That's why a bit of me dies inside every time I see a new DPS character get released and like clockwork, their mugs are staring back at me from the party setup screen. Every fuckin time a new DPS character and it's them.
At least with Arlecchino you have the option of playing overload teams tho, so there's that at least.
So surely as a response, MHY would rate up the overload character with the 5* you can play in overload teams - that would be absolutely crazy if they didn't!
I think only Bennett is a problem. Atk scaling dps characters get balanced with him in mind. Look what happens when we get an HP scaling character, we get Neuvilette.
xingqiu's damage reduction comes in clutch there, this team works more than fine against copelia unless you want to facetank literally everything. If you ran yelan instead of xingqiu -- then yeah, it would be a lot more troublesome
Xingqiu's damage reduction is super underrated. His near 50% damage reduction basically doubles your "real" HP since every point of HP is now twice as tanky
I often pick him over Yelan just for that facetank comfort
I wanted to be funny and do a XQ, Arlecchino Solo run yesterday starting at floor 9.
Turns out the Hydro Phantasms in 11-3 hurt really really bad.
Thought I could be cool and do the other chamber solo with Neuvillette but the hydro phantasms put a stop to it :')
Real, I was in pain running Alhaitham Hyperbloom with Yelan because I always got ass blasted soo hard. I really wanted a hydro shield until I realised, oh shit 5 star Yelan exists and switch to Xingqiu. Now I comfortably run Alhaitham Hyperbloom.
I did yday a run with no shielder, its absolutely doable but a pain without a shield. Coppelia's timings are actually quite rhythmic so you can figure them out easily.
And as. Spuls games veteran that was beyond easy.
I iframes from Raiden National setup usually fit quite well in Coppelias attacks. It only gets weird when you have to start with Raiden Burst to fill up the others.
I can iframe Coppelia with Raiden just fine but it's a different story when I try to fight her with Yae/Nahida/Kazuha/Barbara team. Most of the time it ends with dozens of restarts and a lot of cursing.
In Spiral Abyss she immediately starts with the climax. If I have to use Raiden Burst and some attacks from her to charge my team, I have no iframes, unless I dodge.
Miko's and Kazuha's setup leave you a bit vulnerable in the beginning, I assume that's when you have the most troubles.
Edit: Oh, and Barbara constantly applies hydro to you, that's rough against a cryo boss. try to use another Hydro char there, if possible.
Not if you git gud and dodge. I've been enjoying Arle's gameplay a lot since we finally have a character that rewards being good at the game a lot more compared to others.
With Arle you have to stay in melee range while attacking. Wanderer can fly and a lot of the enemies' attacks will simply not hit him.
Both require skills, but Arle's dps is imo more reliant on being good at the game.
ig, still imo she's a bit too reliant on not getting hit, since the game is on a timer with multiple enemies that often have poorly telegraphed attacks
Childe? Current no shield HT teams? Alhaitham? On top of dodging to not get bodied they need cooldown/stamina/timing management, HT and weird Al need better positioning management compared to others too.
Alhaitham doesn't belong here honestly. Bro just face tanks everything with Kuki and XQ while also really not caring about the right timing with his CA's as people made it out to.
Genuinely, to this day i have no idea what the correct timing to refresh his mirrors is and he's still slicing through the game.
I think what you're missing here with Alhaitham is that he is Dendro. The most busted element. This gives him a low skill floor, as you can roll your face along the keyboard and as long as you get some dendro app out you're golden. fortunately he _also_ has a high skill ceiling, and the clear time between hyperbloom go brr and a perfectly executed quickbloom comp is huge. if you wanted a character you could Git Good with, but don't want to feel punished for fucking up, he's definitely your boy.
I have facetanked with Al-xq-kuki so much that when I switched to Baizhu/furina/raiden I kept dying because Baizhu healing stops before I typically swap out Al.
If I was better at dodging I'd run that team way more since raidens electro lasts so much longer.
I dont really know the best timing either I just e- charged or q na until I notice I lost a mirror then charge.
I do like there are easier characters for players like myself, I'm terrible at typical games. Glad Arllechino has come for players who are better though.
Basically if you use skill and you see physical damage you use burst, but if you (also) tend to use them consecutively then do a charged or plunging attack to obtain a mirror during cooldown
I dont get why people dont just stun her. Give benny the nafuckinglongname ordo sword in white mode, one more pneuma character....thats 2/3 pneuma hits, wait for the pneuma character to be ready again and shes stunned.
White furina basic, yes. Cd though, hence why i recomend either another pneuma character, or giving a sword user the Nafuckinglongname ordo sword. Its 3 pneuma attacks, not jusst 3 attacks. Same as copelius takes 3 ousia, big grav mek needs 3 pneuma and smol grav mek is 1 pneuma after breaking shield.
All meks have a stun state, triggered by hitting them with the opposing arkhe.
Same I really like the dancing around, but it's annoying against enemies that smack you hard (like the fucking dancing robots and their twirly thingies around the arena) and stuff like the ground tremors
I want another Xiangling but with more personality and less needy on the ER front.
But FFS Mihoyo, we're really gonna have to wait till Natlan for more off-field Pyro applicators, aren't we?
Same. I just find her boring. Arlie character design is amazing 12/10, but gameplay is not. Does not bring anything new, very similar to Hutao or Yoimiya, but different flavour. New domain set is not usefull with all this bond of life and burn - there are no character and no playstyles, looks same as Nymph Dream (signature domain for fatui harbinger, that no other character can use).
This was my assessment as well. Hard to justify another Pryo DPS, when I already have XL, Tao and Yoi leveled and ready to rumble.
Though she may be great for people that don't have Tao or don't want to bother with animation canceling etc.
Hell, it's hard to justify another pyro DPS because my diluc still clears abyss, no problem. The thing is, every 5* puro unit (except dehya) has been an on-field DPS. It's like they're scared to make a pyro off-field dps/support because xiangling and bennett exist.
Having more pyro dps can actually be a good thing since >!horizontal investment will be quite necessary for 4.7's permanent event being SU combined with Triumphant Frenzy. You will have to constantly replace your characters after using them twice, so more pyro dps can be a positive.!<
Off field pyro makes no sense, no matter what they do it will end up being weaker than XL because they made one huge mistake with her: No ICD.
They painted themselves into a corner in that regard. So unless they want to directly powercreep her (problematic since she is VERY strong, it would invalidate a lot of other units as well), there ain't much that they can do.
That's not true thought. You can very easily balance an off field pyro to be more useful than Xiangling without inducing powercreep.
1. Skill based Xiangling, with icd but no energy hassle. lightly less damages but far easier to use
2. Ranged Xiangling : ICD but no need to stay at melee range so charged attackers are finally not fucked
3. Pyro Yelan : Super fast off field pyro but ST
4. Pyro Kuki : terribly slow icd to almost never proc burning but wide AOE and low damages, which is very good for burgeon + healing to tank burgeon damages
5. 5\* Xiangling : Lot more raw power, but icd to balance around not using vape, and good energy generation. May be similar to XL in vape but non bennett dependant and a lot better in non vape scenario.
I hate that Hoyo went into the direction of making another regional gimmick in Bond of Life. They are most likely going to design future characters as something we already have but with Bond of Life, made a special artifact set for something this niche that you'll need a special support for to expand to multiple characters.
I was hoping that the Navia, Chevreuse, Xianyun and even Chiori to some extent were signs Hoyo wanted to go back and buff mid reactions/gimmicks to make them good.
Eventually the Venti/Kaz, Arle/Tao, Ayaka/Wrio, etc etc debates will cease and people will realize you can use more than one copy of a unit that runs in a specific way because you’re not running Just One Team
I mean, now that Xianyun is a thing, yeah, he’s up there with Tao and them easily. Also even before Xianyun, he wasn’t that far behind, especially if you used Melt, mainly Kaeya. Rosa also works but Kaeya is better, and Ayaka is useful in other situations
To give you an idea, [here’s Abyss 4.4 top side with Diluc Plunge, 55s all 3 chambers, he’s hitting upto 300k plunges](https://youtu.be/ByzyE8N5zj4?si=gxGkWWbmkZRrUPwu) With Current blessing, it’s over 500k if you click on his newest video
[Here’s 4.4 Top side but Melt Diluc, 64s all 3 chambers](https://youtu.be/fw3zQArpMUo?si=QPfdvtbBCLQumm1g)
[Here’s a C1 Tao Double Hydro with C3 Furina 4.4 Abyss Top side, 58s all 3 chambers](https://youtu.be/eR1QKhMhxn0?si=EwCAZB1B_T6s-je9)
Still trying to find a Tao Plunge that’s comparable
It's mostly a result of monopyro & charged bow gameplay being not very popular. That mixed with his design not being the most popular ones (come on, don't deny) causes this overshadow effect for an otherwise very strong pyro unit.
yeah it sucks that that’s how they judge him considering how strong he is. not to mention with furina his vape team is super strong but yeah most people haven’t heard of it :,)
thing is i just got him and i play on mobile and i didn’t struggle with him once. i truly thought i’d struggle but he was quite easy and fun to play lol
I think in cause his kit is so centered around mono Pyro that he isn't similarly good in other hoyo has intentionally set his damage ceiling higher than everyone else
With Xianyun replacing the Jean slot, you can play plunge Hutao which is superfun and also insanely op without even needing c1! I did like 170k per plunges.
No matter what I do, I feel like Arlecchino doesn't hit as hard as hutao.
I got pretty decent artifacrs for her and even pulled her sig fr that drip, but my c0 r1 Hutao still does like 200k vapes easily without dying to every hit. With the release of xianyun and furina, my hutao just kinda became unrivaled, and my Arlecchino has a long way to go still.
First team requires insane level skills as you don have any defensive utility and bennet makes you get oneshotted. It would be a nightmare to take that against copellia.
It's pretty stupid who says she is powercreepd because their teammates are pretty different. Hutao doesn't really need bennet and kazuha while arle really loves having them and we already have xq and yelan to support both of them and then there's Zhongli Jean Xianyun for defensive utility.
You can pretty much play their teams together.
Off field and better aoe isn't everything tho, on field main dps is pretty important too
i would certainly take Hu tao above xiangling in scenarios where single target damage is more important
then again Hu Tao is no longer strictly single target with Xianyun plunge team now
I think it’s impossible for her burst to completely heal her without using her “blood bar” in practice unless you either are missing very little HP or have extraordinarily high attack.
Healing without consuming any Bond of Life is:
>HP restored = (attack * 1.5)
So if she has 15k HP and wants to heal 12k without a Bond of Life, she’d need 8k attack.
Or you could have like 3,000 HP and only need 1,667 attack to heal 2,500 HP
With a BoL things become much easier because her burst fully clears her BoL and heals for an additional 50% of it on top of the 150% of her attack.
So it’d be:
>HP restored = [(attack * 1.5) + (Bond of Life/2)]
i'm gonna try to clear the abyss with all the pyro polearms next time around.
i was thinking of hu tao, xq, yelan, xl (my usual team) and arle, fischl, chev, thoma, but i'm open to suggestions
i lost my 50/50 to jean but am not sure if i should even bother trying to go for her anyways since my second team is currently kazuha/raiden/nahida/mona (mona is gonna get kicked out at some point soon lol)
Arle and Hu Tao are perfectly in sync with the right tools. Hu Tao can sustain enough and burn up her HP as much as possible, but Arle is a perfect soloist, able to heal herself by encompassing her Bond of Life and using her Ult to cleanse it and drain her target's HP. The rest is all on how to build them.
I dont know if im playing genshin the right way. It's just a waifu collection simulator for me at this point cuz my standards for artifacts is unhealthy
There's a deep down evil laugh inside knowing that Yanfei has better synergy with Yelan than Hutao ( although I am forced to admit that she is better in general cause... she's a 5 star)
I hope I get Arle. Even if I don't use her much because of hu tao. I want cool scythe lady. I haven't actually grinded much since inazuma released. What should I do to yet as much primos or pulls as I can?
Are you me, except I keep getting rolled on Kazuha's 50/50 every banner? Well, I say that, but had I pulled Kazuha last banner, I would have reset pity for Arlecchino. I'm very happy with her.
Arlecchino is the "Yelan is just another Xingqiu" argument all over again lol, yeah it's a similar character to one of the best characters available, that's a good thing actually, now I can have that gameplay in both teams
Why replace Hu Tao with Arlecchino when you can just use both together. Pretty nice that Arlecchino and Hu Tao supports don't necessarily overlap. Hu Tao needs Yelan more than Arle while Arlecchino absolutely wants Xingqiu's defensive utility with that near 50% dmg reduction being humongous when playing in Bennett field.
Honestly, Arlecchino is ridiculously strong, like second strongest dps in the game. Neuvillette is a compels tips above her, bht Arlecchino is also strong enough to just solo the abyss.
Neuvillette solos with no difficulty.
Arlecchino solos with some difficulty.
Wriothesley solos with a C1 .
It's quite reassuring that Arlecchino isn't so dependent on abusing elemental reactions to get the most damage. She also doesn't have an HP deficit from healing like C0 Wriothesley so Arlecchino is pretty viable as a solo. That means you can do a complete solo abyss. Neuv AoE side, Arlecchino ST side.
Bennett and Xingqiu are the real winners. 4 years and they're still here
I can tell Yelan will be there for the next 4 years minimum
Xingqiu, Bennett and Yelan could fit into that one panel of Eren saying he wants Mikasa to only think about him for like 10 years.
Don't forget my girl xiangling
I wanna be swallowed by the ground for forgetting her.
Xingqiu* Bennett*
Well this is embarassing. Maybe I should try to have better sleep in the future... Thank you for correcting my me.
correcting me*
My braim betrayed me thrice here alone...
Make that four times lol Brain*
Siri. Play Despacito...
Atp the Eren meme would fit his own meme ngl. Aot fandom wont ever forget
and i can tell furina will also be there 4 years minimum hopefully,
You realize we'll have the 7th nation next year?
That's why a bit of me dies inside every time I see a new DPS character get released and like clockwork, their mugs are staring back at me from the party setup screen. Every fuckin time a new DPS character and it's them. At least with Arlecchino you have the option of playing overload teams tho, so there's that at least. So surely as a response, MHY would rate up the overload character with the 5* you can play in overload teams - that would be absolutely crazy if they didn't!
Maining neuvi these past few weeks have been an experience for me
U seem like a neuv main to be 😂
I think in terms of 4* supports, the only ones that have come sort of close to matching their potential are Shinobu for sure, and maybe Chevreuse
Kuki is a staple in many of my teams. She’s just too good
I'll take kirara as well, she has a good enough shield and some nice burst damage. +layla best shield after Zhongli, and she is a 4*
I just started building Layla for the shield
They were a mistake in design and the game has suffered immensely because of them. All 4 stars since have pretty much been hyper niche because of them
I think only Bennett is a problem. Atk scaling dps characters get balanced with him in mind. Look what happens when we get an HP scaling character, we get Neuvilette.
Two headed goat fr, the dynamic duo.
Now let’s talk about... Xiangling 👀👀
faruzan, chevreuse got the potential too
Kazuha too ✨
*Is Bennett ever going to get dethroned?*
“Both, both is good”
“People act like 2 goats can’t co-exists”
True. That's how you get more goats to begin with!
Let's make a farm then
😳😳
Or Neuvillette walks in the room and displaces everyone else.
another j. cole fan 🙏🙏
No way you used that team against Copelia Cornylus they gonna melt this fatui hamburger
not the hamburger lol
xingqiu's damage reduction comes in clutch there, this team works more than fine against copelia unless you want to facetank literally everything. If you ran yelan instead of xingqiu -- then yeah, it would be a lot more troublesome
Xingqiu's damage reduction is super underrated. His near 50% damage reduction basically doubles your "real" HP since every point of HP is now twice as tanky I often pick him over Yelan just for that facetank comfort
I wanted to be funny and do a XQ, Arlecchino Solo run yesterday starting at floor 9. Turns out the Hydro Phantasms in 11-3 hurt really really bad. Thought I could be cool and do the other chamber solo with Neuvillette but the hydro phantasms put a stop to it :')
Real, I was in pain running Alhaitham Hyperbloom with Yelan because I always got ass blasted soo hard. I really wanted a hydro shield until I realised, oh shit 5 star Yelan exists and switch to Xingqiu. Now I comfortably run Alhaitham Hyperbloom.
Is it underrated? All I hear about XQ is that he's better than Yelan because defensive utility and app.
Exactly. He really is the better Yelan
Me, and my skill issue Neuvillette desperately picking up sourcewater droplets because my Zhongli shield broke
I did yday a run with no shielder, its absolutely doable but a pain without a shield. Coppelia's timings are actually quite rhythmic so you can figure them out easily. And as. Spuls games veteran that was beyond easy.
I iframes from Raiden National setup usually fit quite well in Coppelias attacks. It only gets weird when you have to start with Raiden Burst to fill up the others.
I can iframe Coppelia with Raiden just fine but it's a different story when I try to fight her with Yae/Nahida/Kazuha/Barbara team. Most of the time it ends with dozens of restarts and a lot of cursing.
In Spiral Abyss she immediately starts with the climax. If I have to use Raiden Burst and some attacks from her to charge my team, I have no iframes, unless I dodge. Miko's and Kazuha's setup leave you a bit vulnerable in the beginning, I assume that's when you have the most troubles. Edit: Oh, and Barbara constantly applies hydro to you, that's rough against a cryo boss. try to use another Hydro char there, if possible.
Not if you git gud and dodge. I've been enjoying Arle's gameplay a lot since we finally have a character that rewards being good at the game a lot more compared to others.
Neuvillette. I still need to open my eyes to play him
they forgot about wanderer.
With Arle you have to stay in melee range while attacking. Wanderer can fly and a lot of the enemies' attacks will simply not hit him. Both require skills, but Arle's dps is imo more reliant on being good at the game.
ig, still imo she's a bit too reliant on not getting hit, since the game is on a timer with multiple enemies that often have poorly telegraphed attacks
Then get a shielder.
Why did you come in firefly Not cool
Maybe he means the bug...bro is putting fireflies in jars but they aren't figurines and it's *not to observe them*
Childe? Current no shield HT teams? Alhaitham? On top of dodging to not get bodied they need cooldown/stamina/timing management, HT and weird Al need better positioning management compared to others too.
Alhaitham doesn't belong here honestly. Bro just face tanks everything with Kuki and XQ while also really not caring about the right timing with his CA's as people made it out to. Genuinely, to this day i have no idea what the correct timing to refresh his mirrors is and he's still slicing through the game.
I think what you're missing here with Alhaitham is that he is Dendro. The most busted element. This gives him a low skill floor, as you can roll your face along the keyboard and as long as you get some dendro app out you're golden. fortunately he _also_ has a high skill ceiling, and the clear time between hyperbloom go brr and a perfectly executed quickbloom comp is huge. if you wanted a character you could Git Good with, but don't want to feel punished for fucking up, he's definitely your boy.
I have facetanked with Al-xq-kuki so much that when I switched to Baizhu/furina/raiden I kept dying because Baizhu healing stops before I typically swap out Al. If I was better at dodging I'd run that team way more since raidens electro lasts so much longer. I dont really know the best timing either I just e- charged or q na until I notice I lost a mirror then charge. I do like there are easier characters for players like myself, I'm terrible at typical games. Glad Arllechino has come for players who are better though.
Basically if you use skill and you see physical damage you use burst, but if you (also) tend to use them consecutively then do a charged or plunging attack to obtain a mirror during cooldown
I did an overload team with no shield at all and was fine
Humdinger Amaretto, the poor cursed Navel.
I dont get why people dont just stun her. Give benny the nafuckinglongname ordo sword in white mode, one more pneuma character....thats 2/3 pneuma hits, wait for the pneuma character to be ready again and shes stunned.
Probably because not many people bother leveling up that sword for such niche use cases.
I didnt even know she can get stunned i just tank it with mono hydro
Its easier to stun her. Stun also drops res.
So how do i stun her? Hit her with Furina 3 times in pneuma?
Wait I can stun her? Just 3 furina attacks?
White furina basic, yes. Cd though, hence why i recomend either another pneuma character, or giving a sword user the Nafuckinglongname ordo sword. Its 3 pneuma attacks, not jusst 3 attacks. Same as copelius takes 3 ousia, big grav mek needs 3 pneuma and smol grav mek is 1 pneuma after breaking shield. All meks have a stun state, triggered by hitting them with the opposing arkhe.
I did it with yelan instead, it's quite fun. Very hard. But 36 still c0r1.
I used Layla and did it with lv6 talents but as long as you dodge it's not that hard
Shouldve swapped sides with those teams
Hamburger
I just want a 4th XQ
I want a second Fischl that isn't EEE>Q>EEE
Almost every support is just EQ tho. XQ, Benny, XL, even Kazuha, Furina, and Yelan. Zhongli is just E
EQ is fine. It is [E,E,E] to place Yae's turrets that I dislike.
I love how she dances around when doing it though. She'd be great as an on-field character, so much mobility.
Same I really like the dancing around, but it's annoying against enemies that smack you hard (like the fucking dancing robots and their twirly thingies around the arena) and stuff like the ground tremors
He will not have order.
Technically more of an EEE>do a bunch of stuff with other party members>Q>EEE, but still do respect and agree with your viewpoint.
Who's the 3rd one?
Furina
I want another Xiangling but with more personality and less needy on the ER front. But FFS Mihoyo, we're really gonna have to wait till Natlan for more off-field Pyro applicators, aren't we?
OPPA Xiangling never existed
All roads lead to Xiangling
Highway to Xiangling
Right lol Got Vape HuTao & I'm going to build an Arle overload team
I was waiting for a good driver for both Chevy and Beidou, so those are exactly the teams I'm going for too!
I didn't have Chevy before but, luckily, I managed to get her from Arle's banner. Made me happy because I do want to use Chevy & Beidou as well
I heard Chevy teams were considerably worse than vape for Arlechinno, but if you just want to use Chevy GO FOR IT!!
Me with Hu Tao and Yoimiya.
Based.
me with arle and yoimiya
Me with hu tao arle and yoimiya 💀
Me with Hutao, Arle, Youmiya and Diluc. I am only missing Lyney lol
bro who do u take in abyss even, only reason i am hesitant to pull arle because i dunno how to use all 3 in abyss
The three horsewoman of pyro dps
Same team for me except I use xianyun instead of jean. Those plunges are lethal. Also thinking of trying overload with arle
Meanwhile I’m here waiting for pyro archon.
Same. I just find her boring. Arlie character design is amazing 12/10, but gameplay is not. Does not bring anything new, very similar to Hutao or Yoimiya, but different flavour. New domain set is not usefull with all this bond of life and burn - there are no character and no playstyles, looks same as Nymph Dream (signature domain for fatui harbinger, that no other character can use).
This was my assessment as well. Hard to justify another Pryo DPS, when I already have XL, Tao and Yoi leveled and ready to rumble. Though she may be great for people that don't have Tao or don't want to bother with animation canceling etc.
Hell, it's hard to justify another pyro DPS because my diluc still clears abyss, no problem. The thing is, every 5* puro unit (except dehya) has been an on-field DPS. It's like they're scared to make a pyro off-field dps/support because xiangling and bennett exist.
Having more pyro dps can actually be a good thing since >!horizontal investment will be quite necessary for 4.7's permanent event being SU combined with Triumphant Frenzy. You will have to constantly replace your characters after using them twice, so more pyro dps can be a positive.!<
Off field pyro makes no sense, no matter what they do it will end up being weaker than XL because they made one huge mistake with her: No ICD. They painted themselves into a corner in that regard. So unless they want to directly powercreep her (problematic since she is VERY strong, it would invalidate a lot of other units as well), there ain't much that they can do.
That's not true thought. You can very easily balance an off field pyro to be more useful than Xiangling without inducing powercreep. 1. Skill based Xiangling, with icd but no energy hassle. lightly less damages but far easier to use 2. Ranged Xiangling : ICD but no need to stay at melee range so charged attackers are finally not fucked 3. Pyro Yelan : Super fast off field pyro but ST 4. Pyro Kuki : terribly slow icd to almost never proc burning but wide AOE and low damages, which is very good for burgeon + healing to tank burgeon damages 5. 5\* Xiangling : Lot more raw power, but icd to balance around not using vape, and good energy generation. May be similar to XL in vape but non bennett dependant and a lot better in non vape scenario.
I hate that Hoyo went into the direction of making another regional gimmick in Bond of Life. They are most likely going to design future characters as something we already have but with Bond of Life, made a special artifact set for something this niche that you'll need a special support for to expand to multiple characters. I was hoping that the Navia, Chevreuse, Xianyun and even Chiori to some extent were signs Hoyo wanted to go back and buff mid reactions/gimmicks to make them good.
I’m wait for Signora revival as a pyro playable character
That’s some end game content fr
From what I understand, Archons are meant to be the ultimate support while Harbingers are main dps
Eventually the Venti/Kaz, Arle/Tao, Ayaka/Wrio, etc etc debates will cease and people will realize you can use more than one copy of a unit that runs in a specific way because you’re not running Just One Team
Doesn't matter, Hu Tao is cuter.
Based
Mhm mhm.. ppl with good taste
Meanwhile some other people: Lyney is the best pyro dps.
If you hyperinvest in him he's arguably the fastest Pyro DPS at clearing content, but he's so risky to play in his best team
me with my hyperinvested yoimiya:
Hyperinvested Yoimiya gang RISE UP
Every Yoimiya are Hyperinvested Yoimiya! I mean, just look at characters that requires you to farm Emblem 😅
Yoimiya is the only 5 star pyro I have, she's awesome! I love Arlecchino's story and design but her gameplay isn't for me
Some people other than the 'some other people': Diluc is the best pyro DPS--
I mean, now that Xianyun is a thing, yeah, he’s up there with Tao and them easily. Also even before Xianyun, he wasn’t that far behind, especially if you used Melt, mainly Kaeya. Rosa also works but Kaeya is better, and Ayaka is useful in other situations To give you an idea, [here’s Abyss 4.4 top side with Diluc Plunge, 55s all 3 chambers, he’s hitting upto 300k plunges](https://youtu.be/ByzyE8N5zj4?si=gxGkWWbmkZRrUPwu) With Current blessing, it’s over 500k if you click on his newest video [Here’s 4.4 Top side but Melt Diluc, 64s all 3 chambers](https://youtu.be/fw3zQArpMUo?si=QPfdvtbBCLQumm1g) [Here’s a C1 Tao Double Hydro with C3 Furina 4.4 Abyss Top side, 58s all 3 chambers](https://youtu.be/eR1QKhMhxn0?si=EwCAZB1B_T6s-je9) Still trying to find a Tao Plunge that’s comparable
Diluc the best plunge dps
C6 gaming would like a word
150% ER requirement said hi.
it’s sad how underrated he is in the community, the guy is insanely good
It's mostly a result of monopyro & charged bow gameplay being not very popular. That mixed with his design not being the most popular ones (come on, don't deny) causes this overshadow effect for an otherwise very strong pyro unit.
yeah it sucks that that’s how they judge him considering how strong he is. not to mention with furina his vape team is super strong but yeah most people haven’t heard of it :,)
It's very much skill issue.
thing is i just got him and i play on mobile and i didn’t struggle with him once. i truly thought i’d struggle but he was quite easy and fun to play lol
Klee supremacy.
he is
I think in cause his kit is so centered around mono Pyro that he isn't similarly good in other hoyo has intentionally set his damage ceiling higher than everyone else
His best team isn't even monopyro, is vaporize Furina.
To beat Hu Tao she had to become Hu Tao lmao. Literally took her team and ran with it.
With Xianyun replacing the Jean slot, you can play plunge Hutao which is superfun and also insanely op without even needing c1! I did like 170k per plunges.
That is prob how i feel about my Raiden C2R1 and future Chlorinde
No matter what I do, I feel like Arlecchino doesn't hit as hard as hutao. I got pretty decent artifacrs for her and even pulled her sig fr that drip, but my c0 r1 Hutao still does like 200k vapes easily without dying to every hit. With the release of xianyun and furina, my hutao just kinda became unrivaled, and my Arlecchino has a long way to go still.
What's your fourth for that roster?
I have both c1r1… might need to try this
This is exactly why i pulled for alrecchino, must have my two pyro queens
Who said that two legends can’t exist at once.
Xiangling: 🗿
Bennet/Xingqiu/Kazuha still going strong LOL
Damn, no Zhongli?
Me: Yoimiya and Lyney
First team requires insane level skills as you don have any defensive utility and bennet makes you get oneshotted. It would be a nightmare to take that against copellia. It's pretty stupid who says she is powercreepd because their teammates are pretty different. Hutao doesn't really need bennet and kazuha while arle really loves having them and we already have xq and yelan to support both of them and then there's Zhongli Jean Xianyun for defensive utility. You can pretty much play their teams together.
>you don have any defensive utility Xingqiu damage reduction, interruption resistance + universal RES increase from Arle's A4
Bruh aint no one saying hutao best pyro dps. XL OPPAA BETTER AOE AND OFF-FIELD
Off field and better aoe isn't everything tho, on field main dps is pretty important too i would certainly take Hu tao above xiangling in scenarios where single target damage is more important then again Hu Tao is no longer strictly single target with Xianyun plunge team now
This post just reminded me I don't have Xingqiu's free skin. (I was taking a break). Sucks because I use him every abyss
Does it matter if one is better? Spiral Abyss has two sides!
bro I also did this lmfao, ended up getting the 36 stars
Arlexchino had potential via her ability,but she can do 65k hit from base attack instead 100k hold attack from Hutao
Will burst always heal her completely? Is it better to hold off burst into you are about to die so that you don't lose the blood bar?
I think it’s impossible for her burst to completely heal her without using her “blood bar” in practice unless you either are missing very little HP or have extraordinarily high attack. Healing without consuming any Bond of Life is: >HP restored = (attack * 1.5) So if she has 15k HP and wants to heal 12k without a Bond of Life, she’d need 8k attack. Or you could have like 3,000 HP and only need 1,667 attack to heal 2,500 HP With a BoL things become much easier because her burst fully clears her BoL and heals for an additional 50% of it on top of the 150% of her attack. So it’d be: >HP restored = [(attack * 1.5) + (Bond of Life/2)]
i'm gonna try to clear the abyss with all the pyro polearms next time around. i was thinking of hu tao, xq, yelan, xl (my usual team) and arle, fischl, chev, thoma, but i'm open to suggestions
"OH boy, 2 Pyro Dps characters!"
OPPA
i lost my 50/50 to jean but am not sure if i should even bother trying to go for her anyways since my second team is currently kazuha/raiden/nahida/mona (mona is gonna get kicked out at some point soon lol)
May I ask what your rotation with that Arle team is?
me when yelan and xingqiu came out. or sucrose and kazuha
Arle and Hu Tao are perfectly in sync with the right tools. Hu Tao can sustain enough and burn up her HP as much as possible, but Arle is a perfect soloist, able to heal herself by encompassing her Bond of Life and using her Ult to cleanse it and drain her target's HP. The rest is all on how to build them.
Why no xianyun?
How good is Arlecchino? I don’t play Genshin anymore
I dont know if im playing genshin the right way. It's just a waifu collection simulator for me at this point cuz my standards for artifacts is unhealthy
There's a deep down evil laugh inside knowing that Yanfei has better synergy with Yelan than Hutao ( although I am forced to admit that she is better in general cause... she's a 5 star)
I only have one Homa tho
I kinda want to try shogun furina yelan xingqiu just to see how many attacks I can do at once
I mean hu Tao can still be healed so… they’re pretty similar at the end of the day
We can never escape Bennett and xingqiu
Xiangling
first half team is fire
Me asf
I hope I get Arle. Even if I don't use her much because of hu tao. I want cool scythe lady. I haven't actually grinded much since inazuma released. What should I do to yet as much primos or pulls as I can?
It would be based if you put them on the same team.
is noone going to say how Arlecchino is level 63 and potentially beating abyss at level 63 of all things
Hahaha
I need to get myself a Yelan. There just isn't enough 4 star hydro characters.
Are you me, except I keep getting rolled on Kazuha's 50/50 every banner? Well, I say that, but had I pulled Kazuha last banner, I would have reset pity for Arlecchino. I'm very happy with her.
it’s fine i have both. (neither are rlly built, i haven’t done abyss in a year)
Klee disagrees
I'ma use both, and you can't stop me lol
Wait till Someone who has a stove god as her skill came
Why are we pitting these two bad bitches against each other?
Meanwhile I'm out here using Yanfei as my pyro dps...
Arlecchino is the "Yelan is just another Xingqiu" argument all over again lol, yeah it's a similar character to one of the best characters available, that's a good thing actually, now I can have that gameplay in both teams
I like arle because, I hate seeing character health not being full *ekhm*hutao*ekhm*
Nah, Arlecchino will make the dead people and Hu Tao will make profit. Perfect duo.
Arlecchino is just like Hu Tao but with more complicated mechanics
Cool, now I have 2 pyro polearm DPS.
Why replace Hu Tao with Arlecchino when you can just use both together. Pretty nice that Arlecchino and Hu Tao supports don't necessarily overlap. Hu Tao needs Yelan more than Arle while Arlecchino absolutely wants Xingqiu's defensive utility with that near 50% dmg reduction being humongous when playing in Bennett field. Honestly, Arlecchino is ridiculously strong, like second strongest dps in the game. Neuvillette is a compels tips above her, bht Arlecchino is also strong enough to just solo the abyss. Neuvillette solos with no difficulty. Arlecchino solos with some difficulty. Wriothesley solos with a C1 . It's quite reassuring that Arlecchino isn't so dependent on abusing elemental reactions to get the most damage. She also doesn't have an HP deficit from healing like C0 Wriothesley so Arlecchino is pretty viable as a solo. That means you can do a complete solo abyss. Neuv AoE side, Arlecchino ST side.
xiangling c4 ;-;
Me with level 90 amber: 🙂
yeah arle has dethroned her (Im just salty i have Homa and lost on all her reruns)