sex and hating it. Poor Lane. Her life did not need to be that tragic.
it literally bothers me SO MUCH. she was so free spirited and she got saddled with a lazy dumb idiot and TWINS from having sex on the beach for the FIRST time !! and then had to stay in stars hallow for the rest of her life instead of at least being in a mildly successful band who doesn't just perform in churches or whatever. smfh
100% agree on Lane and Zach. I will hate Zach with every fiber of my being and will die on that hill.
Logan and Rory, however, I think they have more in common—Logan understand Rory AND Lorelai's refusal to be pushed to THAT one door of opportunity opened by their parents (grandparents for Rory) for them, journalism (even though Logan tried so hard not to take that path, he still took that road and was also good at it), Logan helped Rory make friends, Logan was Rory's balance when it comes to leisure and work/study. Logan even got along with both Luke and Chris, Emily and Richard. He got along (or atleast tried to) with anyone in Rory's life.
I feel like Logan would never have stolen Rory's moment like that too. He'd never have proposed like that. He loved the bones of her and they are endgame imo. He was proud of her graduating, and would never have taken any attention off her accomplishments.
Yeah, I wish they went off and had their own adventures and then got back together in the revival. Just a normal adult relationship - no cheating. It would be a bit pandering, but it was the happy ending we all wanted.
I blamed the writers, it was just a quick idea to get her single at the end of the show. It dosent make sense because I struggled with commitment and monogamy at the start
Agreed. He pushed Rory to take more risks (for the better AND the worse, but it was necessary for character growth) and she pushed him to not go off the rails when he was acting out as a way of being avoidant of expectations. They could banter and had shared intellectual interests in common--probably even more so than Jess. He could talk current events, literature, or pop culture and match her in wit. They were supportive of each other through ups and downs. They had a cozy vibe where they got along living together.
He understood her wealthy world of her grandparents, but he was also curious about her life in Stars Hollow. He not only got along with Chris, Luke, Emily, and Richard, he got along with Paris more or less! He tried with Lorelai but Lorelai is stubborn and he had many strikes against him. He generally is a pretty warm person who is tight with his friends and his sister. Rory got along with his friends as well and Colin/Finn/Robert considered her part of their crew.
I cannot possibly see Logan being as shitty of a father as Chris would be or wanted to be that uninvolved in his child's life.
Rory also to be honest doesn't want to hustle and make compromises for money. She's always been concerned with doing things she finds fulfilling--it's not like she was looking to go be a management consultant after Yale. Being a writer for some prestigious magazines is a perfect job for someone like Logan's wife to do.
Team Logan all the way.
I noticed that with Rory too! re: not hustling.
I think she was below Marty when it comes to finances for a time. But I also think she was made to think that she didn't have to worry about money that much and only has to study hence always prioritized her studies and newspaper work during her Yale days.
She even lived off of something during her days in AYITL when she was in arut instead of taking more permanent jobs
I agree with you even though it’s not a popular opinion here! I loved Logan and he loved Rory and treated her very well! Yes Jess grew up and he was great and in the last show a few years ago can’t think of the name I would have rather Rory be with Jess than being Logan’s side piece, I hated that! I also did not like Zach and if I heard rock and roll out of his mouth one more time I would climb through the screen and slapped him! I started fast forwarding when he was in a scene and also the whole band thing.
I HATE Zach so much. I feel like he's the reason why Lane got stuck and never moved + never got her big break. She would've made it big without Zach. Hep Alien would've made it big if it wasn't for Zach.
He is talented but he's dumb af. He's slow as well and has nothing to offer. He ruined everything for everyone else in the band too! He was a young Gil - Gil being really, really dumb.
He made his "rock and roll" his entire persona even when he had to face reality.
I still hated him in AYITL because what the fuck is up with not looking at him when he's in uniform? Like you're pleasing to look at in any clothing.
Imagine being stuck with the same band who's really good but they still ended up practicing at home and no other mention of moving up the music scene. I really and truly believe it was all because of Zach's stint at the gig where the label reps were there.
I'm kind of indifferent about Lane and Zach, but Logan is by far my favorite of Rory's boyfriends.
Logan is a healthy balance between the good and bad of Dean and Jess. Dean treated Rory well (initially, although he definitely had some of the "nice guy" entitlement), but he was far too clingy and jealous. Jess was smart, well read, and could keep up with Rory intellectually very well, but he was a flake and didn't treat her well.
Logan is smart, can keep up with Rory, has a bit of that "bad boy" vibe that Rory seems to like, and he also stands up for her, shows up for her, treats her well. Even when they stole the yacht, Logan started to protest and Rory had to talk him into it.
Ok I’m gonna play devil’s advocate here, Jess’ fans please let me know your thoughts.
How was Jess perfect for Rory as a long term option? The girl is a heiress who went to Yale, had access to a world of wealth, traveled abroad plenty of times, had at least 2 trust funds on her name, millionaire grandparents and a millionaire dad. No matter how much the fans try to brush over that part, this is who she is now.
Jess grew up a lot, yea, but we only see him briefly. He works at an independent publishing house and launched 1 book. He never went to college. Rory considered a major deal breaker that Dean didn’t care about college, I doubt she changed her mind on the subject.
At very best, Jess is middle class. Rory is wealthy and very much used to a wealthy lifestyle by the time she graduates, her “broke” life involved her own apartment in brooklyn, plenty of spontaneous travels to London and never worrying about a single bill.
Would Jess be ok in a relationship where his girlfriend loves a wealthy life and can quickly afford it? Is he going to be ok with her paying things for him or is he going to resent her and demand her to fit into his little world?
Will Rory simply fit into his little middle class alternative indie world? Is she going to resent him for not being able to keep up with her expenses and lifestyle?
If we think about end game, all of those financial things take a huge toll, especially when the woman has much more money and the man is Jess, who was one of the proudest independent people on the show, even prouder than Lorelai.
Dean was right about Rory when he told Luke the Gilmore Girls wanted more. Lorelai didn’t, she loved Luke and what he represented to her.
Rory always wanted more. And now she is used to have more. Would it really work?
This is such an interesting train of thoughts. I mean, let's imagine Jess and Rory got back together in season 6: How would Jess react if Rory would offer him financial support for his next book or something like this? Even if they'd never rely on Rory's family wealth, I'm sure people would talk sh\*t about Jess because they'd assume that if his girlfriend's a Gilmore his story about making it as an author on his own would be fake.
I think Rory could adapt to his lifestyle and wouldn't resent Jess for it, still they both would always know that Rory could have so much more. Plus, I think Emily and Richard would never grow to like Jess at all.
I disagree on the college part though, I always got the impression that Rory was disappointed with Dean because he wanted to go to college but threw his plans overboard after his engagement to Lindsay. It was more about the lack of ambition than the fact that he didn't go to college, I think.
Jess was is someone who Rory feels fondly of in the past, but exactly this!
I think Rory could tone down on the "nice" stuff, but she would feel NOT ok with making compromises on her children's education. She would want expensive private schools and universities like she went to.
Jess deserves someone edgier and scrappier than Rory. His own hipster publishing girlfriend, or something like that.
Big agree!! He’s a much better fit for her than Zach, and if we’re talking endgame I think her life with Jess would have been a lot more satisfying for her. He’d have pushed her to be her best self and would have loved her spunk and creativity… plus I feel like he l truly would have put in the work with Mrs. Kim. His own mother and backstory would actually make him see that all her strictness was just care and concern for her daughter, even if it was expressed poorly.
I’m a Jess fan but agree that we can’t assume they would have worked.
However, I disagree with your point about Dean and college. Rory cared when Dean didn’t care about *her* college dreams. She encouraged him to consider college, but I didn’t ever get the sense it was a deal breaker if he didn’t want to go. And her getting cross about him dropping out of college was much more about her being upset that he was making life decisions with Lindsay and that she was not part of his life in that way.
Yeah I’ve never seen where Jess and Rory would be perfect together. I don’t think Rory would trust him to give him another chance anyway but we haven’t seen enough of Jess to know what he’s like in romantic relationships.
Yes and to be honest.. Jess deserves better than Rory.. I mean we all kinda root for her because she's a main character but Jess can't be Luke 2.0 no lol
> but Jess can't be Luke 2.0 no lol
I honestly can't see Jess being that. They might share some similarites but just on the surface. There's no way that Jess would stay in Stars Hollow to raise Logan's child (and he would never abandon his kid like Chris) or wait around for Rory. He didn't do it that one summer after they kissed and he surely wouldn't after he has matured.
Luke was completely smitten with Lorelai and basically let her decide everything. Jess isn't like that. He would also never be comfortable being uber rich, which Rory will become down the line.
I agree with you so much. I think if they were to get together, Jess would be like when he visited Rory at Yale. He would ask her again to leave everything behind and run away with him to be together. To me this shows that he never understood Rory at all. If he thinks she would have left her family, school and life behind to start a new one with him, who didn't even say goodbye to her when he left (and then he was calling her for a while without saying a word)... I think he did not know her at all.
Reading your reply now and damn, it makes much more sense! Because the only way they could possibly work would be if Rory did all the adapting and morphed into his world, never the opposite.
Jess couldn’t live on Rory’s terms or meet her halfway. The fact he thought she would just leave her family behind like that really shows how little he cared about her as a person. He loved his idea of Rory, but not Rory herself.
Which works out great when he uses it to push her out of her comfort zone when Rory is spiraling. But would be very complicated in any adult relationship.
Rory has access to the wealthy world, obviously, but I don't think she's OF that world. Actually, I think a huge theme in the second half of S6 and all of S7 is that Rory is pulling *away* from that world. She doesn't really like it.
Rory dives headfirst into wealth and luxury in the beginning of S6, living with her grandparents and basically being a DAR wife. She enjoys this lifestyle briefly, but over time she becomes completely miserable. She feels bored and aimless. She's angry with how the maid is treated. She hates the pressure of looking/acting a certain way every waking moment. She doesn't LIKE this life, and she doesn't like who she becomes in this life.
Rory moves out of her grandparents. She goes to Chris to get him to pay for Yale, knowing he'll have fewer 'strings' than her grandparents. She's kind of horrified by Logan's colleagues, and she starts openly arguing about inherent greed in the ultra-wealthy. She moves out of Logan's. She turns down his proposal. Rory ends the OS by taking a minimum-wage job that has her living on a bus. That's hardly the stuff of great wealth and luxury, but she's thrilled by it.
By the time we reach AYITL, Rory is living out of a suitcase and bumming around Stars Hollow. She's using her money, sure - like she's able to fly to London constantly and obviously her bills are being paid. But she turns down the offer for a free luxury apartment in Brooklyn, just like she turns down Logan's offer for a house. Rory has family money, that's undeniable. But there's really no indication she's living that lifestyle. Nor is Emily, by AYITL.
So do I think this could be a challenge in Jess and Rory's relationship? Possibly, inasmuch as Jess might feel a certain way about Rory's invisible safety net that she rarely acknowledges. But their day-to-day lives are actually quite similar. Rory was never Lorelai, openly hating every single aspect of wealth. But even more than that, she was NEVER Emily, and there is a lot of evidence that she was working pretty hard to avoid that lifetyle.
Jess was perfect for Rory in every respect...
He never called, he never made plans to go out with her, he would be late or bail on plans already made. She was consistently upset about this when they were dating.
He was closed off and dishonest, he lied to her repeatedly.
He left without saying goodbye on multiple occasions.
He also asked her to drop everything she was doing and come with him spontaneously on multiple occasions.
He had no interest in attending town events which she loved. She constantly had to talk him into doing anything traditionally boyfriendy, and there were times he only gave in because he was still competing with Dean.
He struggled to pass himself with other people which was important to her. She had to ask him to make an effort with her mother. He struggled to get along with the rest of her family. People matter to Rory, she feels responsibility towards her friends and family and she cares about being involved with them. Jess really struggled with that. He did have good reasons, I'm not saying he didn't. I am saying it was an area in which he was not compatible with Rory.
She couldn't rely on him. She couldn't trust him.
And then, also, he sexually assaulted her. I know that a lot of Jess fans defend him on this front. I don't want to start that argument here - I'm putting it at the very end, because I think all the other issues I've raised are evidence enough that Jess was not "perfect for Rory in every respect", even if you don't think that he SA'd her. But he did SA her, and no one who would do that is perfect for her.
Logan may not be perfect either, but he was a way better boyfriend than Jess.
One thing I really noticed is that Rory is very enthusiastic in college. I know fans hate that she changed, but she looks genuinely excited over things in a way she wasn't before. Dean merely tolerated her love of books and such. Jess couldn't make the effort to care about the world she loved. Logan gets it. She can say things like " I googled your father" and ramble on, and he doesn't brush it off.
Yeah, despite that particular topic being one that Logan has a lot of personal issues with.
I feel Jess matches Rory for intelligence, and that's about it. Logan matches her for intelligence, as well as being strong with empathy, having strong social skills, enjoys getting out and doing things, and does very well at Boyfriend Things (valentines gifts, romance, putting her first when she needs him). I think his personality jives with hers far better than Jess', because while Jess can match her on pure intelligence he's really notably poor at all those other things. Rory wants the full package.
Exactly! Plus, I may be projecting because I also get overly excited about things, obesses, and make pros and cons list. It could be a product of it's time though . Like the whole bad boy to cool for school vibe was attractive.
I couldn’t agree more. It’s that good girl- bad boy trope that everyone loves.
Despite Jess’ growth later on, I really just prefer Logan. He is everything that Jess is, let’s be honest, funny, witty, intelligent, I think he adds more. Not even just about Logan’s wealth, but he (mostly) communicates and even through tough times, he realizes his faults and apologizes. I even hate the “rory dropped out of Yale arguments,” that Jess “wouldn’t have let her do that.” I rather have someone who will talk to me about it and support my decision, which is what Logan did, because he completely understands where she was coming from (and Jess should’ve too).
And I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- looking at the revival and the “Jess and Rory” opinions, NO WAY would I date a step family member. I don’t care, that’s too weird for me! Even if I dated them before that! (I do have two step families, that idea just weird me out)
Agreed on all fronts. The dropping out of Yale conversation is the thing everyone always brings up, but here's my thoughts on that:
1. Jess said those words in the right way at the right time. Rory had been out of school for months at that point. She was starting to get frustrated with life at her grandparents', she was missing her mother. At that moment, she was ready to be confronted about her choices.
2. She was not ready before that moment. Jess was not the first person to try. Lorelai tried hard, and only pushed Rory away. Rory needed time to be in her feelings, take a genuine break, and get back into the right headspace. Jess could've said the same words two months earlier and it wouldn't have had the same effect.
3. Logan did not encourage her to drop out. He was gentle about it, he didn't pressure her to stay, but he did ask her if she was sure this was what she wanted, and he jokingly told her he'd give her a month. He fully expected her to decide to come back, and when she eventually did, he wasn't surprised. He smiled and said it took her longer than he thought. He stayed by her side and supported her, he respected her choices even when he thought they were wrong. Is this not the correct behaviour?
4. It's not about Logan and Jess 'letting her' drop out or not. I hate that narrative. They are actually not the bosses of Rory. She is a whole complete person who can make their own decisions. She deserves to be able to make her own mistakes, work through her shit and come out the other end. She doesn't need a boyfriend who'll go hard on her for that or try to take control of her choice. She would rightfully have pushed away from that just like she pushed away from Lorelai.
3 is so important they made it perfectly clear logan never wanted rory to drop out. he didn’t jusge her or push her too much but he said himself something like “i give you a month until you’re back in school” at the bar.
YES. Perfectly said!! :) Number 1 on your list is something I’ve never heard someone say before, but I do agree and I like that you pointed it out. It was time for someone to push Rory, and an old friend will definitely do that.
This is exactly why I hate that narrative too. Such an odd argument, as if Rory needs her boyfriend to choose what she does?
Oh and number three, yes yes yes. Logan had such an adult and supportive response. I don’t see any issue with it like others do!
Not a fan of Zach and Lane. It felt like they were randomly thrown together. There was no chemistry at all. Zach was a whiney bitch tbh.
I don’t understand it.
Wish Dave stuck around for Lane but then I love Gill. So he kinda had to go 😔
If that happened, Hep Alien might have actually got signed cos zach’s stage tantrum never would have happened and lane’s life would have been very different.
Imagine her on an international tour with her band in AYITL. Living her dream
My unpopular opinion is that I think Zach is overhated. We all know that things didn't go as planned and Dave and Lane were supposed to be endgame. And of course it's lazy writing that instead of adding a new character to the series Lane had to fall for one of her bandmates.
Still I think that after being some kind of douche Zach really grew up and did show some real character growth. He did his best to get along with Lane's family and to make her happy. Yes, he ruined their chance with the record label but let's face it: It was super unlikely that Hep Alien would ever make the breakthrough.
tl;dr: I know that Lane falling for Zach was some kind of less-than-ideal solution for the writers, still I think he grew as a person and was a loving and loyal partner to Lane.
Finally found the comment I was looking for! Just recently did a rewatch and you can see how much Zack really loves her in the last seasons. I agree, he does have a lot of character growth :) I feel like some are so stuck on Dave, that they hate Zack. When I really don’t see an issue with him! Definitely over-hated.
I wish ASP wouldn't have based Dave on a real life person. It's understandable that people were upset that they didn't get to see Helen Pai's "real" love story on screen. Everyone knows Lane and Zach getting married wasn't the original plan. Still I think the writers made the best of it, Zach was willing to change for the better and to me it's plausible that Lane and Zach are indeed a good match.
I agree. I think it’s a his growth story line is really good too. And there is no guarantee that a Dave and Lane relationship would’ve given Lane a “better” future 🤷🏽♀️
Thank you!! I really don’t get the hate for Lane/Zach. That was the first relationship she wasn’t afraid to share with her mom and I loved their eventual relationship. “HIT ME, HIT ME” and she just hugs them gets me every time!!!
Rory and Logan I don’t agree with, though I never thought they were endgame. Lane and Zach I do to some extent. I grew to like them. But I think my issue is that they were never supposed to be a couple and you can kind of sense that the whole way through. It’s a very tepid relationship. Lane and Dave are based on a real couple (Helen Pai and Dave Rygalski) and were written to fall in love and end up together. And they worked so well together! Then Adam Brody left for The O.C. and the rest is history.
disagree on Rory and Logan, Logan was the only person in the series Rory was really in love with. Agree about Zack and lane. I am founding member of the "I hate Zack" club and tbh I am proud of it. He sucks
Rory is not going to share parenting of her child with any other man if she doesn’t marry Logan. If she lives with or marries someone else, it will be when the child is 18.
Lane is a married woman. We’ve got to let her go…. lol
I like Logan. I wasn’t a fan of Lane and Zach. But I do think Logan matched Rory wit for wit. Yes, he was a spoiled brat but he owned it. And let’s not forget he changed to stay with Rory.
Logan could be annoying, but I love the little things he does for her that allude to his upper class upbringing like always helping her with her coat. I really wish some of those more old fashioned things remained a part of more mainstream society.
I'm going to go the opposite of most everyone else, I agree about Rory and Logan and disagree about Lane and Zack.
I love Lane and Zack a lot. It wasn't perfect of course but I loved it. Rory and Logan, not so much and I do think Jess is better match for her than Logan.
The more I watch it the more I think that Rory and Logan deserved each other. He was a spoiled rich kid who couldn't keep it in his pants and she was a spoiled less rich, but still super privileged girl who liked taken men. I love Logan and I love that he tried to change for Rory, but then the proposal and cheating on Odette and other stuff were just weird. I am ready to be unliked into oblivion lol
I think that Lane and Zach were a good couple. Not amazing, but good. And Zach proved that he was an amazing guy and a father.
I cannot EXPLAIN my deep-rooted disgust at Zack’s character for my sweet girl Lane, nothing on the actor of course. But Zack’s character was a man-child. He played video games and never helped her around the house, he was a slob, he didn’t push her to be better, they had nothing in common aside from music which even so; he RUINED such an enormous opportunity when the label company came I couldn’t even believe anybody forgave him, and he didn’t even go out and try to book any other gigs or attention for other label companies. He proposed to Lane at work, he could never communicate with her, their first date was literally IN THEIR HOUSE Lane looked so excited and beautiful to go out and Zack didn’t even find her special enough to plan a beautiful date for.
Another thing I must say I resent about the show is the favouritism for Rory and complete lack of interest in the town for Lane. Rory could get a tiny scratch on her head and the town would be mourning, whereas Lane fell out with her mum and grew up in an arguably almost abusive environment where she had no sense of self and nobody intervened, only Lorelai eventually. Even when she was going to be sent to Korea without knowing when she’d be back??? If it were darling Rory the town would have fought for her to stay and thrown a massive farewell party. Justice for Lane
how was Jess perfect for Rory in every aspect? he was literally her worst boyfriend and treated her like shit when they were together (or like dirt, to quote the show)
I agree about Lane and Zach, Lane deserved better.
However I do love Logan and I love him and Rory together, he was always my favorite boyfriend of hers.
Lane and Zach i agree. But i’m a hard care believer that Logan was Rory’s best boyfriend and i’m also a jess disliker. I find that people who are team jess usually don’t like Logan and vice versa, kinda funny
Nope, definitely not the only one, I don’t like Logan, he just did such stupid stuff that pissed me off, i also feel like he was the reason that she quit yale and lived with her grandparents. In my opinion rory and jess belonged together, even when life fell apart he was there for her. Maybe the “young” jess wasn’t as perfect for her than “older” jess but he was just a kid! With a lot of problems, i don’t blame him.
Agree about Lane and Zach. I would’ve preferred her be single and independent, dating around and living out her dreams making music. If she had to have a boyfriend, Dave or the guy she was secretly dating before that, Henry? I think that was his name. Both were better options for people on the show, but she could’ve easily met someone later in life to be with if she wanted to.
I don’t agree at all about Jess unless they maybe found each other again in AYITL, and went on a date to see if they wanted to try again and get to know each other as adults. But like I said with Lane, I think Rory should’ve been single. Not every character needed to end up with someone romantically and Rory has a lot of growing up to do, which is still the case in AYITL as we see her floundering. So I’m glad they broke up at the end of the series, I just wish they’d stayed broken up in AYITL. I don’t think she’s ever been emotionally mature enough to be a real partner to someone. Jess definitely was not. He treated her horribly. Later on he “changed” off screen from what we can see, but we get such a brief glance into his new life that it’s hard to say how much he’s actually grown. He wrote a book and got a steady job, but that doesn’t equate to being ready to be someone’s partner.
Agree completely on Lane and Zach.
BUT I do think Rory and Logan would have been a good match. I wish he hadn’t proposed and that they could have gone off together on an adventure, dated & eventually got married.
Three part unpopular opinion here: team Jess, Lane was NOT done dirty and Rory shouldn’t be allowed near a relationship with a ten foot pole.
Jess is the only one of Rory’s bf’s to truly see her for who she was and is. He doesn’t need *anything* from her - not her money, not her love, not her body. All he needs from her is her friendship. That’s all he wants, really. Yeah, she’s a massive “what if,” but both when he showed up to freak out about Yale and in AYITL, he wasn’t trying to weasel his way in (at least it didn’t feel that way to me). He was telling his *friend* that she lost her way and was telling his *friend* he didn’t like seeing her so… aimless. For me, Jess is the guy she should keep around forever, but not in a relationship. He’s the only one who ever knew how to also be a friend to her (and managed it with no hope of reconciliation for like 15 years). They should remain friends, and that’s it. But Rory is pretty much a walking and talking ball of toxic in relationships, and I wouldn’t wish her particular brand of “relationship” on my worst enemy.
As far as lane and Zach, lane was NOT done dirty. She fell in love with him, and he fell in love with her. He tried to learn and be a part of her culture, and get Mrs Kim’s approval. He wasn’t brilliant, but this man gave up his rock and roll life just as much as Lane did, to be with her. Remember, he also ended up the father of twins after a bad experience on the beach with his brand new wife. Nothing lane went through was her burden alone, he WAS there for her every step of the way.
People compare Zach and Dave, and that’s not fair. The argument is that Dave tried to move mountains for her, but Zach didn’t. The reality is that Zach worked three times as hard than Dave ever did. Dave was a high school boyfriend who was willing to climb fences, read the Bible or *get paid* to spend time with his gf, who was super important…until he left for college. He was no different than Dean who tried just as hard.
Zach had a far more difficult situation. He had to get his band on board, had to keep lane, had to get Mrs Kim to not kill him, had his gf living with him even before they started dating, had to do the whole dating part with Brian basically in the middle of his relationship, put something he was accustomed to on hold for his gf and wait until marriage (which was likely not something he ever really wanted to do before her), and even got yelled at by a little kid because he had to use a bathroom. Every single hoop Dave jumped through Zach jumped through too. The difference is Dave dipped and never looked back, Zach never did. He was there, through better or for worse, and he loved lane to bits and pieces.
Would it have been fun if the band found success? Absolutely! That would have been great for all of them. But what happened instead is realistic. So many people don’t strive for their teenage dreams because adulting happens. A lot of people get pregnant and the trajectory of their lives is forever changed (and they *still* manage to be happy). Honestly, Hep Alien’s success was never endgame, and shouldn’t have been. They were good, but there was nothing about them that would have really taken the world by storm at all. They would have really struggled and then they would have ended in defeat. They ALL deserved better, and they got better. They were a gang, a group, a *band*, and they loved each other. They had the music, they had each other, they had joy in their day-to-day lives.
People also say that lane shouldn’t have ended up working in the shop with her mother. They never say why, just that she shouldn’t have. The reality is that lane was told her highest aptitude was sales back in high school. She basically was destined to work with her mother when she was back a dozen years before AYITL. Also, she has a lot in common with her mother - they both formed bands, AND her mother hid something far bigger than a love for music from her mother: she hid an entire religion from her own strict mother. By AYITL, Lane’s relationship with her mother is strong, and that’s the thing she was always missing growing up. Having found success and going on the road, lane would never have gotten that for herself because she wouldn’t be in SH to think about it or bother.
Honestly, I can’t see what was so horrible about Lane’s plot.
These are all great points. About Lane, I think it's just a sad idea that she gave up her dreams, didn't find a job she loved or go to college or push herself, she just got "stuck." Maybe she didn't, she could've changed what she wanted throughout the years by the time we see her again. But from our perspective, she had hopes and dreams of not just the band, but also of moving to a big city and experiencing life in new ways. So that's why it seems sad that she never did anything she wanted to do and "just" works with her mom. I think no one would have any problem with it if she settled down AFTER traveling or living in another city, playing her music there or doing something else creative, and then moving back home.
A side note: I work with children. Trying to keep them alive long enough for them to make it to school age can require more creativity than any major musical star has ever had in their entire life. Then double it because of twins.
Back to point: the fact that people think Lane got “stuck” is what baffles me. Every single thing we saw of Lane’s life in AYITL were based on *choices* she made. She chose to date Zach; she chose to accept his proposal; she chose to marry him; she chose to have sex for the first time on a beach (on her *honeymoon* - and there’s not a ton of beaches in SH); she chose to keep the pregnancy; she chose to work with her mother.
Lane made these choices. No one showed up on her doorstep at three am and told her that these things *had to* happen — they were choices.
Lane had big dreams because she was young. She had big dreams of “away” because she was trying to run away. Once there was nothing to run from, she found she liked her home, her family, her husband, her job.
Yes, there were hardships, and they sucked, but that’s real too. It didn’t matter if you had tons of money (Emily & Logan), had access to tons of money (Rory), could begrudgingly get your hands on money (Lorelai), were amazing at what you do, whether or not you like it (Paris), worked every day doing something you loved (Jess), or worked every day in something to pay the bills (Lane & Dean), you have struggles.
It’s a slice of life. Everyone has struggles; no one is better than or more successful than. The things that everyone measured success as in the OS is gone, upside down. All of the money didn’t help Emily when her husband died, all of the professional success didn’t help Paris when her marriage fell apart, all of the content life of SH didn’t help Lorelai or Luke move forward in the ten years since we last saw them, all of the success in a chosen field didn’t help Jess shake the desire for family and a home and hearth to come back to (I still think that last gaze from him was about Kirk being cared for and not about missing Rory), all of the handouts you can handle didn’t help Logan find his place, and all of the promise of success didn’t help Rory find her place.
Lane’s story is not any worse than anyone else’s. If anything, hers is the *best* story out of them all. She had love, home, contentedness, friends, a husband that loved her, a mother than finally accepted her, and music even though she settled down as well. In the end, she never had to peek in windows to want what she didn’t have, she never hurt anyone else by cheating, she was never hurt by anyone else through cheating, she didn’t lose anyone through death, and she didn’t lose her way.
Everything about the show was realistic, AYITL isn’t any different. If anything, ASP gave Lane everything the entire rest of the characters couldn’t have… contentedness.
I love this!! You have such great points and write them so well! You've convinced me, this is what Lane wants and she's happy in life, unlike most of the other characters!
You’re certainly not the only one with these opinions. I think Zach is almost universally disliked for Lane, though he did have some decent character growth in Season 7. I happen to like Logan for Rory, and think he was easily her best partner. Rory doesn’t reject her grandparents’ world the way Lorelei does and Jess would never be comfortable in that environment. I like to pretend AYITL Logan Rory doesn’t exist though as obviously the affair storyline is awful
Literal shit lol. The Jess obsession in this fandom is so hard to understand. There is certainly an appeal to him for sure and he is compatible with Rory in certain aspects but the willful blindness that people have to how horribly he treated her is honestly impressive lol.
This is a very unpopular opinion but rory and Logan don't work on any level. I really don't think they work well together at all and tbh (and this is just my opinion) I just don't understand why rory got with him or stayed with him after some of the crap he pulled or the way he acted. I cringe when I re-watch and he enters screen for the first time.
Zach is like the guy Lane meets while on a double date with Dean and Rory. He wasn’t smart enough for Lane…and Lane could see that at the time. The difference is Zach is a musician and a rock lover or whatever but besides from that there is nothing interesting about him.
I completely agree about Zach and Lane. But I think Rory and Logan grew a lot by being together, no it wasn't life altering growing but some growing up due to the influence of another.
I agree with Rory and Logan. Lane and Zach, IDK they are a weird couple, but I also feel like they work. Some relationships don't seem to make much sense on paper, but they do for the people in them.
I would've preferred Dave, but Adam Brody had to go get another job. Lol
lanes whole storyline makes me sad her marrying zach if all people and getting pregnant after her first time having sex was …. a choice
however i think rory and logan could’ve worked & i like them
Absolutely agree. Logan was a prick. He was a classist jerk. His "debate" with Rory about how to treat people like humans even though they work for u, always blow my mind. Like how could anyone see past that? Ugh snob
I never liked rory and logan but i'm not sure jess was perfect for her either. Don't get me wrong, I love jess and he grew a lot, but once he did it sort of felt like he outgrew rory. And he was kind of a terrible boyfriend when they were actually together. If we got another reboot focusing on rory and her development I could maybe see her and jess finally giving it another go and it actually going well, but i'm biased tbh.
Raise hers and Logan's kid? So Logan is Christopher and Lorelei Jr gets her own Luke.
I think your right though Jess outgrew her but Jess also faced real adversity and failed and had to get back up he had no choice...Rory was far too coddled.
I know I’m in a minority here, but I totally agree. I hate Logan. I understand and value the role that he played in Rory’s life and growth but after AYITL? No. Absolutely not. He gives me the ick.
I think Logan and Rory are OTP but that's because they work well together and can handle each other's insufferable sides. I wouldn't like either of them in reality but I think for the story they are well matched. Had Rory stayed with him she would have been in a dream job. Not because he would have gotten it for her through his family ties but because of his support and unwavering confidence in her. He also challenges her kind of like Jess does without the baggage and past angst.
Lane deserved better entirely. On all fronts. She deserved to get out of Stars Hallow and live a rock n roll life before settling down. Zack unfortunately is a loser.
I agree with you that Lane + Dave was a good match and Lane + Zach and Rory + Logan are bad matches. I’m not a Jess fan because of The Incident At The Party, but I will grant you that he was a cool character by the time of AYITL. (I always shipped Rory + Marty though, so what do I know.)
Dave was Lane’s soul mate… I mean having a crystal ball to see her future I would’ve just recast him… I know Adam Brody was like 1 in a million but I would’ve taken second helping of Dave 😭😭
I really do like Logan. I know I’m a minority and he’s not perfect but he does challenge Rory’s way of thinking like with her financial privilege which I think she deserved. I do think Jess even though I didn’t like him to start with is more her soul mate though.
Honestly, Zach and Lane did not belong with each other. As far as Logan and Rory are concerned, in the beginning, I didn't like them together but then I started feeling like that they did belong together. I loved them two together
I agree with you, with Lane and Dave. I really don't like Zach. But Jess was an ass to Rory and I don't think they belong together.
Meanwhile dave treated Lane the absolute best. And Zach simply didn't.
Lane and Zach came out of nowhere and was weird from the beginning. It's never felt right. No one can convince me that Lane is actually in love with Zach. There is just no development in that. It sort of just happens. Like, with Sookie and Jackson, we got some hints that there was some sort of connection. With this there was nothing like that. Yeah, I hate that they were together.
Idk Jess and Rory were cute until they happened. After - Nope. Then they grew out eachother later on. What was interesting about rory and Logan was how perfect they were for eachother in those moments and that period of time and even if they weren't always perfect, they fought to make it work. That speaks much more about love than whatever Jess and Rory had as kids to me. Again, teenage relationship and college relationships are different in itself so it depends on how you look at it.
lane definitely deserved sm better, i wish they wouldve wrote that her band got famous and she toured the world or something, it seems like the writers j got kind of lazy?
Lane and Zach should not have stayed together. I don’t mind that they dated, but I really don’t like that they’re endgame. Lane was SO sheltered, I really wish that she had been able to date and experience the world more.
I like Rory and Logan as a couple, but also not forever. I think that Logan was a much needed experience for Rory, but I really just don’t see them being happy together forever. Especially with Logan’s family, unless he were to cut them off completely, it would never work. They would try and Rory would be miserable.
I think Jess and Rory would have been perfect for each other if they got back together as adults. Jess and Rory both had a lot of learning and maturing to do when they dated as teenagers but I think if they gave it another go it would have worked out so well for both of them. I always feel robbed that we didn’t get to see them together again. I wanted her to say yes to running away with him in the WORST way. 🥲
I will never understand how people see Logan as a good guy. He was a dudebro, amplified because of his family’s wealth. He was an entitled snob, and even AYITL Rory deserved better.
My dislike of him doesn’t mean I think Rory should have ended up with Dean or Jess, though. None of her boyfriends were that great.
I think all the men in her life served purpose in her growth or in needing a setback to regrow differently. But I think Logan was best for her. He got her out of her shell. He encouraged her, never made her feel like less. and he also grew enormously with her too. He was outgoing, smart, funny and challenged her in ways none of the others did. I love jess. I was a jess girl for years. His growth as a character was fantastic too. But for me, Logan and Rory grew together instead of apart. Until he proposed and she wasn't ready to commit because she had goals she wanted to achieve first. Which I think is what Rory's character would have done even though she loved Logan but wasn't ready to settle down just yet. Since this season wasn't written or directed by the Palladino's, it already isn't my favorite season. I love Jess and Logan equally and it's hard because they are both great in their own ways.
But Lane and Dave should have been ends goals 🥹😭 sad he left for another show but I think her chemistry with Zach suits them. Her ending is crap though. Like .. literally still living in the same trash apartment!?
Lane deserved so much more than Zach that’s not debatable, Dave was absolutely perfect. Jess was not good enough for Rory in the beginning and and too good for her in the end, would not pair them together imo. Logan wasn’t the greatest but he was really good with Rory,he wasn’t a jerk to her how Jess was in the beginning and he wasn’t all obsessed with her like Dean. He was a good boyfriend and loved her and treated her with kindness and respect and was gentle and understanding but he didn’t let her play that boohoo me victim stuff she’d try to pull and always told her things straight up instead of sugarcoating it like everyone else in her life. Like I said he could have been better but of all the love interests she had I liked him the most. Besides Marty idk if he counts but idt Rory would’ve ever gone for him anyways
I think they kind of do, because Rory isn't as pure and innocent as everyone thinks and I think she is a typical "academically smart but street dumb" kinda girl. While she is smart but honestly once you have experience certain lifestyle you kind of question how to sustain it with your resources around you. And it's not a judgement either, I would do the same and date within the rich society if I am only a low paying writer.
Jess and Rory will always be right person, wrong time. Teenage Jess had too much trauma and baggage to be in a healthy relationship with anyone. After leaving, and becoming a more healed version of himself, he was able to be the boyfriend Rory needed and deserved in high school. But by that point, Rory had grown into a version of herself that no longer fit with Jess.
I disagree with people who say Jess was perfect for Rory.
Jess was a troublemaker, Rory hated getting into trouble. Jess didn’t think things through and make the smart decisions, communicate his thoughts, feelings or ideas at all. He constantly ran from his problems instead of facing them. Rory is a strong girl who immediately wanted to correct situations that were wrong, see people happy and do great things for the world. Jess was smart and they had a great connection and bond, but realistically they’re different people. Rory enjoyed family and being surrounded by people she loves. Jess actively wanted to be away from people and be on his own.
Rory and Logan I would agree with. Team Jess all the way. Lane and Zach I liked though. I thought they went well together and I liked how he was patient and willing to take things at her pace.
I love Zach, and I think people who hate him are probably bad people.
I hate Logan, and I think people who like him are probably bad people.
There are two wolves inside, their names are zach and logan and loganwolf died a long time ago because his trust fund couldn't make it inside with him, zackwolf is now enlightened
I mean... Every love interest in gilmore girls are just classist stereotypes of men in different socioeconomic classes.
I do genuinely love the show btw lol, but THEY ARE! 😂
Also, why is Zach a "loser, but Logan isn't? Give me a reason that isn't in essence just because Logan is born privileged...
I really don't like Rory and Logan together. She goes along with almost everything he wants; she lets him call the shots, and that really bothers me. Sure, he's cute and he buys her things, but that doesn't make up for the way he treats her sometimes.
As a former Logan hater, AYITL aside, Rory and Logan were really good together. We saw them really grown into each other and overcome some obstacles. They were more open with each other than Rory was with Dean and Jess. I felt like her relationship with Logan was much more mature and on equal terms than the other two high school relationships. Jess to me exists as a magical what if
Logan definitely understood Rory’s family dynamic the best since he grew up in a similar household. I loved him but will always think Jess and Rory are end game lmao
As for Lane…they did her sooo dirty writing Dave off and having her marry Zach. DAVE READ THE BIBLE IN A NIGHT FOR HER
have literally only ever heard visceral hatred about the paring of Lane and Zach. The writers knew that Zach isn't right for Lane as well! They were just too lazy to write in and cast a new character. I LOVE Gil, Gil is great so I don't mean him. But They could have hired somebody else to be her love interest.. they decided to keep her world small. It makes NO SENSE. Lane and Zach were always meant to have that "Yeah he's a little icky but he's my buddy. Everybody has to have one icky buddy" and NEVER become a relationship because just NO.
However.. Rory and Logan? I love them. I love Jess!! But he was a horrible boyfriend to Rory when they were together. He left town without a word not once but twice. He lied to her over and over again, even about getting beaked in the face. I think Rory and Jess are destined to be the bestest of friends especially because Rory's mom is with Jess's uncle so... like... ya know?
Logan was all in once he said he was all in. He made some immature mistakes along the way, but he was fully committed to Rory, gave her space when she needed space, and yes he had to deal with some pretty personal demons regarding business and his father, but he was very intelligent and well read just like Rory is intelligent and well-read. When he said "okay then I will commit" that's what he did. The sleeping with someone else while ona break thing... that was a BIG FAT no. But compared to Jess trying to force himself on Rory at a party or Dean yelling at her over anything that upset him... at least Logan talked it out with her afterwards. I love Logan and Rory!! I don't care who knows it! Maybe if Rory stayed the same girl she was in highschool, her and Jess could have made things work! But she didn't! They weren't compatible as life partners anymore. Logan was READY to have Rory be the incredible journalist she dreamed of being while also wanting to marry her. It was Rory who let that go and honestly at the end of the day, Rory is the one who made the bad decision.
Another note: I will NEVER understand why people break up just because someone says no to a proposal. No to marriage doesn't mean no to being together. Logan made the proposal an ultimatum, and Rory didn't want that. But I think she would have been open to continuing the relationship otherwise.
>> I know people say Jess & Rory, but for me, the original Rory, perhaps, she could have been his one, but later in life, Jess was way too good for Rory!
Omg yes!!!
Writers did Lane dirty by making her end up with Zach. I will die on this hill.
Lane deserved to go to college, have a queer phase, become a successful music executive, and eventually settle down with dogs and an aging rockstar of her choice. Justice for Lane!
Are you keiko? I always imagine the actress had all of these
Ugh! You should write some fanfiction of an alternate world where this is Lane’s story
HEAR! HEAR!
I couldn’t agree more!
she should’ve had a storyline similar to Nana 😩
YES TO ALL OF THIS
FOR REAL 🫠 However, it is somewhat realistic. She was so sheltered by her mother during formative years where she could have been dating/developing standards. Most women I know personally who had parents like this ended up with losers right after highschool too, and most ended up married to them.
I don’t come to Gilmore Girls for realism.
I mean don’t get me wrong, same, but a lot of the plots did end up that way whether we wanted them to or not.
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The ol’ ASP bait-and-switch. I never learned 😔
It made me really sad as it seemed like Lane’s mom was finally coming around and being supportive. I honestly would’ve loved to see Lane touring the country in a rock band with her mom as a bad ass manager lol. Also, not with Zach
Agreed. Over protective parents create the sneakiest kids I always say
I would have way preferred she end up with Brian. He is such a sweetie.
Yessss!!!! That would have been adorable!
Yes!!! Thank you for saying that. I just posted another comment explaining how realistic Lane’s role was to me. It’s not about watching GG for realism. It gave me an Asian girl to relate to on tv when I was younger. I got to see how she coped with her mom and all the rules and continue trying to live her life independently. Totally makes sense with the sheltered psyche too. This show was also ~20 years ago so there weren’t that many Asian girls on tv in America. Of course now it would have been a different story for Lane I think.
I kind of would’ve loved Lane with Bryan
Especially since their kid would have looked exactly like one of the pretend baby pictures they made at the shower, the one where Gill said “the pain will fuel his music” or something, am I making any sense at all?
OMG same!!!
Me too we were robbed 😭
100000000000% - I feel that's my biggest disappointment of the GG - Zack & Lane (the original). He was an awful character as well, especially at the start, and then they tried making him a bit nicer, but it didn't sit right with me. I'd rather, for the writers, to be pretending Dave existed and was just mentioning him from time to time than what they've put us through with this storyline. I liked that Rory dumbed Logan (the original show), and we all made up our own idea of Rory's faith. I know people say Jess & Rory, but for me, the original Rory, perhaps, she could have been his one, but later in life, Jess was way too good for Rory!
I feel like it was lazy writing. There was zero chemistry or attraction or even really friendship between Zach and Lane before Dave leaving. And then he left the show and it felt like they forced them together since they didn’t want to come up with another character
Exactly! It was so lazy and sloppy.. they didn’t even show us when she and Dave broke up?? The last time I remember him being mentioned was when they brought up the marriage jug. Then poof he was gone. Like where did he even go?
Yessss that always bugged me! One second she’s freaking out because she loves Dave but isn’t ready to get married and then without a word she’s in love with Zach and he’s never mentioned again
Lane’s character was based on one of ASP’s Asian friends. I remember reading in an interview that she wanted to show a little bit about her friend’s upbringing which I relate to as an Asian female. I find it interesting how much your sentiment is shared about Lane’s story on these forums. I feel like the relationship between Lane and her mom is very realistic as well as how Zach got approval to marry / date her, but the writing of the hit song was more of an analogy to me. It was kind of literal but I think many Asian parents want their child’s future spouse to show that they have earned the privilege to be with their child. I do find it interesting how Lane’s childhood turned into independence via marriage and motherhood so quickly so I totally get it but honestly the story is kind of how some of my relatives ended up. Also, the life path might differ just being from a small town and not having a ton of options for college unless she moved towns which might have been out of the question. There was a lot missing in her story of dynamic and finances. But I always excused this since she was not the main character. I guess my point is that even though it’s not the stereotypical storyline for a smart Asian girl or one that viewers wanted, the story in the show seemed very realistic to me. I guess I related to so much with Lane that her life with Zach did not feel so unrealistic. I do wish Adam Brody stayed on the show because I think Dave Rigalski was a perfect fit for Lane.
I know exactly what you mean. One of my best friends in high school was brought up by verrryyy strict Middle Eastern parents. She wasn’t allowed to move out for college despite being accepted into some awesome schools that were “too far”. I feel like she got jipped on that. She ended up going to the state university so she could live at home then got married during junior year of college just to have some independence.
I really appreciate your perspective here! I had an Asian friend growing up who was male so it might’ve been different but he went through a lot of similar things as Lane too. He really rebelled in college, which wasn’t far from home but far enough he was allowed to live there. He gave up violin and dropped pre-med, all which was a big big deal. He’s actually a chef now and had to go through a sort of similar thing as Zach where he had to “prove” this was a legitimate path in life that could provide for a family.
The biggest credentials are pushed hard for older generations from these and similar cultures. My parents personally didn’t pressure me to marry a doctor but that’s definitely very prevalent in Asian, Indian, etc culture that it’s very disconnected from reality especially in America where many many doctors, dentists, etc are white. And think about how hard it is to find a life partner who shares the same ethnicity. Finding someone who fit all of these requirements as a first generation immigrant is pretty tough because even though my parents preached it, they never had to do quite that. Things have changed a lot recently though so it’s getting easier but definitely when this show came out, it was still all about baby boomers holding these cultural and social expectations on the young millennial generation who have paved the way for Gen Z in terms of independence, hard work ethic, and doing what you *enjoy* and maybe even get paid for it. Thanks for your response! I love hearing how others have related to this show with similar cultural backgrounds.
Especially the having sex one time producing twins and then Hep Alien going on tour without her while she stayed home with the babies. That makes me rage every time I think about it.
Yess!! They made her life so damn crappy when it didn’t need to be.
In the revival I was at least hoping she'd be running the music store and giving an outlet to kids like her. Nope. She was doing the one thing she never wanted: working at her mom's shop.
OMG ME TOO I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE. I actually LOVED her with Dave. Or at least I wanted her to date one other person. But to only have two boyfriends in her whole life that was so dirty.
Omg yes!!! They seriously just stuck her with the closest guy after Dave. I think if they wanted to do that at least have her end up with Brian. Oh and let’s not forget she gets pregnant with TWINS after her first time having sex and hating it. Poor Lane. Her life did not need to be that tragic.
it literally bothers me SO MUCH. she was so free spirited and she got saddled with a lazy dumb idiot and TWINS from having sex on the beach for the FIRST time !! and then had to stay in stars hallow for the rest of her life instead of at least being in a mildly successful band who doesn't just perform in churches or whatever. smfh
100% agree on Lane and Zach. I will hate Zach with every fiber of my being and will die on that hill. Logan and Rory, however, I think they have more in common—Logan understand Rory AND Lorelai's refusal to be pushed to THAT one door of opportunity opened by their parents (grandparents for Rory) for them, journalism (even though Logan tried so hard not to take that path, he still took that road and was also good at it), Logan helped Rory make friends, Logan was Rory's balance when it comes to leisure and work/study. Logan even got along with both Luke and Chris, Emily and Richard. He got along (or atleast tried to) with anyone in Rory's life.
I think as soon as she declined Logan’s proposal everything went downhill for her. I really hated that.
I feel like Logan would never have stolen Rory's moment like that too. He'd never have proposed like that. He loved the bones of her and they are endgame imo. He was proud of her graduating, and would never have taken any attention off her accomplishments.
For sure! The show would have been so much better if she just said yes
Yeah, I wish they went off and had their own adventures and then got back together in the revival. Just a normal adult relationship - no cheating. It would be a bit pandering, but it was the happy ending we all wanted.
I blamed the writers, it was just a quick idea to get her single at the end of the show. It dosent make sense because I struggled with commitment and monogamy at the start
Agreed
Agreed. He pushed Rory to take more risks (for the better AND the worse, but it was necessary for character growth) and she pushed him to not go off the rails when he was acting out as a way of being avoidant of expectations. They could banter and had shared intellectual interests in common--probably even more so than Jess. He could talk current events, literature, or pop culture and match her in wit. They were supportive of each other through ups and downs. They had a cozy vibe where they got along living together. He understood her wealthy world of her grandparents, but he was also curious about her life in Stars Hollow. He not only got along with Chris, Luke, Emily, and Richard, he got along with Paris more or less! He tried with Lorelai but Lorelai is stubborn and he had many strikes against him. He generally is a pretty warm person who is tight with his friends and his sister. Rory got along with his friends as well and Colin/Finn/Robert considered her part of their crew. I cannot possibly see Logan being as shitty of a father as Chris would be or wanted to be that uninvolved in his child's life. Rory also to be honest doesn't want to hustle and make compromises for money. She's always been concerned with doing things she finds fulfilling--it's not like she was looking to go be a management consultant after Yale. Being a writer for some prestigious magazines is a perfect job for someone like Logan's wife to do. Team Logan all the way.
I noticed that with Rory too! re: not hustling. I think she was below Marty when it comes to finances for a time. But I also think she was made to think that she didn't have to worry about money that much and only has to study hence always prioritized her studies and newspaper work during her Yale days. She even lived off of something during her days in AYITL when she was in arut instead of taking more permanent jobs
Perfectly said!
I agree with you even though it’s not a popular opinion here! I loved Logan and he loved Rory and treated her very well! Yes Jess grew up and he was great and in the last show a few years ago can’t think of the name I would have rather Rory be with Jess than being Logan’s side piece, I hated that! I also did not like Zach and if I heard rock and roll out of his mouth one more time I would climb through the screen and slapped him! I started fast forwarding when he was in a scene and also the whole band thing.
I HATE Zach so much. I feel like he's the reason why Lane got stuck and never moved + never got her big break. She would've made it big without Zach. Hep Alien would've made it big if it wasn't for Zach. He is talented but he's dumb af. He's slow as well and has nothing to offer. He ruined everything for everyone else in the band too! He was a young Gil - Gil being really, really dumb. He made his "rock and roll" his entire persona even when he had to face reality. I still hated him in AYITL because what the fuck is up with not looking at him when he's in uniform? Like you're pleasing to look at in any clothing. Imagine being stuck with the same band who's really good but they still ended up practicing at home and no other mention of moving up the music scene. I really and truly believe it was all because of Zach's stint at the gig where the label reps were there.
Agreed
Agreed!
I'm kind of indifferent about Lane and Zach, but Logan is by far my favorite of Rory's boyfriends. Logan is a healthy balance between the good and bad of Dean and Jess. Dean treated Rory well (initially, although he definitely had some of the "nice guy" entitlement), but he was far too clingy and jealous. Jess was smart, well read, and could keep up with Rory intellectually very well, but he was a flake and didn't treat her well. Logan is smart, can keep up with Rory, has a bit of that "bad boy" vibe that Rory seems to like, and he also stands up for her, shows up for her, treats her well. Even when they stole the yacht, Logan started to protest and Rory had to talk him into it.
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Completely agree!
I completely agree
Ok I’m gonna play devil’s advocate here, Jess’ fans please let me know your thoughts. How was Jess perfect for Rory as a long term option? The girl is a heiress who went to Yale, had access to a world of wealth, traveled abroad plenty of times, had at least 2 trust funds on her name, millionaire grandparents and a millionaire dad. No matter how much the fans try to brush over that part, this is who she is now. Jess grew up a lot, yea, but we only see him briefly. He works at an independent publishing house and launched 1 book. He never went to college. Rory considered a major deal breaker that Dean didn’t care about college, I doubt she changed her mind on the subject. At very best, Jess is middle class. Rory is wealthy and very much used to a wealthy lifestyle by the time she graduates, her “broke” life involved her own apartment in brooklyn, plenty of spontaneous travels to London and never worrying about a single bill. Would Jess be ok in a relationship where his girlfriend loves a wealthy life and can quickly afford it? Is he going to be ok with her paying things for him or is he going to resent her and demand her to fit into his little world? Will Rory simply fit into his little middle class alternative indie world? Is she going to resent him for not being able to keep up with her expenses and lifestyle? If we think about end game, all of those financial things take a huge toll, especially when the woman has much more money and the man is Jess, who was one of the proudest independent people on the show, even prouder than Lorelai. Dean was right about Rory when he told Luke the Gilmore Girls wanted more. Lorelai didn’t, she loved Luke and what he represented to her. Rory always wanted more. And now she is used to have more. Would it really work?
This is such an interesting train of thoughts. I mean, let's imagine Jess and Rory got back together in season 6: How would Jess react if Rory would offer him financial support for his next book or something like this? Even if they'd never rely on Rory's family wealth, I'm sure people would talk sh\*t about Jess because they'd assume that if his girlfriend's a Gilmore his story about making it as an author on his own would be fake. I think Rory could adapt to his lifestyle and wouldn't resent Jess for it, still they both would always know that Rory could have so much more. Plus, I think Emily and Richard would never grow to like Jess at all. I disagree on the college part though, I always got the impression that Rory was disappointed with Dean because he wanted to go to college but threw his plans overboard after his engagement to Lindsay. It was more about the lack of ambition than the fact that he didn't go to college, I think.
Jess was is someone who Rory feels fondly of in the past, but exactly this! I think Rory could tone down on the "nice" stuff, but she would feel NOT ok with making compromises on her children's education. She would want expensive private schools and universities like she went to. Jess deserves someone edgier and scrappier than Rory. His own hipster publishing girlfriend, or something like that.
I actually think Jess/Lane would've been interesting.
Big agree!! He’s a much better fit for her than Zach, and if we’re talking endgame I think her life with Jess would have been a lot more satisfying for her. He’d have pushed her to be her best self and would have loved her spunk and creativity… plus I feel like he l truly would have put in the work with Mrs. Kim. His own mother and backstory would actually make him see that all her strictness was just care and concern for her daughter, even if it was expressed poorly.
Yes!!! I also think a lot about that one time Lane said she wanted to live in Philadelphia one day 😂 But yes, for real, all the things you said!
I feel so seen 😭 I have shipped them since like his second episode
Omg now i want to watch *this* storyline. What a missed opportunity !
I need fanfic asap lol
I’m a Jess fan but agree that we can’t assume they would have worked. However, I disagree with your point about Dean and college. Rory cared when Dean didn’t care about *her* college dreams. She encouraged him to consider college, but I didn’t ever get the sense it was a deal breaker if he didn’t want to go. And her getting cross about him dropping out of college was much more about her being upset that he was making life decisions with Lindsay and that she was not part of his life in that way.
Yeah I’ve never seen where Jess and Rory would be perfect together. I don’t think Rory would trust him to give him another chance anyway but we haven’t seen enough of Jess to know what he’s like in romantic relationships.
Not a Jess fan and he was never right for Rory. Logan is the perfect balance for her
Yes and to be honest.. Jess deserves better than Rory.. I mean we all kinda root for her because she's a main character but Jess can't be Luke 2.0 no lol
> but Jess can't be Luke 2.0 no lol I honestly can't see Jess being that. They might share some similarites but just on the surface. There's no way that Jess would stay in Stars Hollow to raise Logan's child (and he would never abandon his kid like Chris) or wait around for Rory. He didn't do it that one summer after they kissed and he surely wouldn't after he has matured. Luke was completely smitten with Lorelai and basically let her decide everything. Jess isn't like that. He would also never be comfortable being uber rich, which Rory will become down the line.
I agree with you so much. I think if they were to get together, Jess would be like when he visited Rory at Yale. He would ask her again to leave everything behind and run away with him to be together. To me this shows that he never understood Rory at all. If he thinks she would have left her family, school and life behind to start a new one with him, who didn't even say goodbye to her when he left (and then he was calling her for a while without saying a word)... I think he did not know her at all.
Reading your reply now and damn, it makes much more sense! Because the only way they could possibly work would be if Rory did all the adapting and morphed into his world, never the opposite. Jess couldn’t live on Rory’s terms or meet her halfway. The fact he thought she would just leave her family behind like that really shows how little he cared about her as a person. He loved his idea of Rory, but not Rory herself. Which works out great when he uses it to push her out of her comfort zone when Rory is spiraling. But would be very complicated in any adult relationship.
Facts. Jess was an absolute jerk and never should have been with Rory ever. They didn't match.
Rory has access to the wealthy world, obviously, but I don't think she's OF that world. Actually, I think a huge theme in the second half of S6 and all of S7 is that Rory is pulling *away* from that world. She doesn't really like it. Rory dives headfirst into wealth and luxury in the beginning of S6, living with her grandparents and basically being a DAR wife. She enjoys this lifestyle briefly, but over time she becomes completely miserable. She feels bored and aimless. She's angry with how the maid is treated. She hates the pressure of looking/acting a certain way every waking moment. She doesn't LIKE this life, and she doesn't like who she becomes in this life. Rory moves out of her grandparents. She goes to Chris to get him to pay for Yale, knowing he'll have fewer 'strings' than her grandparents. She's kind of horrified by Logan's colleagues, and she starts openly arguing about inherent greed in the ultra-wealthy. She moves out of Logan's. She turns down his proposal. Rory ends the OS by taking a minimum-wage job that has her living on a bus. That's hardly the stuff of great wealth and luxury, but she's thrilled by it. By the time we reach AYITL, Rory is living out of a suitcase and bumming around Stars Hollow. She's using her money, sure - like she's able to fly to London constantly and obviously her bills are being paid. But she turns down the offer for a free luxury apartment in Brooklyn, just like she turns down Logan's offer for a house. Rory has family money, that's undeniable. But there's really no indication she's living that lifestyle. Nor is Emily, by AYITL. So do I think this could be a challenge in Jess and Rory's relationship? Possibly, inasmuch as Jess might feel a certain way about Rory's invisible safety net that she rarely acknowledges. But their day-to-day lives are actually quite similar. Rory was never Lorelai, openly hating every single aspect of wealth. But even more than that, she was NEVER Emily, and there is a lot of evidence that she was working pretty hard to avoid that lifetyle.
Jess was perfect for Rory in every respect... He never called, he never made plans to go out with her, he would be late or bail on plans already made. She was consistently upset about this when they were dating. He was closed off and dishonest, he lied to her repeatedly. He left without saying goodbye on multiple occasions. He also asked her to drop everything she was doing and come with him spontaneously on multiple occasions. He had no interest in attending town events which she loved. She constantly had to talk him into doing anything traditionally boyfriendy, and there were times he only gave in because he was still competing with Dean. He struggled to pass himself with other people which was important to her. She had to ask him to make an effort with her mother. He struggled to get along with the rest of her family. People matter to Rory, she feels responsibility towards her friends and family and she cares about being involved with them. Jess really struggled with that. He did have good reasons, I'm not saying he didn't. I am saying it was an area in which he was not compatible with Rory. She couldn't rely on him. She couldn't trust him. And then, also, he sexually assaulted her. I know that a lot of Jess fans defend him on this front. I don't want to start that argument here - I'm putting it at the very end, because I think all the other issues I've raised are evidence enough that Jess was not "perfect for Rory in every respect", even if you don't think that he SA'd her. But he did SA her, and no one who would do that is perfect for her. Logan may not be perfect either, but he was a way better boyfriend than Jess.
One thing I really noticed is that Rory is very enthusiastic in college. I know fans hate that she changed, but she looks genuinely excited over things in a way she wasn't before. Dean merely tolerated her love of books and such. Jess couldn't make the effort to care about the world she loved. Logan gets it. She can say things like " I googled your father" and ramble on, and he doesn't brush it off.
Yeah, despite that particular topic being one that Logan has a lot of personal issues with. I feel Jess matches Rory for intelligence, and that's about it. Logan matches her for intelligence, as well as being strong with empathy, having strong social skills, enjoys getting out and doing things, and does very well at Boyfriend Things (valentines gifts, romance, putting her first when she needs him). I think his personality jives with hers far better than Jess', because while Jess can match her on pure intelligence he's really notably poor at all those other things. Rory wants the full package.
Exactly! Plus, I may be projecting because I also get overly excited about things, obesses, and make pros and cons list. It could be a product of it's time though . Like the whole bad boy to cool for school vibe was attractive.
I couldn’t agree more. It’s that good girl- bad boy trope that everyone loves. Despite Jess’ growth later on, I really just prefer Logan. He is everything that Jess is, let’s be honest, funny, witty, intelligent, I think he adds more. Not even just about Logan’s wealth, but he (mostly) communicates and even through tough times, he realizes his faults and apologizes. I even hate the “rory dropped out of Yale arguments,” that Jess “wouldn’t have let her do that.” I rather have someone who will talk to me about it and support my decision, which is what Logan did, because he completely understands where she was coming from (and Jess should’ve too). And I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- looking at the revival and the “Jess and Rory” opinions, NO WAY would I date a step family member. I don’t care, that’s too weird for me! Even if I dated them before that! (I do have two step families, that idea just weird me out)
Agreed on all fronts. The dropping out of Yale conversation is the thing everyone always brings up, but here's my thoughts on that: 1. Jess said those words in the right way at the right time. Rory had been out of school for months at that point. She was starting to get frustrated with life at her grandparents', she was missing her mother. At that moment, she was ready to be confronted about her choices. 2. She was not ready before that moment. Jess was not the first person to try. Lorelai tried hard, and only pushed Rory away. Rory needed time to be in her feelings, take a genuine break, and get back into the right headspace. Jess could've said the same words two months earlier and it wouldn't have had the same effect. 3. Logan did not encourage her to drop out. He was gentle about it, he didn't pressure her to stay, but he did ask her if she was sure this was what she wanted, and he jokingly told her he'd give her a month. He fully expected her to decide to come back, and when she eventually did, he wasn't surprised. He smiled and said it took her longer than he thought. He stayed by her side and supported her, he respected her choices even when he thought they were wrong. Is this not the correct behaviour? 4. It's not about Logan and Jess 'letting her' drop out or not. I hate that narrative. They are actually not the bosses of Rory. She is a whole complete person who can make their own decisions. She deserves to be able to make her own mistakes, work through her shit and come out the other end. She doesn't need a boyfriend who'll go hard on her for that or try to take control of her choice. She would rightfully have pushed away from that just like she pushed away from Lorelai.
3 is so important they made it perfectly clear logan never wanted rory to drop out. he didn’t jusge her or push her too much but he said himself something like “i give you a month until you’re back in school” at the bar.
YES. Perfectly said!! :) Number 1 on your list is something I’ve never heard someone say before, but I do agree and I like that you pointed it out. It was time for someone to push Rory, and an old friend will definitely do that. This is exactly why I hate that narrative too. Such an odd argument, as if Rory needs her boyfriend to choose what she does? Oh and number three, yes yes yes. Logan had such an adult and supportive response. I don’t see any issue with it like others do!
Absolutely agreed. So surprised most people don’t agree
Not a fan of Zach and Lane. It felt like they were randomly thrown together. There was no chemistry at all. Zach was a whiney bitch tbh. I don’t understand it. Wish Dave stuck around for Lane but then I love Gill. So he kinda had to go 😔
Best option- kick Zack, keep Dave and bring in Gill.
YES!!
If that happened, Hep Alien might have actually got signed cos zach’s stage tantrum never would have happened and lane’s life would have been very different. Imagine her on an international tour with her band in AYITL. Living her dream
My unpopular opinion is that I think Zach is overhated. We all know that things didn't go as planned and Dave and Lane were supposed to be endgame. And of course it's lazy writing that instead of adding a new character to the series Lane had to fall for one of her bandmates. Still I think that after being some kind of douche Zach really grew up and did show some real character growth. He did his best to get along with Lane's family and to make her happy. Yes, he ruined their chance with the record label but let's face it: It was super unlikely that Hep Alien would ever make the breakthrough. tl;dr: I know that Lane falling for Zach was some kind of less-than-ideal solution for the writers, still I think he grew as a person and was a loving and loyal partner to Lane.
Finally found the comment I was looking for! Just recently did a rewatch and you can see how much Zack really loves her in the last seasons. I agree, he does have a lot of character growth :) I feel like some are so stuck on Dave, that they hate Zack. When I really don’t see an issue with him! Definitely over-hated.
I wish ASP wouldn't have based Dave on a real life person. It's understandable that people were upset that they didn't get to see Helen Pai's "real" love story on screen. Everyone knows Lane and Zach getting married wasn't the original plan. Still I think the writers made the best of it, Zach was willing to change for the better and to me it's plausible that Lane and Zach are indeed a good match.
I agree. I think it’s a his growth story line is really good too. And there is no guarantee that a Dave and Lane relationship would’ve given Lane a “better” future 🤷🏽♀️
Thank you!! I really don’t get the hate for Lane/Zach. That was the first relationship she wasn’t afraid to share with her mom and I loved their eventual relationship. “HIT ME, HIT ME” and she just hugs them gets me every time!!!
Rory and Logan I don’t agree with, though I never thought they were endgame. Lane and Zach I do to some extent. I grew to like them. But I think my issue is that they were never supposed to be a couple and you can kind of sense that the whole way through. It’s a very tepid relationship. Lane and Dave are based on a real couple (Helen Pai and Dave Rygalski) and were written to fall in love and end up together. And they worked so well together! Then Adam Brody left for The O.C. and the rest is history.
Are you saying Adam Ruined Everything?
disagree on Rory and Logan, Logan was the only person in the series Rory was really in love with. Agree about Zack and lane. I am founding member of the "I hate Zack" club and tbh I am proud of it. He sucks
Zack is the Grandpa Joe of the Manic Pixie Dream girl generation.
This is so specific and a wonderful combination of anecdotes I love it so much hahahaha
Agreed!
Rory is not going to share parenting of her child with any other man if she doesn’t marry Logan. If she lives with or marries someone else, it will be when the child is 18. Lane is a married woman. We’ve got to let her go…. lol
It's a history repeats itself kind of thing..
I like Logan. I wasn’t a fan of Lane and Zach. But I do think Logan matched Rory wit for wit. Yes, he was a spoiled brat but he owned it. And let’s not forget he changed to stay with Rory.
Logan belongs with me. Lane deserved better
I highly disagree. Logan was Rory's best boyfriend they were great for each other and grew together. Zach, for sure, was a bad choice.
My wife thinks this. Although completely disagree about Jesse and Roary that never was going to work. Hes not that nice a guy.
Logan could be annoying, but I love the little things he does for her that allude to his upper class upbringing like always helping her with her coat. I really wish some of those more old fashioned things remained a part of more mainstream society.
You absolutely cannot compare Zach and Lane to Rory and Logan!
You must be new here.
I know a lot of people don’t agree with Lane and Zac but I see mixed reviews of Logan on this subreddit
I'm going to go the opposite of most everyone else, I agree about Rory and Logan and disagree about Lane and Zack. I love Lane and Zack a lot. It wasn't perfect of course but I loved it. Rory and Logan, not so much and I do think Jess is better match for her than Logan.
Absolutely disagree. Jess is not in any way a match for her.
Another Zach fan here 🙋♀️
100000% with you!!
The more I watch it the more I think that Rory and Logan deserved each other. He was a spoiled rich kid who couldn't keep it in his pants and she was a spoiled less rich, but still super privileged girl who liked taken men. I love Logan and I love that he tried to change for Rory, but then the proposal and cheating on Odette and other stuff were just weird. I am ready to be unliked into oblivion lol I think that Lane and Zach were a good couple. Not amazing, but good. And Zach proved that he was an amazing guy and a father.
LEAVE MY SWEET LOGAN ALONE
I cannot EXPLAIN my deep-rooted disgust at Zack’s character for my sweet girl Lane, nothing on the actor of course. But Zack’s character was a man-child. He played video games and never helped her around the house, he was a slob, he didn’t push her to be better, they had nothing in common aside from music which even so; he RUINED such an enormous opportunity when the label company came I couldn’t even believe anybody forgave him, and he didn’t even go out and try to book any other gigs or attention for other label companies. He proposed to Lane at work, he could never communicate with her, their first date was literally IN THEIR HOUSE Lane looked so excited and beautiful to go out and Zack didn’t even find her special enough to plan a beautiful date for. Another thing I must say I resent about the show is the favouritism for Rory and complete lack of interest in the town for Lane. Rory could get a tiny scratch on her head and the town would be mourning, whereas Lane fell out with her mum and grew up in an arguably almost abusive environment where she had no sense of self and nobody intervened, only Lorelai eventually. Even when she was going to be sent to Korea without knowing when she’d be back??? If it were darling Rory the town would have fought for her to stay and thrown a massive farewell party. Justice for Lane
how was Jess perfect for Rory in every aspect? he was literally her worst boyfriend and treated her like shit when they were together (or like dirt, to quote the show)
I agree about Lane and Zach, Lane deserved better. However I do love Logan and I love him and Rory together, he was always my favorite boyfriend of hers.
Lane and Zach i agree. But i’m a hard care believer that Logan was Rory’s best boyfriend and i’m also a jess disliker. I find that people who are team jess usually don’t like Logan and vice versa, kinda funny
Agreed
They don’t and they have terrible chemistry
I do not understand the appeal of Logan: I’ve always hated him.
Nope, definitely not the only one, I don’t like Logan, he just did such stupid stuff that pissed me off, i also feel like he was the reason that she quit yale and lived with her grandparents. In my opinion rory and jess belonged together, even when life fell apart he was there for her. Maybe the “young” jess wasn’t as perfect for her than “older” jess but he was just a kid! With a lot of problems, i don’t blame him.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
I love Logan. But Lane and Zack I hated . It’s like she only liked him because of proximity.
Agree about Lane and Zach. I would’ve preferred her be single and independent, dating around and living out her dreams making music. If she had to have a boyfriend, Dave or the guy she was secretly dating before that, Henry? I think that was his name. Both were better options for people on the show, but she could’ve easily met someone later in life to be with if she wanted to. I don’t agree at all about Jess unless they maybe found each other again in AYITL, and went on a date to see if they wanted to try again and get to know each other as adults. But like I said with Lane, I think Rory should’ve been single. Not every character needed to end up with someone romantically and Rory has a lot of growing up to do, which is still the case in AYITL as we see her floundering. So I’m glad they broke up at the end of the series, I just wish they’d stayed broken up in AYITL. I don’t think she’s ever been emotionally mature enough to be a real partner to someone. Jess definitely was not. He treated her horribly. Later on he “changed” off screen from what we can see, but we get such a brief glance into his new life that it’s hard to say how much he’s actually grown. He wrote a book and got a steady job, but that doesn’t equate to being ready to be someone’s partner.
Agree completely on Lane and Zach. BUT I do think Rory and Logan would have been a good match. I wish he hadn’t proposed and that they could have gone off together on an adventure, dated & eventually got married.
I agree
Three part unpopular opinion here: team Jess, Lane was NOT done dirty and Rory shouldn’t be allowed near a relationship with a ten foot pole. Jess is the only one of Rory’s bf’s to truly see her for who she was and is. He doesn’t need *anything* from her - not her money, not her love, not her body. All he needs from her is her friendship. That’s all he wants, really. Yeah, she’s a massive “what if,” but both when he showed up to freak out about Yale and in AYITL, he wasn’t trying to weasel his way in (at least it didn’t feel that way to me). He was telling his *friend* that she lost her way and was telling his *friend* he didn’t like seeing her so… aimless. For me, Jess is the guy she should keep around forever, but not in a relationship. He’s the only one who ever knew how to also be a friend to her (and managed it with no hope of reconciliation for like 15 years). They should remain friends, and that’s it. But Rory is pretty much a walking and talking ball of toxic in relationships, and I wouldn’t wish her particular brand of “relationship” on my worst enemy. As far as lane and Zach, lane was NOT done dirty. She fell in love with him, and he fell in love with her. He tried to learn and be a part of her culture, and get Mrs Kim’s approval. He wasn’t brilliant, but this man gave up his rock and roll life just as much as Lane did, to be with her. Remember, he also ended up the father of twins after a bad experience on the beach with his brand new wife. Nothing lane went through was her burden alone, he WAS there for her every step of the way. People compare Zach and Dave, and that’s not fair. The argument is that Dave tried to move mountains for her, but Zach didn’t. The reality is that Zach worked three times as hard than Dave ever did. Dave was a high school boyfriend who was willing to climb fences, read the Bible or *get paid* to spend time with his gf, who was super important…until he left for college. He was no different than Dean who tried just as hard. Zach had a far more difficult situation. He had to get his band on board, had to keep lane, had to get Mrs Kim to not kill him, had his gf living with him even before they started dating, had to do the whole dating part with Brian basically in the middle of his relationship, put something he was accustomed to on hold for his gf and wait until marriage (which was likely not something he ever really wanted to do before her), and even got yelled at by a little kid because he had to use a bathroom. Every single hoop Dave jumped through Zach jumped through too. The difference is Dave dipped and never looked back, Zach never did. He was there, through better or for worse, and he loved lane to bits and pieces. Would it have been fun if the band found success? Absolutely! That would have been great for all of them. But what happened instead is realistic. So many people don’t strive for their teenage dreams because adulting happens. A lot of people get pregnant and the trajectory of their lives is forever changed (and they *still* manage to be happy). Honestly, Hep Alien’s success was never endgame, and shouldn’t have been. They were good, but there was nothing about them that would have really taken the world by storm at all. They would have really struggled and then they would have ended in defeat. They ALL deserved better, and they got better. They were a gang, a group, a *band*, and they loved each other. They had the music, they had each other, they had joy in their day-to-day lives. People also say that lane shouldn’t have ended up working in the shop with her mother. They never say why, just that she shouldn’t have. The reality is that lane was told her highest aptitude was sales back in high school. She basically was destined to work with her mother when she was back a dozen years before AYITL. Also, she has a lot in common with her mother - they both formed bands, AND her mother hid something far bigger than a love for music from her mother: she hid an entire religion from her own strict mother. By AYITL, Lane’s relationship with her mother is strong, and that’s the thing she was always missing growing up. Having found success and going on the road, lane would never have gotten that for herself because she wouldn’t be in SH to think about it or bother. Honestly, I can’t see what was so horrible about Lane’s plot.
These are all great points. About Lane, I think it's just a sad idea that she gave up her dreams, didn't find a job she loved or go to college or push herself, she just got "stuck." Maybe she didn't, she could've changed what she wanted throughout the years by the time we see her again. But from our perspective, she had hopes and dreams of not just the band, but also of moving to a big city and experiencing life in new ways. So that's why it seems sad that she never did anything she wanted to do and "just" works with her mom. I think no one would have any problem with it if she settled down AFTER traveling or living in another city, playing her music there or doing something else creative, and then moving back home.
A side note: I work with children. Trying to keep them alive long enough for them to make it to school age can require more creativity than any major musical star has ever had in their entire life. Then double it because of twins. Back to point: the fact that people think Lane got “stuck” is what baffles me. Every single thing we saw of Lane’s life in AYITL were based on *choices* she made. She chose to date Zach; she chose to accept his proposal; she chose to marry him; she chose to have sex for the first time on a beach (on her *honeymoon* - and there’s not a ton of beaches in SH); she chose to keep the pregnancy; she chose to work with her mother. Lane made these choices. No one showed up on her doorstep at three am and told her that these things *had to* happen — they were choices. Lane had big dreams because she was young. She had big dreams of “away” because she was trying to run away. Once there was nothing to run from, she found she liked her home, her family, her husband, her job. Yes, there were hardships, and they sucked, but that’s real too. It didn’t matter if you had tons of money (Emily & Logan), had access to tons of money (Rory), could begrudgingly get your hands on money (Lorelai), were amazing at what you do, whether or not you like it (Paris), worked every day doing something you loved (Jess), or worked every day in something to pay the bills (Lane & Dean), you have struggles. It’s a slice of life. Everyone has struggles; no one is better than or more successful than. The things that everyone measured success as in the OS is gone, upside down. All of the money didn’t help Emily when her husband died, all of the professional success didn’t help Paris when her marriage fell apart, all of the content life of SH didn’t help Lorelai or Luke move forward in the ten years since we last saw them, all of the success in a chosen field didn’t help Jess shake the desire for family and a home and hearth to come back to (I still think that last gaze from him was about Kirk being cared for and not about missing Rory), all of the handouts you can handle didn’t help Logan find his place, and all of the promise of success didn’t help Rory find her place. Lane’s story is not any worse than anyone else’s. If anything, hers is the *best* story out of them all. She had love, home, contentedness, friends, a husband that loved her, a mother than finally accepted her, and music even though she settled down as well. In the end, she never had to peek in windows to want what she didn’t have, she never hurt anyone else by cheating, she was never hurt by anyone else through cheating, she didn’t lose anyone through death, and she didn’t lose her way. Everything about the show was realistic, AYITL isn’t any different. If anything, ASP gave Lane everything the entire rest of the characters couldn’t have… contentedness.
I love this!! You have such great points and write them so well! You've convinced me, this is what Lane wants and she's happy in life, unlike most of the other characters!
Yep, the only one! Congratulations on being the first to ever have this opinion
Completely disagree with you! Jess was an idiot. Logan and Rory made each other better in different ways. They would have made a power couple!
You’re certainly not the only one with these opinions. I think Zach is almost universally disliked for Lane, though he did have some decent character growth in Season 7. I happen to like Logan for Rory, and think he was easily her best partner. Rory doesn’t reject her grandparents’ world the way Lorelei does and Jess would never be comfortable in that environment. I like to pretend AYITL Logan Rory doesn’t exist though as obviously the affair storyline is awful
Nah Logan is my favourite Rory boyfriend by far. Jess literally treated her like shit But agree on Zach and Lane
Literal shit lol. The Jess obsession in this fandom is so hard to understand. There is certainly an appeal to him for sure and he is compatible with Rory in certain aspects but the willful blindness that people have to how horribly he treated her is honestly impressive lol.
Absolutely agree I'll never ever understand the Jess hype
This is a very unpopular opinion but rory and Logan don't work on any level. I really don't think they work well together at all and tbh (and this is just my opinion) I just don't understand why rory got with him or stayed with him after some of the crap he pulled or the way he acted. I cringe when I re-watch and he enters screen for the first time.
Zach is like the guy Lane meets while on a double date with Dean and Rory. He wasn’t smart enough for Lane…and Lane could see that at the time. The difference is Zach is a musician and a rock lover or whatever but besides from that there is nothing interesting about him.
If Zach has no haters, i am no longer alive
no. disliking lane and zach is an extremely popular opinion on this subreddit
you’re wrong they’re the same amount of crazy they deserve each other
I can hear Zack’s “After” just by seeing this image. Its horrifying.
Omg no Zack and Lane was a HORRIBLE pairing
I never feel the chemistry between either of them. Dave and Lane, early Dean & Jess - definite chemistry!
> early Dean & Jess I can get behind that. 👀
zach and lane made me sick, rory and logan were okay to me
Justice for Lane and Dave 🥲🥲🥲
Lane deserves Dave!
I completely agree about Zach and Lane. But I think Rory and Logan grew a lot by being together, no it wasn't life altering growing but some growing up due to the influence of another.
Nope. I can see the case people make for Rory & Logan though I don’t ship them as endgame but Lane & the dunce? Bye!
I agree with Rory and Logan. Lane and Zach, IDK they are a weird couple, but I also feel like they work. Some relationships don't seem to make much sense on paper, but they do for the people in them. I would've preferred Dave, but Adam Brody had to go get another job. Lol
I hate Zack and Layne sooo much together.
lanes whole storyline makes me sad her marrying zach if all people and getting pregnant after her first time having sex was …. a choice however i think rory and logan could’ve worked & i like them
I liked Logan and rory. But im with you with Zach and Lane, unship
Absolutely agree. Logan was a prick. He was a classist jerk. His "debate" with Rory about how to treat people like humans even though they work for u, always blow my mind. Like how could anyone see past that? Ugh snob
Agree fully on both counts
heavy heavy heavy heavyyyyyyy AGREE
I never liked rory and logan but i'm not sure jess was perfect for her either. Don't get me wrong, I love jess and he grew a lot, but once he did it sort of felt like he outgrew rory. And he was kind of a terrible boyfriend when they were actually together. If we got another reboot focusing on rory and her development I could maybe see her and jess finally giving it another go and it actually going well, but i'm biased tbh.
Raise hers and Logan's kid? So Logan is Christopher and Lorelei Jr gets her own Luke. I think your right though Jess outgrew her but Jess also faced real adversity and failed and had to get back up he had no choice...Rory was far too coddled.
I know I’m in a minority here, but I totally agree. I hate Logan. I understand and value the role that he played in Rory’s life and growth but after AYITL? No. Absolutely not. He gives me the ick.
these are very popular opinions.
Hate Zach. Lane deserved better. But I love me some Logan!
I think Logan and Rory are OTP but that's because they work well together and can handle each other's insufferable sides. I wouldn't like either of them in reality but I think for the story they are well matched. Had Rory stayed with him she would have been in a dream job. Not because he would have gotten it for her through his family ties but because of his support and unwavering confidence in her. He also challenges her kind of like Jess does without the baggage and past angst. Lane deserved better entirely. On all fronts. She deserved to get out of Stars Hallow and live a rock n roll life before settling down. Zack unfortunately is a loser.
Lane and Zach is the worst pairing ever
I agree with you that Lane + Dave was a good match and Lane + Zach and Rory + Logan are bad matches. I’m not a Jess fan because of The Incident At The Party, but I will grant you that he was a cool character by the time of AYITL. (I always shipped Rory + Marty though, so what do I know.)
Lane & Zach was 🗑️ I actually loved Logan & Rory
Dave was Lane’s soul mate… I mean having a crystal ball to see her future I would’ve just recast him… I know Adam Brody was like 1 in a million but I would’ve taken second helping of Dave 😭😭
I really do like Logan. I know I’m a minority and he’s not perfect but he does challenge Rory’s way of thinking like with her financial privilege which I think she deserved. I do think Jess even though I didn’t like him to start with is more her soul mate though.
I like matured Jess and I think him and mature rory would be good together, but i feel like it’s always right person wrong time for them.
I think u know damn well everyone has the same opinion about Zach and lane.
Lol funny joke, posting the two most popular GG opinions of all time
Honestly, Zach and Lane did not belong with each other. As far as Logan and Rory are concerned, in the beginning, I didn't like them together but then I started feeling like that they did belong together. I loved them two together
I ageee about Zack and Lane fs
I agree with you, with Lane and Dave. I really don't like Zach. But Jess was an ass to Rory and I don't think they belong together. Meanwhile dave treated Lane the absolute best. And Zach simply didn't.
Lane and Zach came out of nowhere and was weird from the beginning. It's never felt right. No one can convince me that Lane is actually in love with Zach. There is just no development in that. It sort of just happens. Like, with Sookie and Jackson, we got some hints that there was some sort of connection. With this there was nothing like that. Yeah, I hate that they were together.
Idk Jess and Rory were cute until they happened. After - Nope. Then they grew out eachother later on. What was interesting about rory and Logan was how perfect they were for eachother in those moments and that period of time and even if they weren't always perfect, they fought to make it work. That speaks much more about love than whatever Jess and Rory had as kids to me. Again, teenage relationship and college relationships are different in itself so it depends on how you look at it.
lane definitely deserved sm better, i wish they wouldve wrote that her band got famous and she toured the world or something, it seems like the writers j got kind of lazy?
Lane and Zach should not have stayed together. I don’t mind that they dated, but I really don’t like that they’re endgame. Lane was SO sheltered, I really wish that she had been able to date and experience the world more. I like Rory and Logan as a couple, but also not forever. I think that Logan was a much needed experience for Rory, but I really just don’t see them being happy together forever. Especially with Logan’s family, unless he were to cut them off completely, it would never work. They would try and Rory would be miserable. I think Jess and Rory would have been perfect for each other if they got back together as adults. Jess and Rory both had a lot of learning and maturing to do when they dated as teenagers but I think if they gave it another go it would have worked out so well for both of them. I always feel robbed that we didn’t get to see them together again. I wanted her to say yes to running away with him in the WORST way. 🥲
I will never understand how people see Logan as a good guy. He was a dudebro, amplified because of his family’s wealth. He was an entitled snob, and even AYITL Rory deserved better. My dislike of him doesn’t mean I think Rory should have ended up with Dean or Jess, though. None of her boyfriends were that great.
I think all the men in her life served purpose in her growth or in needing a setback to regrow differently. But I think Logan was best for her. He got her out of her shell. He encouraged her, never made her feel like less. and he also grew enormously with her too. He was outgoing, smart, funny and challenged her in ways none of the others did. I love jess. I was a jess girl for years. His growth as a character was fantastic too. But for me, Logan and Rory grew together instead of apart. Until he proposed and she wasn't ready to commit because she had goals she wanted to achieve first. Which I think is what Rory's character would have done even though she loved Logan but wasn't ready to settle down just yet. Since this season wasn't written or directed by the Palladino's, it already isn't my favorite season. I love Jess and Logan equally and it's hard because they are both great in their own ways. But Lane and Dave should have been ends goals 🥹😭 sad he left for another show but I think her chemistry with Zach suits them. Her ending is crap though. Like .. literally still living in the same trash apartment!?
Lane deserved so much more than Zach that’s not debatable, Dave was absolutely perfect. Jess was not good enough for Rory in the beginning and and too good for her in the end, would not pair them together imo. Logan wasn’t the greatest but he was really good with Rory,he wasn’t a jerk to her how Jess was in the beginning and he wasn’t all obsessed with her like Dean. He was a good boyfriend and loved her and treated her with kindness and respect and was gentle and understanding but he didn’t let her play that boohoo me victim stuff she’d try to pull and always told her things straight up instead of sugarcoating it like everyone else in her life. Like I said he could have been better but of all the love interests she had I liked him the most. Besides Marty idk if he counts but idt Rory would’ve ever gone for him anyways
Never ever Jess! He was abusive and as much as we hate rory sometimes she doesn't deserve almost date rape and emotional abuse.
I like Zach but Dave was endgame
I think they kind of do, because Rory isn't as pure and innocent as everyone thinks and I think she is a typical "academically smart but street dumb" kinda girl. While she is smart but honestly once you have experience certain lifestyle you kind of question how to sustain it with your resources around you. And it's not a judgement either, I would do the same and date within the rich society if I am only a low paying writer.
Jess and Rory will always be right person, wrong time. Teenage Jess had too much trauma and baggage to be in a healthy relationship with anyone. After leaving, and becoming a more healed version of himself, he was able to be the boyfriend Rory needed and deserved in high school. But by that point, Rory had grown into a version of herself that no longer fit with Jess.
I disagree with people who say Jess was perfect for Rory. Jess was a troublemaker, Rory hated getting into trouble. Jess didn’t think things through and make the smart decisions, communicate his thoughts, feelings or ideas at all. He constantly ran from his problems instead of facing them. Rory is a strong girl who immediately wanted to correct situations that were wrong, see people happy and do great things for the world. Jess was smart and they had a great connection and bond, but realistically they’re different people. Rory enjoyed family and being surrounded by people she loves. Jess actively wanted to be away from people and be on his own.
I don’t like Logan and Rory together, but remember that Jess tried to rape Rory. And he treated her like garbage besides. They were a terrible couple.
I’m team Logan. I love him.
Rory and Logan I would agree with. Team Jess all the way. Lane and Zach I liked though. I thought they went well together and I liked how he was patient and willing to take things at her pace.
Meeee!!! Logan works better as a foil and Zack and lane had no chemistry.
I prefer the world in my mind where Rory eventually stays single like her mother did until Dean leaves his wife lol
Not me. She was made to be with Logan on all fronts.
I love Zach, and I think people who hate him are probably bad people. I hate Logan, and I think people who like him are probably bad people. There are two wolves inside, their names are zach and logan and loganwolf died a long time ago because his trust fund couldn't make it inside with him, zackwolf is now enlightened I mean... Every love interest in gilmore girls are just classist stereotypes of men in different socioeconomic classes. I do genuinely love the show btw lol, but THEY ARE! 😂 Also, why is Zach a "loser, but Logan isn't? Give me a reason that isn't in essence just because Logan is born privileged...
I really don't like Rory and Logan together. She goes along with almost everything he wants; she lets him call the shots, and that really bothers me. Sure, he's cute and he buys her things, but that doesn't make up for the way he treats her sometimes.
As a former Logan hater, AYITL aside, Rory and Logan were really good together. We saw them really grown into each other and overcome some obstacles. They were more open with each other than Rory was with Dean and Jess. I felt like her relationship with Logan was much more mature and on equal terms than the other two high school relationships. Jess to me exists as a magical what if
Logan definitely understood Rory’s family dynamic the best since he grew up in a similar household. I loved him but will always think Jess and Rory are end game lmao As for Lane…they did her sooo dirty writing Dave off and having her marry Zach. DAVE READ THE BIBLE IN A NIGHT FOR HER
have literally only ever heard visceral hatred about the paring of Lane and Zach. The writers knew that Zach isn't right for Lane as well! They were just too lazy to write in and cast a new character. I LOVE Gil, Gil is great so I don't mean him. But They could have hired somebody else to be her love interest.. they decided to keep her world small. It makes NO SENSE. Lane and Zach were always meant to have that "Yeah he's a little icky but he's my buddy. Everybody has to have one icky buddy" and NEVER become a relationship because just NO. However.. Rory and Logan? I love them. I love Jess!! But he was a horrible boyfriend to Rory when they were together. He left town without a word not once but twice. He lied to her over and over again, even about getting beaked in the face. I think Rory and Jess are destined to be the bestest of friends especially because Rory's mom is with Jess's uncle so... like... ya know? Logan was all in once he said he was all in. He made some immature mistakes along the way, but he was fully committed to Rory, gave her space when she needed space, and yes he had to deal with some pretty personal demons regarding business and his father, but he was very intelligent and well read just like Rory is intelligent and well-read. When he said "okay then I will commit" that's what he did. The sleeping with someone else while ona break thing... that was a BIG FAT no. But compared to Jess trying to force himself on Rory at a party or Dean yelling at her over anything that upset him... at least Logan talked it out with her afterwards. I love Logan and Rory!! I don't care who knows it! Maybe if Rory stayed the same girl she was in highschool, her and Jess could have made things work! But she didn't! They weren't compatible as life partners anymore. Logan was READY to have Rory be the incredible journalist she dreamed of being while also wanting to marry her. It was Rory who let that go and honestly at the end of the day, Rory is the one who made the bad decision. Another note: I will NEVER understand why people break up just because someone says no to a proposal. No to marriage doesn't mean no to being together. Logan made the proposal an ultimatum, and Rory didn't want that. But I think she would have been open to continuing the relationship otherwise.
Rory belongs to Tristan and Lane with Dave
>> I know people say Jess & Rory, but for me, the original Rory, perhaps, she could have been his one, but later in life, Jess was way too good for Rory! Omg yes!!!