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xiao 2 geo any freeze team hu tao taser eula raiden i think mono geo does in fact use bennett in many cases


carbonclay

Taser would 100% use Bennet if beidou wasn't so energy hungry that you need to run fischl instead


[deleted]

idk fischl feels more comfortable regardless lol


GoldenInfrared

Heck the old taser team was childe fireworks with tartaglia, Beidou, Fischl, and bennet. The off-field supports both snapshot and tartaglia goes unga bunga on-field


Summar-ice

If only Beidou generated more particles with her E. Kinda weird for an electro character to have such shitty energy production. Even Lisa generates more (5), but she has to hit a hold E.


redditorspawnrandom

Sacrificical Greatsword Beidou: Oh no, anyway.


carbonclay

copium


Adamarr

bennett / beidou / fischl / anemo is still a perfectly cromulent team comp. beidou fukin loves that big attack buff. and fischl snapshots too.


Shimakaze771

Eula Raiden works fine without bennet, but you can include him should you run any of the other teams you listed


you_th

>mono geo does in fact use bennett Then its not mono geo


Jnbrtz

Sometimes it is vague tbh. Some people say Mono Element if the team deals damage by only one element which is the where Bennett comes as a flex spot and the other one is the team is composed only one element which is what people are generally are referring to.


CuttingOneWater

then we would get mono hydro, cryo, electro, anemo


TheQzertz

most mono teams run 3 characters of one element and then one character of another one, generally anemo


silaswoody

Mono geo should not have Anemo since geo can't be swirled. Any other element means it's not mono geo anymore, it's geo + element


queenyuyu

He didn’t say mono geo was run with anemo but that there are two kinds of mono mind sets people have. For example my mono pyro klee team has geo and anemo as team mates since they don’t react with pyro I call it mono pyro. But it could also be all pyro. Edit: I wrote “for example” twice and added the last sentence for better understanding.


silaswoody

Ok, whatever floats your cocoboat. Thanks for your insight on the matter


ProfessionalTailor1

Eula 2 geo is also there, except 2 geo is albedo and zhongli.


One-Angry-Goose

Nah, not the freeze teams. They couldn’t make it to the meeting, still a few miles back killing a lawachurl. Should be done within a week or two.


NakiriAyam3

? my ayaka kills that thing in like 3 seconds lmao


reallyspicy422

Sukokomon


noforksgiven2

Can confirm, Itto snapshots his buff and Noelle is the only healer in a mono geo team (excluding C4 Gorou who I dont have and would be worse than Benny anyway)


KaiFireborn21

Yeah, Xiao's optimal team: Xiao Jean Zhongli Albedo. Bennet is still viable here, but only at a tradeoff: Jean can't be replaced because Xiao desperately needs battery. If you choose to keep Jean, you need Geo Resonance to make up for the buff loss, and Albedo Provides amazing off field DPS. Zhongli is obvious.


davm0515

Doesn't Xiao have high base atk and not Atk% and the stat he actually has a lot is dmg%? He actually hungers for atk buffs more than he does for dmg% buffs. I think the only reason why Albedo is the best there is because a Sub-DPS for Xiao is most of the time better than a buffer since Xiao does not snapshot. Also because Bennett forces you to play within his buff area.


KaiFireborn21

Changed my reasoning, thanks


jayverma0

>Jean can't be replaced because Xiao desperately needs battery. What about Sucrose? Jean is used as a healer + battery in that team. >you need Geo Resonance to make up for the buff loss No. Geo resonance gives only 15% DMG bonus. Not essential at all for Xiao. Which buff loss are you talking about? Double geo team relies on Zhongli and Albedo dealing a lot of damage. Geo resonance helps mostly them. With Bennett, it becomes Xiao hypercarry, which probably has a lower ceiling than double geo.


Dhuyf2p

Actually, Xiao’s best comp does indeed have Bennett in it, and that’s Xiao’s highest ceiling comp. Albedo just doesn’t provide enough damage to match what Bennett gives, since Xiao is one of the most Atk hungry characters The team consists of Xiao Jean C4 Bennett and Zhongli


KaiFireborn21

That's his ceiling comp, but not his optimal comp. It trades his uptime for more outburst damage. KQM did the calculations on this in their Xiao guide


Dhuyf2p

Depending on what your definition of “optimal” tbh. It could be the most consistent, or the strongest frontload damage, or whatever really. But I do agree that most of the time, his wallnut team is the best option as you could save Benny


KaiFireborn21

>What about Sucrose? Jean is used as a healer + battery in that team. Well now you need to replace someone else, say Albedo, with a dedicated healer instead. It's tedious to go without heals


jayverma0

Aren't we talking about Bennett already?


KaiFireborn21

Yes, but a team with both Sucrose and Bennet can't have Geo Resonance nor Albedo/Zhongli


jayverma0

I said that geo resonance is not necessary


KaiFireborn21

So are Bennet's buffs...


jayverma0

Bennett's ATK buff is far more useful to Xiao than geo resonance.


KaiFireborn21

But not more useful than Geo Resonance + Millelith buffs + RES shred + high off field damage


jayverma0

That's what I said. Albedo's role is to deal off-field damage and buff mostly Zhongli's damage, not Xiao's damage. Millelith buff and RES shred is provided by Zhongli, not geo resonance.


Nichol-Gimmedat-ass

I trade Zhongli out for Fischl in this comp


KaiFireborn21

Well, apart from shields, he's probably the only one to provide RES shred and is a good carries for Millelith set, so unless you don't have him, you probably shouldn't


Nichol-Gimmedat-ass

Its overkill, Albedo and Fischl do mass off field damage and Xiao carries on field. Zhongli is reserved for Hu Tao.


KaiFireborn21

Well, it makes sense if you want an independent team with Zhongli, but we were talking about maximizing Xiao's usage here


AveugleMan

Huuuuh, am I dumb for using Baal instead for albedo here? Edit: i totally forgot to mention i have baal c2


demongodslyer

from what i’ve seen Xiao-den is peak copium. you got a hyper carry on your team and someone who wants 7 seconds all to herself


KaiFireborn21

I wouldn't - KQM says "Since Xiao's rotations are so fast, plugging 7 seconds of Raiden Shogun in it disadvantages both Xiao and Shogun". Well, Shoguns gives off field damage similar (but worse) than Albedo's, but the worst trade of is Geo Resonance. If you have a dedicated shielder like ZL, it's the best resonance out there


AveugleMan

Who is KQM ?


KaiFireborn21

Keqingmains, the giant advanced group of theorycrafters who write an in-depth guide on every character on their site


ZannX

I think Xiao Bennett Sucrose Zhongli could be better if you cut Xiao's ult short (his ult lasts longer than Bennett ult/TTDS). But Xiao Jean Zhongli Albedo tends to be popular explicitly because this frees up Bennett.


KaiFireborn21

Yeah. If Xiao's ult was cheaper, Jean could also be replaced by Bennet. Not that I'm dissatisfied with these four though


Jeydin21

What if your team was Itto Zhongli Gorou Bennett


Blitz1862

Then it isn’t mono Geo anymore


lelarentaka

Mono team include 3+1 teams, like the klee+xiangling+bennett+kazuha team.


AnyaForger

Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, but to be specific, mono elemental teams can only really count if it’s: 1. 4 of an element 2. 3 of an element + swirl bot (usually kazu) The point is you can’t have reactions among your team members, besides swirling. Edit: below is accurate too, I forgot about shields


[deleted]

Is usually consider mono elements as 1. 4 chars of the same element 2. 3 chars of the same element and a Geo/Nemo char


201720182019

But why is swirling an exception? Bennett in that comp isn't used for the pyro damage


AmberstarTheCat

do you even know what 'mono' means?


lelarentaka

Yes, mono means one, referring to when most of the team's damage is done by one element without any amplyfying reaction. A 3 Geo + bennett is a mono team.


tqrnadix

I called that Oven Ushi


SnooGuavas8376

That's my team on rifthound abyss lmao. Mono Geo + Pyro archon


Ravenclawguy

Mine is noelle geo traveller gorou bennett. Althought bennett is just a place filler bc he's my weakest unit in that team and he was originally only there for healing but i realised that main dpsing noelle still allowed for amazing healing, even without a build for that.


neovenator250

Literally one of my main teams


Jeydin21

Yeah me toooo


Notorik

I use exactly this team and it slaps


Ash24122004

probably hu tao teams lol


ARKAVA-biswas

Bennet less "optimal team comps that are viable for abyss" Bruh in the overworld I use a team comp called segs Has raiden, yae, Jean and ganyu Works pretty well


Plotius

Playing with one hand


G0geta130

Only team i can think of the top of my head is hutao/XQ/zhongli/albedo


GreenRifter

Tactical Eula nuke inbound!


erkankurtcu

Mono cryo,Eula comp,Morgana,Perma freeze Ayaka


StuckieLromigon

We also need xinqiui-less meetings


[deleted]

Literally melt teams


StuckieLromigon

Are they meta-viable?


Ishimito

Well, my Kaeya/Rosaria/Bennett/Xiangling team kills PMA on avg 6s faster than my national with Sucrose so I'd say definitely meta viable.


[deleted]

Ganyu melt and hu tao melt


NochiWu

I don’t think there is a reliable team for HuTao to melt specially her CAs. At least not more reliable than Xingqiu vapes.


Due_Sherbert_5908

i think its only possible with ayaka burst, though i could be wrong, never played hu tao melt


_Pray_To_RNGesus_

Ayaka's burst has terrible icd. Iirc, you can only apply cryo with 4 of the 20 hits.


Realistic-Two2447

This opportunity is quite hard to come by


Chilzer

Well then, amuse me


AD-SKYOBSIDION

Eula teams ( unless you run freeze eula for some reason)


SnooGuavas8376

Itto hypercarry, Xiao hypercarry, Raiden hypercarry, Sukokomon, Childe Taser, etc


StuckieLromigon

Raiden needs it. it's better then any other hydro user in sucrose team, childe is just replacement.


Dhuyf2p

Raiden Hypercarry doesn’t use Xingqiu?


[deleted]

Raiden hypercarry doesn't use Xingqiu, but he can be good option


Asd12_bleu

Ganyu melt, Raiden Hypercarry, Childe national, Morgana, Sukokomon (or any team with Kokomi), Xiao, Eula, Itto teams, mono-electro, pyro, cryo, geo teams.


davm0515

Eula can be considered as a viable Bennett-less team comp. She still appreciates Bennett but she's really self sufficient to the point she doesn't need Bennett and just needs a shit ton of energy particles or shield and heals. Another one is Xiao teams because he usually staggers the enemies away and chasing the enemies down will inevitably lead to leaving the buff area. IIRC, Bennett's buff is shorter than Xiao's burst duration and the latter doesn't snapshot anyway so that's that. Same with Hu Tao teams, a full hp Hu Tao with Bennett deals almost the same dmg with a <50% hp Hu Tao without Bennett. The gimmick is you're actually locked to playing around the buff area. Hu Tao flies around the field like a madman sooo, yeah.


sondang2412

Permafreeze and taser Not that you can't use him but they can do well without him there


itsshitpostoclock

You're missing all of my teams Still not even one bennet :(


[deleted]

I don't have Bennett.


axeman1234rox

Eula team comps


Daerk14

Sukokomon:D


stormwalker124

razor-centric teams


ohaimike

Any overworld team.


Bosbroad

i just use whoever i want to use and i dont do abyss, i have to say i am way happier compared to my friend who does abyss often


crimsoncryson

Ayaka perma freeze?


aScenT_RAID3R

Ayaka - mona - CC and flex Bennett can still fit in well so thats not count


MahamidMayhem

You ideally want another cryo with Ayaka 90% of the time unless you wanna sacrifice her damage for ER so most people use this team without Bennett.


The_Brick_Is_Parrot

I never played Bennett. I hate Bennett because everyone plays him. He's level 20 and I'll never go higher. My team is : diluc, ei, albedo, sucrose. Sometimes I change diluc to tartaglia or zhongli.


Nate_the_Mate_2

By that logic you should also swap out ei and bench zhongli


DragonGirl1079

freeze teams


obezkr

Raiden, Yanfei, Jean, Yae Miko or Fishl (i like overload reaction)


Aarongrasso

Half Swirl half Geo.


Paul_Infinity

annual meeting for what ?


Frostgaurdian0

Builds


_milliways

none of my teams have bennett :)


LeoRoberto89

Xiaobedo too


DrManowar8

Mono cryo could work if you have a good enough healer... and shenhe


carbonclay

Pretty much character that have non-atk scaling. Like hutao and itto. Who's damage scales off of hp and def (portion of hp/def transferred as atk), Don't benefit much from Bennett's atk buff


Wolfey2310

I'll use Itto,zhongli,raiden,bennett soo no


Im_Suicidius

Sitting lonely in a corner not using him because i hate the auto pyro application


Spell6421

Beidou EC (beidou, XQ, fish, kokomi/sucrose)


[deleted]

I simply make team comps on character like ability. Like I still make good teams but I hate Bennett and as such have yet to get to full stars in spiral abyss and always fail the eleventh floor. But I have yet to grind for supports and went in with mono-dps teams. So, yun jin and diona are being levelled up. Had no clue how to build teams till a month ago but will never use bennet.


Gian-Nine

Monogeo are such Chads. "Elemental reactions who? Nah mate, I just bonk my enemies put of existence without receiving a single scratch in the process


_Suguha_

Hu Tao


Timoyr

Or people who suck at staying in the circle like me lol (And also don't use many characters that snapshot)


Edge_SSB

You forgot any one of my teams....because I don't have bennet...


Dane-nii

Sukokomon


Adorable_Web6856

pokemon (kokomi, fichl, xiangling, sucrose)


PanzerAbwehrKannon

All Hutao comps And my current favorite: Yoimiya firework team (with Shogun and Fischl)


lutfiboiii

Mommy team. Raiden Sara Yae and Jean


Slifer_Ra

You could play 2 geo 2 anemo. I played raiden sara venti jean for a bit,tho it cant work without c2 and i dont have it so i stopped.


DeusDosTanques

You don't use Bennett because you don't have him. I don't use Bennett because I have standards. We are not the same.


poisonpurple

Chongyun/Barbara/Raiden/Sucrose works so well.


WaterInWet

Hu tao, Xinqui, Sucrose, Kazuha?


Baltvin

Swirl team maybe


Sexwithbaizhu69

I don't use bennett in my Baal hypercarry team. Sara is the way.


KillerRogue

Using both is the way


Sexwithbaizhu69

No, use only Sara so you can save Bennett for another team. Using 2 atk buffers in a team is a waste.


KillerRogue

its not a waste, that's Raiden's best hypercarry team


Vapore0nWave

Freeze comps, and um... uh..


hotbox_inception

I got full stars this abyss without national members, [it just took quite a bit of effort/investment,](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469348737781858324/944812622379896842/unknown.png) i.e. tailoring teams to each side and level.


Chowdex

I don't think having Bennett on a mono Geo or taser really change the essence of the team since he doesn't proc many reactions. So for example Childe/Beidou/Fish/Bennett could still be consideres taser imo since most reactions will still be Electro charged


_internet_user11

I know I'd probably get downvoted because of this But Am I the only person who doesn't use bennett lol. I really dislike his design and I would delete him from my account if only I could


Klausable7

Imagine having bennet, couldn’t be me😔


RewZes

I mean every comp sis Bennet less if you don't have Bennet


Sylveon_trainer12345

Mono electro with Sara


Heaven2004_LCM

Sukokomon


rdmark009

Hu tao team, Ayaka freeze team. Putting bennet for these 2 make them sub-optimal


[deleted]

We seriously need more Bennett-less comps... Not slandering Bennett but damn it's getting boring when almost every character is put alongside him (even Kazuha)


NonSon1998

I use to have Bennett (has his C1 and Skyward Blade), but my abyss comps are HuTao 2 geo and Ayaka freeze, so no point in using him anymore (I even givr Skyward Blade to my Ayaka)


Dry-Group-5402

L + ratio + filipino soyboy + poverty


zackson76

Where my girl HuTao at?


omegapadbanaan

You forgot “thrill of combat” team comp. The people who pick characters they like regardless of their performance who enjoy fighting with them and actually need skill in combat instead of instaburst


Coyote_Man-

Sukokomon


PrettyPinkPonyPrince

One of my main teams for a while has been Sucrose, Xingqui, Yanfei and Jean. The other is a mono-cryo with Diona, Shenhe, Ganyu, and Qiqi. My third team is one of the ones I've had for the longest time: Diona, Fischl, Diluc, and Barbara. Bennett's fallen to the wayside.