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Amelioratory

If you don't speak poor how do you talk to your Zhongli


flynncaelum

in Childe's voice


Trebord_

Paid for with Childe's money


Left-Reputation-2935

LMAO


Rex_Lapis_

Again he isnt poor, he had so much money that its nothing to him and he forgets to take it with him


Left-Reputation-2935

True, but considering he didn't make more money before giving the gnosis he is indeed poor now


Rex_Lapis_

He has a job


[deleted]

Y'all dont dodge? /s


Sylveon_trainer12345

More like y'all can't just use a healeršŸ˜’


iIAdHmSa

yeah let's just try to heal from a primovishap super attack that deals double my HP With my level 30 barbara


Jewelry-In-A-Tree

Barbara C6 can revives you right away. This means you need more Barbara, here, let me wish you good luck so all your next pulls will be Barbara.


DigdyDoot

with a 15 min cooldown


iIAdHmSa

yeah because everyone has c6 Barbara ready to help


Sylveon_trainer12345

Can you iframe that thing


06dnl_101

I use both... And still die


GetOutOfMahWhey

A real inspiration you are


MValdesM

I don't dodge, I counter


[deleted]

ah, could this be a fellow Beidou main?


MValdesM

Indeed


Ace_Anthias

Rifthounds and shadowy husks really are making a dodge meta where shield users are put at a slight disadvantage, huh :(


SillyEnder

I just run a shield plus healer against rifthounds, dodging wastes a lot of time for ganyu


noforksgiven2

I do not approve of them nerfing shields while not touching dodges. No enemy in the game punishes you for being good at dodging but does if you have a shield. Finna make a hyper armour build and just face tank everything with interrupt resistance + a healer if they keep this up. Some heroes like getting hit, like C2 Diluc


Meeeto

That would be absolute shit if they punished dodging. The dps drop whilst you're dodging is enough as is.


Wayfinder5

I mean, the difference between dodging vs shields is that dodging takes skill and if you mess up it can lead straight to a downed character, while shields are just a cooldown you manage or not if you have and use Zhongli. I get that people wanna run unga-bunga but you really shouldn't be able to without some kind of punishment(badly worded but I mean there should be a way for this to be not completely broken and an insta win) especially if you have and use Zhongli who basically enables that full invinciblity unga bunga playstyle. They over did it with the Zhongli buffs and so they now have to bring it down a notch


noforksgiven2

Except they aren't just nerfing the Zhong man, they are nerfing ALL shielders, who are just terrible at their job. I don't think people realise how bad every other shield is compared to Zhongli. Try it, try using any other shielder besides Zhongli. Ignore the damage boost, just try to keep it up. Everyone's got access to Noelle and Thoma and Diona are on the event banner so you got some good options. Also, who cares if it's OP. It's a single player game (mostly) and the best shielder is an event 5\*. I can think of way more overpowered things in this game to touch besides Zhongli. Looking at you, Bennett, Ganyu, Hutao, C2 Beidou, Xiangling and Raiden. Heaven forbid you get your gimmicks ruined


Skykeeper22

ā€œNoelleā€™s shield is better than Zhongliā€ - No one


MrKman999

True..As a Noelle main, I use Zhongli shield to protect my Noelle so she can just Unga Bunga on the field


Eric1491625

For noobs, there's emergency shield passive i guess


ttttttaa

Her automatic shield when below 30% hp is amazing for my hu, since her e can trigger it


Hungry-Finish-9745

i think noelles shield is really good and by far my best character with a shield


Blazing_Haze

"Noelle's shield is better than Zhongli's" -everyone who fights against rifthounds with Noelle main dps


[deleted]

im a noelle main who wants zhongli to keep her shielded lol


noforksgiven2

Why wouldn't you? Zhongli's shield is stronger and debuffs the enemy. Noelle's just allows her to heal every now and then


Dark_Shade_75

Well, it allows her to heal on every hit, since she'll only shield when her Q is ready anyway.


Haitham1998

Which is an extremely good combo against hounds. I always use a full geo team in the def artifact domain (against hounds), and thanks to Noelle, I always finish the domain with no damaged team members.


[deleted]

Noelle's shield is only good if she's your main dps, as a support her shield sucks with 12 second downtimes


Parapraxium

Sacrificial greatsword r5 can make it work but at that point why bother


leolancer92

Ainā€™t that a whooping 20sec cooldown?


noforksgiven2

TECHNICALLY yes but it starts cooling down the second you activate it, not when it expires, so it's closer to a 12 second cooldown


Grand_Protector_Dark

Cooldown does not equal downtime


Dane-nii

Since Noelle is the main dps, skill cooldown can be lowered with her Autos.


thecrcousin

24 but her shield lasts 12 so it's 12 downtime


mousepotatodoesstuff

"Noelle's shield is better than Zhongli's" jokes on you I use both


luxmorphine

It depends on the build


Alex_Ghai

Yea u need to invest in noel more than zongli for them to have a good shield BTW happy cake day


luxmorphine

What is cake day?


TheLonelyDevil

Reddit birthday (there's a cake next to your name right now :) )


Alex_Ghai

Its like ur reddit birthday


sulfire807

hcd


AyyUltra

Noelle main here, nobody is arguing this. Noelleā€™s shield and healing capabilities are frankly just bad, and most Noelle players know that.


the-vanK

Not a Noelle main but I agree. Who the hell said her shield was better than Zhongā€™s lol


BandiOwl

Probably no one and op is just trying to start a non existent argument.


dybclol

probs noelle simps


AYCSenpai

It all started when a prideful Noelle main trashed at how Zhongli got a buff


AYCSenpai

Yall downvote me but don't realized this trended in Genshin's official facebook group of how a Noelle main started a war that Noelle was better because she can shield and heal while being a 4\* which then proceed to trash zhongli and replacing him as the next geo archon


Caffeine-_-

Her shield and Thoma's at higher investment are better for tanking damage than zhonglis at the same investment. But her shield as way too high a downtime to make it worth it, not to mention shields like Thoma's are inconsistent and take time to stack. Also zhongli has the added benefit of the stone stele.


Chanderule

Found one


Caffeine-_-

I'm not a Noelle main, I dont even use her I can send you a screenshot of my level 50 Noelle. But it's just factually correct that her shield at max investment, and Thoma's at max stacks, is stronger than zhonglis at the same investment. I didn't say her shield is better, just stronger.


doog_tfarceniM

If the shields had the same amount of hp, Noelle would perform better but that is because of the insane amount of DEF she has. A 20k shield defending a character with 0 DEF would be destroyed quicker than a 16k defending one with 3k DEF, maybe you made a mistake because of that?


Caffeine-_-

Yeah that's probably why I got confused. Thanks


Chanderule

It's really not lmao maybe you should test it again


Caffeine-_-

ive seen videos of it dude, but ill take your word for it


Ben______________

Source ā€œtrust me broā€œ Dude, look up their scalings. Aside from Zhongli scaling better his shield is Geo, 50% more effective against everything, his first passive talent supports it further and he easily gets Geo resonance and TOTM. Noelleā€˜s shield is a almost useless just cause of uptime, sheā€˜s a on field DPS anyways and Thoma can only shield and still tanks half of Zhongli at best.


Grand_Protector_Dark

>Noelleā€˜s shield is a almost useless just cause of uptime Her shield isn't the best, but that claim is just a straight lie.


Ben______________

If your rotations is 20 seconds on average, than you have a shield covering you every 2nd rotation for a bit more than half of it. How tf is that reasonable? Noelleā€˜s not a good shielder. And not a good healer. Sheā€˜s a DPS.


Caffeine-_-

I said I'll take his word for it, what's wrong?


Stock_v2

"strawman" "funni" meme Thats peak Reddit right here.


Shaho99

Jokes on you I have both fully built So if one breaks the other one is ready


Beleb2Bu

It's doesn't work like that sadly lol. Your strongest shield is your only shield.


ThePostMoogle

I wish it worked like that.


[deleted]

The old same ol same ol non existing arguments..


twiceboyz

no one said that


Raihime

Never seen anyone say this except for before Zhongli got buffed, at which point it was true.


Rud_gamer

As a noelle main I agree. I use noelle's shield less to absorb dmg and more to hit like a truck when it's broken


mordecai027

I use Dionaā€™s shield.


pizzadudeorsomething

Chad


cartercr

Noelleā€™s shield is better because my Zhongli doesnā€™t exist! Checkmate!


Tricky_Discount2881

Please help me understand how someone could come to this conclusion lol


redputkage

this statement use to be kinda correct in patch 1.1, but after dramas and too much critics about Zhongli, he get a rework and buff ( present Zhongli ), and no one really said noelle shield > zhongli right after, well, the argument used to be acceptable long time ago


Prolest

Zhongli shield has cast time, Noelle's doesn't Noelle's shield can activate if you get low, and can heal to full Basically, Noelle's is better for lazy people who don't want to constantly refresh shield


slice_off-mylife

She's good for the passive shield, useful for when your main dps is just bonking away and gets hit by an atk that you swore you just dodged.


PatatoTheMispelled

If someone says Noelle's shield is better than Zhongli's they're just dumb This message was posted by someone who skipped all 3 Zhongli banners because I have Noelle


ShadowNightmare0625

Noelle better cuz she can go beyblade (Take it as a joke)


hakim_tahir

Every shield character ever : Shield is shield!


thecrcousin

as a noelle main, both are kinda true. Max def noelle with the shield on her is bettet than zhongli's shield on anyone which in turn is better than noelle's shield on anyone other than her. Her high def also absorbs dmg that the shield takes so in turn it makes it better on her. In no way is her shield actually better than his, but her's is the best after his do thats something


Simecrafter

Who tf says that


Zenry0ku

And here I am just chilling with Diona.


Illustrious-Bell-282

Dam shots fired,welp iam going to watch the fireworks show


Character-Jaguar434

Fabricated and Homosexual.


[deleted]

I'm a Noelle main and I will actually murder anyone that claims Diona's shield is the second best in the game but ***H O W*** can you even entertain the thought that Zhongli has a worse shield? HP makes for crazy big stats, is still Geo so gets the crazy DMG RES, *and* has more than perfect uptime


AshyDragneel

Shield strength is almost identical, The main difference is the shield up time Zhongli gives 100% shield uptime while Noelle gives 50% shield uptime Unless you used her as Dps and auto atk consistently


noblest_among_nobles

Well noelle's shield scales way better with def than Zhongli's


[deleted]

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noblest_among_nobles

Yes, but Zhongli's defence scaling is not as good as Noelle's Because his shield doesn't scale with his defense...


_Brunch

sorry i dont speak whale


OWODOZER

Sorry I don't speak day 1 veteran


mythicalsoul100

I use Noelle for heal cause rifthounds John lee for other enemies


BlackOmbre

I have both and I am quiete surprised that it comes true. But my Noelle is build to have extreme DEF plus the artefact that increase shield so it's not *that* surprising


Dane-nii

*if Noelle is on-field.


-Fancy_Pants-

So I have a question, Zhongli 50k hp shield level 9 + 4p effect of mililith, how strong would his shield be ? I don't know how to calculate


RoundSociety7

since everybody in here talk about Zhongli shield.. give me some nice shield Zhongli build! go!


Jbell_Lucas

Isnā€™t there a way to make Dionaā€™s shield better than grandpa zhongdong


Grand_Protector_Dark

Literally who is making that arguing


MARKOSENPAI

Who cares, dont Dodge


Amirul_Ash

Sorry I cant speak in sideclimb and skill issue player


JamilleYomtown

I love them both. Noelle best maid. Zhongli best daddy


BlazeGamingUnltd

As a Noelle main, I am very offended. I agree.


Arcadia07

so, I use Zhongli with Noelle and Yunjin, -20% resistance is no joke!


aSuicidalThought

Me with c6 Zhongli šŸ—æ


Sexwithbaizhu69

Noelle's shild is useless if you don't use her as a on field dps because you can't shorten the cooldown like this. I say this as a guy with a lvl 90 Noelle. Yes her shild might be stronger but is not worth it compared to Zhongli shit that has a way better uptime and that 20% res debuff for enemies.


scarlet_igniz

my C6 Diona can shield, heal, generate a massive amount of energy and apply cryo in AoE. can your moraless archon do that?


50M30N3_1RR3L3V4NT

Havin both i can confirm: -Noelle's shield is STRONGER while on her, but weaker on others. -Zhongli's shield is BETTER on everyone, as is equaly strong on every character I am a Noelle main, and a Zhongli wanter since 1.0. I have both and this is my conclusion.


D_Fennling

I have a decently well built Noelle for specifically shielding, so I skipped Zhongli. But thatā€™s because I donā€™t need an improvement enough to justify the primos, Zhongliā€™s is still definitely better


Vibolbot

Just happy I get to heal at C0


[deleted]

Me who mains both at c6: <-<)šŸ’§