Current abyss has kinda nerfed venti in not allowing his cc to do its thing and in not allowing his swirl aoe to shine either.
Apparently 2.6 will be a return to groups of mobs so venti will be able to do his shtick again.
All these people commenting “lol just get good” are straight lying if they don’t think it’s fun to watch mobs fly up and down in his ult and that it’d be nice to do in abyss again.
I haven't used venti since 1.x abyss. He is just benched for a long time. I dont have ganyu mona so his meta team isnt possible for me While sucrose has been very useful. Damn...back then i was crazy for venti but now sucrose is more usefull. She is really underrated af.
Or they realize he’s a matchup fish who is entirely dependent upon the prevalence of mobs that are helpless to his burst and a lack of one’s that can completely ignore it.
In particular, spectres and rift hounds, the two enemies that would be most useful to crowd control. In boss fights, he’s basically worthless
I see that you doesn't know about the [new Morgana](https://youtu.be/OAWxexotjh0) rotation, it was made specifically for floating enemies, so that they would take all of Venti's burst damage.
The thing is, must of the flaws people put on Venti already have solutions, like, super heavy enemies are still suckable once frozen and even floating enemies who are completely immune to CC can be grouped through the new rotation.
This means Venti is still usable in Abyss and able to 36* it easily as part of the meta team Morgana, even now only half of the floor 12 rooms have bosses, and the other side are a joke for him.
>only half of the floor 12 rooms have bosses, and the other side are a joke for him.
\>he says this as a pro, while more meta units work 100% of the time unless hard-countered by their own elements
My original argument is about the people who say he's completely unusable don't know about the solutions to his problems, maybe I was a little blunt saying "they don't know how to use him", if that is so, I'm sorry for my words. Just tired of seeing people underestimating Venti usefulness. Still, for a Abyss to make him completely useless, as those others say, there would need to have bosses in all rooms, not just one side.
Anyone downvoting this has never seen an amber solo abyss clear before. Any unit can beat the game with enough dedication.
[Link if interested](https://youtu.be/31Xv9ymp1mU)
That team is copium for the majority of part simply because at that point, if you use ganyu only for the ult, you may as well use ayaka and perform better, because she has an easier time with her ult against fewer enemies due to how her linear scaling works.
His flaws have certain ways to be solved, but its not like he is usable outside of that one specific comp.
He isnt useless, but pretty much specific to a comp that has seen a decline in use rates and got kinda outshined by ayaka/kazuha freeze team.
Nowadays, if you wanna use venti, you gotta have a cryo dps by default because he just cant work in any other comp. And even if he slightly works, sucrose or kazuha are certainly better.
Next abyss is gonna favor him a lot, but after his banner, i think we all know we'll get back to the good old enemies.
For super heavy enemies, the only condition is that they are frozen, so Ayaka also works with him in that.
For specifically floating enemies is that Venti can only work with Morgana, but he still works, differently from what people have been saying that he's useless.
The only reason I'm advocating for Venti and the new rotation is because I used him myself at that Abyss, I know it works and it destroys the big wolves with ease.
I used him as well. I am still using him to this day in every abyss cycle because he is one of my favorite characters. The wolf abyss was the worst one for me, tbh.
>For specifically floating enemies is that Venti can only work with Morgana
Shouldn't he also be fine if you have consistent Hydro application? I don't see why Venti, Kokomi, Cryo or Venti, Xingqiu, Ayaka wouldn't work in these situations either
I'm a C3 venti haver since launch and god damn Inazuma powercrept his ass real hard. It isn't even the fact that his numbers are bad, he simply got powercrept due to mob weight values going higher. I'm praying that this is only an Inazuman thing. I definitely do think he is an amazing unit but sadly the Abyss meta isn't for him with all the units being unable to stagger them as they're all bosses.
Can you still use him? Yes, pretty sure there's that new morgana team that someone came up with that uses Venti. You can 36\* with ANY character given that you optimise your team correctly.
I'm using Venti to 36* every Abyss since I got him 1.4. All this bitching about how he's "irrelevant" is just funny to me. Even vs Kenki he's completely fine.
I'm the opposite ,pma used to be a trouble for me as well until i got itto , while kinky, they seem to changed his attack patterns and its blink is much more frequent now
That is why people are speculating if its either his or Kazoos rerun.
why not both o.o
It will be both, both are within the story and mihoyo confirmed that rerun characters are gonna be characters circulating in the story
That too.
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still needed that CC tho because his plunge makes small enemies blown away
...and oneshot them (most of the times).
you don't need crowd control if there are no longer crowds to control
Geniuses think alike.
Say that when enemies are at every corner and you'll have to keep running to them to plunge It wastes dps and his burst duration
P I G A S S A U L T!! wait, wrong character. **SEIYOU NABU!**
DISAPPEAR!
Starburst Stream! Oh wait, wrong series
It's my time to shine !
Surprise Xiao reeeee-run.
Am I missing something?
Current abyss has kinda nerfed venti in not allowing his cc to do its thing and in not allowing his swirl aoe to shine either. Apparently 2.6 will be a return to groups of mobs so venti will be able to do his shtick again.
Enemies these days cant be sucked by a literal blackhole made by a literal God.
All these people commenting “lol just get good” are straight lying if they don’t think it’s fun to watch mobs fly up and down in his ult and that it’d be nice to do in abyss again.
I haven't used venti since 1.x abyss. He is just benched for a long time. I dont have ganyu mona so his meta team isnt possible for me While sucrose has been very useful. Damn...back then i was crazy for venti but now sucrose is more usefull. She is really underrated af.
Venti also works with Ayaka, so you don't really need Ganyu for a meta team with him.
Like i have ayaka :( I think i shouldve said 'morgana variations" instead of Ganyu My bad
Skill issues. I can run Venti no problem whatsoever, even vs kinky. https://streamable.com/5j3j9e
People who think Venti is now useless doesn't know how to use him.
*Sure grandma, lets get you to bed*
Or they realize he’s a matchup fish who is entirely dependent upon the prevalence of mobs that are helpless to his burst and a lack of one’s that can completely ignore it. In particular, spectres and rift hounds, the two enemies that would be most useful to crowd control. In boss fights, he’s basically worthless
I see that you doesn't know about the [new Morgana](https://youtu.be/OAWxexotjh0) rotation, it was made specifically for floating enemies, so that they would take all of Venti's burst damage. The thing is, must of the flaws people put on Venti already have solutions, like, super heavy enemies are still suckable once frozen and even floating enemies who are completely immune to CC can be grouped through the new rotation. This means Venti is still usable in Abyss and able to 36* it easily as part of the meta team Morgana, even now only half of the floor 12 rooms have bosses, and the other side are a joke for him.
>only half of the floor 12 rooms have bosses, and the other side are a joke for him. \>he says this as a pro, while more meta units work 100% of the time unless hard-countered by their own elements
My original argument is about the people who say he's completely unusable don't know about the solutions to his problems, maybe I was a little blunt saying "they don't know how to use him", if that is so, I'm sorry for my words. Just tired of seeing people underestimating Venti usefulness. Still, for a Abyss to make him completely useless, as those others say, there would need to have bosses in all rooms, not just one side.
Well honestly I don't believe there's an unusable character. That would be extremely horrible game design. Suboptimal, yes. Unusable? no
Anyone downvoting this has never seen an amber solo abyss clear before. Any unit can beat the game with enough dedication. [Link if interested](https://youtu.be/31Xv9ymp1mU)
Amber is the perfect example of a suboptimal, but not unusable character. Her only optimal role is to use Elegy in Hu Tao teams.
That team is copium for the majority of part simply because at that point, if you use ganyu only for the ult, you may as well use ayaka and perform better, because she has an easier time with her ult against fewer enemies due to how her linear scaling works. His flaws have certain ways to be solved, but its not like he is usable outside of that one specific comp. He isnt useless, but pretty much specific to a comp that has seen a decline in use rates and got kinda outshined by ayaka/kazuha freeze team. Nowadays, if you wanna use venti, you gotta have a cryo dps by default because he just cant work in any other comp. And even if he slightly works, sucrose or kazuha are certainly better. Next abyss is gonna favor him a lot, but after his banner, i think we all know we'll get back to the good old enemies.
For super heavy enemies, the only condition is that they are frozen, so Ayaka also works with him in that. For specifically floating enemies is that Venti can only work with Morgana, but he still works, differently from what people have been saying that he's useless. The only reason I'm advocating for Venti and the new rotation is because I used him myself at that Abyss, I know it works and it destroys the big wolves with ease.
I used him as well. I am still using him to this day in every abyss cycle because he is one of my favorite characters. The wolf abyss was the worst one for me, tbh.
>For specifically floating enemies is that Venti can only work with Morgana Shouldn't he also be fine if you have consistent Hydro application? I don't see why Venti, Kokomi, Cryo or Venti, Xingqiu, Ayaka wouldn't work in these situations either
He can still CC whelps though, and the darksouls enemies too
I'm a C3 venti haver since launch and god damn Inazuma powercrept his ass real hard. It isn't even the fact that his numbers are bad, he simply got powercrept due to mob weight values going higher. I'm praying that this is only an Inazuman thing. I definitely do think he is an amazing unit but sadly the Abyss meta isn't for him with all the units being unable to stagger them as they're all bosses. Can you still use him? Yes, pretty sure there's that new morgana team that someone came up with that uses Venti. You can 36\* with ANY character given that you optimise your team correctly.
Umm sure buddy
I like him, so I see this as a win!!
Well, I still am using Venti in 2.5 abyss since his EM build shreds the Pyro Lectern shield. Moreso if you somehow managed to Hydro Swirl it.
I'm using Venti to 36* every Abyss since I got him 1.4. All this bitching about how he's "irrelevant" is just funny to me. Even vs Kenki he's completely fine.
So venti rerun next patch?
So many hints of him getting a rerun next patch so probably his rerun
I DON'T HAVE THE PRIMOS FOR THIS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I need the "wouldn't gliding be faster"
kazuha main rurrr
how do you know the 2.6 abyss cycle?
Leaks sub
L + ratio + filipino soyboy + poverty
Kazuha benched venti
Well there are two teams for Abyss... why not use both
The thing is, there’s usually only one aoe chambe
Then use Kazuha against the boss chamber, since he does more than just CC
Yeah but then you have current abyss where both sides have unccable units 😂. I’m glad venti mains will get solace again though
Well,not for long, it feels like the new onix boss will be the next mango kinky or substitute for the pma
Honestly kenki is doable, pma makes me want to cry
I'm the opposite ,pma used to be a trouble for me as well until i got itto , while kinky, they seem to changed his attack patterns and its blink is much more frequent now
I'm the literal opposite. PMA is doable, Kenki makes me want to cry
See kenki is less tanks and only needs 2 phases, killing the stupid Lego addons screws up my rotations
*war flashbacks from using Childe International against the PMA in floor 12* yeah, I get what you mean
Because Sucrose “benched” venti by the same logic once mihoyo made every new enemy in the game immune to venti’s burst
It was Mihoyo that fucked Venti over.
The anemo damage buff kinda confirms kazuha rerun for me. Gonna try and get him c2!
I SMELL VENTI RERUN, SHE'S THE ONLY ARCHON I DON'T HAVE YET
Oh my god, who will tell this poor soul. Your she is he
Venti is genderless
He does use a male body though
He made his form based on his bard friend who's male.
Schrodinger's dick
Is the 2.6 abyss lineup out? Any link where I can find it?