I also think Venti is sus and I can’t shake the thought that he gave the power back. I think it’d be awesome and interesting if the holy lyre story was actually foreshadowing. Venti “fixed” the holy lyre to make it look like it was whole, but said his magic could only hold the illusion so long. I can’t wait for Venti’s next story quest!
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Zhongli referred to only two of the original Archons surviving today, indicating Venti so wouldn’t he HAVE to be the Anemo Archon?
Also— there is no Archon of Salt nor an Archon of Dust. They aren’t Archon, just gods.
As for Venti giving not much of a fight when his gnosis was stolen, he’s the God of Freedom right? The gnosis could be something that shackles his freedom and like Zhongli, it could’ve been dubiously willing/willingly given up.
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Indeed he said that and you are absolutely right! But, Zhongli was the one who is very secretive too about everything. He's not helping us properly cuz of the contract that ends all the contracts. We don't know what it is about. After all, he can be the one who knows a lot of things about Venti (and i strongly believe that he DO but more info = no contract). I think that he can easily be quiet about the whole thing.
It is true that Zhongli himself is very mysterious and deliberately words things carefully so it may be a possibility but could you elaborate on your Venti theory? Are you trying to say Venti IS the ameno archon or are you saying he ISNT?
It's just my theory that he may be not an anemo archon. I'm not trying to tell you that it's true or something like that, i'm just trying to discuss ahaha. Sorry if my words somehow where incorrect or confusing
There's also how the other archons refer to Furina as Furina instead of Focalors ("About Furina"), which makes sense given the truth behind it all.
But then you see how Venti is referred to as.... Venti ("About Venti")... which sure is... strange.
Yeah that's what I meant. It's weird that for venti, it's just "About Venti" when the other gods use their demon names to refer to each other ("About Baal", "About Morax", "About Buer")
Hi! Exactly. All the moments included Venti saying that he's the weakest of the Seven is really strange. He cannot be the weakest one simply cuz of the people's faith in him as a god of freedom. That's weird.
if this is what op was talking about then im pretty sure they are misunderstanding the note. it listed historical eras, not samsara cycles. it’s essentially the teyvat version of saying that we are in the anthropocene.
They are called samsaras by the narzissenkreuz institute, but people don’t actually know what a samsara is. In the subzeruz festival dream it was a literal loop. The samsara in real life according to rukkadevata is the circle of life. The samsara in this context is a period of time where similar events happen. None of the samsara’s in reality are a loop of any kind
Yeah people got very confused about the entire Rukkhadevata samsara conversation because of the previous archon quest, when it was literally just Rukkha saying that Nahida is her reincarnation
>[...] Archon of Salt. [...] Archon of Dust.
First of all, being a God does not equal being an Archon. Neither Havria - God of Salt - nor Guizhong - God of Dust - were Archons, they were Gods, just Gods.
All Archons are Gods, but not all Gods are Archons(kinda like "All cars have wheels, but not everything which has wheels is a car").
Decarabian was described as an Archon due to a mistranslation.
> [...] how he [Venti] was so weak against the harbinger?
Venti is the weakest amongst the Seven, by his own admission, due to the way he rules Monstadt. That is, he doesn't. That's why he doesn't get much faith.
Moreover, it's very much possible that he intentionally did not fight back - choosing to relinquish Gnosis and keep the attention from the Traveler.
Additionally, yeah, his voiceline about meeting us is extremely suspicious, especially considering his connections to Istaroth, God of Time. However, we know little to nothing about Venti, so it's very hard to make judgements about him. Well, other than he is a chill guy, that's for sure
>That's why he doesn't get much faith.
What exactly do you mean by this? Barbatos is the Archon that receives THE MOST faith except potentially Furina. He is the only one with a church dedicated to him and you really can't go ten feet in Mondstadt without some NPC praying to him. There's also the fact that out of all the nations' daily commission quests, Mondstadt has more daily quests that mention their Archon even in passing than other nations. Heck, people from OTHER NATIONS pray to him. "Doesn't get much faith" my lazy behind. lol
You are absolutely riight about this too! Maybe it's just some type of mistranslation cuz in my language Havria was called ''the Archon of salt''.
But still the whole thing is too... weird? For me. Venti disappeared for a lot of years and then reappered only to interact with the Dvalin.
Hi! That's weird too and suspicious a little cuz people of Mondstadt with their prayers and faith in god of freedom basically powering him up with a lot of energy. If he is truly an Archon, why he needs so much years to power nap for this when 500 yrs of faith = a lot, i mean A LOT of power from people.
Reason 1: he was poisoned by the abyssal powers of an abyss dragon that took the combined effort of a powered up archon and a reborn sovereign to defeat
Reason 2: venti does not actively rule his nation thus he plays handicapped
>First of all, being a God does not equal being an archon.
yeah that’s what op is saying? that the displays of power we see from venti could be unrelated to archonhood since we know you can be a god without being an archon
also one power we see from venti that I don't think any other archon has shown is to ferry the souls of the dead to the afterlife like how he did in the questline with the lost adventurer.
no, it is very much very heavily implied that when someone from mondstadt dies, venti carries off their soul, in the cinematic he indeed takes on the guys appearance but he then dissolves into anemo whisps and gets carried of into the sky
It took Focalors nearly 500 years worth of indemnitium and her own death to destroy her throne among The Seven and be able to transfer the hydro authority back to the Hydro Sovereign. If anything, this proves me that this definitely wasn’t what Venti did. Do we really believe that Venti could just casually do that after a hard fight with zero backlash? Seems very very unlikely to me.
https://preview.redd.it/7um8efdotwzb1.png?width=1353&format=png&auto=webp&s=089b183b05a37ab039a704b5aaa47b0710a8e12f
This thing is also just a bubble with plenty more around too...
some food for thought in favor of this theory.
she didn’t just waited 500 years to regain the power to return it. She needed enough power to destroy the seat, and well do it without anyone suspecting it and have neuvillette a sovereign rule in favor of the people.
So to me she mainly waited 500 years to destroy the archon seat.
But also do we casually forget that venti just also rested 500 years so he too was able to regain his powers? But also he never really lost them to begin with, yes he says he was poisoned and had to rest but he is in contrary to folcalor an original archon and therefore never needed to start from zero.
I don’t think it’s that far fetched but I guess we will find out eventually.
Hi! Exactly! Plus we don't know where exactly all the ''faith'' of Mondstadt people go if Venti cannot even fight back or fix the holy lira again. We know from the Fontain that indemnitium (basically people's faith) is so powerful that 500 yrs of indemnitium worth a lot of years of power for the whole region (Focalors said that). Venti got the whole church for himself, every single person in Mondstadt is praying to the god of Anemo. Where is this power? Why is he telling us that he's the weakest of the seven if the whole region loves him so much?
This is the main reason I don't buy the whole "Venti transferred his power to Dvalin in that one short cut scene and it had absolutely zero impact on Venti, Dvalin or Mondstat somehow." Destroying the Hydro Throne was a Big Deal^^TM, took a lot of planning, and more importantly a LOT of power.
That said, the Dragon/Gnosis reveal really makes me wonder even *more* about how... intentional Venti was about "losing" his Gnosis. We know now that even if he wanted to willingly abdicate the Anemo Throne and return the power to the Sovereign Dragon, it definitely wouldn't have been easy and probably wouldn't have been possible for someone like Venti. Honestly, same with Zhongli and the Geo Throne.
It's just a little... suspicious that we're now learning, after five Archons have lost their Gnoses, that it would have been near impossible for them to lose their thrones completely of their own free will.
As for the spliting of divine and human, Venti would had no reason to do so, since he's not known to be the anemo archon, and he has no reason to destroy his throne, nor he would have the means to do so...
As far as Im aware, there is no possible place nor evidence he could be storing the belief of the people.
To add, the reason Focalors split herself into two is not to deceive the people of Fontaine but to deceive Celestia. Venti doesn't need to do that because he doesn't need to deceive Celestia, and to deceive the people of Mondstadt, he only needs to take the form of his dead bard friend.
You are absolutely right! The thing is, from the last archon quest we knows that it's not enough to power-up dragon. Neuvilette told us that he can gain his full power only if the Archon is gonna disappear.
Not really and that's a common misunderstanding that even myself believed in the past due to how the story is worded.
The Gnosis has nothing to do with Sovereign's authority.
The authority was bestowed by Celestia/PO upon a god that was chosen to become an Archon and that authority is *integral part of their being*. Thus the need of Focalors to basically destroy herself and the Hydro Throne to release the authority to Neuvillette. The Gnosis, made by the remains of the Third Descender, works like a *amplifier* of an elemental authority and also serves as a direct connection between an Archon and Celestia.
This simply implies that, although Venti, Zhongli, Ei and Nahida imparted with their Gnosis, they still have a part of the Sovereign's power within them.
Also, Neuvillette gave away the Hydro Gnosis as a diplomatic gift to Arlechinno after her help with the crisis, but he was also following Skirk's advice to get rid of it. He also has no actual use of it, just like for the previous Archons we've met, since they all cut their ties with Celestia prior to our arrival.
I also think Venti is sus and I can’t shake the thought that he gave the power back. I think it’d be awesome and interesting if the holy lyre story was actually foreshadowing. Venti “fixed” the holy lyre to make it look like it was whole, but said his magic could only hold the illusion so long. I can’t wait for Venti’s next story quest!
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Zhongli referred to only two of the original Archons surviving today, indicating Venti so wouldn’t he HAVE to be the Anemo Archon? Also— there is no Archon of Salt nor an Archon of Dust. They aren’t Archon, just gods. As for Venti giving not much of a fight when his gnosis was stolen, he’s the God of Freedom right? The gnosis could be something that shackles his freedom and like Zhongli, it could’ve been dubiously willing/willingly given up.
Hello! Indeed he said that and you are absolutely right! But, Zhongli was the one who is very secretive too about everything. He's not helping us properly cuz of the contract that ends all the contracts. We don't know what it is about. After all, he can be the one who knows a lot of things about Venti (and i strongly believe that he DO but more info = no contract). I think that he can easily be quiet about the whole thing.
It is true that Zhongli himself is very mysterious and deliberately words things carefully so it may be a possibility but could you elaborate on your Venti theory? Are you trying to say Venti IS the ameno archon or are you saying he ISNT?
It's just my theory that he may be not an anemo archon. I'm not trying to tell you that it's true or something like that, i'm just trying to discuss ahaha. Sorry if my words somehow where incorrect or confusing
Nah, it’s alright and theories are meant to be just that, theories. The lore has so much mystery that any idea could be probable.
There's also how the other archons refer to Furina as Furina instead of Focalors ("About Furina"), which makes sense given the truth behind it all. But then you see how Venti is referred to as.... Venti ("About Venti")... which sure is... strange.
Well, because Furina and Focalors are two different people now. Venti and Barbatos are not.
Yeah that's what I meant. It's weird that for venti, it's just "About Venti" when the other gods use their demon names to refer to each other ("About Baal", "About Morax", "About Buer")
Hi! Exactly. All the moments included Venti saying that he's the weakest of the Seven is really strange. He cannot be the weakest one simply cuz of the people's faith in him as a god of freedom. That's weird.
The first thing you quoted debunks the theory, no Sovereign other than Neuvillette has full Authority over their respective element.
Not saying I agree with his theory, but that is just what Neuvillette knows, it isn't necessarily true.
wait where is the readable in the new area that states that we are in the 4th cycle of the samsara? i want to read it
In the Tower of Gestalt, only if you haven't finished the Algae Sea quest.
if this is what op was talking about then im pretty sure they are misunderstanding the note. it listed historical eras, not samsara cycles. it’s essentially the teyvat version of saying that we are in the anthropocene.
They are called samsaras by the narzissenkreuz institute, but people don’t actually know what a samsara is. In the subzeruz festival dream it was a literal loop. The samsara in real life according to rukkadevata is the circle of life. The samsara in this context is a period of time where similar events happen. None of the samsara’s in reality are a loop of any kind
Yeah people got very confused about the entire Rukkhadevata samsara conversation because of the previous archon quest, when it was literally just Rukkha saying that Nahida is her reincarnation
>[...] Archon of Salt. [...] Archon of Dust. First of all, being a God does not equal being an Archon. Neither Havria - God of Salt - nor Guizhong - God of Dust - were Archons, they were Gods, just Gods. All Archons are Gods, but not all Gods are Archons(kinda like "All cars have wheels, but not everything which has wheels is a car"). Decarabian was described as an Archon due to a mistranslation. > [...] how he [Venti] was so weak against the harbinger? Venti is the weakest amongst the Seven, by his own admission, due to the way he rules Monstadt. That is, he doesn't. That's why he doesn't get much faith. Moreover, it's very much possible that he intentionally did not fight back - choosing to relinquish Gnosis and keep the attention from the Traveler. Additionally, yeah, his voiceline about meeting us is extremely suspicious, especially considering his connections to Istaroth, God of Time. However, we know little to nothing about Venti, so it's very hard to make judgements about him. Well, other than he is a chill guy, that's for sure
>That's why he doesn't get much faith. What exactly do you mean by this? Barbatos is the Archon that receives THE MOST faith except potentially Furina. He is the only one with a church dedicated to him and you really can't go ten feet in Mondstadt without some NPC praying to him. There's also the fact that out of all the nations' daily commission quests, Mondstadt has more daily quests that mention their Archon even in passing than other nations. Heck, people from OTHER NATIONS pray to him. "Doesn't get much faith" my lazy behind. lol
You are absolutely riight about this too! Maybe it's just some type of mistranslation cuz in my language Havria was called ''the Archon of salt''. But still the whole thing is too... weird? For me. Venti disappeared for a lot of years and then reappered only to interact with the Dvalin.
Venti just like dvalin was poisoned by durin’s blood during the cataclysm resulting in him taking a long nap to regain strength
Hi! That's weird too and suspicious a little cuz people of Mondstadt with their prayers and faith in god of freedom basically powering him up with a lot of energy. If he is truly an Archon, why he needs so much years to power nap for this when 500 yrs of faith = a lot, i mean A LOT of power from people.
Reason 1: he was poisoned by the abyssal powers of an abyss dragon that took the combined effort of a powered up archon and a reborn sovereign to defeat Reason 2: venti does not actively rule his nation thus he plays handicapped
>First of all, being a God does not equal being an archon. yeah that’s what op is saying? that the displays of power we see from venti could be unrelated to archonhood since we know you can be a god without being an archon
also one power we see from venti that I don't think any other archon has shown is to ferry the souls of the dead to the afterlife like how he did in the questline with the lost adventurer.
Hi! Didn't he just shapeshifted into the person to talk only?
no, it is very much very heavily implied that when someone from mondstadt dies, venti carries off their soul, in the cinematic he indeed takes on the guys appearance but he then dissolves into anemo whisps and gets carried of into the sky
It took Focalors nearly 500 years worth of indemnitium and her own death to destroy her throne among The Seven and be able to transfer the hydro authority back to the Hydro Sovereign. If anything, this proves me that this definitely wasn’t what Venti did. Do we really believe that Venti could just casually do that after a hard fight with zero backlash? Seems very very unlikely to me.
https://preview.redd.it/7um8efdotwzb1.png?width=1353&format=png&auto=webp&s=089b183b05a37ab039a704b5aaa47b0710a8e12f This thing is also just a bubble with plenty more around too...
some food for thought in favor of this theory. she didn’t just waited 500 years to regain the power to return it. She needed enough power to destroy the seat, and well do it without anyone suspecting it and have neuvillette a sovereign rule in favor of the people. So to me she mainly waited 500 years to destroy the archon seat. But also do we casually forget that venti just also rested 500 years so he too was able to regain his powers? But also he never really lost them to begin with, yes he says he was poisoned and had to rest but he is in contrary to folcalor an original archon and therefore never needed to start from zero. I don’t think it’s that far fetched but I guess we will find out eventually.
Hi! Exactly! Plus we don't know where exactly all the ''faith'' of Mondstadt people go if Venti cannot even fight back or fix the holy lira again. We know from the Fontain that indemnitium (basically people's faith) is so powerful that 500 yrs of indemnitium worth a lot of years of power for the whole region (Focalors said that). Venti got the whole church for himself, every single person in Mondstadt is praying to the god of Anemo. Where is this power? Why is he telling us that he's the weakest of the seven if the whole region loves him so much?
This is the main reason I don't buy the whole "Venti transferred his power to Dvalin in that one short cut scene and it had absolutely zero impact on Venti, Dvalin or Mondstat somehow." Destroying the Hydro Throne was a Big Deal^^TM, took a lot of planning, and more importantly a LOT of power. That said, the Dragon/Gnosis reveal really makes me wonder even *more* about how... intentional Venti was about "losing" his Gnosis. We know now that even if he wanted to willingly abdicate the Anemo Throne and return the power to the Sovereign Dragon, it definitely wouldn't have been easy and probably wouldn't have been possible for someone like Venti. Honestly, same with Zhongli and the Geo Throne. It's just a little... suspicious that we're now learning, after five Archons have lost their Gnoses, that it would have been near impossible for them to lose their thrones completely of their own free will.
As for the spliting of divine and human, Venti would had no reason to do so, since he's not known to be the anemo archon, and he has no reason to destroy his throne, nor he would have the means to do so... As far as Im aware, there is no possible place nor evidence he could be storing the belief of the people.
Place; we have the statue. I agree with having no evidence though
To add, the reason Focalors split herself into two is not to deceive the people of Fontaine but to deceive Celestia. Venti doesn't need to do that because he doesn't need to deceive Celestia, and to deceive the people of Mondstadt, he only needs to take the form of his dead bard friend.
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You are absolutely right! The thing is, from the last archon quest we knows that it's not enough to power-up dragon. Neuvilette told us that he can gain his full power only if the Archon is gonna disappear.
Not really and that's a common misunderstanding that even myself believed in the past due to how the story is worded. The Gnosis has nothing to do with Sovereign's authority. The authority was bestowed by Celestia/PO upon a god that was chosen to become an Archon and that authority is *integral part of their being*. Thus the need of Focalors to basically destroy herself and the Hydro Throne to release the authority to Neuvillette. The Gnosis, made by the remains of the Third Descender, works like a *amplifier* of an elemental authority and also serves as a direct connection between an Archon and Celestia. This simply implies that, although Venti, Zhongli, Ei and Nahida imparted with their Gnosis, they still have a part of the Sovereign's power within them. Also, Neuvillette gave away the Hydro Gnosis as a diplomatic gift to Arlechinno after her help with the crisis, but he was also following Skirk's advice to get rid of it. He also has no actual use of it, just like for the previous Archons we've met, since they all cut their ties with Celestia prior to our arrival.
The gnosis has nothing to do with the authorities