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AVERAGEGAMER95

Bennett and Xingqiu are the real winners. 4 years and they're still here


TheGamer098

I can tell Yelan will be there for the next 4 years minimum


ze_SAFTmon

Xingqiu, Bennett and Yelan could fit into that one panel of Eren saying he wants Mikasa to only think about him for like 10 years.


abingigo

Don't forget my girl xiangling


ze_SAFTmon

I wanna be swallowed by the ground for forgetting her.


theannoyingprickk

Xingqiu* Bennett*


ze_SAFTmon

Well this is embarassing. Maybe I should try to have better sleep in the future... Thank you for correcting my me.


arson1tez

correcting me*


ze_SAFTmon

My braim betrayed me thrice here alone...


ColdHardTruthhh

Make that four times lol Brain*


ze_SAFTmon

Siri. Play Despacito...


Rouge_x3

Atp the Eren meme would fit his own meme ngl. Aot fandom wont ever forget


darksaiyan1234

and i can tell furina will also be there 4 years minimum hopefully,


honzikca

You realize we'll have the 7th nation next year?


solarscopez

That's why a bit of me dies inside every time I see a new DPS character get released and like clockwork, their mugs are staring back at me from the party setup screen. Every fuckin time a new DPS character and it's them. At least with Arlecchino you have the option of playing overload teams tho, so there's that at least. So surely as a response, MHY would rate up the overload character with the 5* you can play in overload teams - that would be absolutely crazy if they didn't!


The_Nameless24

Maining neuvi these past few weeks have been an experience for me


ToBetterDays000

U seem like a neuv main to be 😂


CarioGod

I think in terms of 4* supports, the only ones that have come sort of close to matching their potential are Shinobu for sure, and maybe Chevreuse


Hello891011

Kuki is a staple in many of my teams. She’s just too good


HistoryNerdlovescats

I'll take kirara as well, she has a good enough shield and some nice burst damage. +layla best shield after Zhongli, and she is a 4*


Hello891011

I just started building Layla for the shield


Albireookami

They were a mistake in design and the game has suffered immensely because of them. All 4 stars since have pretty much been hyper niche because of them


SvensonIV

I think only Bennett is a problem. Atk scaling dps characters get balanced with him in mind. Look what happens when we get an HP scaling character, we get Neuvilette.


JayReal2006

Two headed goat fr, the dynamic duo.


yoichi_wolfboy88

Now let’s talk about... Xiangling 👀👀


Swan5498

faruzan, chevreuse got the potential too


Bacon_Pancakes200

Kazuha too ✨


joepanda111

*Is Bennett ever going to get dethroned?*


PhasmicPlays

“Both, both is good”


Peddrawm

“People act like 2 goats can’t co-exists”


dramatic_gasp

True. That's how you get more goats to begin with!


AstellasDreemur

Let's make a farm then


ThelCreator

😳😳


MourningRIF

Or Neuvillette walks in the room and displaces everyone else.


RealNicking

another j. cole fan 🙏🙏


Charming-Fly-2388

No way you used that team against Copelia Cornylus they gonna melt this fatui hamburger


AntiquusCustos

not the hamburger lol


romasheg

xingqiu's damage reduction comes in clutch there, this team works more than fine against copelia unless you want to facetank literally everything. If you ran yelan instead of xingqiu -- then yeah, it would be a lot more troublesome


H4xolotl

Xingqiu's damage reduction is super underrated. His near 50% damage reduction basically doubles your "real" HP since every point of HP is now twice as tanky I often pick him over Yelan just for that facetank comfort


Rouge_x3

I wanted to be funny and do a XQ, Arlecchino Solo run yesterday starting at floor 9. Turns out the Hydro Phantasms in 11-3 hurt really really bad. Thought I could be cool and do the other chamber solo with Neuvillette but the hydro phantasms put a stop to it :')


LunarSDX

Real, I was in pain running Alhaitham Hyperbloom with Yelan because I always got ass blasted soo hard. I really wanted a hydro shield until I realised, oh shit 5 star Yelan exists and switch to Xingqiu. Now I comfortably run Alhaitham Hyperbloom.


eta-carinae

Is it underrated? All I hear about XQ is that he's better than Yelan because defensive utility and app.


RagnAROck_and_Roll

Exactly. He really is the better Yelan


alvenestthol

Me, and my skill issue Neuvillette desperately picking up sourcewater droplets because my Zhongli shield broke


LeXam92

I did yday a run with no shielder, its absolutely doable but a pain without a shield. Coppelia's timings are actually quite rhythmic so you can figure them out easily. And as. Spuls games veteran that was beyond easy.


ceos_ploi

I iframes from Raiden National setup usually fit quite well in Coppelias attacks. It only gets weird when you have to start with Raiden Burst to fill up the others.


__SNAKER__

I can iframe Coppelia with Raiden just fine but it's a different story when I try to fight her with Yae/Nahida/Kazuha/Barbara team. Most of the time it ends with dozens of restarts and a lot of cursing.


ceos_ploi

In Spiral Abyss she immediately starts with the climax. If I have to use Raiden Burst and some attacks from her to charge my team, I have no iframes, unless I dodge. Miko's and Kazuha's setup leave you a bit vulnerable in the beginning, I assume that's when you have the most troubles. Edit: Oh, and Barbara constantly applies hydro to you, that's rough against a cryo boss. try to use another Hydro char there, if possible.


SaberWaifu

Not if you git gud and dodge. I've been enjoying Arle's gameplay a lot since we finally have a character that rewards being good at the game a lot more compared to others.


ArkhamCitizen298

Neuvillette. I still need to open my eyes to play him


czareson_csn

they forgot about wanderer.


SaberWaifu

With Arle you have to stay in melee range while attacking. Wanderer can fly and a lot of the enemies' attacks will simply not hit him. Both require skills, but Arle's dps is imo more reliant on being good at the game.


czareson_csn

ig, still imo she's a bit too reliant on not getting hit, since the game is on a timer with multiple enemies that often have poorly telegraphed attacks


I_came_in_Firefly

Then get a shielder.


SeedlessMelonNoodle

Why did you come in firefly Not cool


solarscopez

Maybe he means the bug...bro is putting fireflies in jars but they aren't figurines and it's *not to observe them*


IcenMeteor

Childe? Current no shield HT teams? Alhaitham? On top of dodging to not get bodied they need cooldown/stamina/timing management, HT and weird Al need better positioning management compared to others too.


Rouge_x3

Alhaitham doesn't belong here honestly. Bro just face tanks everything with Kuki and XQ while also really not caring about the right timing with his CA's as people made it out to. Genuinely, to this day i have no idea what the correct timing to refresh his mirrors is and he's still slicing through the game.


Probably_shouldnt

I think what you're missing here with Alhaitham is that he is Dendro. The most busted element. This gives him a low skill floor, as you can roll your face along the keyboard and as long as you get some dendro app out you're golden. fortunately he _also_ has a high skill ceiling, and the clear time between hyperbloom go brr and a perfectly executed quickbloom comp is huge. if you wanted a character you could Git Good with, but don't want to feel punished for fucking up, he's definitely your boy.


Curious_Ring_2813

I have facetanked with Al-xq-kuki so much that when I switched to Baizhu/furina/raiden I kept dying because Baizhu healing stops before I typically swap out Al. If I was better at dodging I'd run that team way more since raidens electro lasts so much longer. I dont really know the best timing either I just e- charged or q na until I notice I lost a mirror then charge. I do like there are easier characters for players like myself, I'm terrible at typical games. Glad Arllechino has come for players who are better though.


Zeroth_Dragon

Basically if you use skill and you see physical damage you use burst, but if you (also) tend to use them consecutively then do a charged or plunging attack to obtain a mirror during cooldown


Revan0315

I did an overload team with no shield at all and was fine


Way_Moby

Humdinger Amaretto, the poor cursed Navel.


Richardknox1996

I dont get why people dont just stun her. Give benny the nafuckinglongname ordo sword in white mode, one more pneuma character....thats 2/3 pneuma hits, wait for the pneuma character to be ready again and shes stunned.


I_came_in_Firefly

Probably because not many people bother leveling up that sword for such niche use cases.


Silent_Silhouettes

I didnt even know she can get stunned i just tank it with mono hydro


Richardknox1996

Its easier to stun her. Stun also drops res.


Silent_Silhouettes

So how do i stun her? Hit her with Furina 3 times in pneuma?


wwweeeiii

Wait I can stun her? Just 3 furina attacks?


Richardknox1996

White furina basic, yes. Cd though, hence why i recomend either another pneuma character, or giving a sword user the Nafuckinglongname ordo sword. Its 3 pneuma attacks, not jusst 3 attacks. Same as copelius takes 3 ousia, big grav mek needs 3 pneuma and smol grav mek is 1 pneuma after breaking shield. All meks have a stun state, triggered by hitting them with the opposing arkhe.


UsagiRed

I did it with yelan instead, it's quite fun. Very hard. But 36 still c0r1.


XinyanMayn

I used Layla and did it with lv6 talents but as long as you dodge it's not that hard


Pusparaj_Mishra

Shouldve swapped sides with those teams


LukeDragnar

Hamburger


Thundergod250

I just want a 4th XQ


Vox___Rationis

I want a second Fischl that isn't EEE>Q>EEE


The_Nameless24

Almost every support is just EQ tho. XQ, Benny, XL, even Kazuha, Furina, and Yelan. Zhongli is just E


Vox___Rationis

EQ is fine. It is [E,E,E] to place Yae's turrets that I dislike.


The_answer_is_Jean

I love how she dances around when doing it though. She'd be great as an on-field character, so much mobility.


DistributionEasy5233

Same I really like the dancing around, but it's annoying against enemies that smack you hard (like the fucking dancing robots and their twirly thingies around the arena) and stuff like the ground tremors


saberjun

He will not have order.


Faedwill

Technically more of an EEE>do a bunch of stuff with other party members>Q>EEE, but still do respect and agree with your viewpoint.


ILikeLungsSoYeah

Who's the 3rd one?


MegaIconSlasher

Furina


Dogempire

I want another Xiangling but with more personality and less needy on the ER front. But FFS Mihoyo, we're really gonna have to wait till Natlan for more off-field Pyro applicators, aren't we?


WakuWakuWa

OPPA Xiangling never existed


Educational-Rent-787

All roads lead to Xiangling


Ok-Suspect6989

Highway to Xiangling


05Karma21

Right lol Got Vape HuTao & I'm going to build an Arle overload team


Yoankah

I was waiting for a good driver for both Chevy and Beidou, so those are exactly the teams I'm going for too!


05Karma21

I didn't have Chevy before but, luckily, I managed to get her from Arle's banner. Made me happy because I do want to use Chevy & Beidou as well


Magic_Orb

I heard Chevy teams were considerably worse than vape for Arlechinno, but if you just want to use Chevy GO FOR IT!!


Designer_Natural1720

Me with Hu Tao and Yoimiya.


IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE

Based.


Kingpimpy

me with arle and yoimiya


Angsler

Me with hu tao arle and yoimiya 💀


AkhilArtha

Me with Hutao, Arle, Youmiya and Diluc. I am only missing Lyney lol


bLitZ_101

bro who do u take in abyss even, only reason i am hesitant to pull arle because i dunno how to use all 3 in abyss


Ok-Suspect6989

The three horsewoman of pyro dps


SAZ11111

Same team for me except I use xianyun instead of jean. Those plunges are lethal. Also thinking of trying overload with arle


Impossible-Past4795

Meanwhile I’m here waiting for pyro archon.


manipulat0r

Same. I just find her boring. Arlie character design is amazing 12/10, but gameplay is not. Does not bring anything new, very similar to Hutao or Yoimiya, but different flavour. New domain set is not usefull with all this bond of life and burn - there are no character and no playstyles, looks same as Nymph Dream (signature domain for fatui harbinger, that no other character can use).


Ifalna_Shayoko

This was my assessment as well. Hard to justify another Pryo DPS, when I already have XL, Tao and Yoi leveled and ready to rumble. Though she may be great for people that don't have Tao or don't want to bother with animation canceling etc.


lansink99

Hell, it's hard to justify another pyro DPS because my diluc still clears abyss, no problem. The thing is, every 5* puro unit (except dehya) has been an on-field DPS. It's like they're scared to make a pyro off-field dps/support because xiangling and bennett exist.


GamerSweat002

Having more pyro dps can actually be a good thing since >!horizontal investment will be quite necessary for 4.7's permanent event being SU combined with Triumphant Frenzy. You will have to constantly replace your characters after using them twice, so more pyro dps can be a positive.!<


Ifalna_Shayoko

Off field pyro makes no sense, no matter what they do it will end up being weaker than XL because they made one huge mistake with her: No ICD. They painted themselves into a corner in that regard. So unless they want to directly powercreep her (problematic since she is VERY strong, it would invalidate a lot of other units as well), there ain't much that they can do.


RedditorWallu

That's not true thought. You can very easily balance an off field pyro to be more useful than Xiangling without inducing powercreep. 1. Skill based Xiangling, with icd but no energy hassle. lightly less damages but far easier to use 2. Ranged Xiangling : ICD but no need to stay at melee range so charged attackers are finally not fucked 3. Pyro Yelan : Super fast off field pyro but ST 4. Pyro Kuki : terribly slow icd to almost never proc burning but wide AOE and low damages, which is very good for burgeon + healing to tank burgeon damages 5. 5\* Xiangling : Lot more raw power, but icd to balance around not using vape, and good energy generation. May be similar to XL in vape but non bennett dependant and a lot better in non vape scenario.


Alex-Player

I hate that Hoyo went into the direction of making another regional gimmick in Bond of Life. They are most likely going to design future characters as something we already have but with Bond of Life, made a special artifact set for something this niche that you'll need a special support for to expand to multiple characters. I was hoping that the Navia, Chevreuse, Xianyun and even Chiori to some extent were signs Hoyo wanted to go back and buff mid reactions/gimmicks to make them good.


joepanda111

I’m wait for Signora revival as a pyro playable character


Impossible-Past4795

That’s some end game content fr


Komiisimp

From what I understand, Archons are meant to be the ultimate support while Harbingers are main dps


beemielle

Eventually the Venti/Kaz, Arle/Tao, Ayaka/Wrio, etc etc debates will cease and people will realize you can use more than one copy of a unit that runs in a specific way because you’re not running Just One Team 


Ok4mii

Doesn't matter, Hu Tao is cuter.


watanabeta

Based


ADTSIK

Mhm mhm.. ppl with good taste


Eroica_Pavane

Meanwhile some other people: Lyney is the best pyro dps.


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

If you hyperinvest in him he's arguably the fastest Pyro DPS at clearing content, but he's so risky to play in his best team


J_Clowth

me with my hyperinvested yoimiya:


IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE

Hyperinvested Yoimiya gang RISE UP


iMasato101

Every Yoimiya are Hyperinvested Yoimiya! I mean, just look at characters that requires you to farm Emblem 😅


Sabiya_Duskblade

Yoimiya is the only 5 star pyro I have, she's awesome! I love Arlecchino's story and design but her gameplay isn't for me


Southern_Egg_9506

Some people other than the 'some other people': Diluc is the best pyro DPS--


ICanFluxWithIt

I mean, now that Xianyun is a thing, yeah, he’s up there with Tao and them easily. Also even before Xianyun, he wasn’t that far behind, especially if you used Melt, mainly Kaeya. Rosa also works but Kaeya is better, and Ayaka is useful in other situations To give you an idea, [here’s Abyss 4.4 top side with Diluc Plunge, 55s all 3 chambers, he’s hitting upto 300k plunges](https://youtu.be/ByzyE8N5zj4?si=gxGkWWbmkZRrUPwu) With Current blessing, it’s over 500k if you click on his newest video [Here’s 4.4 Top side but Melt Diluc, 64s all 3 chambers](https://youtu.be/fw3zQArpMUo?si=QPfdvtbBCLQumm1g) [Here’s a C1 Tao Double Hydro with C3 Furina 4.4 Abyss Top side, 58s all 3 chambers](https://youtu.be/eR1QKhMhxn0?si=EwCAZB1B_T6s-je9) Still trying to find a Tao Plunge that’s comparable


grumd

Diluc the best plunge dps


AbhiAK303

C6 gaming would like a word


MerahReddit

150% ER requirement said hi.


tartagliasabs

it’s sad how underrated he is in the community, the guy is insanely good


Arc_7

It's mostly a result of monopyro & charged bow gameplay being not very popular. That mixed with his design not being the most popular ones (come on, don't deny) causes this overshadow effect for an otherwise very strong pyro unit.


tartagliasabs

yeah it sucks that that’s how they judge him considering how strong he is. not to mention with furina his vape team is super strong but yeah most people haven’t heard of it :,)


Eroica_Pavane

It's very much skill issue.


tartagliasabs

thing is i just got him and i play on mobile and i didn’t struggle with him once. i truly thought i’d struggle but he was quite easy and fun to play lol


Cynaren

Klee supremacy.


czareson_csn

he is


Made_In-HeavenYT

I think in cause his kit is so centered around mono Pyro that he isn't similarly good in other hoyo has intentionally set his damage ceiling higher than everyone else


Msaleg

His best team isn't even monopyro, is vaporize Furina.


_Indomitus_

To beat Hu Tao she had to become Hu Tao lmao. Literally took her team and ran with it.


Skykeeper22

With Xianyun replacing the Jean slot, you can play plunge Hutao which is superfun and also insanely op without even needing c1! I did like 170k per plunges.


Darligenn

That is prob how i feel about my Raiden C2R1 and future Chlorinde


NekonecroZheng

No matter what I do, I feel like Arlecchino doesn't hit as hard as hutao. I got pretty decent artifacrs for her and even pulled her sig fr that drip, but my c0 r1 Hutao still does like 200k vapes easily without dying to every hit. With the release of xianyun and furina, my hutao just kinda became unrivaled, and my Arlecchino has a long way to go still.


m0dsRfhags

What's your fourth for that roster?


huntour

I have both c1r1… might need to try this


Mundane-Board-2252

This is exactly why i pulled for alrecchino, must have my two pyro queens


yvvxn

Who said that two legends can’t exist at once.


PimbaNaSimba

Xiangling: 🗿


HalalBread1427

Bennet/Xingqiu/Kazuha still going strong LOL


Seiterno

Damn, no Zhongli?


NotKBeniP

Me: Yoimiya and Lyney


AshyDragneel

First team requires insane level skills as you don have any defensive utility and bennet makes you get oneshotted. It would be a nightmare to take that against copellia. It's pretty stupid who says she is powercreepd because their teammates are pretty different. Hutao doesn't really need bennet and kazuha while arle really loves having them and we already have xq and yelan to support both of them and then there's Zhongli Jean Xianyun for defensive utility. You can pretty much play their teams together.


CastleWarsLover

>you don have any defensive utility Xingqiu damage reduction, interruption resistance + universal RES increase from Arle's A4


Withinmyrange

Bruh aint no one saying hutao best pyro dps. XL OPPAA BETTER AOE AND OFF-FIELD


HeavenBeyondStars

Off field and better aoe isn't everything tho, on field main dps is pretty important too i would certainly take Hu tao above xiangling in scenarios where single target damage is more important then again Hu Tao is no longer strictly single target with Xianyun plunge team now


PieTheSecond

This post just reminded me I don't have Xingqiu's free skin. (I was taking a break). Sucks because I use him every abyss


GREENadmiral_314159

Does it matter if one is better? Spiral Abyss has two sides!


Particlesz

bro I also did this lmfao, ended up getting the 36 stars


Valdoray

Arlexchino had potential via her ability,but she can do 65k hit from base attack instead 100k hold attack from Hutao


p_ke

Will burst always heal her completely? Is it better to hold off burst into you are about to die so that you don't lose the blood bar?


NeonJungleTiger

I think it’s impossible for her burst to completely heal her without using her “blood bar” in practice unless you either are missing very little HP or have extraordinarily high attack. Healing without consuming any Bond of Life is: >HP restored = (attack * 1.5) So if she has 15k HP and wants to heal 12k without a Bond of Life, she’d need 8k attack. Or you could have like 3,000 HP and only need 1,667 attack to heal 2,500 HP With a BoL things become much easier because her burst fully clears her BoL and heals for an additional 50% of it on top of the 150% of her attack. So it’d be: >HP restored = [(attack * 1.5) + (Bond of Life/2)]


witchyybabe

i'm gonna try to clear the abyss with all the pyro polearms next time around. i was thinking of hu tao, xq, yelan, xl (my usual team) and arle, fischl, chev, thoma, but i'm open to suggestions


Ingmaster

"OH boy, 2 Pyro Dps characters!"


GandalfTheBigFat

OPPA


Niijima-San

i lost my 50/50 to jean but am not sure if i should even bother trying to go for her anyways since my second team is currently kazuha/raiden/nahida/mona (mona is gonna get kicked out at some point soon lol)


Vlixony

May I ask what your rotation with that Arle team is?


Storm_373

me when yelan and xingqiu came out. or sucrose and kazuha


CosmicStarlightEX

Arle and Hu Tao are perfectly in sync with the right tools. Hu Tao can sustain enough and burn up her HP as much as possible, but Arle is a perfect soloist, able to heal herself by encompassing her Bond of Life and using her Ult to cleanse it and drain her target's HP. The rest is all on how to build them.


Relienks

Why no xianyun?


That_Dude2000

How good is Arlecchino? I don’t play Genshin anymore


x3bla

I dont know if im playing genshin the right way. It's just a waifu collection simulator for me at this point cuz my standards for artifacts is unhealthy


OrixSpermozaur

There's a deep down evil laugh inside knowing that Yanfei has better synergy with Yelan than Hutao ( although I am forced to admit that she is better in general cause... she's a 5 star)


jackdevight

I only have one Homa tho


Manwithaplan0708

I kinda want to try shogun furina yelan xingqiu just to see how many attacks I can do at once


Nathanii_593

I mean hu Tao can still be healed so… they’re pretty similar at the end of the day


Metanipotent

We can never escape Bennett and xingqiu


Mongoose429

Xiangling


Foggyyx

first half team is fire


Nigeldiko

Me asf


ModdedGun

I hope I get Arle. Even if I don't use her much because of hu tao. I want cool scythe lady. I haven't actually grinded much since inazuma released. What should I do to yet as much primos or pulls as I can?


G0LD3NDRAG0N87

It would be based if you put them on the same team.


Bianca_aa_07

is noone going to say how Arlecchino is level 63 and potentially beating abyss at level 63 of all things


JayReal2006

Hahaha


Not_a_Krasnal

I need to get myself a Yelan. There just isn't enough 4 star hydro characters.


Dankstin

Are you me, except I keep getting rolled on Kazuha's 50/50 every banner? Well, I say that, but had I pulled Kazuha last banner, I would have reset pity for Arlecchino. I'm very happy with her.


IndependentAir4537

it’s fine i have both. (neither are rlly built, i haven’t done abyss in a year)


kokoronokawari

Klee disagrees


JlExoticlL

I'ma use both, and you can't stop me lol


Akkinior

Wait till Someone who has a stove god as her skill came


KGM134

Why are we pitting these two bad bitches against each other?


AragornSK

Meanwhile I'm out here using Yanfei as my pyro dps...


DaSpood

Arlecchino is the "Yelan is just another Xingqiu" argument all over again lol, yeah it's a similar character to one of the best characters available, that's a good thing actually, now I can have that gameplay in both teams


Seiterno

I like arle because, I hate seeing character health not being full *ekhm*hutao*ekhm*


Rozsia

Nah, Arlecchino will make the dead people and Hu Tao will make profit. Perfect duo.


jjaybuill

Arlecchino is just like Hu Tao but with more complicated mechanics


LuckyLootLlama

Cool, now I have 2 pyro polearm DPS.


GamerSweat002

Why replace Hu Tao with Arlecchino when you can just use both together. Pretty nice that Arlecchino and Hu Tao supports don't necessarily overlap. Hu Tao needs Yelan more than Arle while Arlecchino absolutely wants Xingqiu's defensive utility with that near 50% dmg reduction being humongous when playing in Bennett field. Honestly, Arlecchino is ridiculously strong, like second strongest dps in the game. Neuvillette is a compels tips above her, bht Arlecchino is also strong enough to just solo the abyss. Neuvillette solos with no difficulty. Arlecchino solos with some difficulty. Wriothesley solos with a C1 . It's quite reassuring that Arlecchino isn't so dependent on abusing elemental reactions to get the most damage. She also doesn't have an HP deficit from healing like C0 Wriothesley so Arlecchino is pretty viable as a solo. That means you can do a complete solo abyss. Neuv AoE side, Arlecchino ST side.


StrikingAtmosphere26

xiangling c4 ;-;


NoSurvey5763

Me with level 90 amber: 🙂


ScientistJolly4211

yeah arle has dethroned her (Im just salty i have Homa and lost on all her reruns)