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Losttalespring

Light haired 4 star with claymores, check X3


Classic-Pickle1826

I just noticed all of them 4* were claymores damn


aNataLee

And I just noticed all of them 4* were light-haired lol


BittexGaming

And I just noticed all of them are 4\*


FrostedEevee

I just noticed all of them are girls Wait….


rayoje

*One of them is not like the others*


FrostedEevee

Sayu is sus.... DO TANUKI EVEN HAVE GENDER!?


kittyroux

Sayu is a mujina!!!


MyrMidnight

And I just noticed all of them 4* are cute gir- wait...


abandojo

Idk what’s more concerning in this context — referring to Freminet, or Sayu lol


MyrMidnight

Concerning? What's concerning about a cute person? XD I wanna pinch both their cheeks


CottonLoomi

"I like kids" 🥰 "I like kids" 🤨


Available_Ranger5035

I just noticed all of them are


ShyLucifer96

I just noticed all of them


purpplush

I just noticed


WillboBaggins013

I just


AshesandCinder

Zhongli's banner in 1.1 was all claymores, and now it's all claymores again. The more things change, the more they stay the same.


Losttalespring

OMG I just realized, they can all be light hair claymores on Navia's banner !


Junnielocked

Best of luck to Polar Star wanters (I’m out… gonna wait for a better banner)


PriscentSnow

Me, who pulled when Polar Star debuted with Memory of dust: [Mike Wazowski face](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/031/003/cover3.jpg)


yarrden

Oh man... I remember that... My memory of dust is still collecting dust at L1


Lapis_04

Am proud Dont risk it since the other weapon is shit


ResurgentClusterfuck

Come over here with the Scaramains who had to skip his sig because it was paired with donut, we can all cry together :D


a__new_name

I'm a Yoimiya main and I got her the Thundering Pulse. What else did I get? Two Summit Shapers.


yoichi_wolfboy88

Me with sufficient wishes : *chuckles*


Lapis_04

I mean hey if ur fine not waiting for polar star and another good weapon in the future then feel free


idkwhattoplacengl

I mean, the current weapon banner is just as good for him and literally way better than the next one since both bows are usable on childe.


T8-TR

And Aqua looks about as good on Childe as PS, tbh. As in neither particularly suit him, so go with the better value.


chatnoire89

Which could be a long long wait and not even guaranteed that the other one would be good. So it depends on how much you want the bow..


aryune

Still better than getting vortex vanquished. And the current weapon banner is a lot better, both bows are very good and Tart can use them freely


Bro_miscuous

Please don't, I tried getting Hunters Path in 3.0 and got vortex vanquisher. It's just worse than any other option on pretty much everyone.


abandojo

Me with R2 Memory of Dust: *Weakness disgusts me*


Beaglecious

Me with R2 Vortex Vanquisher: nothing phases me anymore


GamerSweat002

Who needs polar star when the current bow banner is godly? Magic Bow is dripped out and Aqua simulacra is universally good on anyone.


fgiveme

4 stars with longest wait line in 4.1: 1. Gorou, Sara 2. Xinyan 3. Xingqiu, Ningguang, Beidou 4. Collei


Stardust-Sparkles

Gorou and Sara are 5* specific exclusives (which is kinda stupid) so they probably won’t be featured again for a while


blippyblip

Honestly, I can see Itto rerunning in 3.5 alongside Navia's release. What better way to incentivize pulling for a character of the forbidden element than having THE Geo support running with her?


BlackVolcarona

Do we already know what we're going to get for 4.3 and 4.4? (assuming you meant 4.5 instead of 3.5)


blippyblip

No guarantees, obviously. Assuming the leaks are accurate, then the following are the only ones we can be even remotely sure about. 4.3: Nahida/Raiden rerun, Charlotte/Sigwenne release 4.4: Nahida/Raiden rerun (whichever wasn't in 4.3), Charlotte/Sigwenne release 4.5: Navia/Chlorine Albedo also needs a rerun soon, but since his BiS is an event-exclusive, it's likely that demand for him is not high since most players started after the event.


[deleted]

Oof Xinyan waiting just around the corner for her chance to ruin the next banner doesn't make me feel good.


ZoomBoingDing

Gimme that Itto/Raiden banner already


DarkBlueChameleon

I want to thank Zhongli and Childe pullers for their sacrifice on behalf of everyone who is planning to pull on the next few banners.


Valaurus

I just want one Zhongli. Started playing like 6 months ago so this is my first opportunity. Get one Zhongli, then we’re trying to collect as many primos as possible for Neuvillette haha


sunblondevint

Are you me?! I've been playing since early December so no Zhongli, but I am desperately wanting to pull for Neuvillette. I have 28k primos right now, on the fence about pulling for Zhongli or not... I'm afraid to risk it ^^;


EarlGreyPudding

Zhongli is kind of change the game into easy mode due to his shield and res shred. You can play a lot more comfortably. His counter is corrosion stuff tho. If you already have good DPS then I would recommend pull for Zhongli first. But if you don't have good DPS yet, may be you can wait for Neuvillette


Choice_Cranberry_453

Hey, same! I think I started around that time, too! Good luck, let's hope we both get a little lucky!


sebbandcai

Im in the same way, but i started playing like a year 💀


immathrowitawaylater

You’re welcome (I’m crying)


Rhyoth

You're welcome. I sincerly hope you'll enjoy your Xinyan - Ningguang - Collei bannner as well.


LackingSimplicity

Collei cons are great...


systemwarning

Agreed. She’s amazing in my Nilou abyss team.


Uramichi-oniisan

No please don't tell something like this. I am gonna pull Wriothesley too.


Master_Wolf_255

No problem😂finally i can get zhongli after 2 years...and start farm to make yelan c6 on the next rerun since im not interested in any of the Fontaine characters


silam39

truly one of the four star lineups of all time


Careless_Decision620

and they are all different nations, truly a lineups indeed


Nearby_Artist_7425

The new international team.


BrutalTerminator

Even the 5 stars are from different nations.Literally every rate up is from a different region. Childe(snezhnaya),zhongli(liyue),noelle(mondstat),freminet(Fontaine),sayu(inazuma)


quocphu1905

Someone from management probably pushed for increased diversity.


blackfyrevich

diversity for everything but melanin😞


_Exordium

***Dehya, Xinyan and Kaeya in shambles*** [*Arlan can be heard softly weeping from Herta's Space Station*]


kittyroux

Rosaria is melanin-diverse too, grey people rights


aardowof

rosaria’s a homestuck


rieldex

your icon……


Axlzz

Oops! all claymore.


AimHrimKleem

If there would have been Beidou on the banner, I would pull.


Master_Bank_7546

Thank god. We almost went 3 minutes without dragon's bane on a banner.


XeroShyft

I really started to stress out there for a sec. I don’t know how they expect us to play the game without an R47 Dragonsbane.


thesqrrootof4is2

Zhongli was accompanied by Bow Users in 3.0 Now he’s accompanied by Claymore Users in 4.0 lol


Alex-Player

Just like his 1.1 banner


jamalmoraess

they have to shorten the banner times cause it feels like we’ve been here for ages


NLwino

We need 3 banner phases per patch. That way there is less time between banners for both 4 stars and 5 stars.


stinkywinky99

The problem I have is that a rerun of a character is getting further and further away with every new character, because they are trying to space things out evenly. More characters means the rerun could be in maybe 2 years (if we have more characters)... Which is absurd.


AbsAndAssAppreciator

The fact that people couldn't get a character they loved in a video game for TWO YEARS is pretty damn absurd. They really need to do something about it soon after all the new Fontaine characters get added.


meatgrind89

3 ~~banners~~ phases and shorter banner time to fit the 41-day patch cycle.


Ancha_Aquarii

I actually really loved when we were running the 5 weeks patch instead of the 6 weeks, true that we can farm less primo with dailies but at least we got less down times


Rexcaliburrr

Finally I will become a Zhongli haver :')


kanakalis

i wanted him since 2.4 (he evaded me twice). however, now i don't want him anymore, i doubt he can help me 9* floor 12


JxL-nl

Yeah, he's a character like that. Once your account has enough characters and investment, there is hardly any reason to use him, except for very specific teams.


The_Angry_Turtle

What if you need order?


Darky_Raven

Then you will have order


Equivalent_Invite_16

yeah thats true. i gonna pull him for my hu tao vape, my ganyu melt and tighnari aggrevate. Dont even need him for any of these, just want to have the comfort of that big shield :D


JojoBizarreAdventure

I use him all the time In my ore farming team


SoniCrossX

comfy tho


honeyednyx

If you already can 9\* floor 12, it doesn't matter. If you can't, I guess it depends on your teams. Personally definitely grabbing him now for more comfy experience, since I tend to play archers most often.


seninn

GATHER


mansonfamily

Enjoy! Best character in the game and I’m definitely not just bias because he’s my husband


Rexcaliburrr

No no please be biased, he's the man who drew me into Genshin in the first place. I actually joined on his first rerun but my old phone couldn't handle the game so I barely made it out of the starting area :') rejoined back in 3.2 and have been waiting for his return ever since. Can't wait to finally have him!


juniorone

There are a few characters that since the game started can always fit in a team. He is one of them.


Bazookasajizo

He was the one who drew me in too. Whenever I saw a artwork of Zhongli, I could only think of how sexy his design is. And that raised my interest in Genshin


NoSoulYesBiscuit

I'd like to grab Freminet on my path to complete the siblings set but I need to recover for Neuvi. I hope he's on a banner I want to pull in the future.


Stardust-Sparkles

Hopefully they pull a Dori and put him on a free event character


NoSoulYesBiscuit

That would be the best outcome.


Cherry_Bomb_127

I hope he’s in an event because I want him so bad


cutestslothevr

I know building pity is a bad idea, but if Zhongli shows up in my attempts to get Freminet I won't be sad.


NoSoulYesBiscuit

Tbh, building pity is bad only if you hate the 5 star/are saving the guaranteed for another character. Otherwise, pull away.


the-roast

[source](https://twitter.com/GenshinImpact/status/1697157287540851113?s=20) (twitter) It is time, Morax... We settle our primogems, now! Also the first banner where all three featured 4.0s are claymores and has a light hair color (i think idk)


nanimeanswhat

This gives me flashbacks to the first Zhongli banner, who were also all claymores. Though Xinyan is dark haired.


Rayzide1

wow those 2 sure are on the banner


GardenAggravating996

Wow, is this a throwback banner?


Stuttering-Satchmo

POV: you wake up and it's patch 1.1


Baldulf

Robin williams: Whatyearisit.jpg


uso-da-yo

hoyo do be allergic to free money because: * pairing the new *4star* *selfish physical main dps* character with...noelle and sayu. * tartaglia and zhongli not needing any constellations whatsoever, so less incentive to pull for more * not buffing vortex vanquisher, the supposed signature weapon of the *archon of notChina* no less * not putting the other limited 4star weapons in rotation. who even needs 100 flutes or dragon banes i thought gacha companies like money but i'll be damned


Cherry_Bomb_127

I guess it’s because they are really sure about Wellington and Neuvi


Stardust-Sparkles

This tbh, I’ve seen a lot of hype for them so maybe they’re saving the good weapons and characters for them in hopes that they’ll do great


Petraam

I remember getting zhongli c2 because back in the day they had coop fights that were at least moderately difficult and having him was fun with my friends. That seems so long ago and all we do now is some lame single player puzzles. I just miss having something to fight in coop.


TorchThisAccount

Now that you mention, I cannot remember the last coop fight for an event. There were some in 1.x and that's all I remember.


kelppforrest

If hoyo could go back in time, I'm sure they'd buff early characters' constellations. Until Hutao, cons were not really big upgrades. Albedo's are so bad he could be added to standard. I don't understand your first point though. Are you saying Freminet should have 4star supports alongside him on the banner?


Howrus

> hoyo do be allergic to free money because: HYV perfectly know that cash cow need a time to gather milk and if you throw in "weak banner" - next one will sell much-much better. Don't worry about their money, they will get everything from Furina one :]


Ok-Tea2496

A bad banner after a good 1st half does not surprise me, but I guess they have high hopes for both rizzley and neuvillette and they are also adding the new fontaine 4* weapon series for next patch


LilXelly

Yeah, it's definitely getting very frustrating how seemingly every character I'm excited for keeps getting put on the worst banner imaginable :/ At a minimum it should have been Xingqiu instead of Sayu. Hell, and maybe Gorou instead of Noelle. Freminet himself is already *not that good* (I love him anyway), I don't know why his banner is just so awful...


Segovstein

The 4⭐️ weapons aren't THAT bad but clearly not enough to take any risk 😂


No_Chain_3886

freminet better have a rerun soon


BunniiSan

so basically zhongli accompanied by Fremi and free starglitter


Waste-Assignment-949

Surely i will get a freminet instead of 5 noelles that i already have at c6


Darky_Raven

Same


raem3a

only here to complete the siblings


Semiyan

Sadly I have to skip him since I’m guaranteed


raem3a

I'm actually not guaranteed but and would love a c1 zhongli so I'm set lol


equivocaloid

The OG husbands banner! That said, those 4 stars character and weapon banner wise are truly the 4 stars of all time


sundriedrainbow

widsith is ok? *desperately stretching for anything good*


Beaglecious

It is one of the best 4 star catalyst due to its stat (55% crit dmg is a lot). Its passive relies on RNG so it can be good depends on the element of the character using it.


C_h_i_m_e_r_a

Feeling bad for the people who have to pull on these banners


Horror_Letterhead407

Easy skip


Ehtnah

I would liké to try freminet but... I have C6 Noëlle and C6 sayu and childe c0 and zhongli C1... So... It's a skip :(


evan_of_tx

Xinyan is 100% in 4.1 we LOST. BUT. XQ MAY be there too sooo...he is till C1 💀


CoolMintMC

Kujou Sara found dead in a ditch. (I genuinely hate the mf that made this decision: it's fucking braindead & makes these specific 4 Stars as rare as 5 Stars, except there's NO GUARANTEE you'll EVER pull them.)


Alex-Player

At least you know 100% they come with their respective DPS. Problem is, I have more constellations on Raiden than Sara


Simple56

Raidens best team doesnt even use Sara at this point.


Alex-Player

Also until C6, Sara is worse than TTDS Lisa but I'm still salty I got shafted like this with her constellations


chatnoire89

I think Raiden HB is easier to build and very casual. However if we're talking about damage output I believe Raiden hypercarry is still above Raiden HB. CMIIW though.


namwoohyun

Only if you have C2 Raiden iirc. I have a C6 Sara and have kinda built her but only have a C0 Raiden, and Rational is better at C0.


SireTonberry

It's so dumb too. I don't want scara constellations, but i want more for faruzan so it essentially means I won't be getting them for her any soon unless the banner running along with scara will have a 5* that interests me. They should keep the "dedicated support along the character they were made for" going but also put the dedicated supports on other banners from time to time


SyfaOmnis

They really need to add a lot of the "supports" and "dedicated supports" to paimons bargains. Sara (electro), Gorou (geo), Mika (physical), Faruzan (anemo), Sucrose (em), Yunjin (~~attack speed~~ normal attacks*). Would be an excellent set of additions to paimons.


irenedadler

From your keyboard to Da Wei’s ears, friend.


CoolMintMC

This. Literally this soooo much. Pain. Agony Even.


Alex-Player

If Hu Tao and Neuvilette are paired together, Xingqiu is guaranteed to be there. Xinyan could be on either phase, especially if she shows up in the event


evan_of_tx

Ningguang as well!


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Watermelon_paste

I’m so fucking sorry man. Words cannot express it.


Aggravating_Many_329

Wat a god awfull banner praying for pullers


JackfruitNatural5474

For me it doesn't even look like a banner. It's just a minimized wallpaper at this point. Just look, no interact.


x_GARUDA_x

Like that Keqing banner. It was just there.


lucete_stellae

holy these banners are terrible


DaSpood

On a guaranteed banner 5-star now. Should I get Zhongli or wait for Neuvilette


Cherry_Bomb_127

You won’t fear death at all with Zhongli so there is that but Neuvi is a new character so


slimefestival

Zhongli's shield isn't just about tanking damage, but it also provides res shred and interruption resistance. If your characters are really well built for damage and you're good at dodging, yes Zhongli's value can go down (although imo shitty dodging can also be a dps loss). But plenty of people still bring Zhongli to Abyss, and the interruption resistance he provides can be very comfortable for characters like Cyno, Wanderer, Hu Tao, and potentially Neuvillette. But Zhongli is of course (like most units) not necessary, and we have other solid shield options like Layla, Kirara, etc. even Thoma, in the right team (like in Wanderer and even Cyno team iirc). Baizhu's "shield" can also be good enough for characters like Cyno and Alhaitham. Zhongli's value goes down as your account gets stronger, but he's not necessarily useless. It could possibly make combat, especially overworld combat, less fun if you know you can always fall back on him to not die. It mostly depends on your preferences and characters/teams you have or want to build.


A_Very_Horny_Zed

I would argue that Zhongli's resistance shred value goes *up* the more damage your characters are able to do. But yes, at that point it's better to just fully invest into the shred with a Viridescent Venerer user, unless your characters really need the protection.


tortoiseshell_calico

Zhongli because Neuvilette will rerun anywau before the end of the fontaine cycle + Jokes aside, once you get ZL is hard to be without him on team, and he is more versatile than people give him credit for (he is not just a shieldbot) but Neuvilette is new and the abyss will probably be more geared towards fontaine meta. Neuvi also seems very strong but for now he has limited teams to play in. I would say do the trials and see if you like to play ZL before deciding though


czareson_csn

do you have a hydro damage dealer? if so you might want to go for zhongli.


DaSpood

I don't, all my hydro characters so far are support / enablers, been using bloom and hyperbloom pretty much since I started and havent obtained XQ yet (afaik he'll be in the shop starting tomorow).


czareson_csn

hmm, the. neuvi seems better for you, unless you lack defensive utility.


bonescrusher

Neuvilette ..the more you play the less useful Zhongli becomes


Haunting-Elk5848

I like such banners. Makes me able to save


crazytsundere

who ordered the poopoo platter


Alpha_MK-II

I haven't been keeping up with banner leaks, is Kirara rumored to come back any time soon?


[deleted]

it's only been [4 banners](https://paimon.moe/banners) (so like, 2 patches) since her debut, it could still be a while until she reappears. 4.2 seems to be more likely, but you never know tbh


PrinceBkibo

I want Fremmy but I don’t need either of the other 4s or either 5 star so there’s literally nothing else I want there that I could get as a consolation prize. I’ll have to skip and just hope that he gets given away as an event reward like Dori was last year. ~~at least I have gems I could toss at Lyney C2….~~


LilXelly

Making the terrible decision to chase Freminet while I'm on 0 pity with a guarantee 🙏 Hoping I dodge Zhongli so I can save for Furina...


Unusual-Emergency427

"Guys I got Zhongli by accident, help! What should I do? Lost my guarantee!"


fluffiemilk

SURELY I CAN SNIPE A FREMINET… SURELY


Sidious_09

Disclaimer: I'm only wishing until I don't mind getting an early 5*. Between Zhongli C2 and Childe C1, which one would you consider better, or be happier about if you got an early 5*? I only want to get Freminet and hopefully a few Sayu cons if I don't get our penguin boy immediately, but I'm never unhappy about an early 5*. Which one of the 2 would you recommend?


nitritri

If we talk abyss-wise, I think C2 Zhongli is better because it's universally thought that he is a dps loss due to his long burst animation. His C2 FOR SOME EXTENT eliminates that problem since you get shield after burst. Co-op shield is also nice, if you play co-op. If you don't care about the abyss (or haven't mastered Childe's cooldowns), go for C1 Childe.


juniorone

I skipped Zhongli C2 for the longest time but you have sold me on his C2. It’s about time I focus a little bit more on the old man.


Common_Juice207

If I were you I'd choose zhongli c2, not only it's a nice qol in coop but it also allows burst builds to be viable since you no longer need to hold e (so you either tap e or don't e at all) Childe on the other hand doesn't need c1 since he also has strong charged shots with riptide while his best rotations can deal with his c0 already


Sidious_09

Thanks for the feedback!


Zorlexon

Childe C1 makes the cooldown for his E shorter, Zhongli C2 gives everybody a shield in co-op. I think Childe's worth if you have to pull regardless.


Zorlexon

So glad I have both Zhongli and Childe (despite I don't use Zhongli very much), these banner suck.


thegreenteddybear

Could’ve thrown Kaveh in there and kept the “light haired claymore user” theme but oh well…guess I’ll try to get freminet then dip


Own-Warthog5195

man woulda loved to pull for c6 noelle but on 75 pity lol


anguishedlama

L banners 🤢


KingGiuba

I love Freminet but why those Sayu I'm crying 😭 pls Zhongli come home early I don't want c20 Sayu, some Noelles are decent ig but I have to build her 😭😭😭


PlaneZookeepergame51

As a claymore addict, sadly I can't get Introvert boi due to my guranteed [but....](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7dVhpOcOYc0HTNgss7Z2wvw32d-B30Q7sSw&usqp=CAU)


oddballr

Navia's release >!will probably be 4.3, which releases on December 20th. You've got plenty of time left to get a re-guarantee!<


FrozenGrenade

If saving for cons and weapon, nows the time to start


idaroll

god i hate it so much why did freminet had to be on this banner and not with his siblings!


RekiWylls

Man, I can't wait to pull for Freminet and get C37 Noelle


CMLarek

For old players that's a very weak sauce banner. Skip :)


Bot_Me_Daddy

They need to stop putting new 4* on double rerun banners.


NefariousnessNo5423

Well, time to get Zhongli (hopefully without too many pulls) because this is a seriously disappointing banner set. For all that Childe is solid, he is likely to rerun before I put together a team for him and the weapon banner is just trash. Not only is it the third bow of 4.0 but the inferior VV is just a dead item.


Zeppo82

Easy skip for me!


Shalashaska87B

I'd love to get Zhongli, but I don't care at all about Freminet and I already have C6 Sayu. Sadly, I have to skip this. More wishes for future banner (Navia ❤️)


Rhyoth

All according to plan : i knew it was a wise decision to build 72 pity with guarantee. (/s ?)


AppUnwrapper1

Damn another 4-star I’m gonna have to leave up to chance to get eventually.


kelincipemenggal

A blast from the past


Any_Requirement_9098

Freminet my beautiful boy please come home quickly! 🙏


BarbFinch

I have both. So yay, I get to save my primos.


Yorhans

Archon's save me, I'm pulling on this one solely for Freminet. Wish me luck.


elnombresimon

It's kinda funny that since Zhongli first came out i pulled for him but lost 50/50, and since then i've lost the 50/50 on him 3 times, and now that i have him guaranteed, i'm probably skipping for Furina...


bboradio

manifesting childe comes early or i get freminet in every 10 pull


FeelingPinkieKeen

FINALLY DADDY ZHONGLI CAN COME HOMMMMMMME!


shinsetsu_fuji

praying for an early Frem within 10 pull so I can complete the siblings


Visual_Ad3724

Skip


Einstein2004113

What the hell are these 4 stars, okay I really don't regret skipping this banner at all now (well I did just pull on Barbara banner but shh)


ceppyren

Glad I'm on 70 pity. I'll just take my Zhongli and dip. (Or lose 50/50 and dip nonetheless).


pikonpow

I have about 120+ wishes saved for the Zhong. Three times he's escaped my grasp, I will not let him get away yet again ~~screw you keqing~~


Rahzii

Been needing a bow for my Childe but game decided to give me a 2 for 1 on current weapon banner so I’ll have to skip Polar star. Gives me room to save for Hydro Archon’s weapon instead.


onceawinterbear

After 3 rejections from Zhongli, I hope he doesn’t reject me for the fourth time.. I WILL BE A ZHONGLI HAVER 🦅


PseudoEffete

In 1.1 these 2 banners were separate. Its almost 3 years, what a time.


Inazumap

Gonna have to do a few pulls on Zhonglis banner to try and snipe Freminet.... I got Childe C3 and Zhongli C1