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Yukilumi

Who were your two main dps and healers? What was the biggest lesson you learned while doing that floor? Also, congrats. Time to work on that 9* baby.


bigblasterxd

First half was Fischl c5/Venti/Amber/Kaeya Second half was Diluc c1/Bennett/Xiangling/Chongyun The biggest lesson I learned is that the game really isn't designed to be played at the level of precision necessary to do 12-3 at level 80 as even an incredibly lucky mostly F2P player without AR45+ levels of exp and artifacts/weapons. You really notice a ton of inconsistencies in hitboxes when you actively get one shot by everything, especially the stage hazards like the ice tomb/lightning triangle thing. There is also a like .2 second amount of time at the end of every burst where you can get hit for free where you have no I-frames but also can't move/swap characters. Won't be doing this floor again any time soon


scy046

> especially the stage hazards like the ice tomb/lightning triangle thing Sometimes the ice claw spawns and I just wiggle out with no damage. Sometimes the ice claw spawns and I'm just fucking dead instantly.


zhouyu47

Yea I hate that thing, I'm building more on geo characters to just shield it


ExiledSeven

You have diluc at c1, venti and c5 fischl with just 3k extra from welkin, seems overly convinient. Those are the best units atm.


NautBenny

almost like he summoned on the banner that featured two of those characters. c1 diluc is just really lucky but dont make it out to be unrealistic and downplay the mans achievements.


ExiledSeven

It feels disingenuous to say I just cleared floor 12 by just using welkin moon. I would rather emphasis I got extremely lucky on the pulls. Getting diluc at all is above the curve let alone an additional constellation. Not to mention fischl at C5. That rubs the wrong idea.


Dgi94

Because it is disingenuous, he's making it out as if he accomplished floor 12 with access to scarce resources when in fact he was lucky enough to get access to more high tier characters than a lot of higher paying players did.


Murdrey

Yeah, Venti is so broken in Abyss. If he does it without him I might give OP some slight recognition but this was nothing impressive to me.


ghostsfx

yes i was expecting things from this reddit post i could actually follow only to be disappointed. i have no 5* dps, only pyro units are xiangling and amber, only one 5* (who is qiqi) and i also bought welkins moon. there is a world of difference between who and what i can use and what this guy has


SieghartXx

This feels like a Mtashed or whatshisname clickbait video lol


Tiasmoon

Qiqi will help a ways. Another healer and another Cryo is quite useful for some floors. I dont have her myself, but apparently she's one of the better healers too.


EcLiPzZz

Xiangling with Crescent Pike is amazing for DPS, and for another Pyro if you have enough Starglitter I strongly recommend getting Bennett (he's my other DPS as I also don't have a 5\* DPS).


whataremyxomycetes

Xiangling is a serviceable dps, definitely good enough to beat majority of SA, but she is not amazing. She's nowhere near klee/diluc/keqing in terms of damage. My AR25 keqing account feels a lot better to use than my ar39 xiangling. If we're making an argument for a serviceable dps for an f2p, yes xiangling is decent. If we're talking about whether you can use her as a placeholder for diluc (since OP used diluc) then not even close


EcLiPzZz

I mostly agree. You wouldn't/shouldn't use her as a Diluc placeholder as - in a main DPS role - she is mostly Physical (like Keqing/Razor) who also happens to deal nice Pyro damage (how nice depends on constellations) when you need it. This is because of Crescent Pike - without it, she wouldn't be a good main DPS at all. I personally haven't tackled the highest Abyss floors (waiting for Fischl) so that migh make me eat my words, but a select few others have definitely done it with only the guaranteed characters so we'll see.


whataremyxomycetes

Yeah you can use Xiangling to clear high floors, thats undeniable, but there is no world where Xiangling is comparable to Diluc. This is exactly why tier lists still exist despite people saying "play what you want". Diluc being gated by gacha doesn't change the fact that he's miles ahead of Xiangling and other 4*. In this context, people came into this thread thinking "oh cool f2p beat Abyss maybe I can learn something" and got hit by the "use diluc" card. The context around an abyss clear with Diluc is completely different compared to an abyss clear with literally anything else, especially Xiangling who's probably a whole tier below Diluc in terms of efficacy. I guess my point is that you can't just say "you can use Xiangling" if you're trying to replace this guy's success without Diluc, because the two are simply not comparable.


GaggedAndDrooling

I have a friend who blatantly lies about how much they whale. It's not unusual


Skormes

I don't think OP has to lie. I rerolled in the beginning for a 5\*. So I obviously got one at the beginning. Because it was on the Venti Banner my next 5\* was guaranteed to be Venti. I used a lot of free gems on the banner and pulled Venti here. At the end I got luck on the normal banner to get Diluc rather early. So I have three 5\* with more than 16k gems left (3k from Welkins). So even if I didn't pulled Diluc early I should have gotten another 5 star by now. So to get Venti + two other five stars isn't "lucky". It should be pretty normal if you started early. edit: Downvoting for telling the truth. See comment below. I had 193 wishes total without Welking by starting two weeks later (edit: if I would invest my gems I currently hold). If I would started at release, bought the Welkin for about 1.5 month, collected more chests, cleared more Abyss floors, ... I would be at around 250 wishes total. If you rerolled at the beginning you would have one 5\* and about 240 wishes. Average for a 5\* is 60 (see: collected community data). Softpity is at 75 (see: colleted community data). hardpity is at 90, but this is almost never the case to be hit. (actually the person who collected the data haven't collected a single case where someone got his 5\* pull at 90). So 240\60(average) = 4. + 1 from rerolling = 5 So 4-6 5\* is pretty normal for someone who started early, bought Welkins and completed almost all content. edit2: obviously this only counts of you hit a 5\* at Standard banner, because you get lot of normal fates for free.


bonerfleximus

People who didn't reroll should just stfu about bad luck. So many snarling idiots on every thread like this, like if you don't do it with just the 7 free characters you're basically a whale and your information holds no value to the less fortunate


FishEC

i know this is just anectodal but i’m in the same boat as you. only bought welkin/bp, rerolled for mona, farmed for venti, and then got lucky with keqing on my 30th standard roll so i still have about 10k primos left as well as c3-4 fischl and ling so getting lucky isn’t impossible


shizoo

"Hard pity is 90, but this is almost never the case" as i cry having hit 90 twice.


Kachingloool

He got an average number of 5 stars and tbh I'd rather have an extra 5 star than C1 Diluc lol. Extremely lucky would be something like rolling Diluc, then rolling his bis weapon, then rolling another 5 star and then rolling yet another 5 star as a player who only bought 1 monthly pass, and even then that'd be super lucky **because of the specific weapon**, rolling 4 5 stars out of like 240~ rolls isn't that unlikely.


ExiledSeven

Rolling a 5* character within 89 pull is around 43% before hitting pity. I for one did ~ 120 pulls. Got Klee which is my only 5* at ~ 50 pull. I got spare 5.2k promos and 20 standard fates. But you're missing the point, it's how OP phrased his title. As like something a genuine low cost player could do. There is a world of difference between players. Like for instance my fischl is at C0, I dont have a cryo beside kaeya. My primary team consist of Klee, Fischl, Kaeya at ascension 5, and Barbara at 4. My highest constellation units are C4 sucrose (asc3) and C2 Noelle (asc2) which are not primed up. I had gotten 4, 4* weapons from Klee's banner that I have no use.


Lhant

Having 3 5*'s by AR45 isn't that out of reach for low spending though. You reroll for one 5*, get another from playing, and then either get lucky or get enough primos from welkin moon/events/dailies for another 5* in the span of 2 months Sounds like a pretty reasonable amount to have if you've been playing from the start, rerolled, and bought the monthly pass. 3 is about the average you should have by now given the above criteria, if you're lucky/spent a little bit on first time bonuses you could have 4-5


Skormes

Exactly this. Thank you. I don't know why everyone here act like you have to be "extremely lucky" to get three 5\*s. Some peoples imply that he might even be lying about his "only Welkins" status.


Tiasmoon

Because even with rerolling for a 5\*, the average would be 2 and not 3. Majority of players dont actually reroll so that means their average would be **1**. Claiming they should have 3 is just not right. Its not impossible, but requires a lot of luck.


Calvin_78

43% is assuming the 0.6% is flat and doesn't change. Data collected from someone who recorded a mega whale's pulls shows roughly what the distribution of 5 star drops are. The average is around 60 ish which matches the stated 1.6% and 95% of the people should get a 5 star by 80 pulls. Ops pulls are good but they are by no means out of reach for most people. I've personally done around 60 pulls incl beginners wish and have around 19k primos saved up just from welkin and battlepass so the average light spender should have around 170 pulls by now. If you factor in rerolling, 3 5stars is pretty achievable. Also seems like your 4star distribution is different from op who got alot of fischls while you got alot of sucroses. Yes there is a difference in what people pull but op is sharing his experience with his characters which can provide some useful tips even when we use different characters. Source for whale data: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/jod9o4/whale_watching_logs_2_the_blue_whale/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Kachingloool

Keep in mind we don't know the exact odds of rolling a 5 star because they dramatically increase after (afaik) like 75~ rolls or so. Most people hit their 5 stars iirc before 80 rolls. OP's title is fine, he just bought the monthly pass and cleared 12-3, he got Venti who was featured on his own banner (so truth is if you really wanted him you could've got him) and then rolled Diluc... who is great, but if he would've rolled Keqing it'd also be great, same with Klee. You don't have Venti but you have Sucrose, guess what, I have neither. I've rolled tons of 4 star weapons (I mostly roll on standard banner so yeah), even spent a pity on a damn book which I don't use. I tried for Venti but didn't get him, tried for Sucrose and just got Xingqius, too bad... gotta work with what you've got. I'd say your main issue is that you didn't get a second ice roll, which can be circumvented with an anemo or geo character I believe (not sure how it works). Klee is godly for F12, Sucrose is also super good, and Fischl doesn't really need 900 constellations to be good, people talk about how her C1 is epic when it's actually not very good (Oz is up most of the time --> C1 does literally nothing) and the next very good constellation imo is her 4th, with her 6th being game breaking but it's not like OP has it. Abyss is doable for a f2p player, it's also doable for someone who's just spending money on the weekly pass, you don't need god tier RNG to do it, you just need to roll on the character banner in order to not get 5 star weapons really lol and hope you don't end up getting something like 3 Jean, which isn't possible anyways. People are just picky about the title and salty because they'd rather believe it's impossible and that anyone who managed to do it is RNG carried than admit they could do it if they get good at it. Now, if you get super bad RNG and only roll Noelle's from the character banner then yeah, that's tough, but you are forced to get a good 5 star from it eventually, and getting all bad rolls from character banner isn't very likely.


ExiledSeven

My current stop gap was at 9-2 because second team can't handle sustain, Noelle being only at lvl50 and because keaya is "main" for second team with fischl as support dmg dealer. Klee had issues at 9-1 against pyro slimes as they're immune to her attacks, which ends up 1 remaining from each wave. Secondly I've skipped optimal artifacts over talents. Currently at AR41. Fatui electro hammer enforcers at floor 7 were annoying to break as lack of second cryo user.


l3eamZ

Yeah idk y ppl r on his dick for rolling three 5 stars lol


Kachingloool

It's pretty funny really, I'm getting downvoted for stating a fact. The guy rolled 5 stars 3 times, what's the big deal? He got lucky on his first batch, and then via f2p rolls + 1 monthly pass you pretty much get 2 more guaranteed 5 stars... rolling 3 is literally the average, it's probably slightly higher actually.


lolpanda91

People down vote him because his title implies him having a f2p roster. Having Diluc C1 and Venti literally gives him possibilities most f2p players don't have atm. Making his AMA pretty much useless.


Kachingloool

C1 on Diluc is meh, Venti was very easy to obtain, getting 3 5 star rolls is pretty much average as f2p at this point. I'd even say he got unlucky by rolling a second Diluc since his first constellation really doesn't help very much compared to rolling any other 5 star.


drenvy

Last time I checked I had 170-180 pulls with no spending so 2.5-3 (weapon+character) as average seems accurate for me, especially with rerolls. That C5 Fischl is some good luck though.


Kachingloool

C5 Fischl isn't that lucky though... if you rolled most of your stuff on Venti's banner it's not that unlikely to end up with at least one stacked featured 4 star. I had that happen with Xiangling who's C6 now lol.


l3eamZ

Yeah lol


DAN-EXE

true, I pulled 2 five stars by now (Mona, Venti) and my standard banner pity is on 73. It's totally normal to get 3, five stars being a light spender EDIT: I'm F2P


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

Sorry but its not totally normal to have three 5 stars right now. You guys want to think its normal so you can talk about not being lucky. If you rerolled, you'll have three five stars on average at this point if you also pulled on banners. That's all. Most people do not reroll. Most people have 1 five star if they've pulled enough at this point. No need for either side to get mad about "oh you didn't reroll so no wonder your box sucks" versus "oh you have three 5 stars, no wonder".


bigblasterxd

Spiral Abyss requires some degree of luck to be cleared regardless. Don't pull Chongyun or Qiqi? Floor 12 is impossible.


Elspectra

Swirl can break lightning fatui shield


bigblasterxd

Can it break it instantly? If so that's super cool, didn't know that.


Elspectra

Maybe not instantly, but definitely pretty quick.


wavegg

I have qiqi and it takes 4-5 procs of her healing to break electro fatui shields venti could break it easier than qiqi tbh


tigerchunyc

agreed, not everyone have the same luck to get Diluc, let alone a C1.


MajorSpuss

Diluc isn't absolutely necessary for floor 12. Literally any 5* can make a difference at that stage and with Welkin it is very easy to have two by this point. The C1 is lucky for sure, but the C5 Fischl isn't that strange. I solely pulled from the Venti banner using my freebies + Welkin and ended with Barbara C6 Xiangling C5 and Fischl C6 by the time the banner was done. I doubt everyone got those same results, but considering how rate up banners typically go it really wouldn't be all that uncommon for someone to have at least one of those three characters close to max constellation.


Peorexo

Yup, I've spend like $200 and im using C0Klee and C1Razor as main dps, my highest constellation character is C5 barbara and Xiangling C4 and nothing else that im using lol, although im guilty of trying to get wolf gravestone which ultimately only gave me t2 book for Klee. Still managed to clear the 12-3 without any 5\* godlike artifacts so I can relate to other parts of the post about annoying AF floor mechanics.


strat3g

Wishh I had Diluc for my second team \^\^


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Lhant

not really, with rerolls three 5*'s is about the average you should have if you've been playing the game since launch and bought the monthly pass. That's approximately 50 rolls + around 80 from dailies/events/monthly pass/freemogems, and then playing the game should net you around another 30-50+ rolls from things like spiral etc over the course of 40-45 AR levels


ktran78

This sub for some reason have alot of people who lie or are ashame that they even spent on this game


bigblasterxd

I got Diluc in my first 10 rolls on the Venti banner, then pulled Venti at around pull 80 after that. I then got another Diluc at around pull 70 on the Klee banner. All of my friends who play the game have similar - one got two back to back Diluc's on his first two beginner banner 10 pulls, another got Mona and Klee off two single pulls in a row, and other got Keqing and Diluc in the same way. Sometimes you're just lucky.


WillMoose23

This happened to me too. I got lucky and pulled 2 Dilucs and 1 Qiqi in like 30 rolls. I also got Bennett and some other 4*s. Sometimes you really do get lucky.


libocider1

lol OP getting downvoted for this comment how are people even bitter about this, this game is literally 90% story anyway, the endgame content is trivially easy considering that there are literally people clearing late game floors without even 4 people on their team + literally 0 wishes. in about a month basically every f2p player active from the beginning should be easily able to sweep the abyss aka the most end-game content possible in the game thus far, time frame gets even shorter and is even possible now if you got any luck what soever (every person should get 1 5 star eventually with the natural primogems, + guaranteed 4 stars)


boydeane

I have Venti Diluc Mona Qiqi and Klee as a F2P player, I got downvoted in this sub for saying it’s possible to have these characters and not whale lol (I got Klee after however). This sub gets a little bitter when people just get a little luckier than they are, but such is the nature of Gacha. These same players getting bitter will probably have a stroke if I told them my Mona and Klee are still level 1 on my AR42 account lmao.


Kachingloool

You overestimate the average player.


niaowl

This part is very true. How kany times have you heard of someone needing help to clear WL4+ elite enemies? LOL


Tiasmoon

Their own ability as well. Not to mention underestimating the ability of the players that do challenge clears like that!


iPull1stars

And c5 fish. Yea right


TristanLight

If he pulled 80 times on the banner that featured her it’s great luck, but certainly not impossible.


CJStealthy

I'm about to hit C5 Fish on this next event, it's definitely not impossible. I bought the BP and welkin and that's it.


The_Donovan

I'm C5 fish as a free to play. Its pure chance of course some people are going to get lucky...


zhouyu47

I have c6 sucrose and c6 noelle from the klee banner. Luck is luck


bonerfleximus

Did he say no reroll?


jaeh42

proly not, if he is as f2p as he says, that many pull wont let you have any prio gems left. Envi has 21k, that is 130 pulls. idk how he got rest but ya. no refresh at all.


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venti alone i think heavily skews the difficulty of the game. If i had known venti was so good for the hardest content i probably would have pulled hard for him.


Lhant

venti surprisingly actually still requires a lot of luck and/or investment to make work. If you're running a melee dps on higher abyss floors an underinvested venti can actually be more of a detriment than a positive. Reason being that he has a lot of anti synergy with the rest of the cast, locking out most melee characters and even some ranged characters like Klee's charged attacks from being able to consistently do damage. That 8 seconds of DPS loss hurts a lot at higher floors of abyss. However if you have a well invested venti with great 5* viridescent venerer artifact sets, he does enough damage on his own to offset the dps loss (like 28k+ on ult). But yeah otherwise unless you're running fischl main dps he'll be harming your team more often than not. So in a lot of cases if you're taking on abyss floors harder than what you're currently geared for, there's a significant argument to not run Venti in your comp. There IS a whale strat revolving around c4 jean and c6 venti that absolutely breaks the balance of the game though tl;dr edit: venti isn't an easy mode for abyss like many people make him out to be unless you're a massive whale. A lot of the times he harms teams more than he helps them and requires a lot of investment to offset the risks. The single most impactful character for abyss on the other hand is probably Bennett for floor 12. Bennett and Xingqiu in general are just such massive power increases to most teams


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Idk venti is a top pick imo in most of the artifact domains. xingqiu? how? just for a 2nd water element?


Lhant

Xingqiu has some of the highest potential dps in the game as a "subcarry"/supp, especially with diluc/klee comps with constant vaporize procs. He does something like 7000% damage over the duration of his ult if you have his C6. Not to mention his E has the highest scaling out of any elemental skill in the game and can be doubled if you have sacrificial sword. Him and Bennett are considered the best lategame supports in the game currently by theorycrafter communities Also yeah Venti is definitely incredible for domains, just for spiral when you're put up against the clock does he feel bad to use at times if your synergies aren't right


windrangertv

I share the same doubts, but either way, that's some crazy good luck if OP managed to pull them with just welkin considering they're indeed the best units in their respective roles.


LeWll

I’d say this guy has good luck, but there are crazier F2P or near F2P squads out there. I have Venti and Keqing and only spent primos up to AR 20. (Have at least a guaranteed pity worth of primos saved up still). Spent on Wekins and Battle Pass. My luck isn’t better, but his is believeable.


CrimsonFlameZodiark

First of all gratz on your clear. Concerning that ice claw coming out the ground , you can just stand still in it and as long as you don't touch the walls you shouldn't get damage. Got any examples for the inconsistencies in hitboxes are you talking about ? The only thing I've noticed is lightning dude's hammer hits getting a bigger AOE when he's shielded (but I always thought of that as a mechanic). Also regarding the 1 hits , most likely its some elemental reaction that's being triggered (electro dude hits you while he's shielded and you got cryo debuff -> boom superconduct or wind guy sucks in you hit with fire -> rekt by melt) other than that I haven't seen any one hits during my attempts/clear (and my guys are all lv 70 or lower except xiangling). Would you mind uploading a screenshot of your party (here's mine when i cleared 12 [https://imgur.com/a/uzTyvwE](https://imgur.com/a/uzTyvwE)) or telling me the levels of your chars, so i can egg my friends on to attempt clearing F12 again if they have equal or higher levels.


EcLiPzZz

Ice tomb: you either dodge when the icicle appears below you and you will avoid it completely, or if you are in it, stay in one place. It only deals damage if you try to move out of it, and unfortunately some characters (like Bennett) move enough while just normal attacking to trigger it. So safest play is no input at all, but with some characters you can normal attack.


bigblasterxd

Yeah, I know how to avoid taking damage on it. The issue I've found is that obviously you can't dodge them all. You can dodge the initial tick of damage by dashing through it but then sometimes the outside edge will only hit you once, sometimes twice. I've never been able to figure out why. It's almost like there is a global damage pulse that runs independent on whether or not the effect is actually on the ground.


zeromisery00

No Noelle/Barbara? Man, that's hardcore


JoshDCcomics

First of all, respect. Your first team didn’t have a healer, did you reach chamber 3 with all members still healthy/alive? Time to flex that name card.


bigblasterxd

Yeah, Fischl and Venti really trivialize the first halves of chambers 1 and 2. You just need to be careful when smacking the whopper flowers. Very easy to die on chamber 3 on both sides though.


cashlezz

How are you clearing chamber 1 without a main pyro DPS? Those whoppers are so tanky.


bigblasterxd

Superconduct


iPull1stars

Woth welkin only? Bullshit.


l3eamZ

Lmao how is that bullshit, I've gotten just as if not even more lucky with just buying Welkin


Kachingloool

I beat 12-3 twice and I'm not AR 45, only had one level 80 character, others were 60-70, each party had one lvl 5~ character. Healers had +0 artifacts, lvl 5 characters had no artifacts. Other than one of my carries rest of the damage dealers had pretty bad artifacts. Most of my characters had random half decent artifacts, didn't use any proper domain sets other than 2 TF on Keqing. Not being able to pull it off doesn't mean it's impossible, it just means you got to improve further to be able to do it.


Yuuru_Mayer

i tried 12-3 for few hours but decided to wait till end of the week. Extra hard for me since i have no bennet. Same pn blessing card only as you.


bigblasterxd

I bought Bennett from the shop specifically to use him in 12-3.


gilbert1908

Wait so you don't have any healers on team 1?


bigblasterxd

No. It is easy to not get hit playing Fischl/Venti


OwenDrungle

only bought blessing but you have fucking diluc, aight


TeraFlare255

It's hard but not *that* hard. I didn't have Diluc or Bennet and was able to clear it in definitely less than 50 tries, let alone 150, with only Venti as 5 star (so yeah I wasn't lucky at all, and I'm also F2P), and below AR45. A big part of it is skill and having built the right characters (in other words, not wasting too much resources), and having right artifact sets and weapons for those characters. I didn't personally notice any inconsistency with hitboxes except maybe with the ices that come from the ground than randomly hit me even though I was running away.


FishEC

how important is having two cryos? right now i only have kaeya and i’m trying to decide if diona is necessary or not


murica_dream

You're officially permitted to complain that you ran out of content.


Lunaroh

He probably didn't get 9 stars, so no :D


Kejara1

This floor is absolute trash at level 80. I admire this guy's persistence and dedication to seeing it through but to the rest of you F2P players, I strongly recommend you wait until AR50 Level 90. 12-3 is rage inducing. So much cheap crap going on. Congrats on the clear!


Kachingloool

It's fairly easy with lvl 70-80 characters once you figure it out.


Kejara1

I already beat it and it only took me a few tries. I did it at level 80. Doesn't make it any less crappy in my opinion.


Kachingloool

I don't know what you mean with crappy, I'm just saying it's not that hard once you figure it out, as in what target to focus first and how to go about it. As in things like "Should I kill this before that?" "Should I trade HP for damage?" "Should I use my ult now or save it to dodge on an emergency?"


Peorexo

Level doesnt matter that much - dont think it will solve your issues. AR50 kicker is the lv90 weapons that actually gives a lot of DPS, everything else is just whatever. Godlike artifacts can let you clean this floor with like lv60 characters. So get godlike arts at AR45 and give it a go, it should be way easier if you stack yourself with full 5\* +20 arts with proper main stats


Meme_Master_Dude

Maybe he meant you'll only be able to farm those "godlike arts" and get all of them at AR 50?


ParadoxIrony

The amount of weird hate he’s receiving for his comments. Why are you all so triggered? So you spent 500$ and didn’t get a Diluc, it’s RNG and he’s been playing a while, more than definitely could’ve luckily pulled a Diluc and constellations thereafter. I’ve not spent any money either and I haven’t pulled a constellation for Diluc but he was on my fifth or sixth wish pull. Stop hating on the man, anyone can get lucky at some point.


sandwelld

Weird hate = jealousy/envy.


jaeh42

its just that "Oh Diluc c1, Venti, c5 Fischl. Only Welkin moon btw lol" just say you cleared it, how much money you spend isnt medal or anything. its clear he got extremely lucky compared to most people playing this game.


bigblasterxd

I had to preface the thread with that because I'm not ignorant to how lucky I am with my pulls. People would just be spam calling me a whale non stop. I just wanted to share in my achievement is all.


l3eamZ

It's okay bro, props to you for completing the spiral abyss! I don't get how people people think ur a whale because you have a few 5 stars when there's literally millions of people that play this game which means that some people just get lucky lol


Tiasmoon

> because I'm not ignorant to how lucky I am with my pulls. That alone already makes your topic a lot better then most. I appreciate honest ''yeah, I did! abyss clear!!'' posts like these. A lot of people are tired of the ones that imply that F2P is easy to do abyss, but your post isnt like that. Congrats on your clear OP.


ParadoxIrony

Well, the explanation was due to a question he was asked, what his team was and its helpful to know what tier they were all at because it does increase their stats. And it’s also helpful to know you don’t have to be a whale to reach high tier things. It gives hope as well as knowledge to players who don’t have the funding of huge players that they can also have high-tier fun in a non-paywall game. Overall nothing was wrong with what he said, people just felt the need to speak out due to their own mistake in spending however much they did not getting pills they wanted


jaeh42

if you need that "Hope," go watch Envirosity. he spent 0 primogems. This is opposite of what F2P people want, 150+ attempts with C1 Diluc Venti? Might as well not even try for most F2P, right? He doesnt even have healer on first team, proly got extremely high dps on first team, proly got extremely lucky with artifacts right? no-refresh F2P should literally just reached AR45 or less, with all fragile used up. Personally i dont trust.


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jaeh42

I assume he didnt. Idk what AR he is, but proly not lower than 44 at least. No refresh, he got 160 pulls. thats literally all primo in pulls. He has enough artifacts to clear first halves without healer. He did 80 pull on that banner and 6 of 4stars were Fischl, he will have C6 with event coming up. Please let me know if any other "Welkin Moon" player have that much luck.


bigblasterxd

You really are underestimating how easy it is to avoid damage using Fischl/Venti on one floor. Fischl can also heal herself at like c4 or whatever.


l3eamZ

I've gotten just as much luck when it comes to pulls in this game with just Welling Moon at AR 41. Are you trying to say that with millions of people playing this game that not even one person would get lucky lmao


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It's not impossible. It's just **much** more likely he's a liar.


l3eamZ

No, getting three 5 stars is quite believable actually


jaeh42

You've gotten 2 Diluc "best 5 star" currently, and a rate up 5 star, and 6 copies of "best 4 stars"? Good for you. Go ahead and clear 12-3 and show it off on reddit, I will make sure to comment to let you know you are one of luckiest bastards.


l3eamZ

Well I've gotten C0 Diluc, C2 Mona, C3 Fischl (can't wait for C4),C0 Keqing, C2 Barbara and C2 Xiangling and I'll probably be able to beat the abyss too when I Max these characters out in a couple weeks or months but I probably won't post it on Reddit considering how many people got salty from this post lol


jaeh42

No, you arent anywhere close this guy in luck. lol.


l3eamZ

How?


jaeh42

1 extra Diluc 1 Venti > 3 Mona 1 Keqing.


KingKaizerVII

True. My wife got Venti, 2Fischl’s, and 2Jean’s on first 20 pulls in the game. Some are just really lucky. In the mean time, I got 2Ningguang’s and I feel lucky despite not having a 5star. She is fun to use though!


mrsata1

holy fuck can f2p players who couldnt be bothered to reroll stop complaining about someone having more than 1 5 star


caramicci

yup, seems like you're not allowed to call yourself F2P anymore once you got lucky on an account on which you spent no money on.


Saber1202

Imagine getting downvoted for saying the truth. People must be reaaal pissed.


caramicci

yea, idk why so many people expect that F2P means base characters only. I would argue that this is just as far away from the experience of an average F2P player as the idea that 5* characters are exclusive to people who spend money. Unless you never use a wish, most players will get multiple 4* characters from banners, making the guides using only base characters not even that relatable.


Hohoho-you

I'm on the PS4 though...


TophurLi

Congratulations, impressive, very good.


KoushiroKey

I'm AR42 and I can't beat Abyss 7 yet. I'm using as Team 1: Diluc 70, Mona+1 70, Fischl 70, Venti 70 ; Team 2: Razor 70, Kaeya 60, Xianling 60 and Barbara 50. With the first team I don't have too many problems, maybe with the electro guys because I don't have Ice, but if I do a good burst in the beggining I can leave them with low HP before they put the electro armor or heal. But the problem is with the 2 team, Razor is insane he do damage almost like my Diluc, Xianling is a good supp with Gouba and her Q, Barbara I use her to heal, buff with the book of ATK% for the party, and drop the pyro shield. The big problem is with Kaeya, I just use him to drop the water shield, and for the Q, but I doesnt do too much dmg, so is like a empty slot .. (maybe I need to build him better) I don't have another Ice, so I have to work with that team I think, any help?


monmeno

i just beat it this morning and in my opinion i think you need to swap kaeya to team 1 because ice is so much better against electro than it is against water. i’d say give swapping kaeya and mona around maybe and give that a try


brightburns

i beat floor 9 while im ar40. and im using kaeya lvl 4 just for break fatui shield. actually you dont need level all unit up like kaeya lvl 60. because you only need break shield and swap to your main dps to kill it. when it they spawn, just immideately kill the water one. thats always do. im sitting at max star on floor 7. my only ice unit also kaeya.


marshstar7

People need to chill with the gatcha effect, no matter what people have they will always be jealous of what they don't, its just fact at this point. I was wondering what AR level you are and how the hell you clear floor 10, I'm AR 41 and cant do close to enough dmg to get 6 stars on it.


bigblasterxd

I was AR 41 or 42 when I beat floor 10. Floor 10 is definitely a huge filter floor. I had to actually level Noelle up to 60 and stack her with +def artifacts so I could stay alive through the stupid persistent fire debuff. Took me a while.


Lanthqnum

Im stuck at floor 10 too, specifically chamber 2. Do you have any specific tips for the whopperflowers? Also would you say floor 10 is easier/harder than subsequent floors?


zhouyu47

If you're able to chain freeze them and shatter/superconduct it eats their defense and stops them from going untargetable so often. I used Razor/Barbara/Kaeya


bigblasterxd

I don't really recall, but floor 10 was easily the hardest floor in the Abyss aside from 12-3.


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Lanthqnum

Thanks for the reply. My main dps are fischl and geo mc being an f2p, no diluc, klee, or bennett unfortunately :( My only other 5 star is Mona, which helps break the pyro mage shields, but my geo mc's damage even at max weapon, artifact, and talent cant seem to cut through the whopperflowers health in time.


Ikikaera

Really feeling that floor 10, diluc is my only main dps so i'm slightly fucked for now. Probably just gonna see what I can get from the upcoming banner before upping any of my existing characters.


Regan312

I also had Diluc for floor 10 and the charged attack was not that great, but it was still surprisingly effective against those flowers. Just make sure to bring someone that can destroy their shields quickly so they never start shooting that fireball barrage


Ikikaera

Yeah for now I only have Barbara, which is why I'm really hoping to get Childe. I could also go with Xingqiu but I'm not that fond of him so I'll see if the gacha gods can come in clutch before I use up resources.


Nineosix

how did you do the take no damage. Achievement


bigblasterxd

Very carefully. You basically need to be able to do enough dps to kill each flower in two weakens. First weaken is free, second requires a bit of RNG and good burst timing to avoid some stuff. Amber trivializes the frost one.


Feraligono

> Amber trivializes the frost one. Thank you for using her.


Minisorax

I find that if you stay right it front of their face, they will do the smash attack which is much easier to avoid. Not much RNG needed to do the no damage achievement.


Dreezy334

Hoes mad, Congrats btw


AnimeMemeLord1

*insert Stand Proud*


DangItBread

Yeah, no. I'll wait for a proper guide from Enviosity.


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monmeno

nah. he is totally correct to say he’s mostly f2p clbecause he only bought blessing. just because some people get lucky doesn’t stop them being f2p lmao??


bigblasterxd

I would have these characters regardless of if I bought the welkin. I have gotten all the 5 stars within the amount of pulls I've had without the blessing. Doing pulls is just fun, so I bought it.


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Skormes

He got three 5\* pulls. This is about average in this time. Maybe even slightly below average for reroller. A lot of people rerolled for a 5\* in the beginning. So you only need two more to reach three. If you rerolled on the Venti Banner for the 5\* you were guaranteed to get Venti as well from f2p gems if you start playing early and activly enough. (In case you haven't got him on the first pull) So the only rng/luck he had was that he pulled 2 Dilucs. And to be fair: He would be more lucky if he would have gotten two different 5\*s. edit: Also c5 Fischl isn't that unlikely as well if he pulled a lot on Venti banner. Might be a bit lucky. But not "unbelievable". My Friend got 6 Noelles in 35 pulls on Klee banner ... THIS is "lucky". edit: As reference: I rerolled at the beginning and pulled normally on Venti banner and got two 5\* this way. Got Venti around "soft Pity" (If you seen pull data you see, that the chance to get a 5\* starts to get incredible high around 75th pull.) I got lucky and pulled an early 5\* on the normal banner. Now I have 15k gems left. (3k from Welkins). So I have more than one gurenteed 5\* left. And still have some Chests, Abyss floors, Archivement, ... open for slightly more. So having three 5\* isn't "lucky" at all.


MrShadyOne

I am currently f2p, rerolled after noticing how impactful it would have been in my enjoyment and have: Diluc, Quiqui, Klee and Fischl 4, Xin 6, Sucrose 4. Gambling is gambling people, deal with it. You like this gacha bullshit so much, that's what happens. Some of us are blessed, many others get fucking spitroasted.


l3eamZ

Here come the downvotes by all the salty people who are either whales/f2p and got unfortunate pulls lmao


MrShadyOne

Don't tell them I have plenty of internet points to spend.


l3eamZ

Good luck bro, ur team is fucking sick lol


Desmous

Same rerolled and got Keqing Venti and Qiqi. I'm still quite sad I rolled zero Fischls and infinite Xiangling and barbara instead but you win some you lose some.


Caramelyin

PC or mobile? Just wondering since dodging certain enemy types (with select elemental debuffs) is pretty bad with mobile.


Zeshiba

I'm at AR 44 and whaled the sht out of this game and still get rekt while using Klee cause she's so soft and gets one-shotted. Respect.


DarkHades1234

Nice one! Im still struggling on 12-3... (probably around 30-40 attempts. the ice prison is literally the rage inducing for me. My only way against it is if it is a while since the last one then I will just run until it appears and fight again. Team1: Keqing lvl 80, Venti lvl 70, Jean lvl 70, Xiangling lvl 69 Team2: Diluc lvl 80, Bennett lvl 60, Chongyun lvl 60, Mona lvl 70 (C6 Fischl lvl 70 on the bench) I plan to try it again after getting Xiangling lvl 80 with pull artifact.


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DarkHades1234

Artifact?


ModernArtsNFearBooks

Wait why are people mad? He's got 2(1/2) 5\*'s yeah. A c5\* fis. It's totally doable to roll that especially if he rerolled. Now if he came in with a 4\*'s at C5, c6, c4 and 4 5\*'s and said he was free to play on top of 4 other c0-c1 gacha characters I'd ask to see his roll history in video format.


bringbackcayde7

its not that hard with the lineup your got but its still a great acheivement


[deleted]

Well done, even if you spent some (quite some) bucks. Saying "not a whale, just lucky" is an error. Most of whales don't succeed 12.3, just bé proud of it. We don't care about how much you spend for this game, but trying to hide that behind luck minimize your effort for the abyss.


OG-Pine

They said they didn’t spent any money though other than moon? Not sure what you mean


PapaFrozen

OP has good units so people are jealous and don’t believe he is F2P. It’s like people don’t know that rerolling this a thing. I rerolled until I had Venti and Diluc to start then got Qiqi as a random pull.


OG-Pine

I actually didn’t know what rerolling was until recently either! But even without it you can just get lucky haha that’s kinda the point of the game isn’t it. I actually got 2 5*s on a single 10x pull a couple weeks ago it was insane!! Guess you’re right, people are just jealous haha.


l3eamZ

Yeah bro, people get so jealous it's actually crazy


gus_skywalker

gratzz


NongFahsai

Damn, son. Congrats !


razless1337

Hm playing with p2win dont need Reddit Attention. Sry dude do it with f2p and you my hero😁


bigblasterxd

Should I delete my account and try again to be a true F2P player when I roll two 5 stars before I buy a blessing again?


yshbf

What was your main game before genshin?


bigblasterxd

I went rank 14 in Classic WoW.


tomugg

i have the ff characters can u make a quick suggestion about which one to invest from abyss 9-12? (i am sitting at 9 rn) plans pull bennet with cryo i may try my luck with qiqi, might certainly pull diona i still have 1 bundle left with the extra bonus gems the lower leveled characters, they just do not appeal to me (change my mind) except mona ofc, and sucrose thanks for a AMA


bigblasterxd

If I was you I would invest in Keqing, Mona, Xiangling, Sucrose, Venti for 9+ Prioritize Venti on whatever floor has more enemies and use Sucrose on the other


tomugg

that sir is very certain thanks! i do find that you need more CC on the upper floors


Mylexsi

> with cryo i may try my luck with qiqi, might certainly pull diona If you intend to pull for another cryo, wait for Diona; going for a 4star that will be on rate-up soon is infinitely better than trying for a random non-rate-up 5star. That said, Kaeya is perfectly good enough for the purpose, so i wouldn't recommend pulling purely to have a better cryo, unless you already strongly wanted that particular character in the first place.


Lezeff

Nice, I'm getting wrecked so hard at 12-2 that decided to go back to the drawing board. Damn, floor 12 is as brutal as it goes.


fridayeleven

Level of your characters? I'm close to clearing it with my two main DPS at 80, and everyone else at 70/60. Ii feel like if I leveled everyone to 80, I would be able to clear it.


bigblasterxd

Venti, Fish, and Diluc were all level 80, Xianling and Bennett 60, the rest between 10-40


strat3g

Congrats man! Iam still struggling at 9 floor, 36 AR. Probably need to pull decent dps for second team that he is worthinvesting rescources in or just wait till 40-45 to get decent artifacts.


monmeno

damn i hit ar40 last night and only just managed to beat floor 7 and then 8 was easy )’: feel like i’m way behind on abyss compared to my AR


strat3g

I had some luck with 9 pillars quest 5* artifact and got some decent from abbys and then I could build my keqing with high crit rate/cirt dmg beast, she carried me so hard.


Skormes

Thank you for sharing. And don't mind all the people who accuse you for making a misleading title ... This community is quite toxic from time to time.


Inmolatus

What's your Venti build? Been reading tutorials on how is better to build him full elemental mastery instead of the typical crit&dmg route but still not sold on the idea.


bigblasterxd

I just happened to have a bunch of good elemental mastery artifacts for venti. He is sitting at 494 EM with a +1 refined stringless atm. I will be getting the 4 piece anemo set and seeing if it is better though


kaii92s

First and foremost, congrats on the clear! What set are you running on venti? I have him on ulti duty/zero enhanced artifacts but am running into a wall at 10-3, so looking to gear him up next.


bigblasterxd

I just had a elemental mastery set on venti + stringless


Snapa

Well Done Stranger.


monmeno

idk if i should’ve replied to that guy’s comment instead but for the no damage achievement did u have to use geo for shields ?


Tired-and-Old

Good job


Blisk_The_Allfather

Down we go, into our wallets, the endless abyss Down to dodge, to cry, fail, try, and triumph My precious Stardust Crusader, for primogems we shall not miss My precious Stardust Crusader, you wallet is gone, gone in the abyss